Chalkhills Digest, Volume 11, Number 45 Saturday, 20 August 2005 Topics: Why Art Is Anti-American. Axis Anyday You'll gather your senses, I'm sure. Re: Pub Lick Can Weirdness Afoot! Re: Brian Wilson Remastered DVD bittorrent for XTC Gaston Hall concert, 1980. Now available More still... Administrivia: To UNSUBSCRIBE from the Chalkhills mailing list, send a message to <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> with the following command: unsubscribe For all other administrative issues, send a message to: <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> Please remember to send your Chalkhills postings to: <chalkhills@chalkhills.org> World Wide Web: <http://chalkhills.org/> The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. Chalkhills is compiled with Digest 3.8c (John Relph <relph@tmbg.org>). This is your life and you do what you want to do...
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 00:30:20 -0400 From: Duncan Watt <dwatt@fastestmanintheworld.com> Subject: Why Art Is Anti-American. Message-ID: <9E8C4510-0ED7-11DA-83C2-000393D30A40@fastestmanintheworld.com> On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 10:19 PM, HB Sherwood metastasized: > Words, note. Words obscuring the Image. ...it's funny, I almost replied to Mr. Pastula's reprehensible remark, but i was furious and too close to the argument, so I dropped it. Also figured ol' HB for a good *gaeshi-waza*... So instead, i was in a car driving to see Coldplay (against my better judgement, as i'm not a fan, and I find them to be so copying U2 (also, coincidentally *songwriters*, I can see those fighter planes ) except without the emotional content, and I was right, they're the same live, but the video-cum-light-show was so so amazing, the guy doing live music-video-style 'remixing' was so jazz, a true artist, what a presentation, what a delight), and so anyway I told my British brother-in-law the Coldplay fan about our little list and the things I didn't say and he so concisely said "if artists can't complain about the world, then who can?"... ,,,which is what I should have said. 'Cos there ain't that many loudspeakers out there, and the politicians and pundits keep hoggin' em. Art rules OK! Duncan
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:22:02 +0200 From: "don device" <device@noos.fr> Subject: Axis Anyday Message-ID: <000a01c5a326$4680fb70$a43e4251@computer> Pedants Unite! Back again: I'm quite aware of most of the Wikipedia entries on the subject of Axis Mundi, having added to them myself on occasion, and holding a degree in Comparative Mythology and Theology myself... A word to the wise: watch that Wikipedia! It reminds me of the 'Hitchhhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' being written by whoever happened to stop by and feeling like having a go! I was just speaking to a friend of mine, a Professor at London College about our personal fave subject, the Cathar Heresy of the 12th century in Languedoc (now Southern France) and how rife with errors it is, so rife in fact that we agreed there's no use trying to fix it... That said, I quite appreciate your insights into the song, some of which had not occured to me even though that song(s?) is by far my favourite from WS (itself a reference to Aztec or Inca mythology, I forget which). AV and WS helped me greatly through my own divorce and rebirth, so I'm right with you there... I seem to remember reading in an interview with Andy that he'd been reading some (attention, loaded term here, but I'm too lazy to think of a better one) Goddess-revisionist-type mythological dictionary whilst writing for the discs... My guess that he'd picked 'Axis Mundi' up from a medaieval dictionary came from my sentiment that he's quite attached to that period of history, through Skylarking and all, but I may be projecting... Pedantically yours for the taking or leaving, The almost-always Rt Reverend d" PS: FWIW My thesis paper was on the Celtic pre-christian origins of the Greenman and it's semi-systematic inclusion in early to late middle-age Catholic churches... Once again around the maypole!
