Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 214
Date: Monday, 31 July 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 214
Monday, 31 July 2000
Topics:
Re: beyond bad (can't we please go...?)
You can Call me
Oh, to add to my post about Rap artists.
"And the rap shall lie down with the song."
What do you do when you're Band-ed, and you don't have a name?
My Music Can Beat Up Your Music
Hey, hey, my, my ...
Re: The great catch up, vlume 2
Fading...
MFSL Skylarking (and O&L)
Re: Not so tasty words to eat ...
Ooops, I'm postmodern?
Old Nick
Matters of genetalia.
Jules verne and has beens
Re: Beyond Bad
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:53:34 EDT From: Poisongold@aol.com Subject: Re: beyond bad (can't we please go...?) Message-ID: <ce.8b0c097.26b25dbe@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/00 7:55:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes: << Alright, so we've gone past artists that suck and are now listing those bands that make us physically sick. >> Hmmm... well... you know... sorry for posting twice re: the same digest but I have to suggest, with fire extinguisher in hand, that we're not really going to get rid of bad misic (or music we consider bad, or "music" we consider bad) by spewing venom about it, and in my not-so-humble opinion, it's more productive to talk about what we actually like. I'm not saying, "Hey, get all this 'Music I Hate' stuff the hell off the list," I'm just saying, "Could we maybe think about it?" With that in mind, I'll suggest a thread: What pop/rock artist, that you like (almost?) as much as XTC, sounds the most different from XTC? I'll start the bidding with Graham Parker. regards MJC
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:50:15 EDT
From: WTDK@aol.com
Subject: You can Call me
Message-ID: <17.8dbce30.26b24ee7@aol.com>
Al speaketh:
> I think that Simon's best moments were with his Unkle
> Garf. Songs like "Scarborough Fair" and "Mrs.
> Robinson" are still great. Moreover, I think that
> "Graceland" was an overrated piece-of-crap that gained
> attention because of the South African connection.
> And finally, "Loves Me Like A Rock" still makes me
> want to ralph...
Come on Al! You're just jealous because Paul wrote a song about you but
didn't list you in the liner notes.
Wayne('s world would be excellent IF Xtc sold loads of albums, toured and
cooked me dinner)
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:10:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Radios In Motion <radiosinmotion@iwon.com> Subject: Oh, to add to my post about Rap artists. Message-ID: <383269418.964753854585.JavaMail.root@web191-iw> Another good artist to check out is Guru. He has 2 albums: Jazzmatazz Vol1 and Vol2. All real live Jazz Mucisians, some of the best too! He is also part of the group Gang Starr, which samples a lot of the same Jazz artists who he has on his albums! He actually did the solo thing as a sign of respect for real musicians.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:55:50 EDT From: KINGSTUNES@aol.com Subject: "And the rap shall lie down with the song." Message-ID: <3f.821e71e.26b25e46@aol.com> Great rolling mounds of chalk, >Artists who peaked with their first album? Creatively or commercially? In >any case, ...The Byrds? >Granted their first album is a great album but they made albums equaled the >first one in terms of songwriting. I actually prefer their second album >(particularly since they had more creative input---they didn't even play on >their first single!). Being a Byrds connoisseur, I shall give my two cents. The Byrds first two albums, Mr. Tambourine Man and Turn, Turn, Turn! were good but very spotty. They sport some great stuff, notably the title tunes, I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better, the gorgeous Bells of Rhymney, Chimes of Freedom, It Won't Be Wrong, The World turns All Around Her (to name a few). But there are a number of tunes that fall short, and even border on bad. BTW, McGuinn & Crosby did play on Tambourine man. Oddly, with the departure of the underated frontman Gene Clarke, they went on to do what I consider their true classic albums, 5D and nearly faultless Younger Than Yesterday (Their best and their peak, IMHO.) Even Notorious Byrd Brothers was strong. As they steadily lost their orignal personel and crept to a more country based sound, their recordings slowly lost their classic "Byrdness"; but through all their changes I can honestly say they never made