Chalkhills Digest Volume 5, Issue 241
Date: Tuesday, 3 August 1999
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 241
Tuesday, 3 August 1999
Today's Topics:
My Music (Right Or Wrong)
Re: Turning Into Chris' Parents
Prefab Sprout
Re: Fashion foolery
Re: Aimee Mann
Shriekback, that special moment
Oh Goody (Non XTC, sorry John, I'll have an XTC post later)
PAAAARRRRRTTTTTTYYYYY
Mr. Hitchcock for $400, Alex
influential bands, etc.
Cotton Mather & Shriekback
xtc and the beatles
Briefly, this time
Sgt. Rock Poster Sleeve Single
re: two penneth, other than redeeming rock and roll, that is
Re: [Re: Sting]
Oh GOD DOM, WILL YOU EVER FORGIVE ME... LET ME BOW DOWN AT YOU FEET
Shudder to Think
Head
Bags of fun with Buster on E-bay
Mecchanic Dancing
Zep
An it harm none...
note about Cotton Mather
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <199907301600.SAA04849@mail.coss.nl> From: "Mark R. Strijbos" <mast@coss.nl> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:02:55 +0200 Subject: My Music (Right Or Wrong) Dear Chalkers, > I guess we've gone around this issue, but never asked one > interesting question: WHY can't we define a "most important" artist > of the 70s? I personally think this has a lot to do with the fact that "rock 'n' roll" or "rock" evolved into a myriad of genres and sub-styles like hard rock, prog rock, folk rock etc. at the end of the 60's. There's just no such thing is a unified "music scene" anymore. For instance: one of the most influential artists with some real socio- cultural significance to rise during the Seventies was of course the late great Bob Marley. But you could hardly call him a rock star, now could you? it wouldn't make much sense to rank him to Aerosmith or Kiss (which were both just and purely US phenomena, transatlantic friends!) Nevertheless i'm pretty sure that in 100 years time Marley will be remembered for his musical contributions while "great" bands like Duran Duran or Aerosmith will have sunk into oblivion by then. But in all our recent discussions here he wasn't even mentioned... Too black, too strong perhaps? Mark R. Strijbos COSS Holland bv
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199907301725.NAA15161@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:26:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Turning Into Chris' Parents From: "Duncan Watt" <kanuba@nh.ultranet.com> Parent-fearin' Chris (CCooli9575@aol.com) wailed: >For the first time >in my life, I can look at the Billboard top 40 and see practically nothing >I can relate to, maybe two or three I can remotely at best. I'm turning >into my parents! AAAAAAAA! This is exactly the definition of 'rock & roll'. Duncan "brevity is(snip)" Watt
------------------------------ From: Cathryn Myers <cmyers2@law.upenn.edu> Message-Id: <199907310220.WAA09354@law.upenn.edu> Subject: Prefab Sprout Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Who mentioned Prefab Sprout? Yes they are (were) wonderful. I admit that Prefab sprout is a little more obscure than XTC, but if you are an XTC fan, the Sprouts should appeal as well. Although I think they both have unique styles there must be something similar about their music. I live with my sister and she is a captive to my music choices mostly. The interesting thing is that she is constantly confusing XTC and Prefab Sprout. If I play her a song and ask her who the artist is, she will invevitably guess either XTC or Prefab Sprout when it is actually the other. (sometimes she throws in Aztec Camera and Squeeze as a guess--if that gives you an idea of the sounds most frequently coming out of my speakers). But you know the sad thing about Prefab Sprout is that in the 90's they came out with Andromeda Heights while XTC came out with AV1. I just don't like it. What a horrible follow-up to Jordan: The Comeback. Now that is a concept double album. I never grow tired of it. I was listening to Swoon (their first) again after a long while and finally realized