Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 290
Date: Wednesday, 25 October 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 290
Wednesday, 25 October 2000
Topics:
Re: SYWPTYRP
RE: Jihad time again . . .
My Poem About Talking About God On The XTC List.
The Longing Look You Gave Me...
Millions
Bumble Nova
*** FREE Crimson ticket if you act now!!! ***
God told me to flame your ass
Fudge!
Re: Poozies
Re: New EeeZee Skip Chalkhills
Co-inky-dink?
Always Winter, Never Christmas
Bi-assed ?
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:13:19 -0400 From: "Brian" <mattone@bhip.infi.net> Subject: Re: SYWPTYRP Message-ID: <00b301c03dbc$2e469ee0$800affd1@Brian> Tschalkgerz! >Shut the fuck up, Brian.< Sorry, Todd... that'll never happen. -Brian Matthews http://www.stonetrek.com Insistence ain't existence.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:48:44 +0100 From: "Smith, David" <David.Smith@tfeurope.com> Subject: RE: Jihad time again . . . Message-ID: <4BBE67B71C1DD411A23600508B65F71E0116867E@tfsecmsg04.tfseur.co.uk> Errrr, so what is up? Robert Miner said in 288 "I've never seen a mailing list more obsessed with religion." I could actually point you to the discussion group on the soccer website Football365, where about four times a year (funnily enough around the time of the local derby match between Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic), the air turns positively blue with sectarian, racist, bigoted lunacy. It's depressing, but at the same time a real education on man's stupidity and a pointer to why, for example, "the troubles" in Ireland may never go away. All very sad, and it makes the *mostly* reasoned arguments on here seem very tame in comparison. Having said that, Rob you are so right - a few more XTC mentions would not go amiss. Bob J - the lightbulb? Brilliant me old son, just brilliant! The Mole asked "Does anyone know if Sony were consulted before their corporate name was used in "Respectable Street". I would have thought - if they'd have even noticed - that they may have considered it good advertising. It's not the only song they've snuck into, like it or not. I refer you to the track entitled (imaginatively) "Sony" on This Is B.A.D., the first (and best) album by Big Audio Dynamite. In it, the venerable Japanese mega-monolith-corp is used as the archetype of "here's what's wring with Japan". It's actually a good (funny) song from a generally good album - exceptional for driving to. Anyother shameless Sony plaugs we should know about? Paulo X told us of hearing ITMWML over the speakers at the Sharks v Stars game the other night. Paulo, was the game at Dallas or San Jose? I only ask because when Dallas were in the playoffs last season, they played Stupidly Happy during timeouts on more than one occasion. If this was in Dallas as well, we may have uncovered a fan in the music booth at Dallas' home arena! That's all. I'm done. Ta ta. Smudge "Hockey? On ICE???" boy EMail: david.smith@tfeurope.com
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:24:21 -0400 From: "Duncan Watt" <dwatt@fastestmanintheworld.com> Subject: My Poem About Talking About God On The XTC List. Message-ID: <200010241525.LAA16435@gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net> Lord Almighty <brianthisisgod@yahoo.com> hath spake, to the hapless Brian: >My Son <sni... wait, can I do that? Oh, what the Hell...p> >We both know you are just fabricating this nonsense >to attract attention to yourself.. Shame on you!! >How about all the fox-hole prayers you mutter to me >when you are in dire need? 'Twould be interesting to ponder Whom exactly will burn For longer For this. Hm? Well, at least I can put God on my mailing list now. 9,998 more Dieties to go... ------------ Currently re-falling for Radiohead after hearing the Thom Yorke/Bjork duet. There's a cool mix, Yorke and AP. Listen to "Just" from "The Bends", then any AP 'rocker' since Black Sea, like "Merely A Man" et al... they need each other! Perfect excuse to *really rock* for both of them, cool side project, get the drummer from 311 and Kim Deal or better the original Smashing Pumpkins woman for bass, no gigs, coolness! 'Net only release, couldn't cost more than $50,000 to make, they could get that back off of CDNOW and Amazon sales alone, then it's pure profit... or do it for a charity? Won't piss off either band... hey a guy can dream... Duncan "man, Selway really improved between "Pablo Honey" and "The Bends", hm?" Watt -- email me: dwatt@fastestmanintheworld.com surf me: http://www.fastestmanintheworld.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:31:09 -0400
From: Richard Hamilton <shepham@frontiernet.net>
Subject: The Longing Look You Gave Me...
