Chalkhills Digest Volume 8, Issue 39
Date: Monday, 1 July 2002
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 8, Number 39
Monday, 1 July 2002
Topics:
Re: Where oh Where???
Moby....Dick!!
Re: Jellyfish
Bert & Harrison & The Record of the Year, oh my!
1,000 Ramblings (Well.....Cut it Down to a Few)
XTC Facsimile CDs
idea site
OT: john entwhistle
Re:Jam-based content
jellyfish box set
In Memoriam
Territorial Pissings (no Moby)
*Gilmore Girls*
*Brushes cruelty off her computer*
Diverse rambling
A Chip Off The Old Bert
Roger that
I pledge allegiance, to XTC, and the united fans of Chalkhills.
Caroline's remasters
This is the end
Wanted - Comprehensive Review of Remasters
Re: Harrison BS
Bert, Thou Never Werd
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Samuelian <jsamuelian@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Where oh Where??? Message-ID: <20020627185339.55906.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> > First of all, I'm hearing sporatic chat here > and in ICE Magazine's July > issue about the availability of the mini-LP > sleeve editions...... Caroline has just taken the Japanese cardboard covers and slapped a "distributed by Caroline" on them - lower price than imports of course (well, usually!). I just saw a bunch at Virgin and HMV, both in midtown Manhattan, so they're definitely out and about. Sounds like you're downtown, I can't imagine the mighty J&R now having these. > Forgive me, I'm manic about > special editions ever since I missed my > opportunity to snag PAUL MCCARTNEY UNPLUGGED Out of print in the US, true, but easily available as import. Try amazon.com.
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:19:03 +0100
From: "Paul Sandford" <mail@samnjake.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Moby....Dick!!
Message-ID: <000901c21e07$1f0634e0$200e86d9@samuel>
Dear Bert and Harrison,
"Put your knuckles down boys". It gets a bit
dull having to scroll through yer turgid willie waving every digest.
Many thanks
Paul
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:44:50 -0400 From: DanAbnrml9@aol.com Subject: Re: Jellyfish Message-ID: <00677993.1E943F81.0AC55730@aol.com> Kevin: I happen to know a bit about that Jellyfish box set so I thought I'd fill you in. While they did only put out two albums, this four disc box set is made up of entirely unreleased (or at least unreleased or rare in the US) material, meaning there is NO overlap with their two proper albums at all. The set will feature all their known rarities, demos of nearly all of both of their albums, live tracks, and more. It's also packaged in an attractive longbox with booklet (a la "Coat..."). The price you state is high--if you order it directly from the company that's producing it (Not Lame records at www.notlame.com) then you can pay a little less. ALSO, I should say, NotLame is probably the coolest little record company on earth. Fans of XTC would find much to love there, and should check them out. Label head Bruce Brodeen is also a great guy and is always willing to chat despite getting hundreds of emails a day. AND if you REALLY want to see this box set come out, there is something you can do to help. See, EMI is making the label pony up ALL the money BEFORE they produce the set because of the magnitude of the project. NotLame is a small, 3 person operation, and Bruce has sunk well into six figures of personal capital into this project already. Pre-orders of the set directly through the site (and even moreso, pre PAYING, though many may have valid reservations about that) ensures to NotLame a return on their investment, so they can borrow more to pay EMI. The box set is unfortunately on permanent hiatus until this situation can be rectified (meaning it missed its planned June 25 release and won't be out for another ! month, at least) so if you want to help all of us fans get our boxes, go pre-order the thing! Whew, sorry for so much non-XTC content. To make it up to all of you, I offer this: Have any of you seen that big, green book called "PUNK: The Definitive Record of a Revolution" (I think it was edited by Chris Sullivan). It's a bunch of pictures and interview quotes from some of the most important figures in the punk revolution, but the most disturbing part comes near the end in a part where everyone is discussing "new wave." In it, there are several vitriolic diatribes about how these new wave bands are shit, etc etc and they cite XTC and the Cars as the most frequent contributors to the distruction of punk's good name. Has anyone else seen this? I don't have it handy so I can't transcribe the quotes but if anyone is interested I could do so. Oh, and on the Moby front... well, I don't want to throw my hat completely in the ring on such a heated debate, but, heck, I like his music, and in the cutthroat music industry I support any artist who is making money in any basically moral and legal way. --Jason