how innovative that was. It was probably one of the most impressive debuts that came out of the 80s. By the way, the order of the Swoon cd is backwards I think. I first heard the Sprouts via a cut out cassette of Swoon that I picked up in 86. Side one should start with Couldn't Bear to be Special. The first notes are an acapella chorus of a male and a female voice singing "Bow-- Bow-bi Bow-Bi Bow---" Now that was innovation. I have never been so turned off--yet intrigued during a first listen--until I purchased the new Negro Problem. Now there is a band I hope grows up to be XTC instead of what has happened to Prefab Sprout. It takes guts to put out an album like Joys and Concerns today (especially as a follow up). I just wish it had been better produced. Believe it or not I would love to see the producer of Nonsuch (Gus sombody?) get his hands on The Negro Problem. All in due time. Cat P.S. This is my first post to Chalkhills, I have been lurking for a while now. I loved the suggestion to cool it on the Bong Rips before posting. Whoever wrote that won my favorite person of the day award
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199907310634.XAA43995@mando.engr.sgi.com> From: John Relph <relph@cthulhu> Subject: Re: Fashion foolery T Lewis <tlewis@televar.com> asked: > >Hello? When have the terms "fashion" and "XTC" *ever* nestled >comfortably in the same sentence? I believe Andy answered that question: http://chalkhills.org/images/promo/MOJO_Andy_Dave.jpg Peace. -- John
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199907310640.XAA19865@mando.engr.sgi.com> From: John Relph <relph@cthulhu> Subject: Re: Aimee Mann MinerWerks <dminer@gte.net> wrote: > >For those of you waiting for Aimee Mann's next album, you'll be happy to >know that it's been done for some time. But before anyone else can release >it, label-less Aimee must BUY BACK the album from Universal!! Apparently Aimee Mann will release her album herself through her website (and perhaps elsewhere). See www.aimeemann.com for details. -- John
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From: fheaney@erols.com
Message-ID: <03a501bedb2f$22fe7580$cedea4d8@default>
Subject: Shriekback, that special moment
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:30:38 -0400
"Diamond" wrote:
> I have a question to any people who might be shreikback fans. I just
> bought "Go Bang" by them, my first purchess by them ever. I guess it's
> all right, but I don't like it that much. Did I make a wrong choice for
> first listening to this band?
Oh my yes. You did indeed.
> Is Go Bang not a good encapsulement of what Shreikback are
> like? If so, can you tell me which one I should buy next? Thanx!
"Oil and Gold" and "Big Night Music" are the best Shriekback albums,
probably, and the compilation "The Infinite", which gathers bits and pieces
from early, out of print albums, is quite good, too. Really, everything
*before* "Go Bang" is swell. Hard to say what happened there. It seems
like that's the point in which what used to be a style turned into a
formula. The later "Sacred City" is a bit better (featuring as it does the
return of bassist Dave Allen), but it's not really that good either.
T. Lewis, et al., wrote:
> "Who the hell IS that!?!"
Which precisely sums up my intro to XTC circa high school, 1985 or so
("Senses Working Overtime"), as well as the English Beat. XTC was active
proselytizing on a friend's part; the English Beat just happened to waft in
from his older brother's room, whereupon I demanded information
immediately. The last band I had this experience with (getting rarer,
because it's hard to stumble across someone playing music I haven't heard
before) was probably the Fall (whose new album is very good, though they
are perhaps the antithesis of XTC, so I wonder how many converts they could
find in this group).
-- Francis Heaney
"She said, 'I know you, and you cannot sing.' I said, 'That's nothing, you
should hear me play piano.'"