a bad album (except for that godawful reuinion attempt). As I see it, they peaked not with their first, but their 3rd, 4th and 5th. BTW, I found the best way to listen to their albums is cranked WAY up with plenty of bass. Try that with The Bells Of Rhymney! Yow! ******* >In #6-205 Ol' Granpa, AKA KINGSTUNES, took an *unnecessary* shot at rap No it wasn't. >What happens with rap? I repeat: What happens with rap?? >Where's the fucking SONG? HMMMM? Well, where is it? >Now I love songs as much as the next guy, and I agree that people need >them, but why can't rap co-exist and be appreciated? I am a rap fan, and >while not too into the misogynistic or violent side of it, I do appreciate >the art of it. Just because it doesn't speak to your experience or ear for >music doesn't mean it has no validity. And I'm not talking about the Puff >Daddy / Will Smith variety. I'm talking Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, De La >Soul, Tupac, and P.M. Dawn. I've heard plenty of great rap myself. I'm not knocking rap per se. BUT - my argument was centered on the importance of songs. Rap has been around a long time, and as an "art" form it has been commercialized and elevated to a position it was not meant for, for the sake of sales. My fear is that the current generation of young people will be so "rapped" up with it all to be cool that songs will became a thing of the past. That would be tragic to no end! If that happens, Seasons In the Sun and Playground of My Mind would start looking pretty good. It scares me that every time a car of teens pull up with music blaring, it's fucking rap! They are eschewing one of the greatest and most joyful elements of human life. For what? Tupac? And tell me, how on EARTH does this speak to the experience of these middle class youths? So tell me, everyone, is songwriting in danger? What do you think? BTW, if anyone would like to hear what rap could be, check out In The Ghetto Of Beautiful Things, TSOTT, Kevin Gilbert. ****** >I think that Simon's best moments were with his Unkle >Garf. Songs like "Scarborough Fair" and "Mrs. >Robinson" are still great. Moreover, I think that >"Graceland" was an overrated piece-of-crap that gained >attention because of the South African connection. >And finally, "Loves Me Like A Rock" still makes me >want to ralph... I've been wanting to get in on the S & G talk. I'm probably the biggest S & G / Simon fan on this list, so I'm biased, but here's my take. I feel they peaked with Bookends, their penultimate album. The masses and critics in general are enamored of Bridge Over Troubled Waters, which I love as well, but I find it's more inconsistent than Bookends. The songwriting and arrangements show Simon reaching a timeless and powerful intensity on Bookends that got a little fluffy in spots on BOTW. What can I say, I just love Bookends, it's their masterpiece. As for Graceland, when I think of the hours of pure listening joy I have spent with that album, it pains me to read such ignorance. Boy In The Bubble, Graceland, Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes, Homeless, Under African Skies; just fantastic, beautiful, beautiful music! I'm so sorry you are missing the joy of this record. What a shame. It is also my feeling that Paul did more for the elimination of apartheid than his hypocritcal naysayers ever did. Smashing the barriers of ignorance with sweet music! The dream of the sixties counterculture! He did it! And to boot, contrary to the allegations of the reality alteration in my contender's comments, that album did not rely on the controversy for it's GREATNESS. BTW, don't get any on my shoes, please. ******** Glad to see someone mentioning Midnight Oil! Love 'em. Blue Sky Mining and Earth & Sun & Moon are two of the most underrated albums of the 90's! That band rocks!!!! ObXTC: Nonsuch is a great album. Whatsa matter with you people? If you're not XTC fans, go away! Another bad band - The Flying Machine (Smile a little smile for me, Rosemarie....) God, I love music! Tommy "Beastie Boy" Kingston "There is nothing more difficult than talking about music." - Camille Saint-Saens
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:10:39 EDT From: KINGSTUNES@aol.com Subject: What do you do when you're Band-ed, and you don't have a name? Message-ID: <c8.82a3da1.26b261bf@aol.com> Folks, hot off the presses: another list of archived band names, for the needy- Mothra White Male Heterosexuals The Cretins The Masterbeaters Fortune 900 Margaret Thatcher The White House Interns The Friendlies The Tractors Psychic Vampires The Republicrats The Big Babies Albert Finney On Ice Hans Christian Anderson Bloodpope Spastic Colon The Christmonkies Earthbitch Four-foot Jesus and the Goat Cartographers Sovereign Pig The Tortures Shards of Doom Maybe Not (Thanks in part to Mad Hatter Martin!) MC TK
