Chalkhills Digest Volume 9, Issue 7
Date: Wednesday, 5 February 2003
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 9, Number 7
Wednesday, 5 February 2003
Topics:
The V of V
dave & aimee...w/ andy
Rehearsing the apocalypse
The Dear God debate
Re: A New Trick
licensing, wes' website, offspring
Mike Myers appears to like "The Big Express"
Pieces Parts
Vid Aid 2003
Tunes help you breathe more easily.
Furry Warmholes: Praise Colin!
Put Up Yer Dukes Findings
Andy's prescience
Son Of, The Bride of, The Return of Dom
Yeah Its me again
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:26:36 -0800
From: Matthew Weber <mweber@library.berkeley.edu>
Subject: The V of V
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030130161859.00a488a0@library.berkeley.edu>
Harrison writes:
>But here's the Beauty Part: The song is primarily in B major, although it
>makes feints in the directions of both E major and F# major. The chord under
>"I don't want to let love spoil the day again" is C# minor (a minor chord
>built on the second degree of the scale, not at all an unusual choice). But
>under "But it may again" -- remember, the only line the song that's
>optimistic -- he goes to a C# *major* chord, which puts the song suddenly and
>briefly into the key of F# major.
Basically what he's done is to use the V of V--it's not a modulation, since
it's so brief. Music theorists refer to this as "tonicization". All over
the place in common-practice music; hymns are full of them, as are Bach,
Mozart, and even Wagner. Makes the eventual resolution to the I even
stronger, once you get there.
Mike writes
>I have nothing to do with Mod Lang except to be a happy customer.
Mod Lang is indeed a fine store; I've been an irregular customer of theirs
in an over-the-counter way for about 6.5 years now. I'd go more
frequently, except Amoeba is in the same town, and closer to my home. :)
Matthew Weber
Curatorial Assistant
Music Library
University of California, Berkeley
The king of terrors.
The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Job_, chapter
18, verse 14
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:44:59 -0500 From: "Chris Rees" <boilerman@provide.net> Subject: dave & aimee...w/ andy Message-ID: <008901c2c8c1$fca4d760$4b5156d8@cr> hey good chalkheads....any one have the exact date/venue info for the aimee mann (pardom me spelling) gig that andy sat in and sang on 'collideascope'? any tape/cd traders here that may have this gig? ive stumbled onto a taper in NYC who may have recorded it....and his aimee DAT master list is almost as long as my left arm. id love to share this gig if i can find it. far from running low on soul coal cr milan mi www.potholemusic.net ok...any more barry tour news??????
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:59:12 -0600 From: Chris Vreeland <CVREELAND@austin.rr.com> Subject: Rehearsing the apocalypse Message-ID: <a05210200ba5f845ca3f9@[24.175.32.185]> Had a sombre moment at rehearsal the other night... We'd got through "This world Over" once and a half, when we collectively realized the ironic coincidence of the fact that at that very moment, in Washington, GWB was intoning that America was having war "forced upon us..." It sure made the song seem real and new again when we ran back through it. Too many of Andy's anti-war songs are suddenly WAY too appropriate all over again. Chris "I'm not in any mood for a damn nickname" Vreeland ----- On a lighter note: >Harrison "Gap ad?" Sherwood ruminates: > >It amazes and depresses me a bit that there aren't stadiums full of people >waving soccer scarves and howling "I Don't Want to Be Here." Not to worry, there's been an entire stadium full of people people doing just that inside my head since the first time I heard it. Though occasionally, they have to make room for the other stadium full of people chanting "Everything." It's incredible that Andy is able to toss aside as substandard two of the best songs of the entire decade. Peace.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:58:18 -0500
From: "Patrick Adamek" <padamek@neo.rr.com>
Subject: The Dear God debate
Message-ID: <001001c2c8cc$3a89fb00$c7ef5d18@neo.rr.com>
Hi Kidz,
The following link will bring you to the lengthy debate over the
inclusion of the lyrics to "Dear God" in the family newsletter of which I
serve as editor. There are approximately 38 pages of material if you were
to print it out on regular paper, so be prepared for quite an undertaking!
The song will play automatically when you open the site.....
http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~adamek/DearGod.html
Also: I just spent about an hour on WesLONG's website
http://www.optimismsflames.com That is quite simply one of the most
professional looking web sites that I have seen. Great job!