Message-ID: <B61B3F9D.ACD%shepham@frontiernet.net>
Quoth Hbsherwood@aol.com:
> May I once again point to the incredibly sublime "Harvest Festival,"
> which as far as I'm concerned is a perfect expression of Andy's "harmony
> of all that exists" religiosity? Think of the conflation of carnal and
> religious love that flows between the singer and the girl at the altar,
> all filtered through exquisitely observed nostalgia for childhood and its
> as-yet undisappointed possibilities. The mundane banality of the festival
> (itself a toothless echo of ancient celebrations of fertility) is
> suffused by something that I think Andy, if pressed, might call "God":
> The Longing Look.
While the aforementioned "longing look" is certainly the crux of the biscuit
(apologies to FZ) as Mr. Harrison so eloquently points out, I beg to differ
on the notion that this look necessarily promotes the "conflation of carnal
and religious love" or a notion of "God" specifically. In fact, through a
close reading (listening) of the lyrics, the "longing look" (the most
repeated phrase of the song) is essentially void of ANY attributable
meaning, outside the context of the speaker's feelings of fulfillment as its
result. Of course, a longing look that's "enough to keep me fed all year" is
a very inviting vessel one might be tempted to imbue with any number of
ideals (among them notions of God or love). The song ultimately succeeds,
however, (is "sublime"), not as a result of what the look "means", but
rather in what the look MIGHT mean. The purposeful ambiguity of the key
phrase (its meaningless-ness) is precisely what seems to make it meaningful.
Ultimately, the "look" raises more questions than it answers (as I think it
was intended, but that's another issue....).
Things we know about the look: it comes from one of the "two who have been
chosen", presumably as king and queen of the harvest festival (the
"toothless echo" of ancient fertility celebrations, as Mr. Harrison points
out). This notion is affirmed in the very next verse with the children with
hair like "corn, neatly combed in their rows." The connection between the
peaches in tins/two who have been chosen/children with combed hair: all are
products of the harvest and the cycles of life and death. The look occurs at
this point (and henceforth will be recollected in memory by the speaker) and
is described as a "longing look". "Longing" is generally understood as a
"strong desire," that can be used with either negative or positive
connotations when read in context (except that context here is incomplete).
Without further clarification, we are left with the following (unanswered)
questions: Is the longing in the look a happy longing or a sad longing? What
is the relationship between the looker and the speaker (or, why does the
speaker receive the look)? Why is the look meaningful to the speaker? When
the speaker says its "enough to keep me fed all year" what does he really
mean?
The bridge in the song is in stark contrast to the naive symbolism promoted
by the festival ("What a year when the exams and crops all failed"),
representing an aberration or arrested development of growth ("we all grew
and we got screwed and scratched our nails"). The "invitation in gold pen"
comes "out of nowhere" to bring the song back to the verse and (this time)
the ritual of marriage ("see that you two got married"). Apparently, the
speaker is unaffected by this news as is indicated by his simple response,
"I wish you well" (hardly the words of a someone in love). Instead, the
speaker returns to the recollection of that look, which at this point seems
to be the only shred of meaning that remains from the harvest festival of
his youth.
Some final thoughts: what type of "harvest" yields only a "look"? Of course,
a "look" by definition is ineffable, it cannot be expressed in words. How is
a look then celebrated or re-enacted through ritual? Is the ritual itself
effective at conveying meaning with all of its gaudy symbolism, or would the
speaker argue that the "look", whatever it was, and despite its ambiguity
and lack of any evidence to substantiate it, holds something more? Or is the
search for meaning doomed to failure, relegated to feelings and memories of
the past?
