Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 94
Date: Saturday, 29 April 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 94
Saturday, 29 April 2000
Topics:
Re: Mummer
Hush on Rush
Fuzzy Questions About Fuzzy Warbles
To wash down with a glass of lemonade
Q
Re: A thousand Cheshire cats
"Now children,behave yourselves!"
warm up the organ AND send the kids next door
Holy Rollers
Oh, I'm being sophomoric here...
NO BOSSES, RENT IS THEFT
Mummer's Parade
Re: Metal
Uh-Oh...
Los Angeles gathering
A Confederacy Of Dunks
Listening Parties, XTC's a good Healer
rudolph
Marr 'n' Me
XTC on audio-visual
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:50:04 EDT From: Telehead@aol.com Subject: Re: Mummer Message-ID: <4c.4c4ffe7.263b99cc@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/00 5:50:36 PM, <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes: >Am I the only person who loves Mummer around here? Its high on my >list of favorite XTC albums. Strange. I do have a problem with >Nonsuch but it has nothing to do with the songs - the songs are >fabulous! I'm just not a fan of the way the album sounds. Very >sleek, very clean, very professional, drives me batty ;) For some >reason I love this quality in a group like Steely Dan, but not for >XTC. I guess I think of XTC as having a more homegrown feel. No Laurie, you are not the only one. Mummer was the one that cinched it for me when it was finally (some six months after the fact) in the states. "Beating of Hearts" "Farmboy's Wages", "Great Fire", "Ladybird" ... come on y'all this is great stuff! Freed from having to worry about touring, the band got to think more about sonic structures and less about "shaking the pork" (that's Andy's line, not mine). I also think that Nonsuch was great. It's very much a toss-up to me which works better, O&L or NS. With all respect to those who favor the earlier records, I think XTC has grown more interesting over the years and each successive record builds on the last. Just my opinion. Peace - out! Warren
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:54:39 EDT From: JStrole@aol.com Subject: Hush on Rush Message-ID: <96.4180f6d.263b9adf@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/00 12:53:16 PM, <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes: <<Whats Rush?>> You don't want to know, believe me.
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "brenan w. campbell" <chartsandsharks@yahoo.com> Subject: Fuzzy Questions About Fuzzy Warbles Message-ID: <20000429041837.8481.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Chalkers, I'm just curious to hear some info/speculation about the upcoming four disc Fuzzy Warbles CD! Is it going to be released by TVT or Virgin? What would the four discs consist of? Would it include the demos that were turned into b-sides for Nonsuch/O&L?(I have never heard them) Are they going to include the Wasp Star demos? Part of me really hopes they don't and they are released on a seperate CD. Homespun 2 or something of the like. I guess the one that would really interest me would be something like this: Disc One and Two: Even mix of unreleased songs and released songs that have different demo incarnations. Disc Three: The unreleased 60's bubblegum pop project in it's entirety, including fake band names and ideal song order. Disc Four: Andy's home demos from the whole fan club deal.(which I haven't heard either. would anyone be interested in trading rare They Might Be Giants/Smashing Pumpkins tapes for a dubbed copy? I've got quite a bit...) It almost seems as if this would be an extremely difficult set to organize as there is so much material that could be released and I would be interested in most of it. Would we get remastered versions of the James and The Giant Peach songs? I love those and I got them off of xtcliveanddirect, but the quality is rather dreadful. Anyway, I'm willing to hear someone more knowledgable on the subject of their demos. Maybe we can stop arguing over whether Nonsuch is over-rated or not! Until then, let the "wanking" continue! confused and punch drunk, Brenan W. Campbell p.s. Does anyone else out there like the band Lincoln? I love their debut/last CD and it makes me really sad that they broke up. I highly suggest any TMBG fans to check it out. Besides the fact that they're really cool and quirky, they also feature two members of the Band Of Dans (Dan Miller and Dan Weinkauf). Okay, I need to stop. Heh. Bye.
