Chalkhills Digest Volume 9, Issue 36
Date: Wednesday, 9 July 2003
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 9, Number 36
Wednesday, 9 July 2003
Topics:
Swain Song
Nada Surf - I second
to phil corless
FW 3 & 4
Michael Cerveris Andy Partridge's Twin?
Panning for little nuggets of gold
Fuzzy rip off
RE: CD issues, . . .
Colin Occupants
In These Titanic Days
RE: Let's Activate
Tone Orange
Re: Rooney
Who? Pete T, that's who!
People Have the Power!
Yet another reason to hate the RIAA
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:25:32 -0400 From: "Ben Gott" <bgott@rectoryschool.org> Subject: Swain Song Message-ID: <fc.00870b4a001618aa3b9aca00235187a4.1618ad@rectoryschool.org> Gang, Can I just tell you how excited I am that designer extraordinaire Andrew Swainson is a member of our little ol' list? Aside from designing the last few XTC albums, his name keeps turning up. According to the AMG, he's also designed albums for Cinerama, Pulp, Frank Black, Cracker, Echo & the Bunnymen... How very cool, don't you think? Apparently, my "Fuzzy Warbles" will be shipping this week. Aw, yeah! -Ben
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:20:07 -0400 From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Nada Surf - I second Message-ID: <5051284B.29236710.007ABAF2@aol.com> Lee said: > But a CD definitely worth checking out is Nada Surf's > "Let Go" - forget what you knew or thought about them > before and get this CD. Hear, hear...and hear it you should if you haven't already. I've been enjoying it all year, and it's neck & neck with Ani's "Evolve" for album of the year thus far. My 16-year-old son loves it too, and it's great to roadtrip to. I even enjoy the song in French although I have no clue what they're saying. Sidenote to Ben Brand: Got the XTC cd, thanks a mil. Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "Radical Adults Lick Godhead Style"
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:23:11 -0400 From: "Danny Phipps" <phipps@schoollink.net> Subject: to phil corless Message-ID: <001d01c344ac$71d11f60$998c04d8@phipps> i just wanted to send out a big fat juicy "THANK YOU!!" to phil corless (xtc fan extraordinaire!) for the free xtc hat that i received from you in the mail last week!! i will indeed wear it with pride. :-) gosh, xtc fans (like phil) are the greatest!!!!!! /danny (north carolina xtc fan)
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 19:26:51 +0100 From: Jason Witcher <jason@etceterate.com> Subject: FW 3 & 4 Message-ID: <3F09BB6B.8050509@etceterate.com> Chalkhills wrote: >I also understand that some of you folks are also pre-ordering FUZZY >WARBLES 3 and 4? Oooh, cool; I'll get right on it, but I'll still await >word as to the actual dates of release of these two gems in the crown! I'm >in this for the long run, and no amount of what would be considered bad and >wasteful instrumentals will turn me away! No pre about the ordering - they were released today! They're #9.99 each on Amazon(.co.uk) Jason
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:57:29 -0400 From: "Molly, The New Wave Queen 2003" <thenewwavequeen@earthlink.net> Subject: Michael Cerveris Andy Partridge's Twin? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030707165302.009edd90@pop.earthlink.net> I was surfing the web one day, when I stopped at Michael Cerveri's official site. At the bottom on the site there's a picture of him at The Fez XTC concert. There's also a link to a video of the show, and IMHO he does a great version of the song. :) Here's the URL to his site: http://www.amazing-journey.com/welcome.htm Molly
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:30:47 -0700 From: "WAYNE KLEIN" <wtdk12@msn.com> Subject: Panning for little nuggets of gold Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV154UKWTa9tf0000a869@hotmail.com> >From Harrison--The Electric Prunes' "I Had Too Much to Dream Last Night" is worth the effort alone: Hearing it reinforces just how magnificent a forgery "25 O'Clock" is. Also been listening to the Nuggets II collection; surprisingly, P. says he hadn't heard quite a few of the cuts in that set. I'm sure Harrison already has this--but if you liked the Instant Garage CD, you'll probably love the Nuggets boxed set from Rhino. It has that and a whole lot more including a number of Music Machine classics beyond Talk Talk and an early track by a band called The Golliwogs who later became CCR. It's kind of fun to peak into somebody's closet (as long as your not caught) and discovering some of these gems. I don't know that all the Instant Garage songs belong on that particular CD (seems Garage has become a much looser term than it was when it first appeared) but all the songs are interesting if not essential. Kevin mentioned: Yet, even though Todd is not finished yet, there