-- The Smiths
------------------------------ From: mollyfa@juno.com Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:56:11 -0400 Subject: Oh Goody (Non XTC, sorry John, I'll have an XTC post later) Message-ID: <19990731.051709.3726.1.MollyFa@juno.com> I love this type of thing. I'm a bit batty now, since it's 4:46 am, but I don't need to get up early tomorrow, I'll sleep until 1. :) Okay here we go. 50s: Patsy Cline, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, Ricky Nelson (I'm not an Elvis P. fan, I'm more a Buddy Holly fan) and The Big Bopper 60s: The Who, The Beatles, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, and Joni Mitchell 70s: Pink Floyd, Genesis, Wings (yes, I'm a Paul McCartney fan, so sue me), Queen, Roxy Music, and Siouxsie and the Banshees (oops that was 6) 80s: Kate Bush, Talk Talk, XTC (of course), Spandau Ballet, and Squeeze (oops I said a naughty word in this group, bad bad Molly) 90s: .O.Rang, Liz Phair, Ani DiFranco, Spacehog, and Jamaraqui Man, that was fun, but I could have gon on and on. Now some XTC content: When will Space Ghost Coast to Coast be on? Does anybody know?? Molly
------------------------------ Message-ID: <37A2F104.666921F8@which.net> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:50:12 +0100 From: B Blanchard <b.blanchard@which.net> Subject: PAAAARRRRRTTTTTTYYYYY Hi PeckhamRyePartyPeople! The party, if sunny, at 2.30pm onwards next Sunday 8th August which I told you guys about earlier, is in the Park bit of Peckham Rye Park, which is south east of central London. Map as below! Strakers Road, the road which divides Peckham Rye Common from Peckham Rye Park, is accessed from the West side of Peckham Rye. There is a car park in the middle. Go into the nearest gate to the park and you'll find us somewhere nearby. To all of you who emailed me to congratulate me and David for surviving ten years, well thank you! It was easy. Well, were lucky to find each other and THEN it was easy. Heave ho! Please email me at b.blanchard@which.net to say if you can come. Bring drink and sun. There will be an ice cream van probably in the car park, and the toilets are reasonable! Here's the map of the park. The MapQuest site is one of the better (UK Accessible) map sites I've come across. I am also hoping to find a detailed enough satellite site. But then maybe I am not as I like to sunbathe nude on my back balcony. Search away people! http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?screen=ia-map-result&link=ia-map-result&event=find_select&uid=ue00a9qn4809wcwq&name=&addr=PECKHAM+RYE&city=SOUTHWARK&state=&zip=&country=UNITED+KINGDOM&URL=&level=1&lat=514600&long=-595&zoom=9 Really enjoying the latest wordfights. Keep 'em coming. It's so obvious when people like Dom are winding you up Molly! The clue is they have written at all. We're all in this together. I think we Brits are better at irony, not a new realisation, and many Americans miss it. When you read a post by a writer you know to be British, imagine they are speaking their letter aloud with a large grin on their face. That'll help. The fact is, if we all like XTC we must have some sense of irony or at least know how to recognise and enjoy it, and the accompanying wordplays. Talking about pink things, anyone got any good punch menus (drink) that involves one bottle of Pimms? (Omigod I've turned it into a cookery site!) If the mapquest site makes this post go way way over to the right, forgive! BELINDA
------------------------------ Message-ID: <01BEDB26.178B5500.wes@iolvegas.com> From: Wes Hanks <wes@iolvegas.com> Subject: Mr. Hitchcock for $400, Alex Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:26:59 -0700 Wellwellwell, Kids, if you have the opportunity, go to the International Music Against Brain Degeneration Revue when it comes to your town. The tour features the talents of Cornelius, Sonic Boom, Robyn Hitchcock, Sebadoh, and The Flaming Lips. Saw said tour last night in Las Vegas. (To a mostly empty house!) To perform The Soft Bulletin, the Lips utilized tapes and film clips projected on big screen for a singular experience. The enjoyment level was increased with the clever use of individual headphones - whish I thought of that! Usually a second rhythm/string track was broadcast on an FM signal in sync with the live/tape music. If Andy is entertaining thoughts of live performances, suggest this use of headphones would work well, especially recreating the string arrangements and drum tracks. Oh well, one can dream. Imagine what Andy would come up with for the film clips to accompany XTC music. Always hated the way your videos were made? Here's your chance to truly express YOUR vision of YOUR music, Andy. C'mon, we're behind you. We won't laugh, honest. Wes Hanks
