Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 44
Date: Thursday, 16 March 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 44
Thursday, 16 March 2000
Today's Topics:
Almost Void Of XTC Content
Bloody Vikings!
XTC on Video
Stale old Pepper & what's overrated?
RE: no clever subject name
Wasp this
"WASP" star
I like W.A.S.P. Star/Tour Fantasies
Wasp Star Liner
Re: Wasp vs. All Comers
Shameless Self-Promotion...
Earlier Beatles - influenced XTC songs
Re: Baby Names
The locust didn't stand a chance...
Carry On
Baz Andrews
VH1
ok maybe i got it right and TMBG in Playboy
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Mar 00 14:38:14 EST From: Rick Mealey <rick.mealey@usa.net> Subject: Almost Void Of XTC Content Message-ID: <20000315193814.4073.qmail@nw128.netaddress.usa.net> > >Only heard a bit of new Steely Dan. It is pretty damn good. Although, it > >must be noted that the first four Dan albums are still by far, the best > >albums in their catalogue. Can't Buy a Thrill, Countdown to Ecstasy, > Pretzel > >Logic, Katy Lied. Oh, and I do not like Gaucho at all... > > Ralph - I agree with your thoughts on the new record, but surely you > accidentally omitted Aja from your list of Steely Dan greats. To my ears, > it's Fagen and Becker's best. I agree that Aja was a watershed for Steely Dan. But the original post did refer to *the first four* SD albums, which are as the original author stated: Can't Buy A Thrill, Countdown to Ecstasy, Pretzel Logic, and Katy Lied. Aja was actually SD's sixth album (The Royal Scam was fifth). Oh, and I also do not like Gaucho at all.... But 2vN has its talons in me even as we speak. Off on the Kevin Gilbert tangent, haven't heard anybody else talk about this, so I have to ask. Who else here has heard Toy Matinee? This one album, which he wrote with producer Pat Leonard, was incredible. I'm told KG also contributed a track to a Gentle Giant tribute (actually an original, produced and arranged in the *style* of GG), but I cannot confirm or deny this. Guess I need to remember why I'm here and say something about XTC, don't I? Let's see... um, it wouldn't surprise me to find that the album makes it to the shelves with the title Wasp Star intact, given AP's flirtation with insect-related titles (Beeswax and Across This Antheap come to mind, but are there others I'm forgetting?). I presume this to be an AP issue, which is always dangerous. Especially here. I'll shut up now. Right, cheers, thanks a lot-- Rick
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:40:05 -0000 From: "Adrian Ransome" <ade@ruhruh.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Bloody Vikings! Message-ID: <001c01bf8ebe$a653bf60$b6927ed4@atidy> Oops! I suppose I should have read the What's New section before I asked about the spam. Sorry! Sorry about this apology, too. I'm going now bye! Ade p.s. I know I've just proved myself a little slow, but these little XTC quotes at the top of the digest, they're not just random are they? p.p.s. That's a rhetorical question BTW. p.p.p.s. Sorry again. Bye!
