Chalkhills Digest Volume 5, Issue 237
Date: Tuesday, 27 July 1999
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 237
Tuesday, 27 July 1999
Today's Topics:
Re: Yes but
Popular music
Pop Joy, self-sabotage and X marks the spot
Oh, come on you lot...
Rock's current state
XTC Vs. Britney Spears, Lauryn Hill et al.
Blur-t
Finally a reference to Guided By Voices!
NO
rock commercials
Bong Rips, Fashion Tips, Big Blond Blunders
wanted: reviews/news on XTC et al.
Influence of Media
corporate pop
Representing the ages
Surprise Finds
Why You I Oughtta....
DG photo on R Stevie Moore's site!
Sell!
Enough of hip-hop talk
SHUTUP!! and be still my son
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mollyfa@juno.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:28:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Yes but Message-ID: <19990725.002839.3622.1.MollyFa@juno.com> Hey, I like Yes and other progressive artists and groups of the 70s. I don't see what's wrong with them. Name me some artists and groups that top any of the progressive groups of the 70s. Molly
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199907250721.AAA13740@matisse.posinet.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:54:48 -0700 From: Queenie <queenie@pomn.com> Subject: Popular music Question...When did R&B become stuff like Mariah Carey, Brittany Spears, Brandy, etc??? My husband fronts a ten piece, old school R&B and funk band, and when he tunes into what is considered an R&B radio station, he can't believe what he hears. It sounds absolutely NOTHING like what it used to. Never before has a musical genre taken such a turn in a completely different direction without being given some new pigeonhole name. I mean, if you alter rock music even slightly, a new label is slapped on it, like "alternative" or "rockabilly" or something like that. But I have to say that, for the record, as far as the airwaves go, R&B is TRULY dead. Maybe the new thing will be the revival of the old school stuff. I would sure love that. On another point, it never even occured to me that AP sounds like Sting on AV1 until I read it here...I have to disagree. I find them to be two distinct and very different voices. (And...I like Sting as much as the next guy, but Andy Partridge is a far superior songwriter). And as far as influential, pioneering groups from the 90's go, I agree with those who mentioned Beck, Radiohead and Nirvana. Unfortunately, Alanis Morissette will probably be remembered as the one who brought angry, girl-power rock to the mainstream, although she might not have been the first to do it (L7, Kim & Kelley Deal). But for "alternative" rock (which has been the major bulk of popular 90s music) it's going to be Nirvana, Pixies, Jane's Addiction,etc that people remember. (I realize the Pixies were 80s, but that's really when the movement began...Music doesn't always move in perfect, 10 year cycles). My brain hurts. That's all I can say right now. P.S. I can't believe that guy that draws "Over the Hedge" reads this! I love that strip! It's so weird!
------------------------------ Message-ID: <001601bed66f$e739ee80$b2601e18@we.mediaone.net> From: "Drew MacDonald" <drewmacdonald@mediaone.net> Subject: Pop Joy, self-sabotage and X marks the spot Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:32:51 -0700 I don't know if they've been mentioned here before, but I found a Chicago band called The Joy Poppers whose music will probably appeal to many Chalkhillers. It's not that they sound like XTC, but their rich melodies and clever-yet-heartfelt lyrics are topnotch. I happened to catch them live on opening night of International Pop Overthrow, a multi-day all-pop festival now taking place here in L.A., which prompted me to buy their CD "The Golden Hour of the Shrine of the Little Flower " (Ipecac Records 1998). They also have a cut on the two-disc set given out to attendees of each of the IPO shows. Any other Joy Poppers fans in these Hills? Also, does anyone else think that the last line of "Frivolous Tonight" sabotages the song? As the tune slows and loses its bounce and Colin sings, "We're also ridiculous tonight," it injects a note of self-aware pathos which undermines the unpretentious jollity of the earlier verses. Perhaps Colin thought the song was too goofy without that final little sting, but I could have done without it. And finally, I just found out from a co-worker that she considered me a chemical-abusing wastrel for the first three months of our acquaintance, simply because she half-overheard a conversation in which I told someone else that I was "really into XTC" and she thought I meant the drug. I was amused by her cluelessness, certainly more amused than I am by the people who think our lads named their band after the substance. Drew