is always Jason Falkner who reminds me of a hint of the "Heavy Metal Kid" in his prime. I'd heard that Mr. Falkner is working on a new album! Yes!!! That is all the good news I need to hear!!! Fee Waybill, please wake up before it is too late!!! Anybody know if Jason's two CD Japanese import of 4 Track is worth picking up? If the remakes aren't faithful, I'd be interested. All too often a remake of another artist's song is little more than wallpaper drivel. It's rare to find an interesting and truly original take on somebody else's work. >From Lee-- As for new CDs, the new Liz Phair does suck. The best tracks (and that's a stretch) are produced by Michael Penn. However, the "free internet ep" that comes with the CD took me forever to get a copy of, after downloading .asf files (encoded at a lousy 96 kbps) I've had similar problems with the Wilco EP lately as well. Don't know if it's just me or the site (or both). Anybody here have any clues? If there are CDs you want and can't find, contact Collector's Choice, Rhino Handmade and a couple of the other independents and see if you can (through lots of email messages) convince them to go to the trouble of releasing some of this stuff. It worked with some of the Godley & Creme albums (although based on the poor sales, it's unlikely that any of their other stuff will be reissued by the same company in the US. Evidently, they took a bath on L and Consequences). Personally, I'd love to shame A&M (or whatever company purchased them) into re-releasing all the Squeeze stuff (particularly the second canceled boxed set). As the companies get largely, they show (not surprisingly) less and less interest in releasing any interesting stuff. It's all down to profit and loss. A pity as at one time these big companies would buy the smaller ones and leave the founders in charge. Now they've become nothing more than a back catalog revenue source. Even that is spotty as they keep reissuing the same stuff over and over again while other album masters slowly disintegrate in their cases. If there wasn't such a hardcore devoted fan base for XTC (and the strong sales for Apple Venus Volume 1), I'd bet that Virgin probably wouldn't have reissued /remastered their back catalog as well. Wayne
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:23:31 +0100 From: "Darryl W. Bullock" <drol@btinternet.com> Subject: Fuzzy rip off Message-ID: <003001c344de$c83c7660$a6b27ad5@ElBosco> Thought that those of you who have not already heard about this would appreciate the following: Date:07/07/2003 14:55:02 GMT Daylight Time From:drol@btinternet.com To:xtcenglandsglory@yahoogroups.com, collextc@yahoogroups.com, ape_orders@xtcidearecords.co.uk I was cock-a-hoop when my copies of FW 3&4 arrived in the mail this morning. Until I strolled in to town and discoverd - YET AGAIN - the discs on sale for only #10.79! That's almost exactly #3 per disc less than the price after postage from Weatherbox/Idea/Ape - my bill for the two discs came to #27.51. I am so pissed off! After this happened with Warbles 1 & 2 last October I received an e-mail from Idea promising that this would not happen again, and that the next instalments would only be available from the website. If there is one thing I cannot stand it is being lied to. I've supported this band for well over two decades. Many of the people in these forums know me and know that I would be underestimating it to say that I have spent thousands of pounds on XTC over the years. WELL NOT ANY MORE! I am bloody furious. I don't care that the Ape/Idea copies are autographed - Christ, I've got Andy's autograph enough times already. I probably would have bought them from the website anyway - but its the lack of choice again. They lied. Its that simple. Unless something radical happens I will not make any further purchases from Weatherbox/Idea/Ape. I hate being ripped off, and that's exactly what's happening here. Drol ----- Original Message ----- From: Xtcidearecords@aol.com To: drol@btinternet.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:27 PM hi Drol i am very sorry you feel the way you do. unfortunately Andy changed his mind and decided to make 3 and 4 available through retail like 1 and 2. i remember emailing you and at that time what i stated was correct, we were not going to do vol 3 and 4 through retail only the web site, but obviously things have changed and it was decided to do them through retail. the last thing we would do is intentionally mislead you, you are the hand that feeds us. so if you are that unhappy i will refund you the cost of the cd's if you want to return them. the retail recommended price is #11.99 and the wholesale to stores reflects this, if they wish to make less money then that is their decision. ape has to pay all the origination costs, mastering, artwork