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:29:27 -0000 From: "Adrian Ransome" <ade@ruhruh.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: XTC on Video Message-ID: <001601bf8ebd$402b35c0$b6927ed4@atidy> Just a note to let you know that there's a new video about to be released called something like "The Best Punk Tracks Ever" which features live performances from all your favourite punk bands of the punk era plus -strangely enough- an appearance by punky old XTC . When I get more detailed information I will pass it on. This William Burroughs business has orgone too far in my opinion. But I must add that the orgone accumulator is mentioned in Jack Kerouac's On The Road (the sequel to his muchly under-appreciated debut On The Buses- 'I 'ate you kerouac!') I know this not because I'm an educated literary-type swot, but because I'm wading through it one paragraph at a time at the moment and I'm currently stuck on this particularly difficult orgone paragraph. Anybody else been spammed after posting here or is it just me? I notice all the email addresses are censored on the archives now, is that why? Ade "I'm a nihilist, not a stylist" Ransome
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:11:39 -0800 From: Ed Kedzierski <ed.kedzierski@blvdmedia.com> Subject: Stale old Pepper & what's overrated? Message-ID: <08B5DDC2BABCD311BFC6005004A884B013B553@mgcservices.com> I realize that any sort of attempt to revive the hoary old Pepper thread might not be too welcome, but I found something in an old digest that I think (hope) adds at least a little weight to the argument that calling a particular album "artist x's Sgt. Pepper" does not necessarily mean accusing the artist(s) involved of being Beatle soundalikes. Way back in 5-166, Tyler Hewitt contributed: Andy Partridge, from an interview in Contrast Magazine, Spring 1990: "I thought, at one point in my philosophy, that the Residents were as big as the Beatles. I thought 'Duck Stab/Buster and Glen' was like their Sgt. Pepper. Wonderful stuff." Obviously, he's not saying that the Residents sound like the Beatles (for that matter, by "as big as" he can't mean "as popular" or "as rich", just "as important and/or influential"), and he's not saying that the albums cited sound like Sgt Pepper in any surface way (I only have Duck Stab on EP, haven't heard Buster and Glen, but I think it's a pretty safe bet...). I realize that I'm probably stating the obvious to some of you, but every time someone uses "Sgt. Pepper" as a convenient shorthand for "Important or Significant Album in Artist's Career", the whole thing veers off into the tired old "Sounding Like the Beatles: Yes, No or Fuck Off?" debate. Whether you think that Sgt. Pepper is a masterpiece, Beatles best album or worst, or whether you hate it outright is irrelevant to using it as a reference in this way. Another thing, back in the old "My Sgt. Pepper" thread, someone said that they though that Sgt Pepper was "the most overrated album of all time". This may have been true the first few years after it's release, but by the late 70s (at the very latest) it was pretty much acknowledged that it wasn't their best (usually Rubber Soul, Revolver or occasionally the White Album tend to be in the running) and was quite a bit fluffier than anyone at the time wanted to admit. Sgt. Pepper was actually taken down a peg several times, and this well before punk came along to rattle the whole foundation. By now, I really think its status has more or less stabilized; nobody thinks it's the greatest thing ever, or believes that they can attain enlightenment by doing acid and listening to it in the dark, but its significance has to be acknowledged, whether by being such an "event album" at the time, or by making the mass audience aware of impressive production (how many people, when hearing that Brian Wilson produced his own records, really had any idea what was being talked about? I think that Pepper really made a lot of people aware of what the hell production was for the first time, Brian Wilson, Buddy Holly and Phil Spector notwithstanding). No, my nominee for "Most Overrated Album of All Time" has got to be... Exile on Main Street. Any other nominees? Ed K. PS: You have to admit, it's a better candidate for being trimmed down to a single album than either the White Album (which George Martin suggested but was overrruled by the band) or English Settlement (which we all know about).
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:50:56 -0800
From: Ed Kedzierski <ed.kedzierski@blvdmedia.com>
Subject: RE: no clever subject name
Message-ID: <08B5DDC2BABCD311BFC6005004A884B013B554@mgcservices.com>
Back in 6-41, Tyler Hewitt said:
"Wasn't Dark Side of the Moon on Billboard's top 100 chart for 10 years
or something? Seems odd to me that a record that
existed mainly as a soundrack to teenage pot parites
in the '70's could chart for so long..."
Odd? Considering that each year a new generation of teenage potheads would
have to get at least one copy per group of friends (if not every
individual), and accounting for replacement copies when the album would get
beer, bongwater or candles spilled on it, not to mention the thing just
getting the grooves worn right through (cancelling out the "big brother
hand-me-down" effect), it makes just as much sense as the Eagles hits album
being bought year after year by average Joes and Janes looking for something
safe and familiar...
(totally loathe the Eagles myself though... Even if I have a kind of soft
spot for "the Long Run", just because I got it for Christmas the year it
came out; don't get me wrong, I hate it, but it's a whistful, nostalgic GOOD
kind of hate: "Hey! I remember this album! God, it sucked... {sniffle...
little smile.. sigh}")
You were spot on about the anatomical location of most peoples' musical
taste centre, though.