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990731172318.14070.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: influential bands, etc. RE: David SEddon's list of influentual bandsfrom each decade: 80s: Kate Bush, Queen (could have picked them in the 70s, too), Talking Heads, The Happy Mondays (not so sure of these, but perhaps they represent something that was new), XTC... I would suggest the following changes: 1.. Leave Queen off (or put them on the 70's list. at least they were good in the 70's). 2. Replace Queen with New Order (I'm not a fan, really, but they were very influential in merging new wave and dance music) 3. Remove Happy Mondays, replace with the Smiths. 4. Move REM from the 90's list, put them on the 80's list (for the same reason I moved Queen to the 70's list) 5. Add Los Lobos and Lucinda Williams to the '90's list. That'a all, Tyler
------------------------------ Message-ID: <000a01bedb82$3a3d9b60$b2601e18@we.mediaone.net> From: "Drew MacDonald" <drewmacdonald@mediaone.net> Subject: Cotton Mather & Shriekback Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:26:37 -0700 To "Diamond" (Digest 5-240): The best Shriekback record is Oil & Gold (Island/Arista 1985), though others may cite the followup Big Night Music (Island 1986), and I won't argue the point very hard. They're both terrific. Does anyone else still wonder how XTC's music would have turned out had Barry had stayed in the band? One of those pointless fannish imaginings, but I'd sure like to browse in the parallel-world store at which those records were available. (Probably in the bargain bin next to Hendrix Discomania and VH1 Divas Live: Janis Joplin & Mariah Carey) . To wesLONG (also 5-250): The Cotton Mather music you heard was probably the album Kon-Tiki (Copper Records 1997). It's one of those out-of-nowhere Beatlesque gems that caused quite a stir in the American pop underground when it first came out. It was particularly surprising, since the only other Cotton Mather record, Cotton Is King (Elm Records 1994), is okay but sounds completely different, more like an Amercanized Squeeze. Rarely have I heard such evolution in a band from one record to the next. I don't know if or when we can expect new music from these guys, but I'm certainly keeping watch for it. Drew
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990731200012.23038.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 22:00:12 +0200 (CEST) From: hans strmberg <hojs64@yahoo.com> Subject: xtc and the beatles Goddag, A quick reflection: Has anybody noticed that the bass-line behind the phrases "suddenly just changed address" and "suddenly just packed its bags" in "Then she appears" is quite similar to the bass that builds up almost the hole of the beatles song "Taxman"? (If I'm not wrong, Andy has somewhere said that the song is more of a Dukes composition that one of xtc...(huppf!)) Au revoir et adieu, Hans, Stockholm, Sweden, The North Pole
------------------------------ Message-Id: <l03130302b3c78d1cf5bc@[208.250.30.119]> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:17:26 -0400 From: MinerWerks <dminer@gte.net> Subject: Briefly, this time I think i figured out what bothers me the most about the current state of music in general. There was a time when record companies were willing to cultivate some artists for longevity while also presenting the latest sensations. I mean, look at Virgin's patience with XTC throughout the mid-80s, they reluctantly released Mummer and Big Express, but when they failed to live up to expectations, they didn't ditch XTC, they tried to engineer a way to keep them alive (resulting in "Skylarking"). Who's cultivating artists today? Nobody is *allowed* to have longevity. = Derek =
------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990731154421.00850b00@mail.adnc.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:44:21 -0700 From: studio seventeen productions <ambient@adnc.com> Subject: Sgt. Rock Poster Sleeve Single Hello Chalksters- Just wanted to let you know I put a near mint condition copy of the Sgt. Rock poster sleeve 7" single up on ebay for auction ( user id ambient17 )...in case anyone doesn't have one. cheers, dave at studio seventeen
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:26:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Fulton <fulton@ssc.wisc.edu>
Subject: re: two penneth, other than redeeming rock and roll, that is
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.990801151537.12605A-100000@guy.ssc.wisc.edu>
D.Seddon writes
> Here's my pick of who will still be important and what will still be
> listened to and analysed in 50 years time, either because they were
> excellent creators, inovators or both...
> I'm not sure who else yet, but not Kurt Cobain!!... a wastrel who didn't
> deserve much credit at all, but got it due to hype (and) bullshit...
and the small act of saving rock (from dying of boredom, for one thing).
Other than that it was a decent list, which makes your railing at
Cobain all the more confusing.
Cheers, John.
