Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 209
Date: Thursday, 27 July 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 209
Thursday, 27 July 2000
Topics:
Cum again
Re: Evil Evil Song
Oops, I Did It One More Time
Even proggers like Xtc
XTC School Guide and CD
Re: poop, poop, poop music(talk about it)
Comedy Albums & "Molly You Hypocrite"
premaure ejaculation
They always take the person in the Ford Probe
buffet included with show
Byrds of a feather...
What would I do?
Re: In defense of rap
Barking Mad
Huey, the Unmentionable
Those G&C albums in full , in full
Re: River of Samples
Why I oughtta . . .
Let's get maudlin
Re: This Evil Song
<off topic> of Jeff, George & Macca & George..and Ringo
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:53:19 +0100 From: Belinda Blanchard <b.blanchard@which.net> Subject: Cum again Message-ID: <397DF02F.CC80D453@which.net> The Loving Spoonful were 9cc of average sperm ejaculated. 10CC added one cubic centimetre to show they were above average. XTC content: VH1 did their A-Z of the eighties again this weekend and XTC's Senses Working Overtime were the chosen song. Again. X-Files episode Hollywood AD this weekend on Sky was absolutely brilliant. Sorry - wrong digest list thing. Love BELINDA
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:02:49 -0700 From: Peter Mullin <pmullin@biocomp.unl.edu> Subject: Re: Evil Evil Song Message-ID: <397E38BA.AFA2F28A@biocomp.unl.edu> the tortured Debora Brown pleads: > what is the name of this evil song, and why, oh why is it inside my head? The answer to your first question is "Playground in my Mind" by the immortal Clint Holmes (the lyric that is torturing you actually runs: "My girl is Cindy, when we get married, we're gonna have a baby or two..." Michael appears in the first verse, as in: "My name is Michael, I got a nickel, I got a nickel shiny and new..." This is, without a doubt, one of the worst buckets of dreck foisted upon the radio-listening audience in the '70's (although Paul Anka, Terry Jacks, Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods, and whoever it was that sang "Wildfire" sure served up some steaming mounds themselves...) The answer to your second question may be similar to the reason why I actually know the title, lyrics, and "performer" of said dreck: EVERY TIME I HEAR 'PLAYGROUND' (that's, _our_ 'Playground'), I THINK OF THIS MONSTROSITY! I can't help it, I lived through the '70's: there are whole regions of my brain that have been stuffed with bad song lyrics and episodes of "Love American-Style" > Please just kill me now- No, we'll wait 'til you buy the little "etc." wall plaque -- Peter Mullin Somewhere in Nebraska "I'm gonna buy me all kinds of candy, that's what I'm gonna do..."
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:00:47 +0100 From: "Rory Wilsher" <rory_wilsher@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Oops, I Did It One More Time Message-ID: <001201bff734$c122b2e0$3ea4073e@oemcomputer> David Lake opines: <BTW, anyone notice that you can sing 'Baby, One More Time' note-4-note, word-4-word along with 'Oops, I did it again'?> Errm, yes. It's the first thing you notice about the song. I recently went to see "Supergirly" in London, who specialise in taking the piss out of the current boy/girl/boy&girl bands. They do a brilliant rendition of this (these?) song(s) in which they do precisely this - sing both songs at the same time. It's verr', verr' funny. But I guess you had to be there. Rory "I broke all your records and I played all your rules" Wilsher p.s. John, is this better?