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:48:02 -0500 From: Mark <lollard@usa.net> Subject: My Music Can Beat Up Your Music Message-ID: <39811E92.5D208BB6@usa.net> LOL....seems to be a lot of "my music can beat up your music" lately... blah blah blah... I add this: "The more you love music, the more music you love." Is there really any such thing as "bad" music? Or just an absence of "good" music? Kudos to anybody and everybody who ever sang, wrote or played..or even just tried to. The beat goes on. ~~~~~ that quote of Andy Partridge's, "...don't listen to other people's stuff...". I concur. ~~~~~ I have recently noticed a personal preference to songs of Colin. I never realized it until I made my own "greastest" xTc cd...about 75% Colin tunes. Now don't get me wrong, I love Andy's work as well... just making an observation here...yak yak yak Ever listen to der Fodderstompf w/ headphones? perhaps under the unfluence of whatever?? we only wanted to be loved....we only wanted to be loved... I do miss Dave. XTC song of the day: Seagulls Screaming Kiss Her, Kiss Her nonXTC song of the day: Kiko and the Lavender Moon by Los Lobos Yours Truly, Mark in house on a hill in Omaha
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:26:19 PDT From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com> Subject: Hey, hey, my, my ... Message-ID: <20000728062619.41642.qmail@hotmail.com> Chalklies Ho! Seth Frisby (damn, but I like your name) sayeth: >p.s. you know what i'd like to hear on the next album? Mellotrons. >Lot's >of mellotrons. Hear, hear. Second only to the Hammond organ as the alltime greatest noise of the 20th century. In the meantime I think I get bombed and listen to "Deliver us from the elements" turned up *real* loud like I used to do in the old days ... By the way -- <unna@worldmailer.com>, I think it's really annoying when people don't sign a name to their post. What were you saying? Oh, yes ... >Subject: Beyond Bad >It is with much physical hatred and hostility that I type this >"artists" >name.... Neil Young! His voice makes me cringe. His guitar >playing sounds >as if the guitar is begging to be euthanized. Back in >college my >housemates had a band and they would cover Neil Young >songs. Consequently, >many of those housemates are heroin heads now... Oh, and obviously that's all Neil's fault? Sheeesh! However the mention of good ol' Neil does bring up a few interesting points for discussion. Neil, Dylan and Lou Reed in particular, have voices which definitely do not fit the standard mould, and which many people find unpalatable in the extreme. The divide seems to be absolute in most cases - you either love 'em of your hate 'em. Further, in Neil Young 's case there seems to be a huge gender divide, with the vast majority of Neil fans being male. I'm only going on anecdotal evidence, of course, but I know of few women who like either his music or his voice. My wife, who has VERY broad musical tastes, doesn't like him at all. She says it's "a boy thing". My friend Phil is a HUGE fan , but his wife won't even let him listen to Neil young while she's in the house! (Personally, I'd be asking for a divorce). Another tangent: Neil seems to be one of the very few 60s rockers still seen as consistently producing credible, engaging music that reaches a wide section of the public, meets with general critical success and is well regarded by younger musicians (e.g. the hero-worshipping from Pearl Jam). Admittedly he did have a bit of a "dwahl" in the 80s (and I'm not even gonna touch CSNY) but you get my drift. Similarly, Lou has had his ups and downs, but has produced consistently interesting work and, after an inevitable lull, came back really strongly in the late 80s / early 90s. E.g. I would certainly rate "New York" or "Songs For Drella" as being as good as any of his earlier works. Zimmy, however -- and this IS a personal view -- seems to have gradually slipped away from us. I have not heard anything of his (with the solitary exception of "Series of Dreams" or whetever it was) that comes anywhere near the standard he maintained through the 60s and early 70s. "Street Legal" was