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:06:30 +0100 From: "David Seddon" <D.Seddon@btinternet.com> Subject: To wash down with a glass of lemonade Message-ID: <000e01bfb1ba$53091200$2068073e@default> Great post from Nina, on my fav XTC-subject of Nonsuch. So many of these great songs are worth detailed analysis, but I esp loved the comments on The Ugly Underneath: "Then, all of sudden, a CLASSIC (I'm really sorry about this, I'm pretty anti-manbashing) masculine evasion of the elephant in the living room (The thing with politicians is...). I figured out why the ending bothered me so much too - it's ANDY shaking some rattle in the background, which doesn't go at all. It's the very sound of anxiety if you listen in on it. That song to me supports the whole didn't know/denial theory of his impending divorce." I hadn't thought of that one before. I've been too busy listening to the changes in musical tone between the two bits of the song to see this dichotomy in the lyrics, but I've no doubt at all that you're right. It's an extremely powerful song. The ugly sound of that rasping guitar (is it an e-bow?) in the main section and the beautiful (almost) lullaby of the bridge section. I don't know if Nina was referring to the lyrical or musical content of the end, but to me, the fade out of this song is the most hauntingly lovely in the whole of the XTC canon. That long chord and the baroque keyboards. It's like the cantata that Bach missed. You can listen to just the last minute plus of the song, (from 2.30) and it's like listening to something they play at a wedding when the bride and groom go off to sign the register. Try it. To me this ends the song on a bright, optimistic note. Here's Andy saying "I may have had a crappy deal and my marriage went sour, but hey, it's not all bad and it's worth doing again." Like in Harvest Festival and Church of Women, he still has a romantic view of life with women and marriage. It's this split of emotion that makes this song so powerful and one of Andy's best. Some have gone on about Dave and his guitars, but listen to this keyboard playing!! On Nonsuch, Dave gave us his very best keyboard playing and arrangements. Listen, too, to Wrapped in Grey, Rook and the pomp rock solo (like Rick Wakeman?) in The Smartest Monkeys. IMHO, since Andy's guitar-playing is pretty nifty anyway, it's the keyboards and the thoughtful touches of arrangement that we'll miss Dave most for. Wasp Star may show us this. I'm deliberately not playing the demos too much as I don't want to spoil the effect of first hearing the album proper. I've only heard them twice but I hope that there are some good keyboards and arrangements on WS. If not, then that's where Dave's non-presence will be most felt.
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:30:36 +0100 From: "chris browning" <chris@boodle.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: Q Message-ID: <001301bfb1c6$edb3fca0$8101883e@pbncomputer> in amongst the dregs of the new issue of Q (100 greatest british albums ever apparently....yawn...next month 100 greatest solos on the spoons with full colour pull out and interview with sam spoons etc...) is the review of "wasp star" - it gets a positive review, a little picture of andy and colin i hadn't seen before gurning at camera and a "like this why not try..." recommendation for the robyn hitchcock album 'element of life' (hmm. try proofreaders next time lads...) and the jam. didn't notice which one. for god's sake it's *Q* magazine - not going to buy it am i! and also - like it's the jam. do i care? i say enough sting bashing folks - he made a good steerpike for one on the radio - and lets turn on arch-curmudgeon paul weller for a change. there's one who truly needs it, what with his new album "egocentric" and whatnot.... also the new bluetones album is likened to "mummer" of all things. have heard the first single off this, "keep the home fires burning" and very nice it is with it's hovis horn section - but anything like mummer? not really...still might be worth investigating... TTFN crispy
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:26:55 EDT From: DinsdaleP@aol.com Subject: Re: A thousand Cheshire cats Message-ID: <bb.2cfcc2d.263bb07f@aol.com> In a message dated 4/28/00 8:50:33 PM, "Jane Spencer-Davis" <janesunfish@hotmail.com> writes: << Bisected accidentally, one summer afternoon by me I love him carnally. Semi-carnally. The End. -Jane >> Cyril Connolly? - John
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:45:21 CDT
From: "vee tube" <veetube@hotmail.com>
Subject: "Now children,behave yourselves!"
Message-ID: <20000429034521.83486.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey!
Do you stupid monkey-oids know what's about to happen?
XTC has a new CD coming out!
It's GOOD!
They might even gain some new fans!
These new fans will go to the TVT web-site. Soon after that,
they will click on 'links'. They will have two choices. #2 is,
"sign up for the XTC fan mailing list"
I'll give your stupid monkey butts 3 guesses where this link
takes them....
... Times up!
And what will these newbies find?
Some of the worse(not worst) examples of depleted gene
pools in the galaxy!
"Hey! My Piss burns more than yours!"
"No it doesn't!"
"Yes it does!"
"I know I am, but what are you?"
Anybody want to guess how long these newbies will hang
out here? How many will never know about the 'Dukes"
Why?
Because all they'll see is a bunch of Stupid!Monkey! FUCKS!
Pissing all over each other! What a great way to find XTC fans!
I think all I'm trying to say is...
"Can't we all just,get along? little doggies?"