and design and we obviously have to recoup these, so we set a considerably less than full price wholesale price so that the discs did not retail for #14.00. we wanted to give value for money. many thanks steve site admin Steve, I appreciate your reply, and its not you I have a beef with. I also understand totally that it is down to the store and/or the company that owns said store what they chose to charge for their products. I myself worked for many years in the record trade and know how it works. I also am not upset with the discs themselves. I would have bought them no matter who had put them out no matter how the company that produced them chose to market them. But I am seriously pissed off with Andy. As you stated this was his decision, but would it have hurt to have told us when the discs were first advertised a couple of weeks ago that we would have the option to buy them locally - and, incidentally, add weight to any potential chart placing by chosing to do so - rather than suggest that the only place we could purchase these recodings officially would be through Ape/Idea? I also appreciate your offer of a refund. I will be posting this correspondence at a couple of other XTC fan sites. I trust that Ape/Idea will honour that offer for anybody else who feels as strongly as I do about this. I guess a lot of people will think I'm just a whining arse with nothing better to do.Ah well, c'est la guerre. Darryl
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:06:45 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" <da9ve@geek.com> Subject: RE: CD issues, . . . Message-ID: <070703188.61604@webbox.com> >From: "WAYNE KLEIN" <wtdk12@msn.com> >The real criminal gap in the Zevon catalog is the stonking live >_Stand in the Fire_. >One of my favs by Warren. If I'm not mistaken it did have a brief CD >release in the United States around the time that Bad Luck appeared >on CD.I'm pretty sure it had a release in Japan as well (but >everything gets released there.) Hrmmmmmmm. I can't way you're wrong, but I've never seen any CD issue anywhere, and I've done some hard looking, . . . Consulting http://www5.gemm.com/ (www5?) doesn't uncover any CD issues, and if they don't have it - fuhgeddaboudit. >From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> > >No New York- >The infamous Brian Eno-produced lp documenting the 'no >wave' scene of late '70's New York. A great album, the >Contortions tracks capture them at their >speaker-shredding best. Essential listening. This >supposedly had a very brief cd relese on John Zorn's >Japanese label Avant, but I've never seen it. !!! True dat. There's a Japanese CD issue of a *similar* various artists album on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2542591992&category=2252 ...but I can't actually figure out if it's No New York (not remember exactly what artists were on it), though the review quoted in the description refers to that title. And, duh, why didn't the seller include a picture of the FRONT of the CD, fercryinoutloud? GEMM DOES come up with 6 (used) CD copies of this - all over 36 bucks. da9ve
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:08:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Smart <jimsmart1@yahoo.com> Subject: Colin Occupants Message-ID: <20030708070828.58027.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Wes, Thanks for sharing the very enjoyable interview with Colin on Optimism's Flames. Nice job! Jim
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:54:46 +0100 From: Steve.Pitts@i-tcs.com Subject: In These Titanic Days Message-ID: <OF242C9CC5.4DC53504-ON80256D58.00342617@i-tcs.com> Chalkfolks, In #9-33 Eric Draves suggested: > Let's start a new topic. Anyone hate the Beatles? :) < Hate is too strong a word, but I certainly don't hold them in any sort of affection (which I realise places me in the minority here). John Relph wrote (of A Different Kind Of Tension by The Buzzcocks): > I've got this on CD. I got it as part of a box set of Buzzcocks CDs < Hmmm, I've not seen anything of that nature, either. It appears, after a little digging around on the net, that the album has been re-released on CD in the States, but not here in their homeland. Strange and Jim Smart wrote: > Titanic Days by Kirsty Macoll was widely available on CD when it was new and "I can't stop killing you" was all over the radio. Is it really hard to find? < It might have been more readily available at the time of its original release, but nowadays it is definitely as rare as rocking horse droppings, at least on this side of the pond (England). I have to admit that despite numerous hearings of her version of New England (a familiar tune to me anyway as a Billy Bragg fan) and being impressed by Kirsty's appearances on French & Saunders, I didn't start buying her stuff until I heard a couple of tracks from Tropical Brainstorm (one of them - Treachery - on an Uncut cover CD that I picked up because it had Stupidly Happy on it). Since then I've been trying to back-fill her previous releases, but Titanic Days has eluded me I was also surprised to see two of Squeeze's early albums - Argy Bargy (my personal fave) and Sweets From A Stranger - on people's lists. I bought the Six Of The Best box set when it first came out (1997?), but I still see the individual CDs regularly in record shops, often in the sale sections. Cheers, Steve