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:43:44 -0700 From: "Pastula Aaron" <pastula12@hotmail.com> Subject: You'll gather your senses, I'm sure. Message-ID: <BAY109-F34D078BD38C9C4A7FD6D67A2B30@phx.gbl> I guess I knew it would come to this...skip down if you're so inclined... In between the bursts of froth and spittle, Dom said: >that like most weapon-waving >buffoons Mr. Pastula fails to see the connection >between lots of people owning guns and lots of people >being shot (accidentally or otherwise)? First of all, "lots of people" do own guns, but let's look at the statistics in the US: You are twice as likely to die from alcohol poisoning as you are from a gunshot. The top twenty or so causes of death in the US are much, much, much, much more likely to kill you than a gunshot is, sometimes tens and hundreds of times more (check out the CDC if you don't believe me). In fact, you have a better chance of dying in a bucket of water -- not a pond, not a pool, not a puddle, mind you, A BUCKET OF WATER -- than you do from a gunshot. "Lots" of people? Well, perhaps...but compared to "lots" of other things, it's not that high, and in many cases, it's not even remotely close, so your statement could easily be called inaccurate...and I personally would go so far as to also call it disingenuous, but that's just me. >You'd have to be thicker than pigshit and blind >as a bat to miss that nugget of cause-and-effect >action. You mean, the wholly absurd glittering generality you just made up? Yeah, I guess I did indeed miss that benchmark of logic and reason. >And I'm sure Mr. P (NRA division) hasn't really >completely misunderstood his own constitutional right >to be a violent, oppressive, pistol-packing >slave-whore to the fascist, corporate right in >America Sorry -- is this the part where I'm *really* supposed to start taking you seriously? >Is shooting fun? Yes, immensely. I suggest you try it sometime. I suspect it gives one the same sense of satisfaction as they would get from any activity or sport that requires discipline, practice and attention to detail. Not to mention the enjoyment one can get from the sound/power of a gun, from striving to improve one's performance and accuracy, or the appreciation we knuckle-draggers have for the precision engineering and mechanics of a piece of equipment like a gun, which are pretty remarkable, actually. Some people like to take apart and/or work on or learn about engines and see how they operate and gain an appreciation for how their myriad parts interact, perform, etc., some people do the same with guitars and music, some people guns; me, I like all three to one degree or another. Go figure. >but >really, Aaron, what's your point about gun culture in >the USA? My point is that there is a distinct difference between GUN culture and CRIMINAL culture. The former is a group of at least, and probably more than, 70 million members who legally own and operate their firearms under safe conditions and in manners of respect that I doubt you could fathom, who fire literally hundreds of millions of rounds safely and legally each year for every single round used in a criminal act, and whose legally obtained and registered weapons account each year for .01% of gun-related crimes (or is it .001%? I can never remember how many zeros are in that stat), and who own guns for hunting, personal defense, sport, or merely as a hobby. The latter is a group of untold numbers who will abuse the functions and legality of a gun without any care or consequence, just as they would abuse the functions of a knife, baseball bat, boxcutter, credit card, cell phone, automobile, or any other device to achieve their criminal ends. If you want to get all worked up because each of those implements has the ability to be used con-structively as well as de-structively, be my guest, but I suggest you worry more about what makes people choose criminal over lawful behavior instead of trying to advocate the retroactive babysitting of the majority of people just because a statistically insignificant few -- and their apologists -- want to ruin it for the rest of us. A common mistake of folks like yourself is that you combine gun culture and criminal culture, and they are two vastly different things. And, in all honesty, this is the mistake that I believe a song like "Melt the Guns" ultimately makes...and I even share some of Andy's lamentations in that tune; it's just his remedy that just doesn't make any sense to me. >"No guns for us, thanks! Those >things are frickin' dangerous!" Yes, they certainly can be. In fact, they were used in 11,829 homicides (what we often call "manslaughter") in 2002, which is probably why some people would love to see them banned for good. On the other hand, 17,419 people died that same year due to alcohol-related automobile accidents (what we often call "vehicular manslaughter"), yet