Rich Hamilton
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:26:52 -0600 From: KirK.Gill@equifax.com Subject: Millions Message-ID: <85256982.0060961C.00@noteswetc15.fin.equifax.com> Roger writes: "The worst thing that could of happened to us humans was developing our brains." First of all, that would be "could HAVE happened." Secondly, while I appreciate what you're trying to say about how we have tended to treat the planet we live on, at the same time I find the concept that everything would be better without us nasty humans to be shortsighted. There's this thing that has come along with the development of our brains called "consciousness," which I happen to enjoy. It is the thing that makes it possible on one hand to appreciate a great XTC tune, or on the other to think to ourselves that we're destroying the world we live in, and maybe something should be done about it. You make me think of my two dogs, who have my whole back yard to themselves. Every couple of days I go out there and rake up all their poop for 'em. You know, if I didn't do that, they'd keep pooping until they lived on a huge pile of it. I don't know that it would ever enter their minds to clean it up. They'd just deal with it until the situation became unlivable, and then they'd die. Of course, if there weren't any nasty humans like myself around, they wouldn't have to stay in a relatively small yard; they'd have the whold world to poop in. It would certainly take a lot longer to make the whole world an unliveable field of poo, but it might happen eventually. Who's to say if humans didn't dominate this planet, that some other species might have taken over (or might STILL take over eventually)? A species without any consciousness of the ramifications of their acts? A species that would eat and poo and eat and poo until the whole planet is a bigger pile of shit than even humans have made of it? The reality is that humans don't exist apart from the natural world, we're part of it, subject to it's laws and forces, and the development of our brains is every bit as much an expression of nature as any leaf or tree or lake or volcano or solar corona or cosmic string or...................... What's funny is that it's that consciousness that makes intruders out of us, separates us as we try to observe and understand, only barely aware of how the simple act of our observing changes the systems that we're attempting to grasp. We are the test tube and the experiment and the scientist all at the same time. So here's one vote, at least, for continuing this brain development of ours. If for no other reason than to be able to enjoy the work of A. Partridge, et al............ k
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:17:18 -0400 From: "Rich Greenham" <rgreenham@thebear.net> Subject: Bumble Nova Message-ID: <fc.000f4ca3004f762e000f4ca3004f762e.4f7655@cfrb.com> I've had a couple of weeks to recuperate after Canadian Thanksgiving. And I really should be working on something else, but I can't resist... So, hot from the oven, here's some holiday content for veetube's bumble nova thingy: You want some stuffing I got some stuffing In my bird (In my bird) Where the bread crumbs Dance with onions Swirl with savory In my turkey (Roastin', bastin', tasty for you) We can play, on this day We can play at being Pilgrims We can pray, in our way We can pray `round My Butterball Mashed Potatoes Are made out of spuds That get creamed up with butt-err-err-err Mashed Potatoes Are heaped up in a bowl `Cause they're made by your Moth-err-err-err Lots of lumps, lots of lumps She makes them with lots of lumps And you better clean your plate I'm on seconds gasping Want to worship at the Mashed Potatoes Drowned in gravy `Til them spuds go swimming around Want to worship at those Mashed Let me worship at the Mashed Potatoes As my Mum would say after every meal, "Have you had sufficient?" Cheers! And Happy Thanksgiving to all those Chalkhillians to the south of the Great White North! Rich in Ottawa ps. Thank you, Sir Demon Brown!