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:09:29 -0400 From: "Lippitt, Andy" <ALippitt@twtr.com> Subject: RE: Let's Activate Message-ID: <D60DD682DB09144DA8D55136EEED6EAE02AAFFD6@maverick.bmsv.com> Oops! One MJC asked about the Let's Active reissues: >You sure? I just visited oldies.com and couldn't find anything by Let's Active. I'd love to have new CDs of those albums. >MJC Yes M, I'm sure they were re-issued. What I'm apparently not sure about is the web address. Here's the correct one for ya. www.ccmusic.com <http://www.ccmusic.com> Sorry 'bout the typo. Another guy named Andy
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 02:31:52 +0000 From: "Paul Culnane" <paulculnane@hotmail.com> Subject: Tone Orange Message-ID: <BAY7-F24xiJRzIPOLH80002c0e4@hotmail.com> Had to chuckle when I checked this link out (see below). You see, Al Grazby happens to be the personal assistant/webmaster for the band Tone Orange, which includes TERRY CHAMBERS' son Kai on drums. I imagine that's why Al thought you Chalkers may be interested. The new CDEP, "Heavy Handed" is due for release in August, and includes that song, two others, along with the vid for the title track and a multimedia component designed by the band themselves. Availability? Keep tracking www.toneorange.com for info. I second Al's recommendation that you have a listen, and while you're there, check out the monumentally verbose twaddle in the accompanying "bio". Ahem, what must I have been on when I wrote that? I'd forgotten all about it. And, by the time you read this, I will no doubt be in recovery mode, nursing sore ears (from hearing the band in full live flight) and a sore rear (from the violent curry that the guys have demanded I arrange for them). Their impending visit here this weekend should be a blast; I'm so looking forward to it. I intend to corner Terry for a relaxed "interview", while we listen to some Cupboards and Warbles (hope to capture some of TC's reminiscences on various things), no doubt some Zep and Crimson and stuff like that, fuelled by copious consumption of Terry's favourite brew (Toohey's New, for the trainspotters among you). ...alliteration and rhyme, lemon and lime... I know many of you retain an affection for Terry and his contribution to XTC during the "touring years", so if I manage to get some good wordage out of him, I'll transcribe the results and in due course make it available - most likely through wesLONG's website, Optimism's Flames (thanks for the Colin thing Wes - magnificent!). Meanwhile, if you haven't done so already, check out the below link and prepare to be rocked asunder! p@ul-of-oz rateourband@digitalwhammy.com wrote: > >Al thought you would like the sound that "TONE ORANGE" makes! So >come and listen. > > http://www.rateourband.com/rb/index.cfm?band_id=3550
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 00:00:48 -0500 From: steve <steveschiavo@mac.com> Subject: Re: Rooney Message-ID: <4E3A0705-B1CA-11D7-B8D5-0050E445D419@mac.com> On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 09:57 AM, Chalkhills wrote: > The lead singer is actor Jason Schwartzman's brother > (Jason was Max in the film "Rushmore"), but > that's not a strike against them. Really. Would that be the same Jason Schwartzman that's the drummer in Phantom Planet? - Steve
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:31:35 +0100 From: "Darryl W. Bullock" <drol@btinternet.com> Subject: Who? Pete T, that's who! Message-ID: <006101c345fd$d3508da0$82488751@ElBosco> In the latest Chalkhills digest, Kyla May wrote: ""The Who (even if, now that Pete is on the Child Protection register we might have to avoid 'Im A Boy')" - I believe my Pete has been cleared on this, though I realize his name will always be besmirched. I knew he was in for it when he (silly ass!) wrote in his blog he had been researching child porn on-line. But lay off him anyway, 'kay?" in response to a probably bad-taste comment of mine from a few weeks ago. Sorry Kyla, it was supposed to be a joke - I love the Who and most of PT's solo stuff too - but its my understanding that he IS now officially on the register and will remain there for at least five years. The news reported here in the UK after the whole affair was that