I don't hear much call for the banning of cars or alcohol; on the contrary, we largely advocate that people should instead learn to use both of those things responsibly. Ironic, isn't it? Especially when total gun deaths each year (including suicides, which if I'm not mistaken always account for the largest number) is around 30,000, and yet the number of instances in which guns actually are credited with *preventing* a crime is about 2.5 million each year. So, to bring it full circle -- at least 70 million legal gun owners, and about 30,000 gun deaths per year...that's .0004 fatalities per member of the "gun culture," and 2/3 of those are suicides (meaning they probably would have found another way to do it if not for the gun). That still sound like "lots" to you, Dom? Bottom line: just because something can be dangerous doesn't mean it is inherently bad or should be banned, or that its elimination is going to change much. For example, guns are largely, if not entirely, absent from the British culture, partly through social preference, and partly through legal measures. But this doesn't diminish crime in a city like London, where a friend of mine who works for Scotland Yard informs me that knife-related crimes are rising (along with crime in general). In fact, I read recently that your "sentient" British government is, as we speak, in the process of advocating and possibly implementing a ban on *large kitchen knives* because of an uptick in attacks and homicides with said cooking utensils...so, Dom, if your civilized countrymen start attacking each other with clubs and pointed sticks, are you then going to ban wood? >I bet he'd choke on that >passionately-sung cover version like a lump of >recently-slain-kiddy gristle. I highly doubt it, but with all due respect to both of you, if Andy were to take a stance as histrionic and poorly argued as yours, then let him choke on it. But after hearing how we took the scat outro of "Guns" right into the drumbeat of "Travels in Nihilon" (geez, and I'm not even a nihilist...how DARE I sing that tune!), I bet he'd just smile. Then, Todd said: >Oops, big logic gap there, Aaron! Your "therefore" doesn't work. I disagree. Simon said he would only respect my opinion if I were to take the stance that it had no more validity than his opinion; in other words, only if I were to admit that we were somehow "equal" in our opnions no matter what. Now, if it's my opinion, then *by definition* I think it has more validity than his (which is NOT to say that I don't respect Simon's opinion or wouldn't give him ample opportunity to try and change mine), and if I take that stance, then he essentially admitted that he would essentially discount -- in other words, invalidate or render inferior -- my opinion because I consider it to be better than his own. Basically, I don't have a chance on those terms of doing anything but either witholding my opinion or having it invalidated. >when facts come on to the scene, then it's >perfectly possible for one opinion to be more valid than another. Depends. I mean, I can indisputably fill a glass to 50% of its potential volume with water, and you and I can then trade opinions indefinitely on whether it's half empty or half full. Or, if you want a better example, see my facts above with regard to guns, and let's see whose opinions change as a result of them... >How could you "passionately" sing that song if you don't believe in the >lyrics? Oh, I don't know, how many willingly childless XTC fans out there have belted out the words to "Pink Thing" or "Holly Up On Poppy" while driving in the car? Have any church-going XTC fans that I'm not aware of burst into flames while singing along to "Dear God" or "Greenman?" Anyway, that's all for the "Firepower Hour" here on Radio Chalkhills. We now return you to your regularly scheduled effluvia... Next silly question, AP
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:16:12 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net> Subject: Re: Pub Lick Can Message-ID: <a06110400bf2b6e9c0d1a@[165.121.128.50]> Dom wrote: > >Well, after the report was over, I heard the opening riff to "Dizz >Knee Land" by Dada and then felt the pavlovian urge to puke as the >riff crossfaded into the vocalizations of Hannity, and I lunged for >the CD button. P.S. Welcome back Dom. You've too long been absent from the games. He probably never even listened to the whole song, just thought the riff was catchy. Rush Limbaugh's been using the very left wing Chrissie Hynde's "My City Was Gone" as his opening theme for years, and for a while in the 90's was using the opening bars from several songs from a couple of Utopia's out of print 80's albums. I haven't listened to him much since GW Bush got elected, he was a lot more interesting and funny when Clinton was in office. These days he's GW's lapdog and very boring and repetitive.