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:49:42 -0700 From: "Hiatt, Randy" <Randy.Hiatt@fsbti.com> Subject: Even proggers like Xtc Message-ID: <F34536084B78D311AF53009027B0D7EAE3DA78@FSBEX01> Writers for Expose had these picks for 1999 http://www.expose.org/expo-boy.html Jon Davis listed his 1999 Best Of Year Choices New Releases: 1.Afro Celt Sound System - Volume 2: Release 2.Emily Bezar - Four Walls Bending 3.Garmarna - Vengeance (Vedergcllningen) 4.Mike Keneally - Nonkertompf 5.Lamb - Fear of Fours 6.Qoph - Kalejdoskopiska Aktiviteter 7.Neil Sadler - Theory of Forms 8.The Science Group - A Mere Coincidence 9.Sorten Muld - Mark II 10.The Tea Party - Triptych 11.XTC - Apple Venus Vol. 1 Archives & Collections: 1.Chrome - Chrome Flashback - Chrome Live 2.JPP - History 3.Mano Negra - Best Of Reissues: 1.No-Man - Speak 2.Snakefinger - Chewing Hides the Sound 3.Snakefinger - Greener Postures Steve Robey's 1999 picks were... New Releases: 1.Blast - A Sophisticated Face 2.Universal Totem Orchestra - Rituale Alieno 3.Blur - 13 4.The Hosemobile - What Can and Can't Go On 5.Masfel - Viperagarzon Viperflat 6.XTC - Apple Venus Vol 1 7.Fifty Foot Hose - Sing Like Scaffold 8.Olivia Tremor Control - Black Foliage 9.Crevice - Think of Pleasant Things 10.Neil Haverstick - Acoustic Stick 11.Paisley Babylon - The Alpha Wave Variations Archives: 1.Stan Freberg - Tip of the Freberg (box set) 2.Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - Grow Fins (box set)3.Can - Live Music (1971-1977) 4.Kraan - The Famous Years Compiled 5.King Crimson - Cirkus 6.Happy the Man - Death's Crown Reissues: 1.20th Century Zoo - Thunder on a Clear Day 2.Happy the Man - Happy the Man 3.moe. - Fatboy 4.Henry Cow - Unrest remastered 5.Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - The Mirror ManSessions 6.Happy the Man - Crafty Hands 7.The Fall - Dragnet 8.Skip Spence - The Oar 9.Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - Safe as Milk 10.Snakefinger - Chewing Hides the Sound Randy (closet proghead) Hiatt
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:12:42 -0700 From: Steven Reule <steven@obsessed-with-music.com> Subject: XTC School Guide and CD Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000725171242.0071db20@pop.calweb.com> Hello... If anyone is looking for the XTC School Guide book and CD, I am selling one on ebay. The CD has six early "Star Park" tracks. Go to: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/music@obsessed-with-music.com/ and click on the item number. Thank you, Steven music@obsessed-with-music.com
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:06:38 EDT From: Comicpub@aol.com Subject: Re: poop, poop, poop music(talk about it) Message-ID: <4a.8a7bb13.26af858e@aol.com> In a message dated 7/24/00 11:16:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brown <mb2@deltanet.com> writes: << All this jawin' about the worst song of the 70's has conjured up some lyrics from, what may be THE most wretched of all pop smears from that decade.. it goes something like this- "my name is Michael(?), when we get married, we're going to have a baby or two.. we're going to let them visit their grandma, that's what we're going to do.." it may be a girl's name in place of Michael, but Michael is in some of the verses.. Either way, what is the name of this evil song, and why, oh why is it inside my head? Please just kill me now- the tortured Debora Brown >> The song in question was called :PLAYGROUNDS IN MY MIND. One of the lines(and I'm quoting from memory here folks!) went: "My name is Michael .I've got a Nickel.I've got a nickel.Shiny and new. I'm going to by me all kinds of candy that's what I'm going to do!" Of course I happen to know a kid named Michael and we would torture this poor bastard by substituting "Pickle" for "Nickel" Ahhhhh!!!! Adolescent Humor!!! Is there any other kind!!! Later! Dan comicpub@aol.com
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Molly <mfanton99@yahoo.com> Subject: Comedy Albums & "Molly You Hypocrite" Message-ID: <20000726021923.8017.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Well, I LOVE anything by Monty Python and George Carlin. I also love albums by Dr. Demento. His radio show rocks, even though I don't get his show in my area, I listen to his show on the web. A few of you are going to call me a hypocrite when I say this, because of my viewpoint in the past about Napster, but I downloaded it a few days ago. *looks around for Lars Ulrich*. I'm one of those people who would check out a song, then buy the song if I liked it. Also, I've found some great songs that I haven't heard in YEARS like "Happy Birthday" by Altered Images. Molly ===== AIM Name: MFanton00 Website: http://www.angelfire.com/mn/mollyfa99/index.html Fave Quote: "If your flight is going rough, your soul will lead you to the nearest exit" - Jump - XTC (A. Partridge)
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: premaure ejaculation Message-ID: <20000726024638.13946.qmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com> Eb gave us a long list of bands that peaked with their first album. As much as that list made me cringe (Several of the acts on his list are among my all-time faves), I had to agree with all of it (except for possibly Throwing Muses and Laurie Anderson). Here's a couple of additions of my own: Arrested Development The Gun Club 1/2 Japanese Sugar any others?
