Chalkhills Digest Volume 7, Issue 42
Date: Wednesday, 18 July 2001
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 7, Number 42
Wednesday, 18 July 2001
Topics:
Re: Piggy in the Middle
Rag n Bone
chet atkins r.i.p.
re: On Second Thought.....
bad production
Neil Finn
Neil Finn US Release of One-Nil
last call - Atlanta XTC bash
Re: Time for British beat
Atlanta BIG DAY
Various answers, probably of little value
Apple Wasp Inteview
"Statue Of Liberty" Old Grey Whistle Test performance
The Estimable John Relph
looking for biking chalkers
RE: Shrieking on The Big Express
Cropredy
a prayer for...
Red Brick Dream
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Jul 2001 02:35:35 MDT From: Jeremy Mathews <nsps@usa.net> Subject: Re: Piggy in the Middle Message-ID: <20010711083535.3833.qmail@nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net> > Anybody know of any other bands where the bonus tracks were wedged > in "piggy in the middle" style? Robyn Hitchcock's minimalist classic, "I Often Dream of Trains" was released on CD with several extra songs stuck in the middle. The album opens with an instrumental "prelude" and closes with a "demise." Since these instrumentals were intended as bookends, it seemed odd to put stuff after the finale, so the bonus tracks were inserted between sides one and two. The songs are in the same style as the rest of the album and don't bother the flow very much. All of Hitchcock's other albums were released with the extra tracks at the end. When Rhino remastered Hitchcock's CDs for US release, they added demos, live tracks, and other rare stuff. These were put at the end of the album. This was a wise decision because all the songs were already on the album in finished form. While the tracks are nice to have, I'm often troubled by music coming after the album's end. This is a problem with XTC because, in my view, all the closing tracks are difinitive closers. I don't want to hear more music right when the album ends, I want to think about it. I've only recently heard of a plan that will end both complaints. The new Elvis Costello reissues (also put out by Rhino) will supposedly have all the bonus tracks on an extra disc. This an expensive, but good way to go. Of course, it took me a while to get all the Ryko EC albums and I don't know how much better the new versions will sound. Later, Jeremy Mathews www.nsps.net
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:46:30 -0000 From: "Tim Brooks" <bridgered@hotmail.com> Subject: Rag n Bone Message-ID: <F200hBOz1qSWKIyS4xb0001624b@hotmail.com> Jeff Eby said: >What I was wondering about the rag and bone stuff has >to do whether any of it will be on the upcoming many >cupboards or fuzzy warbles CD's. It doesn't seem >likely that this would happen, kind of a waste of >space for songs already on another album, but I guess >it might be possible that Andy and Colin would want to >work more with some of the songs. Well they certainly won't appear on any warbles that may Fuzz as they are Virgin property, far more likely they will take up a whole disc of the cupboard of many coats (along hopefully with the few B sides that did not make R+B). My biggest grumble to the whole re-issue process is that remastering aside all Virgin could be bothered to do is move the extra tracks that already existed onto the end of the disc (at least they managedto do that!!). Surely they could have made some efforts to add the extras from R+B to the albums that they "belonged" to i.e. Extrovert to join Dear God on Skylarking etc, as it is the re-releases are a right hotch potch with some remasters having no extras at all!! A proper remastering effort ala Costello, Marillion, Pet Shop Boys would have given the fans far more impetus to buy the albums for the third time, as it is it is only the cute vinyl replicas that have tempted me to re-purchase. Someone here on the hill actually did a detailed list earlier in the year of all the extras and where they could be placed, would some kind chalker please send me this or point me to the archive that had this post. Thanks TMB Most likely album of the year 2001 Super Furry Animals - check em out - especially Dukes lovers!!!!!