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Long <optimismsflames@yahoo.com> Subject: Bert & Harrison & The Record of the Year, oh my! Message-ID: <20020627195839.83748.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com> Hey... Bert & Harrison, PUT A CLAMP ON YOUR DAMN POTTED MEAT TRAPS, puhhhhhleeeeaaase. When will you two realize that no one is going to love you, until you love you. Bert - I couldn't pick Harrison out of a crowd of three, but I've seen an old school photo of the lad, and he looks damn spooky. Think heavy metal biker dude on an elephant steady diet of steroids and acid and you'll be in the ball-park. Be afraid... be very afraid. Harrison, buddy... perhaps you'd have more time to write articles about XTC if you entered into idiotic arguments less frequently. Sorry... couldn't resist. I'm quite sure that jab will not speed up the process. Album of the year??? Yeah... Costello's disc is good, but it doesn't come close to Wilco's "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" - easily the best album I've heard this year... and probably the best thing they've done to date. Give it a chance. wesLONG
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:22:27 -0400 From: "Molly, the New Wave Queen" <mollyfa0000@worldnet.att.net> Subject: 1,000 Ramblings (Well.....Cut it Down to a Few) Message-ID: <000401c21e18$5efecb00$eb01590c@vogmudet> Organization: AT&T Worldnet I've been reading Chalkhills lately and I see one of our faithful members is getting attacked by another. Bert, my dear friend, leave Harrison alone. Yes, of course you have every right to stoate your opinion, but I just read your last post in Chalkhills Digest 8-38, and I think you have a personal grudge against him. If people have personal grudges against people they tend to try to rip them apart and make them look bad, when in reality the attackers are making themselves look like jerks. Harrsion is a cool guy, and he doesn't really deserve the personal attack you just made. That's all about that subject. On a lighter note, I recently got a great DVD called, "New Wave" and it has the video for "Making Plans For Nigel". OMG, this video totally blows me away. It's so....so...cheesy. But what do you expect from a video from circa 1980. :) I have one question though about the video, is that Andy as the specialist helping out "Nigel"? It looks like him, but I'm not sure. Now if only I could get my hands on a DVD full of XTC videos. That's all for now. :) Molly XTC Song of the Moment: "Towers of London" Non-XTC Song of the Moment: "Seizure" - .O.Rang
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:47:06 +1000 From: "Peter Brown" <peter@outputdsj.com.au> Subject: XTC Facsimile CDs Message-ID: <004201c21e24$327bdf30$61f538cb@pc1> Regarding Kevin's interest in the mini-LP CDs of the remastered XTC catalogue (at least I presume that's what Kevin is talking about) I purchased mine the same time that the remasters were released so they have been around for a while. I have Skylarking Mummer Big Express Nonsuch English Settlement Oranges and Lemons And I would dearly like the rest, so if anyone knows ... I can tell you they are Japanese, the essay contained within is also in Japanese. They are marvellous near facsimile's of the album's done like only the Japanese can do (Big Express is especially wonderful). I can tell you I purchased them personally from Red Eye records in Sysney (www.redeye.com.au) and their stock sold out within a few weeks. Last time I asked they said they were attempting to find more copies from various distributors but it was proving difficult to find cheap ones. www.xtcidearecords.co.uk used to sell them but they appear to be out of stock
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:10:56 EDT From: Saints3Den@aol.com Subject: idea site Message-ID: <f2.1dace36a.2a4ce770@aol.com> hey folks... no one posting about the great news on the idea site. You all too busy working on territories and license plates? go read about dvds and new recordings xtc, xtc, xtc. and, i think its time to have vee-tube weigh in on the bert/harrison moby debacle well... eddie
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:55:23 -0700
From: "Dan Phipps" <phipps@schoollink.net>
Subject: OT: john entwhistle
Message-ID: <001e01c21e4f$409a5120$6f8c04d8@pavilion>
john entwhistle (the who) -- rest in peace! :-(
it's a sad day indeed for rock and roll!
/danny
--
"we are stardust...we are golden."