}---:)
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:22:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brown <mb2@deltanet.com> Subject: warm up the organ AND send the kids next door Message-ID: <200004290322.UAA10470@mail2.deltanet.com> I put forth the following suggestion- I think we may have the title for the next XTC album.... ...*Singing Penis*... To which Dane replied- OH NO! If that were to be the title, I fear it might turn into a real *wank fest*...;-) (With a nod and a wink I say) would a wank fest be such a bad thing?... heavens, no! Which reminds me, I haven't listened to the Circle Jerks in a while... where's that tape? There you are you slippery little... Hand check! Cheers, Debora Brown --19 days till the Japanese release of *WS* Three cheers for Sushiman! :)
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:58:00 -0500 From: "Robert Kulick" <kulicro@auburn.edu> Subject: Holy Rollers Message-ID: <s90a1787.003@groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu> So i've been listening to my mp.3 (and it drops off at the end so i have no idea how it ends) of Church of Women and damn, it hits me like the hot kiss at the end of a wet fist....Andy is possibly a disciple of the new messiah. Now before you get all icky about holy rollers and fundamentalist crap, let me state that I was born Jewish and married an atheist/Epsicopalian (all of the pagentry, none of the guilt). I look at the body of his "scriptures" and think...gee, he really has nailed the true meaning of belief, devotion and spirit. Truth, non-violence, kindness and the simple acknowledgement that human beings are fallible creatures puts him right up there as far as i'm concerned. Now thats not to say i'm gonna quit my new job, catch a jet to heathrow and camp out on Andy's front lawn (i went to his house in '91, do i still get the +25 points?) waiting for a divine light to appear from the heavens, or his hydrangea to start smoldering, but I think its profound that his music identifies what are arguably the best things about religous humanism. Or I'm just a loon, in which case you can skip on to the next posting.....which you will most certainly do anyways.... employed in alabama, Rob
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:48:44 EDT From: "Jane Spencer-Davis" <janesunfish@hotmail.com> Subject: Oh, I'm being sophomoric here... Message-ID: <20000429024844.3116.qmail@hotmail.com> Picking up Chalksticks, Had in my eminent estrogen-ness to comment on David Smith's post: 'Helped by the fact that Mr. Sumner is, lets be fair, a devastatingly handsome fella-not an epithet that can be readily applied to our Andy' ahem. Might I speak for let's say the majority of the 'Chalkhills Chicks' (and we are a lusty lot) that the preference would be for a Mr. Partridge tripping and falling into the featherbed rather than a Mr. Sumner... Flame me girls, if I'm wrong. -Jane
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:28:11 -0700 From: "Radiosinmotion" <radiosinmotion@earthlink.net> Subject: NO BOSSES, RENT IS THEFT Message-ID: <000b01bfb18a$f3136140$0200a8c0@digitalpc> As Nina said in her message: "Okay, I thought he was talking about the movie Heavy Metal, not the genre. Maybe I missed something." So, maybe she was right. Why take a statement so far out of context. If you look they just re-released the movie and Part 2 is about to come out. Regardless what I meant, maybe I did mean a specific genres. Maybe I was talking more specifically about Poison or Def Leopard. It should not matter that much to anyone. I personally USE to hate classical music, should that bother anyone to the extent of calling them names? I think not. For the record though, I do not like MUCH Heavy Metal. Second, most of the groups I did like that were classified as Heavy Metal said they hated the term and considered themselves "Rock." Third, I hate Disco, I hate Country, I hate Opera, I hate Gospel and I hate Church type music (non gospel). Big deal! I am sure you hate some of the music I listen too. It just does not matter that much does it? To me, what I consider heavy metal (you know some people consider XTC punk still?) is Poison, Def Leopard and all the other played out groups of the 80's. Zep & Queen were both Rock I thought, not heavy metal, though they influenced most of the metal bands. When I was in high school, most of the people who were into metal thought XTC and New Wave type music was for gays, though not everyone into the genres is gay. In America, where I live, we have freedom of choice (well, sort of) and we have the right to express our opinions. I expressed mine. That's all. Lets not make an issue of it.