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:32:59 -0800 From: William Loring <bloring@tirerack.com> Subject: *** FREE Crimson ticket if you act now!!! *** Message-ID: <B61B6A3B.8043%bloring@tirerack.com> Okay folks, I'm running out of time. I still have a single Crimson Ticket for November 1st. The show is at the Park West Theater. I can't go because I'll be sitting on an airplane, flying back from stinking Las Vegas. I arrive in Chicago too late to make the show. Sometimes life just sucks. But hey, my loss is your gain! Here's the deal: Because no-one has responded to my original post selling this ticket for the face value of $35.00, and because I'm such a stunningly nice person, I'll -give- this ticket to some lucky midwestern Chalker, if you can get your info to me on time. First person to respond, gets the ticket. Simple enough? Here are the details: Band: King Crimson (Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Trey Gunn, Pat Mastelotto) When: Wednesday, November 1st, 7:30pm. Doors open at 6:00pm Where: Park West, Chicago, IL How much: Free!! If you respond quickly! How to respond: Send an e-mail to bloring@tirerack.com. Make sure you send me contact and address info, so I can mail the ticket right away. We don't have much time left!! Good Luck! William Loring
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:40:39 -0700 From: Ed Kedzierski <ed.kedzierski@chromaticsoftware.com> Subject: God told me to flame your ass Message-ID: <08B5DDC2BABCD311BFC6005004A884B013B84F@mgcservices.com> Well, first of all, in 6-288, newcomer Robert Miner said: >I've never seen a mailing list more obsessed with religion.< No, you just happened to come in in the midst of a big religious snit-fest. Nothing unusual, although I think discussions of Dear God are usually the starting points for these, unlike this time. You could have started reading at some other time and think "I've never seen a list more obsessed with gun control" or "I've never seen a list more obsessed with whether some other artist than the one the list is devoted to sucks or not (Phil Collins, anyone?)" or "I've never seen a list so obsessed with itself and what's allowably on or off topic" etc. This thread will die off soon enough (most people's posts are already taking on an "In conclusion" tone), and will no doubt be back someday along with other old favourites and even some real discussion of XTC. Don't worry about it (you might want to check out the back issues to get an idea of some of the "cyclical topics that continually return from the grave" if you're entertained by that sort of thing). Oh, and hello, welcome, etc. Also in 6-288, Harrison said: My post in #286 implied that all sides were equally guilty of reviving our periodic bouts of unpleasantness over religion. Stupidly, I didn't carefully review the origins of the debate, and failed to make the connection between Jayne's very moving post about the loss of a relative, and Amy's tender and humane offer of comfort in Jayne's sorrow. Exactly. This throws everything, especially Brian's rather inconsiderate reaction to someone's heartfelt condolences into a different light... I does seem to me that we're talking manners and sensitivity here, more than whose beliefs are more worthy. I had in fact forgotten completely about the source of this thread, and can only imagine the horror and shame I would feel if a fellow "unbeliever" sneered at someone's beliefs while that person was trying to offer solace in a moment of grief. Brian was just showing off without regard to the feelings of someone in a vulnerable place, and seemed to assume that he had been presented with a consequence-free excuse to jump onto something. The whole thread went off track when people focused on the opportunity to have a battle about religion rather than the argument being about sensitivity towards people's feelings. My take on this kind of thing is basically "believe as strongly and as extremely as you like, but remember to let sentiment and your own inner "Mr. Big Softy" act as a brake when dealing with flesh and blood, feeling human beings." Personally, I'm more of an agnostic with occasional "seeker tendencies", I just say atheist when dealing with dogmatic types who want to incorporate their conception of sin into secular law. I just generally get along better with people who believe what they do because it resonates with who they are than with hardline literal fundamentalist types (that's true of any belief system). I've known plenty of intelligent, open Christians who actually respond to questions about their beliefs by trying to answer rather than becoming enraged at the mere act of questioning, but I'll admit that literal fundamentalists can get my hackles up a bit. I've read too much about Gnosticism, early Christianity, and generally how much the documents composing the bible have been edited, censored, and just "done over" to ever buy the fundamentalist line that every word (in translation, yet!) is to be taken literally as having been dictated by the big G hisself (see just about any book by Elaine Pagels and the English translation of the Nag Hammadi Library). That doesn't mean that there's no truth to be found, just that it's not all literal, and you need to use your brain and feelings in finding it, and don't just blindly follow professional clergy types (true of all the major holy documents of the big religions). I remember I once took a religious studies class