the last great Bob Dylan record for me. (I am often reminded of an old National Lampoon jibe, which cited Dylan as proof that we are only given a limited number of good ideas.) In closing I also have to defend Paul Simon. I was not an early convert to the "Graceland" thing, but it really grew on me, and he did more to popularise South African township music around the world than anyone before or since. I hardly imagine people like Ladysmith Black Mambazo, Miriam Makeba or Hugh Masekela would work with him at all if he was the kind of artist he is accused of being. I think the attacks tagging him a tokenist and cultural plunderer were stupid and shortsighted, then and now. The fact is he has been bringing in elements of other styles ever since the Simon & Garfunkel days (remember "El Condor Pasa"?). He has consistently striven to broaden his musical palette with styles from all over the world. Why is this OK for, say, Peter Gabriel, but not OK for Paul Simon? Surely his using elements of township music, gospel or South American folk music is no stranger than a Jewish kid from New York singing Anglo-American folk music -- a talent for which he was lionised, and something he evidently should not have progressed beyond, in the minds of some people. Dunks
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:42:03 +0100 From: "Smith, David" <David.Smith@tfeurope.com> Subject: Re: The great catch up, vlume 2 Message-ID: <4BBE67B71C1DD411A23600508B65F71E686094@tfsecmsg04.tfseur.co.uk> Many thanks to Erik Schlicting for putting me straight on the chronology of "I Only Have Eyes For You" in 6-206. Particularly liked the "of course" in reference to Frank Sinatra - says it all really! PS, I'm in Croydon, which is about 15 miles south of London. So's at least one other Hiller, but it's not my place to "out" anyone else! *** Also in 6-206, Jayne mentioned Jimmy The Hoover. I think he's one of the members of the great cheesy pop gig in the sky now. Can't remember the guy's real name, but I know he drowned a few years back. Hey-ho. *** In 6-207 The Mole asked for an explanation of the word "nadgers". Well, it's like errrrr, gonads, kernackers, dual dangly bits, plums, balls, bollocks, passion fruit etc. Know what I mean guv? Errr, what's a tallywhacker? *** Harry Strole expanded upon my Paper Lace theme (and, yes, I'm VERY sorry I started it). Over here in the UK they had four major hits: Billy Don't Be A Hero, The Night Chicago Died, The Black Eyed Boys and Hitchin A Ride. There, I've said it. Please can we drop the subject? It's dredging up memories of a childhood I thought I'd escaped! And did you know, Andy Summers is closing in on his 60th (yep) birthday? Strewth! *** I don't want to get too involved in the Rap argument, simply 'cos it's old news, but in 6-208 Alan Martin said "When was the last time you heard a "Rap" lyric and thought, "Wow, I've never thought about *blah* in that way". For me it was De La Soul's first album. Patchy in parts, but some real head turners. In general I agree, a lot of rap has got lazy and you need to go back to "old skool" such as DLS, A Tribe Called Quest, Arrested development and the Jungle Brothers to get you really thinking. However, I think the real point about rap is no different from the real point about any mass-market music - whether it's Frank Sinatra-style easy listening, Country, Rap, Britney Spears pop, Punk, Heavy Metal, jeez, you name the genre. Here comes the point, ready? If you're prepared to listen to enough of a particular style of music to know what you're talking about, you will find gems in any musical genre. But, once again, it's a "wheat from chaff" situation. It's really a question of attitude. I personally will listen to rap in the hope of finding a gem here and there - and I usually do. Obviously I stick more with what I know better. I have an irrational hatred of country music - even though I know it's irrational and there are some great songs to be found. It's just that age-old problem - we're human - for which I heartily apologise. *** There's been a few mentions of Sugar as a band who peaked with their first release. Strangely (well . . . ) the same applies to Sugar lead man Bob Mould, who has not managed to emulate the brilliance of his first solo album, Workbook. *** Paul Culnane asked if anyone on this forum knew what vee Tube was talking about. Paul, I don't think Vee even knows what Vee's talking about! **** Jeff Thomas' posting in 6-209 was excellent - lots of good points