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:45:45 -0400 From: twosheds@mindspring.com Subject: Mummer's Parade Message-ID: <Springmail.105.957023145.0.16047100@www.springmail.com> Chalklings, Laurie,<BrainiacsDaughtr@aol.com> commented: >Am I the only person who loves Mummer around here? Its high on my >list of favorite XTC albums. I love "Mummer"! It was a big change from ES, and took me a while to get used to, but it is wonderfully crafted album, full of suprises. "Love on a Farmboy's Wages" & "Ladybird" are beatiful gems! Plus, I met my wife when this album first came out, and there is a lot of sentiment attached to it. It was her first encounter with XTC, and she has also become a HUGE fan!!! Anyway.. Must ipso-facto half not be...... >Bisected accidentally, one summer afternoon by me I love him >carnally. Semi-carnally. The End. -Jane Cyril Connelly? Joe "That bloody Orgone Accumulator is on the fritz again!" Funk ---------------------------------------------------------------- "This post-post is intended as a parody on message-ending parodies on message-ending posts. It is a complete waste of bandwidth, and is not, nor intends to be an extremely "clever" parody on message-ending parodies on message-ending posts. Mind you, the actual intention of this parody on message-ending parodies on message-ending posts is redundancy. Mind you, the actual intention of this parody on message-ending parodies on message-ending posts is redundancy." -Cyril Connelly
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:15:06 -0500 From: Peter Mullin <pmullin@biocomp.unl.edu> Subject: Re: Metal Message-ID: <390B0A8A.154B6901@biocomp.unl.edu> <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> (a.k.a. our darling Dom) wrote: > Point Three - XTC are a heavy metal band and one day I will prove >it. Seriously. I for one would be _very_ interested in hearing/reading this argument (of course, I'm an ignorant sod from the "there is no metal but Motorhead" [insert umlauts as necessary] school and my favorite XTC album is...Go2 [I think it's the Colin-Barry interplay that could have developed into something really interesting..sort of an alternate history to contemplate, I guess]), but any time you get your points together, Dom, I'd love to hear 'em. -- Peter Mullin Department of Plant Pathology University of Nebraska-Lincoln
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:35:41 +0100 (BST) From: Rory Wilsher <rory_wilsher@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Uh-Oh... Message-ID: <20000429163541.24982.qmail@web1502.mail.yahoo.com> Matt Mitchell wrote: "Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU This sums up how I feel about XTC." What's this? Two Hillsters who can actually AGREE on something? Does not compute! Fatal error! This programme has performed an illegal function and will close down! Rory "Do spiders make chutney?" Wilsher
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: K D <hentoe_xtc@yahoo.com> Subject: Los Angeles gathering Message-ID: <20000429193545.10753.qmail@web2101.mail.yahoo.com> I would love to have a Los Angeles gathering. Let's start planning! We had a DC/VA/MD one once--it was lovely. Hi, everybody! I also wanted to mention that we have more than one Kate on this list. (Hi, other Kates!) I am NOT the one who hates Go 2--I do, in fact, love Go 2. I know it is considered wrong around these parts, but I do. It was the second XTC album I bought (after O & L). I loved hearing the obvious growth from Go 2 to O & L--and I still do. There are a few songs I do not like on it, but overall I think it is great fun to listen to! So, can I call, once again, on the Go 2 Society (or whatever the secret closet Go 2 fan club was called) to come forth and stand up for early XTC!? for the record, my favorite XTC album remains The Big Express. However, I am fond, very fond, of all the albums. that is all. -the Baltimore Kate (in L.A.)
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:49:02 EDT From: WESnLES@aol.com Subject: A Confederacy Of Dunks Message-ID: <9a.420e2bd.263c96ae@aol.com> Jumpshots, uh, I mean, Dunks sayeth: Moreover, while its prominence is granted, and deserved, but there are *plenty* of equally great, funny books which haven't received the same attention. A perfect example is John Kennedy Toole's "A Confederacy Of Dunces", which in my personal opinion is one of the best and funniest American books ever written. AMEN. One of the finest, funniest, bittersweet novels I've ever read. Toole's own tragic story, sadly, adds to the flavor of this marvel of a novel. wesLONG http://members.tripod.com/~The_Last_Balloon/index.html
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Molly Fanton <mfanton99@yahoo.com> Subject: Listening Parties, XTC's a good Healer Message-ID: <20000429205620.7451.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Someone in the last Chalkhills asked about listening parties and how they worked. Well, an online listening party, like the ones I was having is basically a chat where everybody's listening to the same album at the same time. You don't listen to the album right online, each person has their own album to listen to. Then we just chat about the songs or the band. I'm handing my listening parties over to Jane, Miner and the other regulars, because I'm not sure when I'll be back. I might stop in if I can get Talk City to work on my parents' computer. If any of you ever break a limb or end up in the hospital I highly recommend getting anything XTC. When I was in the hospital previously I listened to The Big Express and Skylarking a lot. Now I have all of XTC's albums with me, so I'll be playing them while I'm recovering. Molly ===== Molly's Pages http://www.angelfire.com/mn/mollyfa99/index.html
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:35:57 EDT
From: Saints3Den@aol.com
Subject: rudolph
Message-ID: <54.33c082e.263cd9ed@aol.com>
hey people...