I suppose someone's already got dibs on "Be XTCing You",
Ed K.
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:47:18 EST From: OMBEAN1@aol.com Subject: Wasp this Message-ID: <74.2047bc8.26018916@aol.com> Hillo, Whats all this talk that "wasp' is a racial term? Do you really think thats what Andy meant? Out here in the farmlands of Pennsylvania, a wasp is the bastard insect that stings my ass at least twice a year. I havent used that word to mean anything else. Was anybody really offended at "White Music"? Hey Wes, Youve been pretty goddamn funny lately. Keep up the good work. Spraying my buds (and getting stung) Roger
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:46:06 PST From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com> Subject: "WASP" star Message-ID: <20000316004606.27768.qmail@hotmail.com> Funnily enough, the thing that immediately popped into my mind when I heard the title "Wasp Star" was that wonderful old 1980s album "WASP" by none other than David's little brother, Shaun Cassidy. If you don't know it, it's worth checking out and it is, for Toddzilla fans, a bit of a treat, since it's produced by Todd Rundgren and is basically Todd/Utopia, with Shaun on lead vocals. It's also an interesting mix of stuff - some specially-written Todd/Utopia/Cassidy songs, and some truly fabulicious covers including a stonking power-pop version of The Who's "So Sad About Us" which is as good as anything Todd ever did, a Talking Heads song I cant remember the name of, and a rather stupendous, ultra-slow, heavy-metal cover of The Animals "It's My Life" (with Shaun putting in a really great vocal BTW). I was totally amazed when I first heard it and thought it really deserved a lot more recognition than it got. (If anyone can get this for me on CD, I will make it worth your while ... somehow!) Dunks
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:11:15 -0800 From: owlhiss@ix.netcom.com Subject: I like W.A.S.P. Star/Tour Fantasies Message-ID: <38D050D3.3B6A@ix.netcom.com> I like the changing of the title to Wasp Star. The album cover could be one of the most original things I'll ever see. Calling it AV2 is just going to confuse people more, since it wasn't released at the same time. Of course, by my email address and the fact that I'm going to see WASP here in Madison, Wi on the 19th shouldn't change your thoughts much :) I think the title has muti-meanings. A Wasp Star could be Venus, as AV1 was the apple that came before venus. And the music of XTC is alot like the habits of a wasp. Although, I can't say I like wasps too much, they scare the shit out of me sometimes. XTC should do a tour. I mean, _huge_ production - a stage set up that matches Powerslave, an 8-piece band (string quartet , etc), fancy light show, costume changes, choreography - imagine Andy coming out in a skeleton suit hopping around the stage during Poor Skeleton Steps Out. David Gregory would make his peace with Andy and hop along for the ride if any sort of thing would happen... ok ok, this is silly. -brian
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:59:05 +0100 From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl> Subject: Wasp Star Liner Message-ID: <20000315235538.2C4B7A6CE6@mail.knoware.nl> > Someone mentioned earlier that this song was not going to be on Wasp > Star. Can anyone confirm or deny? all i know is based on hearsay, rumours, gossip and guesswork But i do know that... > Is there an official song listing for the album? ... nothing's final until the album is in the shops And that includes the title & sleeve design yours in xtc, Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse www.come.to/xtc
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:12:25 -0500 From: "Andisheh Nouraee" <mabrey@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Wasp vs. All Comers Message-ID: <001701bf8ed3$ee44e780$019f56d1@susanpav> In Chalkhills 6-43, pancho artecona said >mainly because it will alienate your casual white anglo-saxon buyer >by the title, since WASP does have negative connotations in >the US. Its sort of like Wop Star, Kyke Star or Spick >Star or whatever you choose. I respectfully disagree with you. Unlike "wop" "kyke" and "spick", the common usage of the word wasp is not a slur. Most people think of insects when they hear or read the word wasp. Only in context does wasp mean white anglo saxon protestant. Even then, it's not nearly as derogatory as the others that you mentioned. Besides, the white anglo saxon protestants are too busy tending to their financial portfolios or sailing their yachts to worry about pop music:) Sincerely, Andy (A beige atheist) www.andy2000.org Putting the "racy" back in democracy.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:13:13 -0800
From: "Diamond" <arnos@nantucket.net>
Subject: Shameless Self-Promotion...
