Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 289
Date: Tuesday, 24 October 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 289
Tuesday, 24 October 2000
Topics:
God to my dog
Skylarking = Perfection
Name Change and other things
God Talk
Americans for XTC
Lillywhite is off...
trainspotting (HO scale)
RE: New EeeZee Skip Chalkhills
Martin Newell's Spirit Cage and more.
The Orchid Show Video
I'm taking the catamaran out for a nice sail around my soul
Thinkist Me Not? What? Yes I agree!
ROTFL!!
You are a lazy SOD!
more on religion, atheism, etc
chalkchalkhillshills andand religionreligion
Re: Immaculate Reception
Back From The Dead
Re: God is perturbed at you!.. Brian!
Go-o-o-o-o-oold
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:37:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Anthony <hamsterranch@yahoo.com> Subject: God to my dog Message-ID: <20001021063735.10364.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> I suggest a round of applause for our cuddlesome and remarkably patient sensei, Mr. Relph, for refraining from blowing his whistle and ordering all of us out of the pool during the recent religion thread. Even if he maybe shoulda. Here in the tiny universe known as the Anthony Hamster Ranch, I am god. One of my dogs, an Airdale, is really a cat in disguise and heretically deems me no better than a slow, oafish servant, but the other, a retriever-collie mix yclept Susie B. Anthony, is a true believer. She lies down and worships me -- Bringer of Food, Refresher of the Water Bucket, Opener and Closer of Doors, Master of Light and Darkness, Driver of Heaven's Chariot, Conductor of Hidden Orchestras, Scratcher of Ears and Tummy, Dispenser of Pills and Treats -- with soft brown eyes. She's doing it right now, and not because she wants anything, just because she loves me. No, wait, it's the cinnamon raisin bagel in my hand. Here you go, Susie. I guess you can petition the Lord with prayer. This lord, at any rate. That's my infallible take on religion, and if you don't like it, you can go to Cat. Ryan Anthony An independent Internet content provider P.S.: Please, don't anybody screech at me, "Don't feed your dog bits of cinnamon raisin bagel! It'll kill her!" Susie is eleven years old in human years, and not only has she survived ingesting several hundred bagel-bits, she and the Airdale have (gasp!) licked out the fudge pan dozens of times with no apparent ill effect, except maybe sleepiness, and they're old dogs, so how can you tell? P.P.S.: Heaven is paved with doggie beds.
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:20:39 +1000 From: "Central Intelligence Agency" <dracon@worldreform.net> Subject: Skylarking = Perfection Message-ID: <000d01c03bb5$89006e00$290ffea9@dracon> There was a day when I would've told you that English Settlement was better than Skylarking. But that was before I bought Skylarking and English Settlement. I just played both back to back and I'm telling you this, Skylarking is from heaven, but English Settlement is the work of mere mortals. Somewhere between 1982 and 1986 the Swindon trio must have achieved deification, despite "Dear God". The Rundgren/Partridge affair has created some of the best Pop I have ever heard. I was once an atheist, but then I heard Skylarking........ Cheers! Clifford Smith
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:46:30 -0400 From: "squirrelgirl" <squirrelgirl@hitter.net> Subject: Name Change and other things Message-ID: <001d01c03bca$0090dc20$8249c0cf@meredith-s> Howdy 'Hillians! Time for my bimonthly de-lurk. "Central Intelligence Agency" wrote: >I think it would've been a lot easier if XTC didn't call themselves XTC, >because people the wrong impression about them just from the Band Name. Is >it about time for them to get a name change? Let's suggest new names for >XTC!! Well, I guess that disproves the "It's all in the name" theory. I heartily enjoyed the religion discussions - something I usually don't touch with a 39 1/2 foot pole. But then things degenerated into a kindergartenish name-calling fest. And I nearly busted a gut at Mr. Sherwood's post explaining his sarcasm - for some reason it just struck me as funny that he had to explain... Then Chris Vreeland's reply - priceless. I like the idea of a concrete collection of art, poems, etc. - there are already places on the websites where those musically inclined folks can download or upload or whatever it is they