in college, covering introductions to eastern religions such as Hinduism and Buddism. The instructor positively gushed at the beauty he found in these systems of belief, and the things that western spirituality could learn from them. Not such an original idea these days (or then), I suppose, but I soon learned that the instructor was in fact a Catholic priest, although he only ever wore a normal suit. Less surprisingly, it turned out that he was forever in trouble with the bishop and church authority for speaking out against church policies he disagreed with, suggesting that other faiths were valid, etc., but he never let himself get pressured into shutting up, quitting or leaving the church he so clearly believed he was helping to improve. He wasn't being allowed to practice as a parish priest, hence the teaching job, but he hadn't let them defrock or kick him out either. This guy had more faith in the essential goodness of the world as a whole, and in the people around him (when he looked at you, you believed yourself to be a good person, you could feel his belief in that so tangibly) than I have in the fact that my own two legs will hold me up when I stand. I'm always reminded of him when I think of the type of "good religious person" that I like and respect. Unfortunately, these loving positive types often don't get very far up the chain of command (whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh) in organized religions, they just don't seem constitutionally suited to it. As with all human social structures, positions of power within churches (and don't think you're exempt if your're protestant, or even of a completely unrelated faith) end up in the hands of power seekers, who often use their own interpretation of scripture to maintain their own power, which means a very restrictive and literal-minded interpretation. What we end up with is a process that should be all about opening up (spirituality, "true" religion, whatever you like) being twisted into something that's all about clamping down. That's how we end up with the whole pinch-faced American Gothic lemon-sucking-Calvinist "laughing is sinful" image of Christianity that turns so many of us off. Harrison also said: >Need anything more be said? Could it be any clearer? THERE IS A REASON WE DON'T DISCUSS RELIGION IN PUBLIC. Well, as much as a sucky idealistic part of me wants to say "but nothing should be a restricted topic among reasonable people", I guess recent goings on seem to prove your point... (and I realize I'm saying this just after rambling on about religion myself, but I'm not trying to put anyone down, just get across how I feel in this area) To Tom Kingston: I wasn't trying to piss you off, and I'm not trying to now, but all you've really convinced me of is to transfer more of my scorn for Castaneda to his skills (or lack thereof) as an author. It was in fact the third volume you mentioned that I cast aside just into the first chapter when it looked for all the world like it was just going to be more of the same. Maybe it's the fact that I was about 17. Anyway, I ended up throwing him over for the likes of Wilson and Leary, whether you think that's foolish or not is pretty irrelevant now, as it's been a long time since I've been in that place (see Bowie's Quicksand: "Cause I ain't got the power anymore...") Actually, I read up on piles of that kind of stuff for a good full couple of years before even touching psychedelics, and had a real "seeker" attidude about them, including being insufferably snobbish towards contemporaries who used them as party favours. What a little snotbag I was. Ah well. The "boy in blue" thing... I remember this going on when I started reading the list, looong before I ever de-lurked. I was strongly tempted to post then (but I felt I had the big de-lurk, history of XTC-listening post to get done first before posting about particular topics, which took me a good year to get around to doing), because this was one of the most bogus lyric-interpretation arguments I'd ever read. I never imagined him as anything other than a cop, and that was first listen, before pulling out the lyrics as I got more into ES. The weakest argument I can remember (I'm as lazy as the next guy when it comes to archive-fishing) reading from that thread was the idea that Andy never would have used the word "boy" to refer to a policeman because it would have been "disrespectful"! Of course, no one would ever be less than worshipfully respectful of the police in a pop song! (And I'm not saying Andy is a Molotov-throwing "off the pigs" anarchist or anything, but come on, he's not exactly Mr. Authority-worshipper either) And as far as I can recall (no specifics, sorry) the term "boys in blue" always had more of an affectionate ring to it than a derisory one (and proprietary: "our boys in blue who keep us safe" etc). And the first verse sets the scene, that doesn't mean it can only list the family members. That's just silly. Sorry. Actually, Drums & Wires was more my punk-days jumping around with spiky hair album, more than Black Sea. I'll make a little confession here: I didn't listen to Black Sea all the way through until I became a full-on XTC fan. When I was just a casual, er, "appreciator", and XTC was just a group I liked among many others putting out stuff at the time, I played D&W all the way through pretty regularly, and usually just played BS for Respectable Street and Generals & Majors. Obviously, you