well made etc . . . however . . . I would disagree with one teenie tiny point. I think Dire Straits actually peaked with thier second release - Makin' Movies. All opinions of course. *** And finally Esther . . Al La Carte (arf!) said "Moreover, I think that "Graceland" was an over rated piece-of-crap that gained attention because of the South African connection. And finally, "Loves Me Like A Rock" still makes me want to ralph..." Ovr rated, yes, crap, not fair. Some cracking stuff hidden away. Agree with Loves Me . . but this highlights my particular problem with Paul Simon - more than anyone else I can think of, Paul Simon hits higher highs and lower lows than could be imagined. For every "Loves me . ." or the execrable "Kodachrome" there's an equally great song like "Train In The Distance" or "Hearts and Bones". Can't understand it meself - distinct lack of quality control. Have a wonderful weekend in the playgrounds of your mind . . . Smudge (11cc, heh heh heh!) Boy E-Mail: david.smith@tfeurope.com
------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 2000 12:48:00 +0100 From: "Robert Wood" <Robert.Wood@mutech.co.uk> Subject: Fading... Message-ID: <00003414@mutech.co.uk> Organization: Mutech Ltd Radios in Motion said about Wasp Star: >> Of course we all love XTC and know the album is great and I am not disputing that. I just think its going to be like AV1 and I don't expect it to make much more of a buzz then it already has << I'm amazed that you thought the reaction would be anything but. >> I just hope they keep up and start working on more material instead of throwing in the towel which is what I am scared of happening << Of course they'll carry on, this is about the same reaction they've had to every album since, well, ever really. OK, up to and including English Settlement, they had singles airplay, and Senses was a big hit. But once the touring stopped, the profile went down, and it's not going to come back up again, even to the modest hight it was at at the time of ES. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. >From a selish POV it's a good thing, because Andy and Colin will never get comfortable and strive to produce great music.
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:24:47 +0200 From: a.de.koning@bp.vnu.com Subject: MFSL Skylarking (and O&L) Message-ID: <C125692A.00454F55.00@bpa.vnu.com> Hallo Kalkers! Acoustic Sounds has the Mobile Fidelity version of Skylarking available again in their sales bin. I don't know how much there are left, so if you want it I suggest you teleport now to: http://www.acousticsounds.com/acoustic/catalog/mofisale.html It looks like there are also still some copies of O&L left. Andre
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:20:59 -0700 From: "Ray Michno" <rmichno@my-Deja.com> Subject: Re: Not so tasty words to eat ... Message-ID: <JDPAHHKPCJFPDCAA@my-deja.com> Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80) >> From: IMSUNBAKE@aol.com >> >> Chalk Friends -- (lots snipped) >> Do I agree that this should be the case? NO! Is it the case? Well, >> just look at the dog poop on MTV and VH1! (with apologies to my 4 >> dogs, who have just wonderful dog poop). I just got Dish TV and have >> been watching MTV and VH1 for the first time in about 4 years. Holy >> jumping Judas Priest. It's just bleehhhhh!!! I haven't missed >> anything! Actually, MTV has been horrible throughout most of the 90's. They kept adding more and more original programs and started playing less and less music. And the horrible music that they do play is repeated endlessly. I'd love to see a true alternative to MTV on the air, but I think the general public would never support it. -Ray-
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:02:23 -0400 From: MinerWerks <dminer@gte.net> Subject: Ooops, I'm postmodern? Message-ID: <a04310101b5a6f7c74aa2@[63.25.69.210]> Rory "I broke all your records and I played all your rules" Wilsher comments: >David Lake opines: > ><BTW, anyone notice that you can sing 'Baby, One More Time' note-4-note, >word-4-word along with 'Oops, I did it again'?