do, to make their music available to the rest of us. Check it out. However, I (who finally received my final issue of LE about a month ago) really do miss the "connection" that LE brought. Yes, the websites and digests bring us info a lot faster than snail mail, and I certainly appreciate that (Thanks for the update Mitch). But the feel of a real issue of LE, with pictures of artwork and people in their handmade shirts and their XTC-PMG car license plates (wonder if they've changed it since Dave left) can never be matched. So, a nicely produced artsy-fartsy "tribute" would be welcome - complete with the neat marbled paper and lots of those little details that make most LE/Chalkhills things so special. Jason Feehan: I thought you must be nuts - how could something like that ever get onto Testimonial Dinner? So I went back and listened 5 or 6 times, and by gosh by golly, it *does* sound like that's what he's saying! Mind you, I'm listening over my computer speakers which aren't the greatest, but really, at a casual listen that's sure what I now hear. That's all for now - time for my non-denominational worship service at the altar of Posturepedic. SG
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:54:07 -0700 From: "Victor Rocha" <wstsidela@mediaone.net> Subject: God Talk Message-ID: <004e01c03c6a$383a03e0$34548218@we.mediaone.net> SYWPTYRP = famous chalkhills saying Victor Rocha (Pechanga Band of Luiseoo Indians) California Indian Gaming News Los Angeles, California www.pechanga.net
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:57:15 -0500 From: "Joe Funk" <twosheds@mindspring.com> Subject: Americans for XTC Message-ID: <00b401c03c94$94c775a0$7721fea9@user> Just thought this quote from non other than George Michael might stirs things up a bit... (God told me to change the subject.....) "In 1986, British artists (The Police, YES, Duran Duran, The Petshop Boys, Pink Floyd, George Michael, The Stones, Paul McCartney, Elton John, etc.) made 32% of the music sold in America. Today, they are responsible for 0.2%. " Why the change? .....The Plague...... ..Yes, ....The Plague......... ........The Plague of Hip-Hop Gangsta Rappa's...... Fortunately, I was inoculated... I surrounded myself with my music collection, (which is about 70% British), and just got a small rash in my eardrums from hearing the neighbor's music.. Ya see folks, I am an American for XTC!!! Give me that good ole' British pop any day of the week!! And a side of British Prog!!! Get your shots today, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!! Joe "MC Dynamo Cool T" Funk _____________________________________________ Two Sheds Website: http://www.eshelps.com/web/personal/twosheds/index.html
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:14:05 -0400 From: "Benjamin A. Gott" <bgott@bowdoin.edu> Subject: Lillywhite is off... Message-ID: <B619334C.2000%bgott@bowdoin.edu> Gang, I just found out that Dave Matthews Band has replaced Steve Lillywhite with GLEN BALLARD for their next album! I mean, c'mon! Read more here: http://www.typicalsituations.com/mtv.html Now I know that Glen Ballard is respected and all, what with his work with Alanis Morisette, No Doubt, and keyboards on weird 1980's albums like Al Jarreau's "High Crime," but he practically *invented* the big drum sound that made DMB what they are! It might seem like I'm overreacting, but I'm just steamed...That they could have this guy and let him go, after all the incredible work he's been doing for them...I fear there can only be trouble ahead for Mr. Matthews and his band... Of course, if anything good can come out of this, it must be that Mr. Lillywhite, now freed from the DMB sessions, can work on producing one of the other artists with which he doesn't feel "creative differences" (see article), like Guster, or Morrissey, or Joan Armatrading, (or Ben Gott). And I hear that those XTC blokes are due for another album sometime soon... -Ben
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:37:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: trainspotting (HO scale) Message-ID: <20001023043731.11220.qmail@web2105.mail.yahoo.com> In today's New York Times (Sunday, 10 /22/00) there's an article on our old pal Yazbek. It's basically about his career, how he ended up writing the Full Monty music. Anyways, there's a line in the article about his rock n roll roots. It specifically mentions that he is influenced by XTC and Andy Partridge.