------------------------------ Message-ID: <379ACD5A.D921D3B3@connectfree.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:39:54 -0700 From: Robin Holden <rhoblidnen@connectfree.co.uk> Organization: RPHolden Software Subject: Oh, come on you lot... Chalkbedbuddies, Why are you all going so hard on Sting? Apart from writing about subjects he knows nothing about, which is certainly not a heinous sin these days, he's a damn good songwriter. Can someone tell me what the general problem with Sting is? Robin
------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990725114821.006fa06c@bconnex.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:48:21 -0400 From: Jason Long <jase@bconnex.net> Subject: Rock's current state Derek <dminer@gte.net> wrote: >Chris (CCooli9575@aol.com) wrote that the last really important rock band >we had was Nirvana. I can't really think of another choice. I can: Sleater-Kinney. Although they aren't much of a force commercially yet, they certainly fit the bill artistically. Their only potential downfall is that many people associate them too closely with the Northwest "riot grrrl" scene, which, a great deal of the time, seemed to be more about politics and conviction than actual talent. Sleater-Kinney are certainly the exception to that rule, and for me, they are the rock band that matters right now. If they can remain as fiercely passionate and uncompromising as they are now while developing their playing and writing further, they'll be one of the greats. And while they will never likely achieve the same level of success as Nirvana, they do seem to be on the verge of something greater. Considering that they record for Kill Rock Stars, a small indie label, their records already sell reasonably well and they have received a great deal of favorable press, which their music does justify. For anyone who hasn't heard them yet, they're a three-piece: Janet Weiss plays drums, while both Corin Tucker and Carrie Brownstein share guitar and vocal duties. No bass. While their roots and influences are in punk, they've been developing more of a pop sensibility on their two most recent releases, _Dig Me Out_ and _The Hot Rock_, which are both stunners, even though they do require a few listens to really sink in. As for whether rock is dead or not, this is a subject that has been discussed at great length earlier this year on the Liz Phair list I maintain, and a lot of good points were raised during those discussions. Myself, I really don't think that rock is dead by any means; if anything, this is just a resting period. This does seem to happen about every ten years or so, where it falls out of favor commercially, but it always comes back after a couple of years. The way that hip hop and rap dominate the charts now seems a parallel to disco's popularity in the late-'70s. During a typical week during that time period, as many as eight of the Top 10 singles would be disco songs, and rock took a real backseat saleswise. Also, during the late-'80s, there was a flood of teen pop artists (Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, New Kids, etc.) that rose to prominence, only to find the charts dominated by alternative rock a few short years later. I think the music industry does work in cycles, and within a few years, we'll see things shift again. There seem to be a lot of reasons for rock's (alternative rock, in particular) demise. Probably the greatest of these is the fact that so many key artists, critically or commercially, took several years to release follow-ups to their breakthrough albums. There hasn't been a full-length Nine Inch Nails release since 1994, both Liz Phair and Hole took four years to release new albums, and the Breeders and Elastica have both virtually disappeared, although both have been said to be working on new material for a while now. The list of examples of this are endless. I think that many fans got sick of waiting for their favorites to come out with something new, and they've turned their attentions elsewhere, as have MTV and the media. Also, in the case of other artists, while they have released material in a more timely manner, the quality of their newer albums is nowhere near that of their past releases. I know a lot of people who were disappointed by the last releases from PJ Harvey, Sonic Youth, and Smashing Pumpkins, and each of these artists have seen a decline in sales for their most recent records. Many still believe that Kurt killing himself was the beginning of the end of alternative rock. I'm not sure if I completely agree, but he was one of the genre's key figures. Drugs have certainly took their toll, not just with Kurt, but they've killed the creativity of other artists and have been responsible for other bands breaking up or calling it quits. I think another factor might be that since grunge happened, people have come to closely