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:57:49 +0900 From: "John Boudreau" <aso1@mocha.ocn.ne.jp> Subject: chet atkins r.i.p. Message-ID: <000701c109fe$e457ff80$785791d2@mocha.ocn.ne.jp> all , here with a beer at 6:45 p.m. on a gray wednesday listening to bread and circuses by durutti column ... for some reason the very recent death of mr. guitar chet atkins popped into my head ... chet overlooked by many because of his country affiliation and age , but i saw him live once many moons ago in the early 70's in some upstate new jersey smalltown ( my ailing uncle was a huge fan ; had all his albums - 75 ? - and had never seen chet live so i drove him up there in my '69 Firebird 400 vroom ! ) and man that cat was a guitar virtuoso who could play ANY genre with ease and grace and style . blessed my god he was . and he was a true country gentleman who influenced george harrison greatly George even played a Chet Atkins model Gretsch guitar ) , who influenced with his co-horts The Beatles ) the whole world ... sushiman
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:16:48 -0400 From: "aron kirby" <kirbyx29@hotmail.com> Subject: re: On Second Thought..... Message-ID: <F119mYewQ1N8Pik3Y8p0001be84@hotmail.com> I actually think that i like having Apple Venus and Wasp Star as 2 seperate albums, but I do see your point about making them a double, I know Andy wanted that and I would have paid however much money they wanted for it, but I liked the feeling I got when I had just heard A.V. with all its orchestral sounds in it and then the suspense in waiting for W.S. , I knew it would be a totally different sounding album but I honestly did'nt think it would be soo good. It was just a great year for me to have 2 XTC albums released and I really dont mind a bit that they went about making it 2 seperate releases instead of a double. c-ya, Kirby
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Eby <jeffaeb@yahoo.com> Subject: bad production Message-ID: <20010711143247.32330.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> >>Then again I've heard some great songs that were so badly produced that it detracts from the enjoyment of the song itself.<< Usually I don't notice production too much but sometimes I can really see your point. Personally I just can't stand the production of Jerry Harrison (Talking Heads). His worst crime was his butchering of the violent femmes "The blind leading the naked". I deeply lament the song that "I held her in my arms" could have been. It has always scared me to know that XTC has some connection with Jerry (Papersnow could be so much better). I just hope Andy and Colin never let him produce XTC.
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:57:40 -0700 From: "Cerquone, Suzanne" <Suzanne.Cerquone@iclassics.com> Subject: Neil Finn Message-ID: <2312F6B7EC6ED411ACFE00508BAE01E001AB160C@USINTEX03JFK> Wayne wrote: >>What's up with Neil Finn's latest CD? It still doesn't have a release date in the US. I picked up the import and am happy I didn't wait. It really ticks me off when US companies delay releasing an album. I suppose they don't care that their core audience will go out of their way to purchase it as an import. That explains why some items don't sell when they come out in the US.>> Finn was dropped by his U.S. label, Work/Sony. A lot of times artists have a U.S. label and then another label distributing worldwide (as did XTC with Geffen in the U.S. and Virgin elsewhere). Unfortunately sales of "Try Whistling This" in the U.S. weren't enough for Sony to keep him. What a shame, as this could very well mean he won't tour here until he gets a new label deal. ~~ Suzanne
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:34:20 -0400
From: Frank McDonnell <fmcdonne@optonline.net>
Subject: Neil Finn US Release of One-Nil
Message-ID: <NDBBJOLJILNCKOBPONJIEEPNCBAA.fmcdonne@optonline.net>
In 7-41, Wayne states:
What's up with Neil Finn's latest CD? It still doesn't have a
release date in the US. I picked up the import and am happy I
didn't wait. It really ticks me off when US companies delay
releasing an album. I suppose they don't care that their core
audience will go out of their way to purchase it as an
import. That explains why some items don't sell when they come out
in the US.
It is my impression from the updates on the Neil Finn page on frenz.com
(www.frenz.com/neilfinn/news.html) that Neil has no US record deal. I don't
know what happened with Sony, who released Try Whistling This in the US.
For any Neil/Crowded House fans in the US, you should get this disk now - it
is outstanding. While as a whole I still prefer his first solo effort,
there are a number of songs (Rest of the Day Off, Don't Ask Why and Into the
Sunset) that are simply amazing. Perhaps a visit to HMV.Com is in order?