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:19:52 +0100 From: "Smith, David" <David.Smith@tfeurope.com> Subject: RE: New EeeZee Skip Chalkhills Message-ID: <4BBE67B71C1DD411A23600508B65F71E68636A@tfsecmsg04.tfseur.co.uk> Hi fellow chalkdudes and warring fanatics . . . Just got back from two weeks in sunny Florida - nicer part of the world than I expected it to be. I'd like to thank those of you who made it so easy for me to catch up with the eight outstanding issues of Chalkhills by filling them with YARDS of self-serving afterlife opinions. I don't doubt the validity of ANYONE'S beliefs but c'mon guys 'n gals - we're all friends here (aren't we?), and no matter what others say, are any of us going to change our beliefs at this stage of our life? I don't think so. At least I was able to skip two thirds of the content - makes the Middle East look like a minor spat! Sounding a bit like Yoda, my message is simple: Believe, or don't believe. You have a choice - make it. **** In 285 Ed Kedzierski wrote about skipping songs and included "I Can't Own Her". Aaaargh! Each to their own of course, but am I alone in thinking that song contains one of the most uplifting, evocative and, frankly, EROTIC lines ever: "How I'd wash her hair like the swirling sky" Shivers down the spine, my chiffon is wet . . . and all that . . . ***** Ed also defended singers who "can't sing" - good call Ed, I'd add Ian Dury, Elvis Costello and Bob Dylan to that list. Try and imagine an Elvis Costello song sung by Pavarotti - it just ain't gonna work now is it? Having said that, Joe Cocker simply can't sing. **** Old hat now but the "Where were you when Lennon . . ." thread. I too was 16, and because it happened evening, New York time, it was gone midnight before the news hit London. I was already deep in the land of nod and, being anything but a morning person, was sufficiently sleepy enough the next morning to miss it on the radio that Mum always had on in the kitchen (our house was the proverbial madhouse in the mornings with me off to school, sister off to college and both parents off to work). I didn't find out until a friend of mine came up to me at school with the dreaded line "Have you heard the news . . .". It took a bit of comprehending, but not being a massive Beatles fan and not really liking Lennon's solo stuff, it didn't resonate with me as anything other than very sad for him and the real fans. Whilst I sympathise with those whose lives were turned upside down, I would have been amazed at myself if it had reduced me to even a mild funk, let alone tears or depression. A bit like Princess Di - except that I actively ridiculed those who believed life as we know it ended the day she did. It had a chilling resonance however a few years later. In the early 80s my schoolboy mates and I had those "catch phrases" which we all thought were funny - but were actually about as funny as an acid enema. These included mandatory responses to certain questions, such as: If you were asked "what's new?" you were duty bound (remember this was the 80s) to reply "microchip technology, hur hur hur". If a friend broke up with a loved one - no matter how badly they were hurting, someone was HONOUR BOUND to say "never mind, there's plenty more fish in the sea, snigger" The third (here's the relevance) was the response to the question "have you heard the news" to which the response (for at least 5 years) was "John Lennon's dead, har har". Anyway, in 1989, I turned up for work one day and sat at my desk, only to be confronted by a fellow workmate who said "have you heard the news". Instinctively and quick as a flash I retorted "John Lennon's dead?". He looked at me like I was deranged for a second or two and then said "no, Derek Brown". Derek Brown sat three desks away from me, and had committed suicide the previous night. It shook me to the core, and somehow the "joke" wasn't very funny after that. **** Anyhooooo . . . finally, a reason for me to hate Virgin slightly less - whilst in Orlando I happened into the Virgin Megastore at Downtown Disney. I emerged with the CDs of Go2, Big Express, Skylarking and Rag'nBone Buffet - for a grand TOTAL of $20. Now THAT'S how to get revenge! Har harrrrrr, CD collection ALMOST complete, can throw away some more muffled, scratchy cassettes - can marvel at just how great Skylarking is. If we DO make the fans tribute album (I know, I know!) can I exclusively reserve the right to do "Another Satellite"? Can I, pleeeeeeeeaaaase? Smudge "fa fa fa fa fa fa ta ta taaaaa" Boy EMail: david.smith@tfeurope.com
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Wildman Of Wivenhoe <cleanersvenus@yahoo.com> Subject: Martin Newell's Spirit Cage and more. Message-ID: <20001023141904.28357.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Chalkfolk Martin Newell's, first new album in over 6 years, The Spirit Cage is finally out on Cherry Red records. Andy Partridge was drafted in at the last minute to master the whole thing, and he did a fantastic job. Check out www.cherryred.co.uk for ordering info. It is available, people have already bought it. Chalky types may also be interested in an exclusive tribute CD to Martin Newell that will be released at the end of this month. It features (amongst a host of others) XTC friends, Mitch Friedman and R Stevie Moore as well as Stuart Moxham and one Dave Gregory ESQ. For more info on this and everything else Newelly related, check out www.martinnewell.co.uk ReNewell the Martin Newell tribute website will soon be fully online at www.renewell.net All the best Paul
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:16:14 -0400 From: np80@columbia.edu Subject: The Orchid Show Video Message-ID: <39F4725E.18731.774708@localhost> Dear Chalkhillers, We now have the Orchid Show available on Video. The price for the video is $25.00 + shipping. We have only VHS NTSC (American System) copies available at this time. "The Orchid Show takes the choreographer and her six immensly appealing dancers into the outer stratospheres of giddininess... inspired to the heights of whimsicality...." (The New York Times, June 2000) For further Information about the video please contact: Jason Marchant at the Neta Dance Company, email: np80@columbia.edu
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:21:49 GMT
From: Jennifer Geese <jlg@svsu.edu>
Subject: I'm taking the catamaran out for a nice sail around my soul
Message-ID: <200010232223.PAA27335@sgiblab.sgi.com>
But first...