he had been charged and would appear on the register (a legal necessity here, I'm afraid) and I think I'm right in saying that no further action would be taken - i.e no court case. According to Reuters news agency July 7 :Police found Townshend had visited a Web Site containing child abuse images in 1999 and the guitarist was placed on a register of sex offenders after being formally cautioned. Anyone in this country who is charged with a sex offence involving a minor, or with looking at or possessing 'kiddieporn' goes on the register. I did not, in my origianl comment, mention Pete being charged or cleared, merely that he was on the register. Sad, I know. But then he should not have been so irresponsible. Darryl W. Bullock
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:07:24 -0400 From: KEVIN.WOLLENWEBER@jpmorgan.com Subject: People Have the Power! Message-ID: <OFE0D796EC.D05C4C85-ON85256D5E.0046D476@chase.com> To those waiting for the last balloon: My friend and I had been to yet another of New York's many summertime free concert events last night, this time down at the World Financial Center and my first time seeing Patti Smith in any venue. I don't really know what I expected from this show. First off, it was free, so I didn't expect her to do anything more than perhaps do some poetry readings or strum an acoustic guitar; but she broght along her band which, as she said, was going to accompany her to Japan for a few shows the next morning. She is probably on her way as I write this. Wow! What a show. She was in top form, save for having to wear spectacles to read her poem which preceeded the song "1959" (which I think is from her GUNG HO album). She did all the well-known tunes and pleased the audience no end. My only disappointment was that she didn't introduce the band; so I never knew who was playing that blistering guitar, loud as hell and as wild as I'd always heard her shows were! Among the songs--"Dancing Barefoot", "Free Money", "Gloria", "Don't Take My Hope Away From Me" and "On the 25th Floor". She admitted that performing "Gloria" with all the frenzy that we've always heard it performed actually wore her out, but, hey, it was bake oven hot yesterday. I was sitting perfectly still, save for the adrenolin it took to applause and emit rock 'n' roll audience noises that I haven't made in years as reaction to this great free music, and I was drenched in sweat at all pores; so I can only imagine what the performer must have been going through, no matter how possessed by the music going on around her! How can ya blame her? This is yet another of those free shows that I would have gladly paid for, and I do hope I get the chance to attend a paid show in which Patti can really pull some surprises out of the catalogue or rock's rich pageant. For example, I half-heartedly expected her to cover someone like Tom Verlain or someone like that, but no mention of Television or beyond. She did pay tribute to Smokey Robinson by rockin' out with "Mickey's Monkey" and surprised even me with her version of the Crickets' classic, "Not Fade Away", more appropriate for the Grateful Dead, but, hey, I'll not deny Patti a chance to show her fondness for any piece of pop history. Oh, and since listening to an audio tape of a recent Vin Scelsa radio show (found at www.idiotsdelight@wfuv.org), I can say that a good reason for all Elvis Costello fans to buy the new reissues on Rhino is indeed the extensive liner notes. A passage was read on the air from the ARMED FORCES album about the song "Green Shirt", or more accurately, about Costello's mind set at the time of writing the album's lyrics. He had said that a lot of song titles at that time came from street signs and ideas to expand on same. "Quizzling Clinic" was just such a line--and, oh yes, in my ignorance, I never knew who Quizzling was, and this helped in understanding why LOONEY TOONS characters sometimes snydely referred to each other as "Quizzling" when betrayed. See? Ya gotta have some sense of history even when it comes to animated cartoons. Sure wish *THAT* was emphasized when it came to high school history classes. Naw, they had to stress over and over to me that cartoons were nothing more than mind rot! At any rate, now I feel left out when it comes to these Rhino reissues since Mr. MacMannis is oh so generous with his autobiographical accounts of each album's creation. Fantastic! And those of you who are opting for burned copies of this stuff are missing out on this individual viewpoint of rock and where it took him. Yeah, I know that some of you don't care, but this is a reason, blind or sighted, why I couldn't sink, too, into just burning copies of CD's that other people have and why I will opt to *BUY* all my reissues, thank you. And that also goes for the FUZZY WARBLES