You know Wasp Star and napster
and Apple and Venus...
Mummer and Nonsuch
and the singing penis...
but do you recall
the most famous posting of all???
SHUT YOUR WRETCED PIE TRAP YOU RIDICULOUS PRICK!
to pass the next few weeks wait, i have downloaded " Andys Fano
Guitar song" from the Fano website. Since, hey! this is meant to be
downloaded and enjoyed! no theft involved, and you get to hear andy's
newest available song...eddie
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:30:56 -0400
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <gott@tmbg.org>
Subject: Marr 'n' Me
Message-ID: <B530F6FF.2129%gott@tmbg.org>
Gang,
I was just zipping through the "Q&A" section of Johnny Marr's website, and I
came across a question I had asked him months ago...(Don't worry, it relates
to XTC!)
***
Q: Hey, Johnny...Good to see you have your own web presence, at last...I'm
writing to ask whether or not you've been influenced at all by my two other
favorite guitarists, Dave Gregory (formerly of XTC) and Peter Buck? Your
appearance on Billy Bragg's "...Home" (which I just bought a few days ago)
made me wonder... Thanks, and keep playing! -Ben
A: I saw Dave Gregory years ago,he is a good guitar player.I like
Peter Buck,never met him,but he has a good vibe.
***
So, there we go!
-Ben
N.P.: Kirsty MacColl, "Galore"
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Benjamin Gott . Loquacious Music . Brunswick, ME 04011
AIM: Plan4Nigel . Tel: (207) 721-5366 . http://listen.to/loquacious
Don't you know we're all light? / Yeah, I read that someplace...
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 21:46:12 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net>
Subject: XTC on audio-visual
Message-ID: <l03130301b531497221da@[208.13.202.118]>
>In a message dated 4/27/00 12:35:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
><owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes:
>
><< Everything that they have done since (including the
> vastly underrated Mummer, and frequently slagged Big
> Express) is absolutely top drawer. Nonsuch was a
> refreshing "Back To Basics" return to "Good
> Old-Fashioned XTC Values" after the pure exuberance of
> O&L. And I love them both.
>
> OK, you can shoot me down in flames now. >>
>
>Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU
>
>This sums up how I feel about XTC.
>
>Matt Mitchell
To give perspective, the final exam for my Pastoral Counseling class in
my graduate studies was to put together an audio-visual presentation that
reflected a particular phase in the human life cycle. I chose to present on
childhood; the idea was to give a sense of what childhood looks like both
from the adult and child point of view, in short the essence of childhood
on posterboard and cassette tape. The audio portion was optional, but the
most fun part; I filled a 90 minute tape full of songs to do with
childhood, starting with a gaggle of Jonathan Richman and Loudon Wainwright
III songs("Not Yet Three" and "Five Years Old" by Jon and Loud
respectively, capture the joy and frustration of childhood quite well) and
moving on to some rather quirky Disney covers from Hal Willner's Stay Awake
collection(you haven't lived till you've heard Tom Waits beat "Heigh HO(The
Dwarves Marching Song)" into the ground until it begs for mercy; I didn't
include it on the tape, I didn't want to scare anybody). At that point,
once Aaron Neville's dulcet voice serenaded me with The Mickey Mouse Club
Theme, I was temporarily stumped. What got me going again was I wrote a
song called "Hello Little Soul," which was supposed to be a sort of
spiritualist rewrite of Andy's "Garden Of Earthly Delights." I took one
listen to my song and recorded Andy's instead. There was just no competing
with him. I did include a couple of my other songs elsewhere, though. I
also included "Playground," which may have been a little too farfetched and
I've only heard the song three times so far, but it fit well enough. After
throwing on "Surrender" by Cheap Trick and one Air Supply song at my wife's
suggestion, and finishing on a very dark note with Richard Thompson's "The
Killing Jar" I was done. Chances are they'll only play side one, and balk
at my froggy voice on the first of my two songs and miss all the good stuff
that follows. Oh well, I did my part.
The guy who's doing the presentation on young adulthood was stumped for
audio material, so I'm doing his tape just because I love putting together
tapes. Let's see- XTC and young adulthood- boy, there's a lot. "Earn Enough
For Us," "Love On A Farmboy's Wages," "Mecchanik Dancing," to name a few-
this is going to be fun! Most of Andy's lyrics get pretty abstract- he may
be writing about his own young adult experience, but it's all wrapped up in
the poetry and imagery a lot of the time, when it's not specifically about
himself, Marianne, or Erica. I might want to give "Frivilous Tonight" to
the woman who's doing the presentation on middle age, though.
Christopher R. Coolidge
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