From: Hbsherwood@aol.com
Subject: Matthew 5:1-3
5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain:
and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
5:3 Shut the fuck up, Brian.
What happened to SYWPTYRP, Harrison?? :)
Regarding the Ruben Blades comment, I believe that it has
been mentioned before on the 'hills, but here goes. I
don't remember the first part of the quote, and can't
listen to it again, because I'm at school, but I believe
the part that sounds like "Man, I hate that XTC." actually
should be "a la gente de XTC" which translates roughly
to "to the people of XTC" (and let's not get into why we're
using the feminine article to refer to a group of men).
Any native or fluent speakers of Spanish who want to
confirm or refute, please feel free to do so.
Jen
"Me gustan mas XTC"
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:04:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: Thinkist Me Not? What? Yes I agree! Message-ID: <20001024020423.3086.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Sjacobs Opined >>Has everyone else heard. The Poozies sing "Love on a farmboys wages?" >>The best cover ever. Well S, I have heard a couple of XTC covers and I tell ya I will see your Poozies and raise you "Making Plans for Nigel" by the Burning Heads. A bit obscure but I reccomend searching it out. Nigel as a 'punk' as it were is "quite" fun. themolefromtheministry
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:11:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: ROTFL!! Message-ID: <20001024021133.4078.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> From: Lord Almighty <brianthisisgod@yahoo.com> Subject: God is perturbed at you!.. Brian! Which ever one of you beautiful crazed people posted this........... THANK YOU!!! I laughed so hard I literally cried. Brilliant!! I applaud your effort! themole 'ever your servent' from the ministry
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: You are a lazy SOD! Message-ID: <20001024021723.4869.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> From: "William Sherlock" <bdsherlock@earthlink.net> wrote: >Subject: jump > >Any collectors (or anyone with knowledge) out there...was "Jump" ever >released except as an extra track on the Mummer CD? The answer is Yes. John Relph keeps a meticulous XTC Discography on the Chalkhills .org site. Go repay some of John's hard work and GO LOOK IT UP YOU LAZY SOD! Honestly people, show a little effort. the mole fuming in the ministry
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:56:07 EDT From: Poisongold@aol.com Subject: more on religion, atheism, etc Message-ID: <64.7ab9c99.27265447@aol.com> In a message dated 10/23/00 10:35:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> errs: << It's quite reasonable to argue that atheism is itself a kind of religion. It is, after all, often based on a kind of certainty about the fundamental nature and origin of the universe - both complete unknowns. ... The tendency to dismissively reject other belief systems as primitive and obviously foolish - with our belief system the one final, reasonable (scientific) Truth - is also characteristic of the more fundamentalist religions.>> Two words: Occam's razor. Six more: Wishful thinking doesn't make it so. << The corporate capitalist system - which runs our economies, politics, schools, media - doesn't want us worrying about deeper issues; it wants us consuming, buying, producing >> I'm a strong supporter of corporate capitalism, and I'm not exactly a conspicuous consumer. My stereo is 18 years old, for example, and I buy clothes when the ones I have are too worn out to be presentable. Capitalism (in its pure form, not the politically contaminated mixed economies of the "capitalist" world) is the one and only economic expression of "DO WHAT YOU WILL BUT HARM NONE." And that, my friends, is what passes for XTC content in my posts. MJC
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: chalkchalkhillshills andand religionreligion Message-ID: <20001024044600.7646.qmail@web2106.mail.yahoo.com> Wow-the same chalhills twice at the same time! thought I was seeing double! Wow-the same chalhills twice at the same time! thought I was seeing double! OK I'm sick of arguments for/against: god/religion/lack thereof/athiesm/etc. Just like the pathetic election facing the bloated U.S., my guess is that only 10% of us havent made up our minds on this issue, and long boring posts to a music oriented newsgroiup ain't gonna change much. That said, gotta point out something. The following book was recommended last time around: The Case For Faith : A Journalist Investigates the Toughest Objections to Christianity " . It is by Lee Strobel and published by Zondervan Publishing House Zondervan Publishing is a very large Christian publishing firm. It's not going out on a limb to suggest that the reporting in this book might be a little biased.