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- John A. Fulton fulton@ssc.wisc.edu -
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------------------------------ Message-ID: <001801bedc7d$ddd81060$070110ac@peter> From: "Peter Dresslar" <pdresslar@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [Re: Sting] Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:25:19 -0400 I could swear that the most universal and recurring thread in this mailing list during my 6(!) years or so of membership is, incredibly, Sting. I would bet that you could go through the archives and find those magic five letters a thousand times. Really, it's gotta be up there with "Dear God." At least you gotta hand that to him - like him or not, Chalkers are very aware of him. Most of the Sting related postings have been quite similar in essence to the following recent missive, from which I have snipped to the most cogent two lines: > Subject: RE: Sting > >>So I'm a wanker? I like Sting, but of course I can't like him when I'm > Oh for God's sake!!! It was a joke!!! Jesus wept, how blatant can I be???? Six years of this with no resolution. Hmmm... -Peter ==================== Peter Dresslar pdresslar@worldnet.att.net
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990802013301.17934.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: nross <phoenixyellowrose@rocketmail.com> Subject: Oh GOD DOM, WILL YOU EVER FORGIVE ME... LET ME BOW DOWN AT YOU FEET Dom... and whoever gets a kick out of these arguements that have, NOTHING, to do with XTC mind you. But...here anyways: XTC is cool XTC is fine And I'll end this soon Cause I can't rhyme. >> I've heard most of his albums sufficiently often that I feel I can pass judgement. You don't have to agree.<< I don't agree. You may know his work, dude, but you are ultimately biased in your opinion, as is everybody. You like what you like for whatever fucking reason... and you can make your arguements however you like. There will ALWAYS be a good arguement to be made against yours, assuming someone has the balls to step up to the plate. Its not to say you are "wrong". Its just that you are being obnoxious. S'okay... I've been obnoxious towards Duran Duran... but I quite like them, so go figure. >>However, when someone criticizes something despite clearly having no discernible interest in or knowledge of the genre in question, their statements don't really carry much weight.<< That's an alright arguement if you don't consider that you know, maybe they don't have any "discernable interest in or knowledge" of the particular genre BECAUSE they've heard it and think it sucks shit up the spout. If someone doesn't like something, why WHY would he invest the time to gain knowledge in it??? >> If you think I know fuck all about music then you're sadly mistaken. << whats a "fuck all" ? >> If you can argue against Hip Hop from a similarly strong position then let me know.<< Depends on what you consider hip-hop. You wanna talk about puffy and I think I can make a clear arguement against this man that never, let me tell you, never says a word thats clear... and its never on the mark. Oh... it just plain sucks, and I got one of his albums to prove it... I'm not gonna buy any more. Though I personally will not argue against the hip-hop of Lauryn Hill, even though I can't listen through the album in one sitting. >>as for Sting, I actually quite like a lot of his stuff. As I say, it was a joke, and not a very subtle one at that.<< Hell, I missed that one, please don't shoot me, I got a kid to raise. >>Maybe! Sorry, but it's hard to tell when people have such weak arguments.<< Some of us have never taken debate. But, I don't like weak arguements either. Oh damn, there I go again... arguing both points. I must be a woman. >>Besides which, there is often a bizarre air of superiority on this list.<< Superiority? My god, Dom... I ALWAYS like your posts. Personally think you are damn clever and your arguements ARE usually great... but you are very superior in attitude. Its your charm. Let others have a piece of it. >>I don't actually care that much if anyone likes Lauryn Hill's album or not. I don't even care if you all think I'm an arsehole - there's always some feeble-minded reactionary keen to send me an abusive e-mail when they don't recognize blatant sarcasm or hyperbole <<< Blah blah blah... what a shot, ouch it hurt soooo much I think I'm bleeding. :-) (I am joking) >> Is this a discussion forum or Jerry Springer? The world is Jerry Springer's... didn't you know? >>Cheers anyway <<. -Cheers!!! This has been fun! -Nicole
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990802042945.71950.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Megan Heller" <hellerm@hotmail.com> Subject: Shudder to Think Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:29:44 PDT to chris vreeland, commenting on Shudder to Think's "Pony Express Record", while I doubt many will consider it a masterpiece or classic, I blame that only on the lack of exposure. I just listened to that album this weekend for the first time in a while, and I really do think it's brilliant. I like it better than their more recent stuff (although their last album had a happier feel thanks to the lead singer's miserable year-- he was trying to counter it). What a voice! What unusual song structure! What lyrics! What a voice! I also have to have a certain amount of pride in the fact that they're from DC. megan.