I have been reading about half of the comments on Fuzzy Warbles. Here
are my $0.02: I thought that they are fantastic and I am so jazzed to have
two more discs of Andy's music. I did not even consider the cost being too
high (can you put a price on music that you love?). I was glad to purchase
them from the XTC website (and directly support XTC!) and Andy's autograph
made it that much sweeter!
All for now Patrick Adamek, Mansfield, Ohio US
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:28:39 -0500 From: "Calvin Declan" <zip_up@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: A New Trick Message-ID: <OE49sFFsAitVGeSJIEo00001ac5@hotmail.com> >Now, this isn't a new trick or anything. The Beatles did it a million times, >as did countless composers before them. But to arrange the chords and lyrics >in such a way that the only optimistic line in the whole song is harmonized >with a quick modulation from minor to major (that is, from "sad" to "happy" >chords) -- that is, in anyone's book, pretty damned deft. Yes, it is a excellent strategy in composition, Sherwood. It was used extensively in the Baroqe period, it is known as "text painting," that is, structuring the music in such a way that it reflects the text. Andy does this quite well. Good observation, friend. Calvin Declan
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:32:42 +0100 (CET) From: rappard@dds.nl Subject: licensing, wes' website, offspring Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43L0.0301310921350.15675-100000@shell.dds.nl> Chalkers! Apart from Harrison's usual overly pompous verbose self-important ramblings the last digest contained many interesting snippets: ==== WTDK@aol.com: I'm rather surprised that Andy and Colin haven't licensed all the radio programs that have appeared on bootleg and released them. With the improved sound, liner notes, etc., I'm sure that most fans would be willing to pony up the additional $$ (then again, based on some of the complaints about the cost of Fuzzy I could be wrong). ---- Well, it's a pain in the *** to arrange all that - I'm sure Andy and Colin have had their fill of legal troubles after the seven-year Virgin itch. I remember Dave Pearce (Flying Saucer Attack) wanting to compile BBC sessions, 7"s and compilation tracks, but saying he lacked the energy to pursue it and tie all the different licensing rights together. Still, one can dream - especially the some of the '89 acoustic radio shows would be worth bringing out. ==== Wes Long posted something or other, which made me realize I haven't seen anyone (or perhaps I missed it) gushing praise for www.optimismsflames.com - a gorgeous (although slightly heavy) website full of information. ==== Dom Lawson <britishsteel666@yahoo.co.uk>: Anyway...first things first...I don't know if anyone gives a toss, but the lovely Deborah and myself will become parents for the first time this summer. I promise you all that I will be singing XTC songs in a vague and tuneless manner at the poor mite until full brainwashing has been achieved. Not to mention the Black Sabbath back catalogue... ---- Congratulations! And you're forgetting the Swans - or were they next on your list?:) Regards, Martin http://www.rappard.dds.nl http://www.downtothewell.com
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:40:03 -0500 From: "Michael D. Myers" <mmyers@telcordia.com> Subject: Mike Myers appears to like "The Big Express" Message-ID: <OFD1C0A57C.84218A8E-ON85256CBF.0055603E@cc.telcordia.com> Chalksters and Chalkettes; Jefferson Ogata recently declared, in a note entitled: Mike Myers appears to like "The Big Express" >I was just watching James Lipton's "Inside The Actor's Studio", with >guest Mike Myers. Myers started talking about a very difficult period >in his career, and said it was "like, Jane, get me off this crazy >thing -- like train running low on soul coal." Well, of course I like The Big Express!! It's one of the boys' best releases. Just listened to it the other day, in fact. Harrumph! Mike Myers Oh, you meant THAT Mike Myers.............
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:24:27 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Boyle <andybgator@yahoo.com> Subject: Pieces Parts Message-ID: <20030131162427.28859.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Harrison responded: >I believe Andy is this sort of songwriter as well, >and Marie-Helene's >finding a snippet of "Holly" in the middle of "Red >Rocking Horse" is a very good example of it. Other >examples that I can dredge up: "Blue Beret" contains >large swatches of "That Wave"; "Goodbye Humanosaurus" >has a note-perfect version of the turnaround from >"Then She Appeared." (I'm sure there are >more...) The one that sticks out easily for me is the part in "Dear Mrs. Barnam" that was ripped off for "The Man Who Murdered Love". Still waiting for help as to what song from the 70s the chorus intro to "I Don't Want to Be Here" triggers in me. Listen to the line "And I don't want to find myself this way again" and see if it connects with you. The change in tune always tickles the back of my brain like I was always hearing it on early 70s (American) radio. Andy Boyle Orlando, FL Anyone?