don't need to tell me that I was missing out (and I like to think I've played and re-played it enough to make up for early neglect). Some years later, I bought "Look Look" and seeing the video to "Towers of London" actually got me to really listen to side two for the first time. Isn't that shocking? (Maybe if they'd stuck with the "Terry and the Lovemen" idea...) On the other hand, I already had a copy when I became interested, so I had that nice experience of discovering a bit of neglected treasure already in my own collection... Oh, and the good ol' Mole said: Does anyone know if Sony were consulted before their corporate name was used in "Respectable Street". I can't remember ever hearing about Sony being ticked off about it but I was listening to it last night and I was thinking how if that song was released today Sony would probably sue them faster than Brittany Spears changes clothes. Anyone have any insights? I don't know for sure, but I think that the extreme "we'll sue you're asses off if you so much as mention us without approval, whether you say anything negative about us or not" thing is relatively recent, though I'm surprised they didn't run into the old BBC "free advertising" thing that got us "cherry cola" in "Lola". Things have become pretty ridiculous lately, though. I wrote a low-budget comedy, and was surprised at the things that the director, a friend of mine, had to cut for fear of legal trouble. One scene involving a character trying to use a series of credit cards that are declined and cut in half had to be cut to the degree that the joke was destroyed, due to the fact that he was afraid to use names like "Visa" etc. without permission (and trying to get it was beyond our budget; I had foolishly though that keeping the script low budget merely meant avoiding big stunts and special effects). At this point, Respectable Street is probably quite safe, as it's been out there for so long. Same with Monty Python's "Bicycle Repairman" sketch; try putting something on TV these days featuring people wearing the proprietary Superman costume design without permission and see how long it takes for DC comic's (a division of Time-Warner) lawyers to start breathing down your neck. Now, of course, it's been around so long, it's considered a "classic" and Python are so respected that DC wouldn't dare do anything other than laugh it off, but try doing the same thing now... I think the absolute "maintain strict control of our name, even when it's just so much as mentioned" attitude didn't really start to get as rigid as it is now until into the 80s, but I could of course be wrong... Still patiently looking forward to the stuff Mitch was telling us about (I was in a record store the other day, and was slightly depressed by the fact that I currently have no reasons left to check the XTC section of the rack...I started almosy automatically to walk towards the aisle where the alphabet ends, only to realize "Shit! There's nothing left! I've got everything, at least that a normal, non-collector/specialty record store like this is going to have!") Ed K. If you believe in nothing, honey, It believes in you For God's sake don't waste any faith on me -Robyn Hitchcock "Ye Sleeping Knights of Jesus"
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:59:27 +0100 From: Adrian Ransome <Adrian.Ransome@tsi-ltd.co.uk> Subject: Fudge! Message-ID: <497FEA72C392D3118AE700508B731177B431EC@NT4SERVER03> Ryan Anthony revealed of his retriever/collie Susan B Anthony: >she and the Airdale have (gasp!) licked >out the fudge pan dozens of times Oooh! Matron! I'm not sure that's the sort of information you should be divulging in a public forum...... ; ) Adrian
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:48:27 -0400 From: sjacobs <sjacobs@parkgrp.com> Subject: Re: Poozies Message-ID: <B61C4EDB.2B7%sjacobs@parkgrp.com> on 10/25/00 1:23 AM, <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> at <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> wrote: >>> Has everyone else heard. The Poozies sing "Love on a farmboys wages?" > >>> The best cover ever. > > Well S, I have heard a couple of XTC covers and I tell ya I will see > your Poozies and raise you "Making Plans for Nigel" by the Burning > Heads. A bit obscure but I reccomend searching it out. Nigel as a > 'punk' as it were is "quite" fun. > > themolefromtheministry Ok, challenge accepted...but tell me this! I never realised how much of a traditional folk song, "Love on a Farmboys wages" was until I heard The Poozies. You know it really could be an Olde English traditional folk song. Hidden influences everywhere...sometimes it takes a different light to realise it. So much cool Reggae hidden in XTC as well....no really!! \ All the best mateys Yakin