-- joni mitchell
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:17:11 -0700 From: "Phil Cusimano" <riknbkr330@cox.net> Subject: Re:Jam-based content Message-ID: <000f01c21e49$e9e2dc80$12490644@sd.cox.net> Jamie replied: >Slightly non-XTC but seeing as we seem to be on a Jam thing at the moment... If you want to hear some very Jam/early-XTC-a-like sounds you could do a lot worse than check out some of Stiff Little Fingers earliest stuff. And as a link to Stiff Little Finger, Bruce Foxton (former bass player of the Jam) is currently Stiff Little Finger's bass player. On another link, and sadly on the heels of the death today of John Entwistle, Foxton is also working on a project with Simon Townshend, Pete's youngest brother, at www.dot-bom.com . Currently in remorse on the news of the death of JAE.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:19:43 EDT From: JEWELSROCK@aol.com Subject: jellyfish box set Message-ID: <53.18abf916.2a4d21bf@aol.com> hey, someone mentioned the Jellyfish box set last post. I pre-ordered the set about 2 months back. It is indeed called FAN CLUB, and is being put out by Not Lame Records at www.notlame.com. I paid $60. They are predicting a July release, but it seems some red-tape issues have arisen.... Miller.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:00:58 -0400 From: "Alec Berlin" <alecberlin@hotmail.com> Subject: In Memoriam Message-ID: <LAW2-F93V1qdiixjnzi00000110@hotmail.com> John Entwhistle, RIP. Is there another bassist who sounds like him? Does anyone ever confuse one of his bass lines for someone else? Could anyone else have remained as totally rock solid in the face of such utter rhythmic chaos and wonder as what came from Moonie? RIP, Ox. Alec Berlin alecberlin@hotmail.com alecberl - AIM
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:15:40 -0400 From: "Scott Barnard" <brainiacsdaughter@hotmail.com> Subject: Territorial Pissings (no Moby) Message-ID: <F230TAZD95IxjxxHm7j0000021e@hotmail.com> Could any other nation but Canada really produce as painfully polite an exchange as the following? >"Ted Harms" <tmharms@library.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > > > > Well, I wonder how much of Ontario I can claim? > > > > Is anybody going to get upset if I raise my ensign over the > > south-west? For now I won't be so bold to include the Golden > > Horseshoe/armpit of Lake Ontario area but will happily annex it if > > nobody complains... > >Whoa, not so fast Ted... we may have a border skirmish on our hands here. >I'm but a stones throw from UW (beside Laural Creek as a matter of fact), >and I've been a Chalkhooligan since the release of Go2... I take it you >were >but a gleam in the old mans eye at the time. >But I'd be happy to share the rights to all of Southeren Ontario with you - >why be greedy? >(nice to meet you sir!) > >-mark kirk-> You apparently have staid old Ontario to yourselves, boys, and welcome to it. As for me, I'm claiming the much sexier Quebec. If some hitherto mute Quebecois(e) would like to argue the point, so be it, c'est la guerre.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Anthony <hamsterranch@yahoo.com> Subject: *Gilmore Girls* Message-ID: <20020628041201.10487.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> After the WB Network sit-dram *The Gilmore Girls* got several mentions in Chalkhills, I made a mental note to watch. But I didn't get around to it until mid-June, when I saw, in the checkout line, that *TV Guide* had dubbed it "The Best Show You're Not Watching." Well! *TV Guide* had, in the late '90s, bestowed this honor on my favorite series, *Homicide: Life On the Street*, so I immediately knew two things about *Gilmore*: one, it's really good, two, it uses great music, and three ... Oh, piffle, I'll begin again. AMONGST THE THINGS I IMMEDIATELY KNEW were numbered these components: one, it's really good, two, it uses great music, and three, it's in dire peril of cancellation. One or more of you had reported that not only does *Gilmore* use XTC music, but in one episode, a character runs down the street, or runs into a room, brandishing *Wasp Star* and shouting, "New XTC album out!" -- or words to that effect. Alas, there was no XTC in the ep I caught. Lots of clever writing, though, and a couple of articulate zinger-shooting main characters, mother and daughter, quirky enough to invite a repeat viewing -- yet not so quirky as to chase me away. This mother and daughter are the only two women on the planet who believe an evening is enhanced by watching a Monty Python movie, then shrieking at each other in falsetto Non-U English accents. *Gilmore*'s refreshing Montyphilia is reason enough to watch again. As is the casting of Edward Herrman, who portrayed Franklin Roosevelt so ably some years back, as the grumpy clueless grandfather. As is the Language In The Lungs of the main characters -- e.g., the mother's use of the phrase "in synch" -- immediately followed by the disclaimer that she didn't mean it "in the slightly gay boy-band sense." As is the yet-unrealized hope of hearing XTC on network TV ... well, at least on the WB. Ryan Anthony An independent Internet content provider P.S.: The part of Arizona that is currently burning (400,000 forested acres, and counting, in the east-central White Mountains) is not in my empire. The Great Fire I'm responsible for as Number One XTC Fan In Southern Arizona, the Bullock blaze on Mount Lemmon, overlooking Tucson, is out. And no, Books Were Not Burning. P.P.S.: John Entwistle's come to a sticky end / Don't think he will ever mend ...
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:26:58 -0400 From: Ribs McSorley <SoulsvilleUSA@earthlink.net> Subject: *Brushes cruelty off her computer* Message-ID: <B941CE52.191C%SoulsvilleUSA@earthlink.net> > Recently had the pleasure of speaking with Senor Gregory again, this time to > ask his opinions on some British food I was planning to order online. (All > Cadbury chocolate, of course.) You called a diabetic to ask him what kind of chocolates he recommends? You could have followed up by calling Stevie Wonder to ask whether he caught the Metropolitan Museum the last time he was in New York.