(Not a plug!)
On an unrelated note, can anyone provide an opinion on the new Ron Sexsmith
and the not-so-new Roland Orzabal albums? Feel free to reply off list.
XTC content: Love the remasters, though I've yet to settle into the "new"
version of King for a Day yet.
Frank McDonnell
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:55:09 -0400 From: "Pete Roberts" <pete_srd@mindspring.com> Subject: last call - Atlanta XTC bash Message-ID: <005a01c10a86$723bc660$824a56d1@t7u9z6> Hi folks, last call for the 3rd not really annual XTC Atlanta bash at my place in Atlanta, GA on Sat, July 28, 2001!! Email me privately for details. Pete
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:30:08 From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Time for British beat Message-ID: <F92o49Yh0xWjJ2SZGQ800013e48@hotmail.com> From: art et affiche <art.affiche@wanadoo.fr> >Chalkhillians, >A little message to tell you I just bought the "NUGGETS II" box, >"original artyfacts from the British Empire and beyond, 1964-1969" >Grrrrreat collection! 4 Cds! 109 tracks ! >(of course, I got the "Nuggets I" too, "original artyfact of the >first >psychedelic era"-) >Yes it's related to XTC! It's for you, fans of the Dukes! >If you don't already have any of these charming British teenage rock >bands >on your records collection, buy it! Like it is said in the >(beautifull) >booklet, "Congratulations, you are now >the proud owner of a virtually hitless collection of mod, flower >power, >psychedelic, British R'n'B, freakbeat, twee-pop and dozens of >records too >strange to pigeonhole into some sub-sub-genre of nugget." >Gems in it, from great bands as The Small faces, Kinks, Pretty >Things, >Action, Smoke, Them - So jump! And you will understand why >Colin, Andy and >Dave had so much fun making "25 o'clock" and "Psonic >Psunspots"! OK OK -- I have to draw a line in the sand here, Art. The Nuggets people have subtitled it "from the British Empire and beyond" this seems like a bit of a backhander to me. Australia was, by 1964, part of the British COMMONWEALTH, OK? I spose Empire sounds more psychedelic? Above all, I must point out that, as well as the abovementioned acts, NUGGETS II contains numerous indendiary tracks by legendary Aussie and NZ psych/pop acts like The Easybeats, The Masters Apprentices, The La De Das, Ronnie Burns, The Lost Souls, The Twilights, The Bluestars, The Smoke (nudge, nudge), The Missing Links, The Elois, The Playboys, the mighty Chants RB, featuring my hero, Mike Rudd (later of Spectrum and Ariel) and The Atlantics. There has been quite a bit of discussion about it on the Aussie 60s/70s mailing list I look after, and many felt that the Easybeats would have been better represented by later Australian tracks like 'I'll Make You Happy', or especially by the UK-made tracks like 'Land Of Make Believe', which is a gold-plated psych classic. Likewise with the Twilights -- many feel that "9:50" (the flip of 'Cathy Come Home') would have been the better choice. Overall, a pretty fair selection, considering we have to compete (as always) with our British cousins to get space. Few who know the music will argue that Australia and NZ were producing stuff as good as what was coming out of NY, LA or London, but few people outside here get the chance to hear it, so it's great that they've included a few cult faves like the almighty Missing Links. (BTW the complete Missing Links recordings are available through Half A Cow and you MUST buy this record. You will never hear anything else like it). Spotted a few bloopers in the liner notes though. - The La De Das single was, as I understand it, a cover of the Blues Magoos (but I could be wrong). - the Ronnie Burns track is quite wrongly credited. It's a Gibb Bros song alright, but it was made in 1967, AFTER they went back to the UK, by which time Colin Petersen had also gone over. Also, the demo the Bee Gees cut was not the backing for this single, It was a new recording. The Bee Gees did sing and play on Ronnie's preceding single, 'Coalman', which they also wrote, but not on this followup. The backing for Exit was by Melbourne band The Strangers, who were effectively the house band for the Festival label at that time. The stinging, Beatlesy