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Long <optimismsflames@yahoo.com> Subject: Vid Aid 2003 Message-ID: <20030201013548.91909.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com> Short n Sweet - If you have the ability to make quality still images from US video - and you'd be willing to do so in exchange for nearly *every* promotional video XTC made... please contact me. wesLONG optimismsflames@yahoo.com http://www.optimismsflames.com
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:39:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Gillespie <marsilies@yahoo.com> Subject: Tunes help you breathe more easily. Message-ID: <20030201013915.36782.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> Danny Phipps asked about info for the possible new XTC album. 'Tunes help you breathe more easily' is the 'working title' of XTC's next studio album that has been assigned by various publications. The name arose from a post regarding the new album on XTC's site: http://www.xtcidearecords.co.uk/news/archive_stories.php?newsid=34 'Tunes help you breathe more easily' is simply the header for that news item. As far as a release schedule, XTC is working on it, so it might come out late 2003, but no release date has been set.
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:12:23 -0500 (EST) From: "radiosinmotion@iwon.com" <radiosinmotion@iwon.com> Subject: Furry Warmholes: Praise Colin! Message-ID: <20030201221223.943B327C77@email.iwon.com> Colin is a smart man to keep his hands off of the Fuzzy Warbles collection. I know I will end up a hated member of this list for my dissension; but the 2 CD's are some of the worst material to actually be sold to fans. First, I don't care about stuff like the song MOGO, which was just a complete waste of space. Second, the CD's are only 60 minutes each. You mean they couldn't have squeezed out 74 minutes after charging $20 something US dollars for these CD's? The ONLY song I felt was worth any money is "I don't want to be here." The rest of the songs are fine as downloaded or traded demos. I don't even believe Andy should be making money off these; it's really depressing how bad these are. I expect more from a band that I consider to be one of the greatest bands of the last century. Please, don't get me wrong. I love Andy and everything XTC has done, but I feel ripped off on this one. I mean, seriously, I bought every record and cassette. I then bought every CD. I then bought every CD with bonus tracks. Finally, I bought all remastered CD's. I have spent a great deal of money on XTC and have always supported them since I have been an admirer of their music; but this is bad. If this were released as a 6-CD box set or something for a reasonable price; then I would have no complaints, but these CD's are not worth any more than a few dollars. I am a completist and usually make sure to hunt down everything from my favorite bands like Boingo, XTC, Robyn Hitchcock, TMBG, Magazine, Devo, Camper Van Beethoven, etc. I spend a great deal of money on these artists and I never bootleg their material and I only buy or trade bootleg material if it is rare and unavailble. If I had known how bad these CD's were, I would not have spent my money on them; even at the expense of getting copies from friends which is something I never do. Anyway, that's all. Bring the flames...
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:53:33 -0600 From: "eriC draveS" <zoom98@mindspring.com> Subject: Put Up Yer Dukes Findings Message-ID: <000001c2cc01$eafc44b0$436256d1@XLZOOM> Last time I wrote, you may remember my mentioning Violet Tengberg's painting that reminds one of the Wasp Star cover art. This time, I found something else. From an old Art in America magazine, circa 1970 or later, in an article entitled "New Talent - The Computer": "Right: Frames from COLLIDEOSCOPE, the computer-generated movie programmed and produced by S. VanDerBeek, assisted by K. Knowlton and C. Bosche, in 1966." It goes on to describe the rather dull black and white photos of a computer screen used in the movie. At least now we know where the Dukes got that title from. :) Future developments as Fotomat warrants. eriC draveS "'Cause a sharp Sputnik has given me a cosmic flat tyre."