associate rock music with angst, and after several years of it, maybe people want to hear something different now, something a little less cynical and "down." Ultimately, though, there are still a lot of artists out there putting out rock albums, even if they're not receiving as much airplay or press exposure as before. It may take a bit more work now to find the music we love, and a lot of major label bands may revert to indie status again, but I wouldn't be too worried. While I will freely admit that there maybe isn't quite as much good music coming out right now as there was earlier in the decade, I don't think of this as entirely being a bad thing, as it has given me an opportunity to go back and discover a lot of older music I'd wanted to check out but never got around to, using the money I'd ordinarily be spending on new releases. My music collection has greatly benefitted from this. Also, while rock seems down for the count right now, it's never going to entirely go away, and will likely thrive again in time. It's a lot like in the movie industry -- horror movies were hopelessly unfashionable for a period of many years, but right now, they're regaining their popularity -- another cycle that never fails. As for whether the '90s has produced as much quality music as past decades, I have to say undoubtedly there have been some gems this decade: anything by Aimee Mann, Liz Phair (especially her first record), Jen Trynin (XTC content: Dave Gregory played the solo on "Everything Is Different Now" on her wonderful _Cockamamie_ album), Elliott Smith, Jason Falkner, The Loud Family, Matthew Sweet's _Girlfriend_ and _100% Fun_ albums, Beck's _Odelay_, both of XTC's releases, any of PJ Harvey's first three, and the latest Spinanes album. And that's just off the top of my head; there's certainly much, much more. Cheers, Jase
------------------------------ Message-ID: <379B1CA8.86189264@mpx.com.au> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:18:16 +0800 From: Jonathan Dutton <duttonj@mpx.com.au> Subject: XTC Vs. Britney Spears, Lauryn Hill et al. The state of the Top 40 is due to a much larger problem - the record buying public's apparent inability (or at least unwillingness) to think for itself. Instead, they are content to be spoon-fed whatever chaff record company execs deem sufficiently bland and inoffensive to have wide (though artificial) appeal. IMO, anyone with the power of independent thought could be repelled like insects with much of the dross that fills the charts. The truth is, XTC probably would have been international superstars if the English Settlement tour had run its course as planned. However, their fame would almost certainly have been short-lived, like any other chart act (do you remember what the number one song of 1992 was? If you don't, I don't recommend that you find out. Be blissful in your ignorance). If XTC had been stars in the early 80s, by now they may well be a substantially different (and probably lesser) band, that's if they still existed. An album like Apple Venus would be out of the question. It may not have happened that way. There are many bands that enjoyed enormous success at the peak of their careers yet are still held in high regard - many of them are obvious, such as The Beatles and The Kinks from the 60s, and Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd from the 70s. It's a little more difficult to think of similar bands from the 80s (in particular) and the 90s, but I personally believe that history will be kind to Madness and Crowded House, representing the 80s, and Radiohead and Nirvana, for the 90s. I am of the opinion that this difficulty is due to the glut of lightweight trash that proliferated the charts of these decades, rather than simple recency. In closing I'd like to make one final observation - people who have heard of XTC are scarce, but people who dislike their music are far, far scarcer.
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Message-ID: <19990725163351.10230.qmail@hotmail.com>
From: "Bob Crain" <bobcrain@hotmail.com>
Subject: Blur-t
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:33:51 PDT
>Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:07:40 -0700
>From: Adam Tyner <ctyner@clemson.edu>
>Subject: Re: Clever
>>WWi8064839@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>Andy's rotten luck: he helps to produce a few songs for Blur's >>"Modern
>>Life is Rubbish" album in 1992, but the band dismisses him because he
>>makes them 'sound too much like XTC.'
>Did any of those tracks ever surface, even as b-sides? I'd be very
>interested in hearing them.
I 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th that motion! Mr. Partridge has said in
an interview (The Big Takeover #44, go get it folks) that he has copies
("I've got them on DAT, actually. They sound fine.")