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:00:20 -0700 From: "Wes Hanks" <whanks1@earthlink.net> Subject: They always take the person in the Ford Probe Message-ID: <001701bff6ad$db393dc0$49d285ce@default> As I do not listen to music I cannot add to the thread. Wes
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:54:02 -0700 From: "Wes Hanks" <whanks1@earthlink.net> Subject: buffet included with show Message-ID: <001601bff6ad$da1be6e0$49d285ce@default> Jr. High School Locker Partners, Ed K. reminded us: >One more awful band nobody's mentioned: >Huey Lewis and the News. Not to posit any type of theory that the New Family Friendly Las Vegas is by any means a hot bed of great musical acts...it's Las Vegas fer cryin out loud! "AKI, a Showgirl for the 21st Century!" But, the truly amazing thing which will cause you to drive knitting needles into your ears and eyes is that these cones of vanilla to this very day ask, and *get* on an all too regular basis, premium ticket prices at various Las Vegas strip casino showrooms. Wes "...and I saw an Ambrosia gig for the price of a G&T." Hanks
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:37:42 EDT From: WTDK@aol.com Subject: Byrds of a feather... Message-ID: <98.808561a.26afb706@aol.com> Ed said: > One more awful band nobody's mentioned: > Huey Lewis and the News. > > Maybe everyone just suppressed the traumatic memory of their horrible > garbage, I don't know. I'd be really surprised if anyone leaped to their > defence, but then again... I wouldn't leap to their defense re: their songs. The band did (as Clover) do a credible job backing Elvis Costello on My Aim is True. Additionally, Huey Lewis helped Nick Lowe score a minor hit by producing I Knew the Bride (When She Used To Rock'n' Roll). Eb gibber gabbered Artists who peaked with their first album? Creatively or commercially? In any case, ...The Byrds? Granted their first album is a great album but they made albums equaled the first one in terms of songwriting. I actually prefer their second album (particularly since they had more creative input---they didn't even play on their first single!).
------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 00 13:55:01 AES From: Paul.Culnane@dcita.gov.au Subject: What would I do? Message-ID: <0005dlfptvbr.0004cucqkyaa@dcita.gov.au> The entity know as "vee tube" asked in Chalkhills #204; as usual, apropos of nothing particularly coherent: >>What would YOU!DO?!?!?!?!?!?!<< 1) I would find out what drugs you're taking; and 2) Avoid said drugs like the plague. And my question is: Are there any other readers on this list who simply cannot understand what the bloomin' heck "vee tube" is on about most of the time? Oh well, as long as he/she/it is having fun, I suppose it's no big deal.
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:32:37 -0500 From: Paul.Allen@cancer.org Subject: Re: In defense of rap Message-ID: <OF6F22B4CE.C2E61A02-ON86256928.0047C555@cancer.org> I have a few strands from Digests 6-204 and 205 that I'm going to try and weave together here. In #6-205 Ol' Granpa, AKA KINGSTUNES, took an unnecessary shot at rap saying: >What happens with rap? I repeat: What happens with rap?? >Where's the fucking SONG? HMMMM? Now I love songs as much as the next guy, and I agree that people need them, but why can't rap co-exist and be appreciated? I am a rap fan, and while not too into the misogynistic or violent side of it, I do appreciate the art of it. Just because it doesn't speak to your experience or ear for music doesn't mean it has no validity. And I'm not talking about the Puff Daddy / Will Smith variety. I'm talking Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, De La Soul, Tupac, and P.M. Dawn. On that last note, Eb, in #6-204, included P.M. Dawn in a list of artists that peaked with their first album. I have to disagree here. I think their last two blow the first out of the water. Granted, they aren't really rap anymore. Some of you open-minded people on the list should check out their "Dearest Christian..." album. One reviewer called it the "Pet Sounds of hip-hop". The loose theme of it is a father writing songs to his child, and it is by turns beautiful, sharp, and devastating. Finally, because belated is better than nothing, my alien mothership disks, chosen to suit the changing moods that come along with abduction: 1. Miles Davis "Kind of Blue", for when I'm feeling cooler than everyone else 2. Til' Tuesday "Everything's Different Now", for whenever I feel lovelorn 3. Public Enemy "Fear of a Black Planet", for whenever I feel angry 4. XTC "Nonsuch", to calm me down 5. Beatles "The Beatles", as a catch-all (besides, Revolution #9 would drive the aliens nuts) I'd also try to find a way to smuggle Beach Boys "Pet Sounds", Elton John "Tumbleweed Connection", and something by the Carpenters. Anyone care to start a discussion on the latter? Paul
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:03:07 EDT From: IMSUNBAKE@aol.com Subject: Barking Mad Message-ID: <48.8b14288.26b02d7b@aol.com> Rory wrote: ... where I work there are a number of young-ish people who I am attempting to teach to use an analytical software programme. They're coming on in leaps and bounds on the programming, but whenever I set them a problem to solve without giving specific instructions on how to solve it, it seems they're totally lost. Is it just me or is the capacity to think for oneself steadily being removed by our education system? Or am I barking mad? -- Nope, you're not barking mad. Same on this side of the pond. I've worked in college PR in Washington, D.C. for 5 years now (2nd or 3rd career?), and I have noticed that the ability to "figure it out" is declining dramatically - generally speaking. I've seen students simply stop their quest if the answer is not at their fingertips. Not laziness so much as the attitude "what do I do NOW? Eh? Eh? Eh?" Then there are those tender young gems (I hope my profs thought I was one of them, but I remember being as dense as stone occasionally) who not only can "figure it out," but who are a pleasure to work with. I know! I know! I've met them! Some even know XTC! It's a 1000 Umbrellas Day in D.C.... Annamarie "I'm Finally Listening to Big Express" DeCarlo P.S. My 5 month odyssey into XTC is at a fever pitch, and I'm actually recognizing John Relph's lyric lines at the end of "administravia." Scare-eee. Boom Chaka Laka. Oops, that's Sly Stone ...