guitar riff is by Strangers lead guitarist John Farrar, husband of singer Pat Carroll and longtime producer-songwriter for Olivia Newtown John. I'm surprised by this -- it's not hard to find out, detailed in that new Bee Gees book I think, and a rather glaring error. - The Masters Apprentices track is "Wars (with an "s"), or Hands of Time" ; also, original group The Mustangs formed in 1963, and were renamed The Masters Apprentices in '65 when singer Jim Keays joined. Also: the reason the Twilights "failed to make inroads" in the UK was largely because EMI dudded them egregiously. Despite specific promises to the contrrary, EMI released the Hollies' own version of 'What's Wrong With The Way I Live', just as the Twilights' superior version -- given to them by Nash -- was starting to get airplay. The same thing happened 3 years later when The Le De Das covered "come Together', only to be gazumped by The Fabs own version coming out as a single. >Don't know how much does it cost in the USA? In France, 490 FF, >about 74 >euros. 74 euros? Are they *really* called that? That's kinda funny for us antipodeans -- down here, a euro is a species of small wallaby. (Kinda like saying 74 bucks, I guess) Ciao belli Dunks
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:22:04 -0400 From: "Michael Versaci" <mwversaci@att.net> Subject: Atlanta BIG DAY Message-ID: <000201c10ad5$a54a8240$0d01010a@atl430nb> Folxtc, The BIG DAY is rapidly approaching. If you would like to come an party with us on Saturday, July 28th, please e-mail Pete Roberts at pete_srd@mindspring.com for all of the details. Michael Versaci
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:57:55 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <xornom@hotmail.com> Subject: Various answers, probably of little value Message-ID: <F2023lEZtRvWs4FhIXI00008dbb@hotmail.com> Jeff Eby: >What I was wondering about the rag and bone stuff has >to do whether any of it will be on the upcoming many >cupboards or fuzzy warbles CD's. It doesn't seem >likely that this would happen, kind of a waste of >space for songs already on another album, but I guess >it might be possible that Andy and Colin would want to >work more with some of the songs. I don't know for sure, but I thought Fuzzy Warbles was supposed to be a demo collection, and the tracks on Rag and Bone were all finished ones, so they probably won't show up on FW. I have no idea about Coat of Many Cupboards, though. Jason Witcher: >Does anyone know the source of the plummy fella who says "Now we're >breaking into our programme for the second time tonight..."? on >'Psonic Psunspot (before 'The Affiliated' unless I'm horribly >mistaken). I ask because XFM (slightly less-crap-than-the-others >London radio station) has taken to using the same sample, up to >'programme' as a jingle. I don't know who said it, but it was from a British radio announcement that Hitler had died. apparratus null: >just got a bootleg CD with interesting, but not too interesting, >demos off nonsuch (an album i totally adore). "i'm the man who >murdered love" is also there, as well as some songs i don't >know. anybody with nice info about any of the following? - > >goosy goosy >rocket >goodbye humanosaurus I've heard this one, and I'm pretty sure it comes from a cassette of demos that Andy once sent to some people. In fact, the bootleg you have might well be a copy of one of those cassettes. >it didnt hurt a bit This one was released on the EP for "The Man Who Murdered Love," wasn't it? >its snowing angel Intended for the mock-bubblegum album that Virgin rejected, and released on Andy's Hello Recording Club CD. -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:13:49 EDT From: WTDK@aol.com Subject: Apple Wasp Inteview Message-ID: <6.195555fc.287fb35d@aol.com> In a message dated 7/10/01 7:24:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes: > > Andy was right all along: the two albums should have been combined as > a double album. > > The resulting album would have would have reflected XTC's eclectic > personality in the fashion of Nonsuch, and been a stronger collection > than Apple Venus or Wasp Star. > > What do you think? > Steve Oleson It's taken me awhile but I agree 100%. They are in marked contrast in terms of sound but (not surprising) have similar themes floating throughout them. Since Dave is no longer with the band how might one contact him for an interview (it's for an article I'm putting together for the remastered CDs for a Brit website). please email me offlist at wtdk@aol.com with any suggestions. Any help would be appreciated as I've no idea if he's still being managed by anyone. Wayne