> > >Errm, yes. It's the first thing you notice about the song. I started to wonder how intentional this was, because the first time I heard the song, it *included* samples of "Baby Hit Me One More Time." They even threw in bits of "Drive Me Crazy" for good measure. So is this little Britney's attempt at some post-postmodernism? If "Stupidly Happy" is somewhat successful, can we expect to hear home-based mixmasters combining XTC with "Never Let You Go" by Third Eye Blind? Or for that matter, will we ever hear our boys from Swindon in a "Weird Al" Yankovic polka medley? That, my friends, would mean they have arrived. >I recently went to see "Supergirly" in London, who specialise in taking >the piss out of the current boy/girl/boy&girl bands. They do a brilliant >rendition of this (these?) song(s) in which they do precisely this - sing >both songs at the same time. It's verr', verr' funny. But I guess you had >to be there. Saw some band on MTV take the piss out of the song too, by turning it into a fast punk-pop number. It was some lame battle of the bands that I invested two hours of my life to watch, just to find out that the best (their word, not mine) "unsigned" band out there sounds just like Rage Against the Machine and Kid Rock. Go figure. * * * * * Annamarie "I'm Finally Listening to Big Express" DeCarlo wrote: >Nope, you're not barking mad. Same on this side of the pond. I've worked in >college PR in Washington, D.C. for 5 years now (2nd or 3rd career?), and I >have noticed that the ability to "figure it out" is declining dramatically - >generally speaking. I've seen students simply stop their quest if the answer >is not at their fingertips. Not laziness so much as the attitude "what do I >do NOW? Eh? Eh? Eh?" > >Then there are those tender young gems (I hope my profs thought I was one of >them, but I remember being as dense as stone occasionally) who not only can >"figure it out," but who are a pleasure to work with. I know! I know! I've >met them! Some even know XTC! I'm 25 and since the last year or so of college, I've felt that I take a much different approach to things than people I know around my age. A lot of people in my classes would actually come to me to help them figure things out. I've always been of the attitude that I should figure out *why* a set of steps produces a result, whereas most people I went to classes with were overwhelmed by just remembering what order to reproduce the steps in. As far as figuring out what is on the minds of young people these days, I noticed Fox will be debuting one of those dreaded "reality" shows, but they're doing it on high school kids. Evidently, they had a number of students videotape a year in their lives, and Fox will be editing it down to individual programs. And this isn't one of those "Real World" things, where the producers influence the surroundings; this is actual footage taped by the students themselves. I don't even want to begin contemplating the enormous legal issues this program must have prompted, but that's one reason I'm curious to see it. The other is that I may actually get some insight about what the hell is up with teenagers these days... * * * * * I picked up Jill Sobule's "Pink Pearl" last week... A few of the songs on this album are creeping into my subconscious. I recommend it. * * * * * After living dangerously with my vinyl, I actually picked up some supplies to clean my records properly before playing them. I also discovered a new vinyl copy of AV1 among a bin of old stuff. A bit pricey at US$18, but I had to have it. Anyway, I'd love to hear some comments from people about the "feel" of the original vinyl LPs versus the CD remasters of albums up through "Big Express." As mentioned before BE doesn't really sound as good as it could on CD, and I'd love to hear a good vinyl copy. * * * * * Lastly, about responses to my Beatles comments... A couple of you were quite irritated by my apparent dismissal of "Abbey Road." I have to say you quys were quite harsh, and I appreciate that. While I still stand behind my overall assessment that I like the middle period work better, and that later period Beatles had some problems, I do think my tone was a bit flowery and overdramatic. When I saw someone quoting my comment referring to sessions "rife" with unreleasable material, I had to stop and think. When have I actually used that word before?? Anwyay, "Abbey Road" is a decent record. Like XTC, nothing I've heard by The Beatles (save for the "Let It Be" sessions and some stuff that came to light post-breakup) could be considered totally worthless. I just like the creative work of the Rubber Soul/Revolver/Sgt. Pepper era a heck of a lot more than I will ever like Abbey Road. = Derek Miner = P.S. - damn, just saw a preview for "American High," that Fox show I was talking about... seems it was taped by a camera crew and not the students themselves. Great.