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:39:45 +0000 From: "James McRae" <ijcmcrae@hotmail.com> Subject: Diverse rambling Message-ID: <F220oOvs5E1DkQTR8Lh0000082f@hotmail.com> Did anyone else spot this item on the Xtcidearecords site? "Tunes help you breathe more easily. Date: 21/06/02 Andy and Colin have started work (at last i hear you cry) on material for a new XTC album. Song titles at present include My Heart Is A Compass, Oh My Britannia, Whispered Hymn and Say It. We will be giving you regular bulletins on how things are progressing. " -This makes me happy..... The site also mentions chalkhorse fleeces coming up for sale (thinks: must tell wife as birthday is approaching) - This also makes me happy.... My daughter (20 months)loves "Helicopter" and rotates until she falls to the floor laughing. - this makes me happy.. ....What does not make me happy is rather unpleasant and bitter bickering - started mainly, it seems, about a performer who isn't even in XTC. Guys, can you argue off list please? (this is a polite and respectful request) byebye James
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Versaci <michael_versaci@yahoo.com> Subject: A Chip Off The Old Bert Message-ID: <20020628143203.10266.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com> Folxtc, Bert Millichip said: >What's Chalkhills coming to, when you can't disagree with an opinion without getting aggressive sub-Scorsese lines thrown back at you?< Harrison is a writer, and by definition has availed himself to criticism. Some love his writing; others do not. I suspect he can live with that. What you did when you said ... > By the way, if you want to find out where Harrison got most of his "facts", not to mention some of his prose, check out the article by David Dayen...< ...was beyond mere "disagreement with an opinion." It was an attack on the man's character. How can you justify accusing him of plagiarism? You must know that this is the ultimate insult to a writer. A quick search of Chalkhills archives reveals Harrison to be a very responsible individual, dilligently crediting and referencing his sources with URL's and / or listings of those that are not available on the web. Truth be told, I think you are envious of his stature here on Chalkhills. Your spurious implications of plagiarism have done nothing to tarnish his good reputation, but have significantly diminished your own. Michael Versaci
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Smart <jimsmart1@yahoo.com> Subject: Roger that Message-ID: <20020628164540.32193.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> For my money (what little of it there is), the best album since Wasp Star is the new Wilco album, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. Atmospheric, semi-poppy at times, dark and scratchy at others, and each song self destructs cataclysmicly instead of ending in a more usual way. Love it. Jim
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:52:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "" <radiosinmotion@iwon.com> Subject: I pledge allegiance, to XTC, and the united fans of Chalkhills. Message-ID: <20020628235202.F3EC9550@email.iwon.com> Sigh... Don't worry, I won't start a debate about the pledge, though It's pretty irritating that the religious -------- in this country are going to continue forcing their religion into politics while at the same time ignoring the voice of 15% of the nation. Remember, if we did everything the majority wanted, gays could not marry, drugs would be illegal, and we would spend more money on prisons than on schools... Oh wait, my bad... XTC Content: I love Sgt. Rock! I'm surprised any self respecting fan wouldn't like the song! By the way, no one responded so I will ask the question again: I bought all the XTC remasters I could get from Amazon and all of them came as Japanese imports and looked like little records. I did not order the imports, I ordered the American version. Anyway, are there ANY differences in the Japanese imports and the American remasters? Oh, get the new Squeeze album "The Very Best of Squeeze." It's great!