Message-ID: <200003160315.WAA20104@nantucket.net>
Okay, I debated whether or not to waste your precious wasp-star arguing time
with this post, but, what the hey. I want to let everyone know that my band
French Electric has an album available at MP3.com for purchase, full of 11
songs about, among other things, Falling out of love, The end of the world,
and getting a song stuck in your head for the rest of your life. That last
one might need a tad more explaining, but if you're curious, you might want
to step on over to my French Electric website www.mp3.com/frenchelectric and
listen to a few songs, and, if you like it, and you want to get rid of some
pesky money weighing your pockets down, buy a copy. Whether you like my
music or not, let me know your honest opinion. That's the point of putting
it on the 'net, getting feedback. So let me know what you think. Personally,
I think we sound pretty good for a couple of 16 year olds secluded on an
island in the middle of the atlantic ocean... let me know what you think...
And, yes, Wasp Star did start me thinking about Star Park... I wonder if
they'll ever use that name for anything in the future... it's really not
that bad of a name for an album or song or something. I've been thinking of
having my band do a cover of that song, only more new wave-y, and less
punk-y. I think it would sound all right.
I really think people should stop complaining about what people post on this
thing. Usually, the majority of the people are interested or at least
unbothered by these threads, or else they wouldn't be posted as much. Or
something. I don't know.
In Conclusion, I'm RIght, You're Wrong, and This has been the Kevin Diamond
Show
Kevin "In The Limelight" Diamond
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/79/the_french_electric_all-st.html
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/84/bass-cleff.html
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/85/starving_artists.html
--
"The universe does not have laws, it has habits, and habits can be broken."
-Tom Robbins
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:09:32 -0500
From: Frank Agnello <agnello@inx.net>
Subject: Earlier Beatles - influenced XTC songs
Message-ID: <38D05E7C.F824AC95@inx.net>
Hello Chalksters:
To those who speculated on whether "No Language in Our Lungs"
was
the first XTC song where a Beatles influence cropped up, I offer two
earlier
examples: 1) "This is Pop" - The first chord is obviously influenced
by "A Hard Day's Night " (Which, I guess makes "Rocket from a Bottle"'s
last chord influenced by "This is Pop");
2) "When You're Near Me I Have Difficulty" - The
opening guitar line sounds like a recomposition of the melody to the
verse of "Please Please Me."
I'm sure there's more, but those two came immediately to
mind... .
Cheers,
F.A.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:47:26 -0500 From: Dorothy Spirito <spiritod@techmail.gdc.com> Subject: Re: Baby Names Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.10003160943330.1114-100000@esun2028> Constance. If I'd had a boy instead, it might've been Variables. <g> --Dorothy. Wes Hanks proposed: >let's try this little excercise...every parent on the list can post the >names they decided to give their kids and then everyone on the list is >free to criticize, over-analyze and engage in all forms of Monday-morning >quarterbacking regarding your choice of names.