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 04:17:46 +0000 From: "Paul Culnane" <paulculnane@hotmail.com> Subject: Andy's prescience Message-ID: <F171aJbqJGNzscE8Npq00012a37@hotmail.com> Here comes President Kill again. Broadcasting from his killing den. Folks, this was chosen (possibly on purpose) by John Relph, as the regular lyric quote at the beginning of the Chalkhills bulletin. How eerie! I recall that John put up a "splash page" after Sept 11, showing the lyrics to another Partridge song, "Terrorism". The lyrics fit in a very discomforting fashion, in both circumstances. My question is, is Andy Partridge a latter-day Nostrodamus? Check out this quote from a BBC radio interview with AP's alter-ego, Sir John Johns, recorded well before recent events, making this statement equally spooky and prescient: Interviewer: "How do you see music changing in the future?" Sir John Johns: "Who can say, I mean, er, psychedelic music might last forever and a day, or it could just dry up and blow away tomorrow. But I think I've seen the future, I think I know which way the Dukes are gonna go. A friend of mine played me a record by a bloke who's so phenomenally talented, and he's got such a futuristic image. I just know he's gonna be an enormous influence on the kids when they hear him! Umm, he's called Glitter, Gary Glitter". Tee hee. For me at least, paedophilia is abhorrent. But a double-drummer line-up can be a gorgeous thing. And one of Gary's drummers was Pete Phipps, who of course, later thumped the tubs for XTC! Oh, and war in any form is also abhorrent. Stop it, "President Kill"!!! Paul "my hard-drive is clean" Culnane
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:41:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: Son Of, The Bride of, The Return of Dom Message-ID: <20030205014106.9767.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> From: Dom Lawson <britishsteel666@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Demon Seed Great googly moogly Congrats Dom, heres hoping Deborah has an easy time of it and the fella comes out with two arms, two legs, two horns, and a tail! Oh thats the front! Wow he is a chip off the ol magma.! Hardeharhar Anyhoots You are damn right In Abstetia is an AWESOME lp. And once again just like Lightbulb Sun Porcupine Tree's previous LP the string arrangements are again perfomed by...Dave Gregory formerly of some band called XTC. And since SW produced those Opeth LPs I am all over em. I checked Opeth at Allmusic.com and it turns out that these guys have chops. I'm there thanks man. Brazilain Psychedelics though? Come on really? While we are on the subject Alice I mightily suggest all of you check No-Man the other band of Steven Wilson of Porc Tree fame. Amazing stuff, I'd start with Flowermouth. And Deb Brown why have you not written back to me about that Sampler I made for ya that was Insanely good and filled with said bands? Hmmmmmmmmm Are you afraid to admit to liking Prog? Come into the light darling it is OK. Ok now on to other responses. WTDK@aol.com Would like ol DG to release a solo Lp (preferably of covers cause you know there is no need to pay the songwriting publishing or anything), Tour and play XTC stuff, and release a Live CD of it. Basically my advice to you is to "get off the crack" just step away from the pipe really. Barring that how about if you go BUY The H band album "Live Spirit:Live Body" which is a Double Live Lp released this year. Dave is on guitar on nearly all of the tracks and they do a nifty (if slightly unrehearsed) version of "The Loving" by Dave's old band maybe youv'e heard of them here on this list, XTC. And no Colin doesn't sit in but I ain't a genie you know.Available now from www.racketrecords.com which also sells some stuff by H's other band, maybe you've heard of them cause they are PROG and they rawk in a strictly Internet self marketing kinda way, Yes thats right Beatrice, Marillion. And another thing WTDK@aol.com would like the boys to do is License all of their old Radio shows and sell them as CDs. While this is a noble suggestion, basically there is no way they can afford to do so. If had that kind of money they should be buying their back catalog from Virgin. So I have to ask you, are aware that XTC did not make money until 1995 or so? How would you feel if you worked for somebody for 17 years and you never got paid until right at the end? Hell Dave and Colin collected rental cars for a while just to make ends meet. They ain't no fancy rock stars Ya know? And Harrison thanks for that Post, stuff like that is why I continue to read chalk. Great stuff. Cheers all I'm off with a final Harumph for the night. Mole
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:55:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: Yeah Its me again Message-ID: <20030205015556.11233.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> Strickly for trainspotters... Its all well and good for those of you who caught the Feb issue of Mojo with the blurb about Ol AP. But The Dukes of Stratosphear were given a nod in the Jan issue. Article about bands using pseudonyms. Huge Art of the 25 O'clock cover and a blurb about the LP. Night Alice Mole I'm the bad thoughts inside your head, and you can't catch me......
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