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:04:03 -0500 From: chris vreeland <vreecave@realtime.com> Subject: Huey, the Unmentionable Message-ID: <397EEFCC.B840DE9C@realtime.com> >From: Ed Kedzierski >Subject: One more stinky >One more awful band nobody's mentioned: >Huey Lewis and the News. In Australia, before they began importing women, many men were prosecuted for what was only referred to as "the unmentionable act." I posit the Mr. Luey and his Huey Deweys are one such unmentionable act, and therefore, you risk Chalkhills persecution. Carry on at your peril, sir. >Maybe everyone just suppressed the traumatic memory of their horrible >garbage, I don't know. I'd be really surprised if anyone leaped to >their defense, but then again... You've induced Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in me, and will hear from my lawyer accordingly. Not a chance in hell anyone will risk embarrassment by standing up to defend that utter waste of magnetic tape. (okay, Dom, prove me wrong) Best wishes, Chris "It's hip to be sick" Vreeland
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:53:41 +0100 From: Tim Harris <Tim@wordsrus.demon.co.uk> Subject: Those G&C albums in full , in full Message-ID: <OnT4WJAFFtf5EwX4@wordsrus.demon.co.uk> Between Ismism and History Mix is Birds of Prey (c 1983) which featured a pre-released single Save A Mountain for Me the last I'm aware of is Goodbye Blue Sky (1988). Lol Creme went on (possibly) to produce/direct an obscure film - I dont remember its title and have never seen it/heard of it since reading about it in the pre-production publicity. His name's cropped up again within the last year as part of an Art of Noise album about (I think) Dubussy. -- Tim Harris
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 06:31:01 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net> Subject: Re: River of Samples Message-ID: <l03130301b5a47ba986b0@[208.13.202.2]> >And where did Andy get those sounds for "River of Orchids" anyways? Did he >sample them off one of his old records? Buy them on a sample disc? Unless >he sat and recorded a string section and a bassoon playing those exact >riffs, he is no different from a rap producer in that regard, taking >pre-existing sounds, melodies and rhythms and coming up with something >new. Does anyone know where he got those sounds from? He sat and recorded a string section and a bassoon playing those exact riffs. He later sampled them so he could drop them where he wanted to into the song in progress, but that is a live string section and bassoon, as it is on the other tracks that use orchestration. Christopher R. Coolidge "A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has 10 GREAT laws. A Good law protects me from you. Laws against murder, theft, assault and the like are good laws. A Poor law attempts to protect me from myself." - Unknown
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:48:09 +0100 From: "Smith, David" <David.Smith@tfeurope.com> Subject: Why I oughtta . . . Message-ID: <4BBE67B71C1DD411A23600508B65F71E686070@tfsecmsg04.tfseur.co.uk> I shouldn't rise to this but . . . Mike wrote about the, frankly, spiteful review of Nonsuch: "That's the best description of Nonsuch I've ever read. And I still love that album, but that's the painful truth." Yeah - IN BIZARRO WORLD where YOU live! Sorry, I just have to have some sort of reposte when one of my "Alien Top Five" is dismissed in such a manner. I feel much better now. *** Victor Rocha asked about comedy albums. Whilst I generally find listening to comedy much less rewarding than watching it being performed, I will allow you one name: Bill Hicks. *** Deb, this bottle of Beck's at your barbecue. Beck's what? And does he want it back? Smudgeboy E-Mail: david.smith@tfeurope.com