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:24:42 -0400 From: "Brian" <mattone@bhip.infi.net> Subject: Re: New EeeZee Skip Chalkhills Message-ID: <004e01c03e7e$8e4a2880$570affd1@Brian> Tschalkgerz! >Just got back from two weeks in sunny Florida - nicer part of the world >than I expected it to be.< You are lucky. The last few weeks around here have been some the absolute BEST weather we've had here in quite a while. Pat yourself on the back! >I'd like to thank those of you who made it so easy for me to catch up with >the eight outstanding issues of Chalkhills by filling them with YARDS of >self-serving afterlife opinions.< You are quite welcome. >I don't doubt the validity of ANYONE'S beliefs but c'mon guys 'n gals - >we're all friends here (aren't we?), and no matter what others say, are >any of us going to change our beliefs at this stage of our life? I don't >think so. Friends? That would be a stretch. Some of you know each other personally, I'm sure, so that's the place and time for friendship. There must be another word for the relationships, as such, that are forged between those who only interact with each other online. >At least I was able to skip two thirds of the content - makes the Middle East look like a minor spat!< Funny you should bring that up... to what problem - besides real estate acquisition - can we trace that little fracas back to? >Sounding a bit like Yoda, my message is simple: Believe, or don't believe. >You have a choice - make it. It's a bigger issue than that, as far as I'm concerned. BTW, to all: I loathe how I was not allowed my own personal take on XTC song lyrics around here, and how several people here have decided, in their anger against me (which says quite a bit, IMHO) to resort to language that I personally have decided not to just throw around hither and yon, in the interest of maintaining SOME civility. Just thought you ought to know. -Brian Matthews http://www.stonetrek.com Insistence ain't existence
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:15:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ira Lieman <ilieman@yahoo.com> Subject: Co-inky-dink? Message-ID: <20001025131546.5324.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I now work in downtown Manhattan, and I take the subway to get there. I'm listening to Oranges & Lemons on random play (so I can tune in something other than the wandering harmonica players) and the guy standing next to me (closer than my wife would, but it wasn't by choice) opens the New York Post to the article "Garden of Beefy Delights" (link: http://nypost.com/living/13882.htm) as Track #1 comes thru the headphones. (That's "Garden of Earthly Delights" to the unaffiliated...) What a beautiful world this must be for such synergy on the E train. Let's Go Mets! -ira
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:17:32 -0400 From: MinerWerks <dminer@gte.net> Subject: Always Winter, Never Christmas Message-ID: <a04310100b61c58e1a64b@[63.23.192.146]> Where are all the musicians? Where is everyone who shared their massive lists of instruments and recording gear? When I made the suggestion of compiling a Chalkhills holiday album, I heard from TWO people. I think more people were interested in contributing to the mythical cover-all-songs-of-XTC collection... But, just in case it was overlooked or some of you may reconsider, I'm suggesting it again. I'd like to make a CD of holiday songs BY the members of Chalkhills FOR the members of Chalkhills. As an example of something more elaborate, someone wrote me suggesting they might rewrite Andy's Merry Christmas jingle from a promotional record into a full song in a Beach Boys-ish style. But I'm interested in other ideas, too. If you've written any original holiday songs (Thanksgiving, Xmas, New Years, Chanukah, Kwaanza, Boxing Day, or anything else celebrated in November or December), consider submitting them for this collection. If you're rewriting a song for Vee's Turkey Pluto "exhibition", consider putting it to music and submitting it! If you have a favorite holiday song, and you can make it sound more XTC-ish, by all means, give it a shot!! If you don't have a lot of resources or musical instruments at your disposal, consider recording a brief message or greeting to the members of Chalkhills. I'd be happy to include those as well. I'd like to hear from anyone who might be interested in doing this, but I'll need to know fast. If I don't hear from anyone else (other than the wonderful people who already contacted me), then I'll assume there's not much interest in this idea and I'll cancel it. = Derek = dminer@gte.net
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:50:51 +0900 From: "John Boudreau" <aso1@mocha.ocn.ne.jp> Subject: Bi-assed ? Message-ID: <000401c03e91$3d6b5c00$735791d2@johnboud> Tyler Hewitt wrote : >The following >book was recommended last time around: >The Case For Faith : A Journalist Investigates the >Toughest Objections to Christianity " . It is by Lee >Strobel and published by Zondervan Publishing House >Zondervan Publishing is a very large Christian >publishing firm. It's not going out on a limb to >suggest that the reporting in this book might be a >little biased. Name me one newspaper or nightly news program that isn't biased . You gonna stop reading newspapers and watching the news ( might be a great idea actually ... ) ? Does that mean what they say is not necessarily true ? I thought you open-minded wanderers out there would be interested in reading the OTHER side of the story . You are already dismissing this book without having read it because it was written by an athiest turned Christian , and the publisher has not printed warning labels on the book saying WARNING : THIS BOOK MAY CONTAIN BIAS ! ... Did the publisher of Charles Templeton's book " Farewell to God : My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith " go " out on a limb " to suggest that the book might be a little biased ? Or any other book about atheism for that matter ? Why are Christian publishers held to a different standard ? Your remarks show YOUR prejudice . Sushiman
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