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:16:29 +0100 From: "Darren A. Peace" <dpeace@bigfoot.com> Subject: "Statue Of Liberty" Old Grey Whistle Test performance Message-ID: <000001c10be1$17925e20$79cc989e@inferno> The BBC have announced "The best of the Old Grey Whistle Test" for release on the 17th of September. This double disk set will be priced at #24.99 and will have a total running time of 292 Minutes. The set features 40 rarely seen performances, major interviews with world-famous musicians, and memories and tales from the show's key presenters - 'Whispering' Bob Harris, Annie Nightingale, Richard Williams, Andy Kershaw, Mark Ellen and David Hepworth. Reason I mention it is that the set includes a performance of "Statue of Liberty". Darren Peace Reading, UK
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:53:32 -0000 From: "Tim Brooks" <bridgered@hotmail.com> Subject: The Estimable John Relph Message-ID: <F122Pgtv7QDGGfnaPTC00005a74@hotmail.com> Hope he doesn't mind this posting as the below is extracted from a private mail, but how the hell the guy manages to maintain Chalkhills (and many other sites) in the below scenario : " I don't even own a PC. I do all my work on a borrowed UNIX box. Soon. Really soon I gotta get a PC." Don't 'spose anyone has a spare PC for a man we are all indebted to? We are not worthy TMB Over and out!!
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:06:34 -0500 From: Bill Sherlock <bdsherlock@juno.com> Subject: looking for biking chalkers Message-ID: <20010716.172759.-289815.0.bdsherlock@juno.com> Hi all, Off on Friday to RAGBRAI (biking across Iowa). Once again this year I'm looking for any readers of this illustrious forum that will be accompanying me, and 10,000 others, on this madness. E-mail me off list and perhaps we can meet up somewhere along the way. Bill "I should be in bed, I need my 11 hours. I'm a real sleep addict. I started off just napping. Then I got into the harder stuff...siestas. Before I knew what was happening I was a sleep junkie." Andy Partridge, Melody Maker, 8-18-79
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:09:01 +0100
From: "David Smith" <David.Smith50@virgin.net>
Subject: RE: Shrieking on The Big Express
Message-ID: <LPBBJEPFIGBHBJHFDMILCEGCCBAA.David.Smith50@virgin.net>
Well, hellooooo there!
Thought I'd jump on The Big Express re-evaluation. As me ol' mucker
Rory will attest to, I was never that impressed by TBE. On my vinyl
version it was lumpen and clunky, while my CD version was, well,
lumpen and tinny!
BUT! I am about-face man! I got the re-masters - all of 'em, in a job
lot from Amazon. I have probably listened to the re-m'd TBE more than
the rest of them put together.
My fellow parishoners . . . I am converted.
***
Douglas Bailey said of Strawberry Switchblade . . .
>
> I remember disliking them intensely at the time, but can't actually
> remember how the songs sounded: it's quite possible that I'd like
> them now...
No. You Wouldn't. Trust Me.
Their stuff wasn't bubblegum - it was overblown, violent pink candyfloss.
I feel better for getting THAT out of my system.
****
In Chalkhills 7-40, David (Don?) Valentine asked
> He's interested in getting old of the two books. Any ideas? He can't have
> mine and they seem to be out of print.
Don, if you mean "Song Stories", I bought that directly from the publisher
about two years ago. They were (are) called Helter Skelter Publshing and
can be found at 4 Denmark Street, London - should be enough for him to get
a phone number from directory enquiries. That's how I got my copy.
Good luck.
***
And friend Andrew Boyle:
> Gee, I seem to remember this when some other band came out of
> Liverpool. No! Oasis. Blah. I would pay to see them fight and not
> play.
Oasis? Liverpool? Shurely shome mishtake . . .