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:28:19 +0100 From: "Smith, David" <David.Smith@tfeurope.com> Subject: Let's get maudlin Message-ID: <4BBE67B71C1DD411A23600508B65F71E686072@tfsecmsg04.tfseur.co.uk> In the vein of Seasons in the Sun, Tom Kingston cites Alone Again (Naturally) as another contender for "turn that sh*t off" category. I found myself "strangely torn" (ouch!) when thinking about that one. Sure, Gilbert O'Sullivan wrote some cringeworthy songs, but (going back to the Pilot thread) they were perfect pop songs for their times (the early 70s). While I wouldn't want to listen to any of his stuff more than once in a (dang da dang da dang) blue moon, I particularly like the totally overdone self-pity in Alone Again (Natch). Come on, how about this for an opening stanza: In a little while from now If I'm not feeling any less sour I promise myself to treat myself And visit a nearby tower And climbing to the top Will hurl myself right off . . . then Standing in a church, in the lurch With people saying My God that's tough, she stood him up No point in us remaining Might as well go home As I did on my own . . . Yuck, you might think. But go back and look at the words used - "sour", "treat myself", "hurl" etc. There's a real black humour in this song. This man is positively ENJOYING his self pity! He's revelling in being left at the altar. Brilliant stuff in my humble wotsits . . And, BTW, I don't know whether this will register in the US of A, but most of my British chums may recognise: "With your cute little ways Won't you promise that you'll save Yooouuuuuur . . . ." Fill in the rest and barf! Ta-ra! Smudgeboy E-Mail: david.smith@tfeurope.com "I found my teenage heartache Here right next door to my dreams This movie ends tomorrow I need a new movie queen"
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 06:21:18 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net> Subject: Re: This Evil Song Message-ID: <l03130300b5a479860652@[208.13.202.42]> >All this jawin' about the worst song of the 70's has conjured up some lyrics >from, what may be THE most wretched of all pop smears from that decade.. it >goes something like this- >"my name is Michael(?), when we get married, we're going to have a baby or >two.. we're going to let them visit their grandma, that's what we're going >to do.." it may be a girl's name in place of Michael, but Michael is in >some of the verses.. > >Either way, what is the name of this evil song, and why, oh why is it inside >my head? > >the tortured Debora Brown "Playground In My Mind," Clint Holmes. I had a friend in camp who used to sing his own twisted lyrics to that one concerning Raven Wheeler, this girl he had a crush on. Christopher R. Coolidge Homepage at http://homepages.together.net/~cauldron/homepage.html
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:01:43 -0700 From: Peter Fitzpatrick <peterfit@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: <off topic> of Jeff, George & Macca & George..and Ringo Message-ID: <B9B4268C8F87D11195DC0000F840FABE12AF799D@DUB-MSG-02> being a long time Beatle fan I figured I'd weigh in with what I understand to be the reason(s) why & how Jeff Lynne came to be the producer of the 'threetles' songs. First up, George Martin has been suffering from hearing loss for some time (I've witnessed this at first hand), not as a result of abuse but more a case of old age catching up with him. He quite rightly didn't do the gig. Jeff & George have been working together for nigh on 15 years. George H. suggested Jeff. At first Macca wasn't so sure but was convinced it would be ok (my source - a guy who has met and spoken with Macca numerous times....and it tallies with the interviews Macca gave at the time [fancy that ! Macca telling the truth in an interview !]) George H and Macca were happy enough with Jeff's production - a fact evidenced by Paul's use of Jeff during the Flaming Pie sessions. Another factor that is often overlooked is Jeff's understanding of recording technology and his hiring of someone (whose name escapes me right now...he was interviewed on this very topic in Keyboard magazine) to use Studio Vision Pro and ProTools hardware to take Lennon's demo and try to put some sort of structure, timing, clarity to it. When George H. and Macca heard the resulting work they then decided they could in fact go ahead and work with that raw tape (Lennon's unique sense of rhythm included...) Fans (like me) weren't happy for various reasons I couldn't begin to list...for me I wasn't happy because it reminded me how much they missed John. Now..back to XTC...TodayFM (http://www.todayfm.com) have been playing 'In Another Life' quite a lot on "Pet Sounds". It's a national commercial station here in Ireland...so go to their website and request it !
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