collections from Andy Partridge and, perhaps, the forthcoming DVD set compiled by Colin Moulding. That sense of history from the musician's perspective is something that you don't often read in the rock rags and, today more than ever, you have artists who realize such memory ramblings are important and make sure to be obsessive about saving almost every bit and piece they can. Good show! And to the record companies I say that *THIS* is the reason why you should pay the artist, when it comes to anthologies and such, because only that artist can give the proper perspective...oops, I take that back; there are always hard core fans like our own Harrison Sherwood or Wes Long who can lend a sense of joy about the music inside that multiple disk set and prove that it was worth the effort to restore the music in question to as good as can be expected. And, Wes, thank you for that interview. Yeah, I had to admit that I cringed at some of the shock jock questions about farting and all that, but Colin took it all good-naturedly. If I had some sort of prying question or suggestion to make of Colin it would be, if he's reading this, to make the rumor I've heard come true and record an album with Thomas Dolby. I'd heard that, during the amount of time that XTC were without a contract and it didn't seem as if the duo of Partridge and Moulding was going to survive, Colin was either writing songs or thinking of writing songs with Thomas Dolby, someone else who hadn't recorded for a while but who had a kind of computer graphics project that he was doing on the side to keep his creative juices flowing. "Wow" exclaimed I, "how perfect is that!!!" My head would be reeling with so much good musical food. While it seemed to me that both these artists didn't come from the same musical backgrounds, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they might hook up and start coming up with a slightly daffy bit of skylarking on their own while Andy comes up with whatever else he was trying at that time. Dolby does also have a fascination for U.K. and U.S. rock history since a grand list of names have shown up on his last two albums--God, I miss his presence, and who better to work with than Colin Moulding, even if they do things in electronic pieces without actually traveling to one or the other's home. Upon reading a piece in THE ONION, a free paper here in New York, which was an interview with Todd Rundgren, I was rather shocked to find out that the Wizard and True Star admitted that he really didn't like the chore of producing! "Huh?" I exclaimed, "his earliest works of genius were indeed his own tireless productions, and you can tell that the Utopia material that stands out the most include indeed those instances when Todd decides to throw out all the excess, unless it is his own, and take over the studio." I've been fascinated with these productions and, more and more, oddly enough, some of Andy's productions in the studio have kind of reminded me of Todd's work, especially when it comes to the sound of the snare drum. Listen to the Martin Newel album, THE GREATEST LIVING ENGLISHMAN, and see if you don't agree. At any rate, if one doesn't like the obsessiveness of taking over entire production chores, there will always be those that do, like Jason Falkner or, yes, Colin Moulding and whatever young talent he decides to handle. But don't give up on the "geezers", either. Perhaps, he might have a terrific slant on how to produce a voice that no one has ever heard clearly before. Some artists' albums have never sounded good, and that is merely because no one has actually taken the time to creatively produce that talent, and that is where creative ears like Todd's or Andy's or Adrian Belew's or Jason Falkner's come in and I hope they remain around forever! Music may change, but the changes result in more to work with when looking for terrific musical combinations to come, thus creating some new flavors of the month that taste so good that the fans want more and more as the years go on. Change is good and, if ya can follow along, the ride is never boring! Kevin
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Bernhardt <beat_town@yahoo.com> Subject: Yet another reason to hate the RIAA Message-ID: <20030709143646.60310.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Hi: As I've said before, copy protection and attempts to foil P2P file sharing will always fail because of the ingenuity of people and the inherent desire by those on the fringes to stick it to The Man. The Anonymity Doomsday Factor By John Dvorak http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1185025,00.asp -Todd An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. -Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (1869-1948)
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