***
Finally, for you Shriekback fans out there, this from the "Re-Releases"
review section of August's "Q" Magazine:
"Shriekback - Aberrations 81-84
Nostalgia trip for 80s purveyors of itchy, surrealist pop.
Shriekback belonged to that early-80's school of indie (fellow classmates
Cabaret Voltaire, Gang of Four) who regarded playing austere twitchy funk
as a subversive act. Between 1981 and 1988 they released six albums of
chopped, experimental art0funk with a vaguely political hue, then split
before reforming to tour the US in 1992. Aberrations gathers oddities and
outtakes from their early career and features such abrasive workouts as
Floral Police Van, Grapes Into Lettuce and Regret No Dogs. There's a bonus
free CD of their 1994 album Naked Apes & Pond Life, and it's all quite fun
until the constant frantic quirkiness becomes irksome."
It gets three stars out of five.
They used the "q" word. Now THERE'S a surprise . . .
On the SAME PAGE, under the heading "Recommended - The Best Re-issues of The
Last Three Months" is . . . Skylarking!!!!
A lovely piccy of the album cover, with the comment:
"Grand, speccy, Todd Rundgren-produced rock from Swindon's finest export."
S'pose it could've been worse - they could have said it was quirky . . .
For what it's worth, the other three re-issues featured alongside it are:
Like a Virgin - Madonna ("Do you remember when she was still American" -
arf!)
Further Listening - Pet Shop Boys
Soul Legacy - Curtis Mayfield
Draw your own conclusions . . .
****
Oh, and I also started my new job today. And picked up my new company
car with 6-CD autochanger - woo, and indeed, hoo. Would it be SO wrong
to put six XTC remasters in there . . ?
OK, five and a Steely Dan's "The Royal Scam" then . . .
Ta ta!
Smudge "I'll quirky you in a minute" Boy
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:12:07 +0100 From: "Richard Benjamin" <rickyb@magcrump.screaming.net> Subject: Cropredy Message-ID: <CPEEILDLANCBMNABEGNJMEPOCDAA.rickyb@magcrump.screaming.net> Hello people - I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned here (not much time lately to follow everything in the digests) but there is a site asking for votes for the intermission music at this year's Cropredy festival. I missed out on the voting for artists, but got there for the tracks vote and was very pleased to see XTC listed. Somebody had the foresight to vote them in (from this list?) So if you want to register your vote go to http://www.websheds.com/peggshed/ and give it your best shot. I voted for Green Man partly 'cus I adore it and partly 'cus it's a chance to give the guy's newer material an airing to a very large audience. I'll be at the festival so I keep my fingers crossed for a positive XTC result. I do love the Fairps and associated offerings at the fest, but it will give my finger a rest from being wedged in my ear if we get something played and can only be good for the band in terms of exposure :-). Cheers - Richard /|\
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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:05:02 -0400
From: "Danny Phipps" <phipps@schoollink.net>
Subject: a prayer for...
Message-ID: <web-9536245@schoollink.net>
i'm not a religious man by any stretch of the imagination,
but let's all say a special prayer for our good friend and
former beatle-mate george harrison for a complete and
successful recovery! they've just found a tumor on his
brain....and it doesn't look good this time. :-(
come on, people...this is a BEATLE phenomenon we're talking
about here. he deserves all of our positive thoughts and
good energies traveling towards him right now!
godspeed to recovery, george!!
sorry for being "off topic" here, but i felt this was
important.....
/danny
--
"Be the sound of higher love today!"
-- Jon Anderson
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Relph <relph@engr.sgi.com> Subject: Red Brick Dream Message-ID: <200107182219.PAA77710@mando.engr.sgi.com> Hey folks, I keep vaguely remembering that I had an XTC-related dream a few nights ago. The Idea website had been completed. No longer was it the Homegrown dirt background and buzzy bee site. Instead, it was a brand new wildly multicoloured site, a la Jackson Pollock. But that's all I remember... -- John -- Funk pop a roll beats up my soul -- XTC
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