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 03:00:00 -0400 From: DMiner <werkshop@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Caroline's remasters Message-ID: <a05100300b94306cb8635@[192.168.1.100]> Greetings, Chalkfolks, I was recently shocked to come upon the mini-LP editions of "Skylarking" "Oranges & Lemons" and "White Music" selling for a ridiculously low sum of $14.99 (US) at Borders Books & Music. It appears Caroline is importing the Japanese pressings and simply stickering the back with an English language track list and their own barcode. I recently discovered the same imports available at an independent shop for $13.99. I know where I'm going for the next ones, which should be out very, very soon (if not now). I'm tickled that I should be able to complete my collection of mini-LP remasters at rates cheaper than mail-ordering them as imports (or buying them at the bend-over-and-take-it sum of $30.99 at Virgin Megastore). In case you didn't know, Caroline is also releasing the remastered albums in their own jewel case packaging. These versions I have seen for sale at Best Buy, and sorry to say, they're ugh-lee. The beautiful blue "Skylarking" cover has been represented as some awful puke-like aqua in the jewel case version. The majestic "Oranges and Lemons" cover looks soft and faded, nothing like the originated-as-a-CD-anyway Geffen cover. Worst of all, "English Settlement" is darn near unrecognizable. The front looks like a dark, texture pattern mess, where you can barely make out the title. The chalkhorse is virtually invisible. The Caroline jewel case discs have stickers on them boasting color booklets with lyrics. Anyone seen inside these discs? I definitely won't buy these editions (unless that's the only way to get remastered Dukes of Stratosphear), but I am curious how the interior is presented. = Derek Miner =
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:18:54 +0100 From: Jayne Myrone <spagyric_2002@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: This is the end Message-ID: <B9439C7D.F0%spagyric_2002@yahoo.co.uk> The votes are in and the winner is Sir Sun and Miss Moon If you want to buy a t-shirt please get in touch with me via spagyric_2002@yahoo.co.uk Let me know what size you want, how many shirts and your address. The cost will be #7-50 plus postage. As the dollar is currently instable I'll use the exchange rate for the day the order reaches me. Thanks for voting and if you have any question or are interested in using one of the other designs please get in touch. Back to lurking
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 02:11:55 -0400 From: Andy Nouraee <andy@andy2000.org> Subject: Wanted - Comprehensive Review of Remasters Message-ID: <B9456AEA.A53A%andy@andy2000.org> Just wondering if anyone has written or knows where to find reviews of all of the XTC remasters that compares their sound quality to prior CD issues. I'm particularly interested in what any people with technical knowledge (aka hifi geeks) have to say. I'm curious because I want to know which CD are the most improved. You can e-mail me privately at andy@andy2000.org Thank you. Andy
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:32:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randy Posynick <randy_posynick@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Harrison BS
Message-ID: <20020701173226.86570.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com>
god, i love an intellectual argument. so fiery and exciting! i wanted to
join the debate club in high school, but it turned out i'm kinda dumb...
anyway, i'm not going to step into the middle of this most excellent and
effusive discussion, but rather provide a tangential link to an interesting
john densmore article:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020708&s=densmore
in which the former doors drummer provides his opinion on songs in
commercials -- one of the issues you're examining.
rp
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:15:16 EDT From: Hbsherwood@aol.com Subject: Bert, Thou Never Werd Message-ID: <104.17e0e9cd.2a51f634@aol.com> Folks: Wow. Wowie-wowie-wow. Looks like I've got some apologizing to do. I imagine that anybody not enervated by this pissing contest before Bert's explosion is pa-LEN-ty sick of it by now. I should have foreseen the results of poking at a hornet's nest. That the hornets thus awakened are now blundering around like the Three Stooges, making "woop-woop-woop" noises and poking each other in the eye, doesn't mean they're not disturbing the peace. I should have read the warning signs and avoided it. If I had, we might all have been spared clear-eyed reasoning like this: >For one >thing, it would take pages for me to refute every one >of your blatant falsehoods (I counted thirteen) and >misrepresentations, not least because to do so would >necessitate quoting great chunks of your verbose >rhetoric. But the main reason I won't bother is that >all those untruths have already been exposed by my >previous post.... Let me see if I've got this straight, Mr. Darrow: Two weeks ago you refuted everything I said a week ago...? Did I follow that correctly? Saaaaay! Neat trick! When dealing with a grasp of time & space as tenuous as this (no, Bert, the better class of physicists are pretty sure effects *follow* causes), it's best to simply vacate the field and leave it to the baboon with the bigger, redder ass, 'cos there's sure as shit no winning (or, perhaps more importantly, even *ending*) this argument. We'll just let the rest of The Millichip Introductory Course in Inductive Reasoning stand as its own best counterargument -- the Hardest-Workin' Self-Immolation in Show Business. (Moby's the *victim*! [slap forehead] Why didn't I *see* it!) By the way, for all those folks who've asked us to take it offline: on Thursday, June 27, I asked him twice to send me his "rebuttals" directly so we could take it private. The first inquiry was answered with a torrent of clumsy abuse (including a *very* classy crack about the "bad medical news" I alluded to earlier); the second with whistling silence. [Cut to Monday....] Ah. That's better. Bert has now, a few days later (not to say after a weekend's hurried typing), managed to come though with the goods, so for the next few days the muffled crashing sounds you hear offstage (reminiscent of Fibber McGee's closet in that beloved radio show of fond memory) will be those of a "frank exchange of views" going on across the Atlantic. Wow! THIRTEEN blatant falsehoods! Lemme at 'em! LEMme at 'em! Harrison "Shemp was always my favorite hornet" Sherwood
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