------------------------------ From: a.de.koning@bpa.vnu.com Message-ID: <C12567C1.0030A94F.00@bpa.vnu.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:50:15 +0200 Subject: Head Since there was some talk about it on this list, I thought I'd let you know that the Monkees movie 'Head' is to be broadcasted this friday (August the 6th) at 23:00 hours on Nederland 3 (dutch TV). Before I say anything else, I'll catch up with my reading first (been away a week). Andre
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990802125721.93779.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "jonathan monnickendam" <monnickj@hotmail.com> Subject: Bags of fun with Buster on E-bay Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 05:57:21 PDT My CD copy of Bags of Fun is is being auctioned on E-bay for those interested. I guess every one knows that Mike Myers shares on odd habit with our own AP; 'before the first Austin Power's film MM took a year off and one of the passions he rediscovered was model soldiers', the Guardian a couple of weeks back Bands for the 60s Beatles 70s Pere Ubu 80s 3 Mustapha 3 90s still working on it... cha cha cha jon
------------------------------ Message-ID: <37A5BA1A.64657E96@zfn.uni-bremen.de> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:32:43 +0200 From: Erich Sellheim <sellheim@zfn.uni-bremen.de> Subject: Mecchanic Dancing Hello everyone, after the occasional talk about "XTC in strange places", I'm now confessing that I've heard XTC in the strangest of all possible places: in a disco!!! But seriously, I've never read a mention of XTC songs being played in a disco on Chalkhills yet, so I'll start by telling you that some years back, a local disco had a "new wave" evening which generally included "Making Plans For Nigel" (generally at my request), once even followed by "Living Through Another Cuba" which cleared the dancefloor faster than "Rum And Coca Cola" by the Andrews Sisters, the song which often closed the evening to get the people out. In another disco, I once heard "Dear God", and a friend of mine swears he once heard "Helicopter" there. As you see, from my experience hearing XTC in a disco is a rare pleasure, and I'd definitely go to discos more frequently if the music generally being played wasn't so unbearably crappy; in fact, I think most of them have some kind of quality control, but it seems to be used in reverse! Can other Chalkhillers confirm or deny this, or are you just no disco-goers? Best wishes, Erich
------------------------------ Message-Id: <s7a579a0.074@gwia.nwf.org> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:56:00 -0400 From: "TOM GRIFFIN" <GRIFFIN@nwf.org> Subject: Zep I guess that's it's time to de-lurk & give a couple of my completely irrelevant thoughts: First, Kudos to "Themolefromtheministry" for mentioning Led Zeppelin. I was waiting for someone to mention them as the 70's band. Not only was their music truly amazing (IMHO), but it was hugely influential. One needs only to look at all the 80's hair bands to see that that is true. I've been told that Def Leppard spelled their name "incorrectly" as a subtle tribute to Zep. (I'd give my left arm to be in Def Leppard...sorry). Secondly, I'd like to think that Public enemy will be remembered, though I'm not sure if we should put them as 80's or 90's. They were definitely unique and influential within the world of rap. And, they put on the best show I have ever seen. Thirdly, thanks for Chalkhills. It is always one of the high points of my work days.
------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990801223613.007cb5c0@popmail.iol.it> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:36:13 +0200 From: Giovanni Giusti <giovanni@delizia.com> Subject: An it harm none... <JEFFREY.THOMAS.JT@bayer-ag.de> wrote: >...the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do >what thou wilt" and the modernised Pagan Confederation version, "If it >harms none, do as you will". ... Withouth wishing to comment on XTC and the Wicca, just an observation on how modern this ideology is. As Mao-Zedong said in his Little Red Book, "My freedom stops where yours begins" - which is one also of the basic principles of modern liberalism. Which could cast a new light on the reasons the Religious Right has to call the ACLU "slaves of Satan"? Hmmm.... Sorry for the politics intrusion, Giovanni <www.delizia.com>
------------------------------ From: vangom@us.ibm.com Message-ID: <852567C1.005C9164.00@D51MTA08.pok.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:50:38 -0400 Subject: note about Cotton Mather I tried to send this personal email, but it kept failing. Sorry............ WesLONG, Cotton Mather is a great band iwth 2 CDs out. COTTON IS KING is out of print, but worth huntin down. KonTiki is the latest and in my opinion greatest out of the 2. The singer sounds a lot like Lennon on the second album, and the beatles are defintely an influence. Not only in sound but production as well., As for Owsley, I also have his debut and it is pure pop heaven. If I have my facts down correctly, he played guitar with Shania Twain or someone like that. From Nashville. I first heard him on NASHPOP, a great pop collection out of, well I am sure you can figure it out. I am always willing to trade tapes, so if you interested let me know. Hope this helps a little.......... michael vg " " - Marcel Marceau
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