------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 00 01:58:40 MDT From: Jeremy Mathews <nsps@usa.net> Subject: Re: Immaculate Reception Message-ID: <20001024075840.11705.qmail@nwcst282.netaddress.usa.net> > From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> > > Does anyone know if Sony were consulted before their corporate name was > used in "Respectable Street". I can't remember ever hearing about Sony > being ticked off about it but I was listening to it last night and I > was thinking how if that song was released today Sony would probably > sue them faster than Brittany Spears changes clothes. Anyone have any > insights? This reply is based on American law, not British, and could therefore be useless. I can't say for sure if any permission was obtained, but most likely it was not. If it was, the lyrics in the liner notes would have a trade mark symbol and something about the Sony corporation. Example: Paul Simon said he never would have written "Kodachrome" if he'd known he'd have to put trademark information everywhere he used it. Based on free speech law, the lyric could be used, but "Sony" couldn't be written anywhere on the album, since that could be interpretted as an endorsement and therefore using their trademark to sell your product. That's why They Might Be Giants' "Niquil Driver" from John Henry was renamed "AKA Driver" and its lyrics are mysteriously ommited. I'm sure this was no help at all, and in hindsight I should have answered with a consise "I don't think so." Jeremy Mathews www.nsps.net
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 06:27:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Al LaCarte <allacarte@yahoo.com>
Subject: Back From The Dead
Message-ID: <20001024132751.3562.qmail@web1611.mail.yahoo.com>
All:
There is a perfectly good website (with a 24 hour chat
room) where atheism, agnosticism and faith can be
safely debated, defended, defamed, and derided.
("These are words with a "D" this time!")
http://atheism.about.com/religion/atheism/
Al
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:23:55 -0400 From: "Brian" <mattone@bhip.infi.net> Subject: Re: God is perturbed at you!.. Brian! Message-ID: <00bd01c03dbd$a9ad6400$800affd1@Brian> Tschalkgerz! >From: Lord Almighty <brianthisisgod@yahoo.com> > >My Son; > >Brian..Brian.. BRIAN!!!!! Behave yourself, or >Purgatory it will be!!! Cute, but I can set up an e-mail account somewhere, too, and be funny just like this. Ha-ha it is to laugh ha-ha. -Brian Matthews http://www.stonetrek.com Insistence ain't existence.
------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2000 05:45:24 -0700 From: unnabellaluna@planetpuppy.c008.sfo.cp.net Subject: Go-o-o-o-o-oold Message-ID: <20001024124524.27834.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Hola! Just wanted to give props to all my chalk peeps, and say that for the past three to four weeks I have been singing either "Castaway on a desert island..." or "It's OK, the setting sun will color everything around you gold" - and it's been GREAT! Castaway has some of my favorite bass action ever, which brings me to how F-ing (flipping) great CM is! I've always listened for the bass line ever since my Led Zeppelin worship days, and CM is such a joy to hear! My all time fave CM bass moment is definitely That Wave, although it's hard to say that one is the best when they're all so darn tasty! Moving on, I loaned AV1 to a friend of mine and his reaction cracked me up. After hearing Harvest Festival he said that AP's lyrics were so vague as to be irresponsible! I burst out laughing - what does that even mean? Later chalkdudes - I'm throwing some 'hills gang signs atcha! unnabellaluna
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