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:46:54 -0400 From: "Ben Gott" <bgott@rectoryschool.org> Subject: Weirdness Afoot! Message-ID: <5D5C24A6F6FBA04F9C937B65A81EAE58015ECC@INET.rectoryschool.org> Does anyone else find it unusual that Jon Brion worked closely with Kanye West on his new album? Does anyone else find it unusual that you've never heard David Rice? You should go to http://www.davidricemusic.com immediately to remedy the situation. David Rice and Kanye West: now there's a combo! ...And XTC! -Ben
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:31:33 -0700 (PDT) From: The Colonel <captainextraneous@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Brian Wilson Message-ID: <20050819183133.85741.qmail@web34106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> J.D. Mac previously said: > >Tonight, I went to see Brian Wilson's show near Washington, DC. >Before the show, there was an assortment of music playing over the >P.A. It really made me *SMiLE* when the song "Pale and Precious" came >on! After the show, I asked the soundman who chose the pre-show >music. I was really hoping he was going to say Brian, but the >pre-show tape was assembled by band member Darian Sahanaja. Still >cool, none the less! My response: Well, Darian is a member of the excellent Wondermints, so that's still nothing to sneeze at. Anyway, Brian Wilson has said in the past that he doesn't listen to new music, just "oldies but goodies." Someone interviewing him asked him if he was aware of the profound influence he'd had on, say, the Elephant Six collective and like-minded fans turned professional musicians, and that was his response. -The Colonel
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:24:48 -0500 From: "Rich" <rich@clevercaboose.com> Subject: Remastered DVD bittorrent for XTC Gaston Hall concert, 1980. Message-ID: <000501c5a53f$1ab2b810$8e0a1b41@dual> Now available I've just started a bittorrent for a remastered DVD of the XTC concert at Gaston Hall, Georgetown University, January 24, 1980. You can download it from: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=55913&viewcomm=616561#comm616561 If you have the original, I think you'll want this one. The video is substantially brightened -- the original was very dark. The audio has been improved in a major way. The original had little bass, all 2kHz, essentially mono. The remastered audio has stereo separation, good bass, etc, etc. I've included both a stereo track and a 5.1 surround track. I think you'll agree that it sounds fantastic...I can say that because I only worked on the video; a friend of mine took the audio into his recording studio and spent 10+ hrs adding some magic. I pulled Mark Garland's photos from the chalkhills site for the DVD menus. I tried earlier to find him via this newsletter and get his permission, but no one responded. If anyone knows any other forums and/or newsletters with an interest in XTC, please forward the link to the torrent.
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:49:39 -0700 From: "Pastula Aaron" <pastula12@hotmail.com> Subject: More still... Message-ID: <BAY109-F13C283FB197B69E884235AA2B40@phx.gbl> Come on, I'm sure the Mariah Carey list is just as happenin' as this place... Harrison "It's called a 'jump to conclusions mat'" Sherwood wrote: >THEREFORE: > >4) All art is pretty much completely meaningless. Of course not. But neither is it imbued with *all* meaning. It's an interpretation, and just like any other account or statement, can either be interpreted as being totally valid, totally invalid, or somewhere inbetween. >The thing that seems to be being missed here is that "the view of the world >where Andy is sitting" is precisely the point. No, I didn't miss it at all, but *my* point is simply that Andy's point is not the *only* point, and that sometimes I agree with him, and sometimes I don't. Why is that so hard to understand? What I'm gleaning from yours and previous comments is unltimately that I shouldn't be listening to or singing "Melt the Guns" if I like shooting. Shouldn't drive a car if "River of Orchids" is my favorite XTC song. Can't apply my own interpretation of the cold war to "This World Over." The conclusion is a little extreme, I realize, but you see my point...please tell me if I'm overreacting. I mean, if Picasso's Guernica leads you to believe that ALL war is unequivocally evil and unnecessary, and leads you to morally equate the intentions and effects of all war, then so be it. Me, I look at Guernica and I see many of the same things you do...and then I weigh it against, say, the image of the flag raising at Iwo Jima, and I'm certain that I then come to vastly different conclusions about what the "universal lesson" is that's being expressed in Picasso's work. To me, the greatest "universal" aspect of any art isn't the lesson or message that one person takes from it, or even the message or lesson its creator intended -- it's the ability of art to reveal different "universal truths" to different people. Anyway. Think I'll pop over and see what Mariah's peeps are going on about this morning. AP
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