------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 2000 12:54:00 +0100 From: "Robert Wood" <Robert.Wood@mutech.co.uk> Subject: Old Nick Message-ID: <00003415@mutech.co.uk> Organization: Mutech Ltd Rory asked: >> Nick Drake has featured a lot on people's alien lists, and previously here on the Hill. I confess to complete ignorance on this artist. << He was just this depressed dude who wrote music that makes Pink Floyd look like the Archies.He topped himslef in '74 and spared us anymore of his morosity. Rob. PS <BG>
------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 2000 13:07:00 +0100 From: "Robert Wood" <Robert.Wood@mutech.co.uk> Subject: Matters of genetalia. Message-ID: <00003416@mutech.co.uk> Organization: Mutech Ltd The Mole asked: >> Steve ? posted: "grabbed me by the nadgers and refused to let go" Can any Brits help out here? Does that mean what I think it does? ie: nadgers = tallywacker << Tallywacker?! That's a new one on me! Does that mean what I think it does, ie nadgers? Oh, sorry. That doesn't help! <g> Nadgers are your bollocks, old man - or to be a little more medical, your gonads. Testicles, town halls - whatever your preferred moniker is...
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:10:21 +0100 From: Warren Butson <Warren.Butson@getty-images.com> Subject: Jules verne and has beens Message-ID: <917A9E311021D411ABDF00508B605A470F1D70@lonexchg01.tonystone.com> Just thought I'd express my absolute joy at recieving the Jules Verne sketchbook cd from Derek at Mindwerks? It's beautifully made with (i assume) the original artwork and liner notes, and even a picture disc. fabulous. The quality is pretty good especially the studio out-takes, I'd never heard that song about the English something or other and even though it was onlt about 2 mins, I though it was a great little tune, others it appeared to me were best left un-recorded! Anyway the main thing is to thank Derek for all the hard work you put into it and you didn't earn a penny from doing it which shows what a nice chap you are, congratulations on exhibiting true altruism! Regarding groups that now suck, I think it's a little harsh to pick on groups like Moody Blues. Yes they've sucked since the 80's but for goodness sake they've been going since the early 60's, give them a break.Very few bands who made landmark contributions to Pop music can carry on that standard for 30 years, ofcouse they're crap they are middle aged men making middle-aged music as do most of the artists from the 60's. I can understand that a once innovative band has now more crap albums on thier catalogue than good ones and you always kind of wish they split at their peak so you can remeber them as a great band that were cut off in their prime. We can imagine that about brian Wilson thhat if he didn't fry his brain he would have gone on to produce more classic albums, but the truth was he hit his peak with Pet sounds and maybe could have done a great album with Smile if it was properly made like Pet sounds but I suspect he'd hit hit creative peak with Good vibrations. Whatever the case these artists along with Mccartney have paid their dues and some.They've all written milstone classics which will last forever, so should we still expect more or just be grateful that they left us with 2 dozen songs that have affected our souls possibly deeper than any other medium could or can.
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:45:40 EDT From: Jxnsmom@aol.com Subject: Re: Beyond Bad Message-ID: <b7.559b4ae.26b2e884@aol.com> In #6-210, unna@worldmailer.com wrote: << O.K. It is with much physical hatred and hostility that I type this "artists" name.... Neil Young! His voice makes me cringe. His guitar playing sounds as if the guitar is begging to be euthanized. >> Amen, brother! (sister?) Testify!! Amy N.
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