------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2000 05:23:41 -0800 From: unna@worldmailer.com Subject: The locust didn't stand a chance... Message-ID: <20000316132341.12768.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Yikes! Sorry, Wes, about dissing Las Vegas! Believe me, Baltimore is no maiden's petticoat either. Re: Wasp Star, I think it's interesting. Makes me think of GD's Dark Star but animated. Wasp's are gorgeous, severely and dangerously beautiful. Plus they can scare and hurt you. Neat! One time I saw a wasp attacking a locust. Whew! Talk about savage! It crawled back and forth over the locust's body, stinging about once per second. Hard-core, baby, brutal! Could the Wasp Star be the sun the Wasp Planet circles? -Laura
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:04:01 -0600
From: "Michael Versaci" <stormymonday@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Carry On
Message-ID: <000001bf8f69$a0dab8d0$f5081e26@mtwcorp.com>
Folxtc,
A few weeks ago, I was fortunate enough to be given 6th row seats to the
local CSN&Y concert here in Atlanta. My wife and I firmed-up the babysitter
plans and looked forward to the show. I have always loved the first two
albums, "Crosby Stills & Nash" and "Deja Vu." There is magic in those
harmonies.
I can't really explain it, but The Beatles, The Beach Boys and Crosby Stills
& Nash (and Young) have a quality to their vocal harmonies that goes beyond
the "right" notes and "good" voices. Their vocal harmonies have a synergy
that cannot be contrived nor duplicated. This was evident when some
entrepreneurs put together the Broadway show "Beatlemania" that was so
popular in the 70's. The producers auditioned singers who could imitate the
Beatles, and found them. And yet, when they sang the Beatles' songs
together, recreating the vocal parts note for note, it was not the same. It
sounded hollow. The magic was nowhere to be found.
The night of the show arrived, and my wife and I were tired. It was the
end of a workday and we had been up since 5:30 A.M. Additionally, we had
seen a portion of the "Storytellers" that featured the band, and they had
sounded "off." We considered skipping the show, but then rationality took
over and we were in the car headed toward the city, listening to XTC belting
out "Extrovert" from one of my "car tapes" and thinking, "this is going to
be fun..."
We arrived at the show early, bought two beers, and found the way to our
seats. The stage was set up like a living room with table lamps,
potted-plants and stools. My wife and I sat chatting about this and that,
sipping our beers patiently.
The lights finally dimmed, and there was the usual roar of anticipation from
the band's legion of 40 and 50 year-old fans comprised of business
professionals, tattooed laborers, Atlanta night-life impresarios, and
grayed, out-of-shape hippies still stoned and saying things like "What's
happening?" and "Yeah, man!" The band picked up their instruments and
Steven Stills (on an electric guitar) strummed the signature opening chords
from a familiar song. The band kicked in and tore up the stage with a
blistering electrified version of "Carry On." Four living legends, (six,
when you count the seminal R&B rhythm section of Donald "Duck" Dunn and Jim
Keltner,) playing some serious rock & roll, and absolutely loving it. Old
David Crosby looking like a cross between Ben Franklin and Santa Claus
unabashedly grinning a grin that said, "Shee-it! I am so lucky to be
alive!" Graham Nash, now very gray but still fit, putting his shimmering
high harmony on top of the song like he was back in 1970. Stephen Stills, a
bit weathered and looking heavier than we remember, but singing and playing
with a commitment that was striking. And of course, Neil Young being Neil
Young. It was one of the most incredible moments that I have witnessed at a
concert in my 20+ years of attending them.
In my classic-rock fatigued musical vocabulary, Neil Young's "Southern Man"
had become "Happy Birthday." I had heard it too many times. "Carry On" had
ended, and Graham Nash said "Atlanta! How are you tonight?", and in that
fraction of a second that preceded the crowd's inevitable enthusiastic
response, Neil Young began to hack his way through the intro of "Southern
Man." I was suddenly reminded of a time when young artists were expressing
their justified outrage at the mess that they were about to inherit from
their parents. Not that any preceding generation couldn't lay claim to that
exact perspective. The difference was, mass communication had come of age
and now the message was being broadcasted constantly to everyone. The song
was delivered with an urgency that surprised me and reawakened my
appreciation for the song. In that moment I realized (as I frequently have
in the past!) that the difference between "good" and "great" is not limited
to the difference in amount of talent alone. "Great" has an honesty and a
conviction coupled with creative insight. This was "great" rock and roll.
The band ran through the mix of CSN&Y classics, ("Ohio" brought tears to my
eyes, especially the part where they sang "What if you knew her and found
her dead on the ground...") solo songs, (Neil Young's "Cinnamon Girl" was a
high point for me; the band rocked it and I held my wife's hand while she
became the "Cinnamon Girl" for a few minutes,) and some new songs that were
well received by the audience. The show ended, and we drove home feeling
young and optimistic.
I'm certain that if I heard a recording of the show, I could identify some
mistakes, especially in the complex harmonies, but that isn't the point.
There was a connection between artist and audience that cannot be achieved
while listening to a recording. I was lucky enough to see XTC in a small
club in New York City way back in 1981. The show was fantastic. I wish that
Andy Partridge would realize that they are not too old to go on the road. I
wish that he could see that playing imperfect but honest live renditions of
his pristine recordings would not diminish our appreciation of his art.
Indeed, it would make all of us very happy to see him make peace with the
great Dave Gregory, hire a drummer and a multi-instrumentalist and take XTC
out on the road.
It would be glorious.
Michael Versaci
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:33:41 -0000 From: "Will" <squidly@clara.co.uk> Subject: Baz Andrews Message-ID: <00a801bf8f22$58c92320$835b08c3@default> Anyone noticed that there's a new Shriekback album available? "Naked Apes and PondLife" A cracker. Nice to see him back in the land of the living....... Now....where's Apple Venus2?
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:17:04 -0800 From: "Jeannie" <venusnvy@earthlink.net> Subject: VH1 Message-ID: <200003160123.RAA03164@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Chris wrote... Off the top of my head, I would have gone for "Funk Pop A Roll," "God Save The Queen,"(i.e., the sex Pistols, not the brit national anthem)and "Heroin."(Lou Reed was writing about smack when everybody else was writing about hallucinogenics- how rebellious can you get?) But hey, that's just me. I agree. Lou Reed is brilliant and has always been a man ahead of his time. It's funny, the guy, some comedian named Zac 'something' - who voted for "Dear God," claimed to be a big fan of xTc, but he said that 'the guy who wrote this is actually very religious' I thought to myself, "Andy is an athiest, or at least agnostic, isn't he?" A while back the topic was most underrated band, a category tailor-made for XTC, who got nary a mention Naturally, they can't even be deservingly honored for their lack of being honored! , though Sammy Hagar, of all people, picked Tom Waits as one of his top three. The guy has more taste than I thought. that's surprising! well you never know 'bout people. I love Tom Waits! great smokey voice & songwriter. It's a show that might have been a good idea if they picked more celebrities who actually had some intelligence, like Bill Maher did with Politically Incorrect when it was on Comedy Central. Bill would pick four different people he obviously respected and liked from four different aspects of the entertainment industry and have them square off on the political issues of the day. NOT SEXY ENOUGH FOR VH1 It was rare that things would escalate into fistfights(I never saw it happen) like on Jerry Springer. SEXY ENOUGH FOR VH1 It's too bad that they cannot come up with a more intelligent format and invite more informed people on to actually talk about music, instead of holding a mindless circus! But that would be asking too much. jeannie
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:24:48 -0600 From: "Robert Kulick" <kulicro@auburn.edu> Subject: ok maybe i got it right and TMBG in Playboy Message-ID: <s8d029eb.018@groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu> Relph keeps chastising me for being a f@@@ing dweeb when I try to post to the list, so lets see if I got it right this time.... In this months Playboy, John Flansburgh of TMBG names his songs that changed the world: Over the Rainbow-Judy Garland Try a little Tenderness-Otis Redding Good Vibrations-Beach Boys Like a Rolling Stone-Bob Dylan Roadrunner-Jonathon Richman Is there anyone with mp3s of the new XTC album which I've decided should be called Larval Compote. That should satisfy the idiot entomologist that came up with WASP STAR. The 70's and 80's bands which were recounted in an earlier digest should include: Edwin Starr Mazzy Star The Rythmn Allstars Wasp Stinger The Honeydrippers and of course the Buzzcocks..... Rob
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