------------------------------ From: "Don Rogalski" <tonikuo@ms10.hinet.net> Subject: Finally a reference to Guided By Voices! Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:02:02 +0800 Message-ID: <000001bed6bf$6aa13540$19f81ea3@user> I'm grateful to Bob O'Bannon for his plug for Dayton Ohio's finest rock band ever, and am surprised it took so long on this list. He wrote: > Subject: GBV vs. Nirvana > From: "Bob O'Bannon" <batchain@earthlink.net> > > In my mind, the closest thing lately to the spirit of garage/punk has > been the low-fi recordings of Guided by Voices. Their CD "Bee Thousand" > (from, what, 1994?) was the best attempt of the 90s (yes, even better > than Nirvana) at preserving the attitude and rebellion of rock n roll in > its purest form. There's no way commercial radio would ever play > anything off of Bee Thousand, and yet the album is full of flawlessly > tuneful songwriting -- proving that GBV are not only defying industry > trends and standards, but are in this for much more than shock > value. (Their upcoming new album, I realize, is reportedly abandoning the > low-fi aesthetic). 1994's Bee Thousand and 1995's Alien Lanes are two mile-a-minute treasures of the most tuneful and gritty rawk and roll songwriting that exist. Period. Ever. XTC aren't that gritty in the rawk 'n' roll sense of the word, hence I make this bombastic statement, and yes, I am referring to rawk and roll as a genre in the truest white middle-class guitar-bass- drums sense of the word. (By the way, I think white-middle-class-guitar-bass-drums can often be a very beautiful thing indeed, but then that's a provocative and un-PC sentiment better left to a different thread) The best quote I've ever read about GBV goes something like this: "Listening to Bee Thousand is the closest thing to taking drugs without actually taking drugs." This is true. What I especially love about GBV is their disdain for songs of inordinate length. Most of their selections clock in at about one minute or so, the longest three minutes, and various short little vignettes last only for fifteen or twenty seconds. If at first listen you find the jumpy, erratic process of listening to 25 songs in 30 minutes a little unsettling, once you warm to GBV you find that deep down they are doing rock and roll in the truest of spirits, meaning that they don't give you any bullshit. It's mainlining straight to the artery, although the metaphor isn't completely apt because instead of dull heroinesque pleasure you get a quirky rush of melodious guitar and voice that seems to come from a bottomless barrel of creativity. Sure, they're mining the "rawk" thing for all its worth, but in my opinion they've dug up all the best stuff. I want musical ideas, I want them now, and I don't want them to be predictable and repetitive. Even better, I want them done artfully raw, but with the unexpected parts left in. To wit: > ... listen to "Hardcore UFOs," the opening tune on "Bee Thousand," >and wait for that distorted, buzzing guitar track to suddenly drop out, >making you think one of your speakers has shorted, then only to >crackle back in arbitrarily after a few seconds of awkward space -- >now that's rock n roll! Yup. Don
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990726025113.26669.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:51:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: NO OK, the relentless arguing about the merits of hip-hop are getting tiring. Count me on the 'Don't like it' side (I'm so out of it in regards to rap that I actually LIKED Arrested Development), but as long as I don't have to listen to it, I don't really care if anyone else does. Don't care if it's the cutting edge or not either. I hope I never get mistaken for someone who follows the latest pop culture trends. My relationship to pop culture is fascination/revulsion from a distance. RE: After all, the 50s had Elvis, the 60s had the Beatles, the 70s had Yes, the 80s had XTC... YES???????????? How bout "the 70s had Can"?
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990726030048.27727.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:00:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: rock commercials Yeah, I was sort of shocked and surprised when I heard the Buzzcocks on that car commercial. Could be fun to think up some, um, interesting songs to sell products. How about.... 'Sister Ray' to sell Trojan Condoms? 'See Me, Feel Me' for a massage therapist? or: 'Happy Families' for Planned Parenthood? ok, so its been a long day. I'm sure you all can do better. Have fun! Tyler
------------------------------ Message-ID: <379BEF9C.784E@gte.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:18:20 -0700 From: "May O'Mahoney" <may5272@gte.net> Subject: Bong Rips, Fashion Tips, Big Blond Blunders Good Evening Chalkies: A word of advice: Could we possibly condense some of our thoughts? No offense, no....I take that back....MUCH offense......but this last posting had paragraphs that were so huge that I just gave up in the middle of some of them because I actually had a life I had to get back to! I find a lot of little pearls of wisdom in these writings (why the hell else would I be here) but PLEASE lay off the bong before you write! (grin) XTC in fashion? XTC will always be in fashion because they have never been in fashion. AP said in an old article that he used to wear the most obnoxious pants to a bar just to see if he'd get his ass kicked. Enough said. And what is up with Bob O's statement about Kurt Cobain being another BLOND-HAIRED BLUE-EYED GRUNGE GUY?!!???!!! Huh? Um, I hate to burst your bubble Bob but Kurt never actually appeared on "Baywatch". And, uh, he didn't really care what &*%$in color his hair was as far as I could tell. Very Offended, - Nostalgia Girl
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990726052711.3188.rocketmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Miss DIY <win5low@yahoo.com> Subject: wanted: reviews/news on XTC et al. Hello, I've been lurking for a while on chalkhills, and the spirit and discussion on this list is part of my inspiration for Hypeless.com. XTC is part of a huge swath of great music which is consistantly overlooked. Hypeless is run strictly for music lovers. People that have their own tastes, their own style and their own music. The thing is, many music sites are owned or run by someone with a direct interest in a product. SonicNet and MTV, WallOfSound and Disney, and now CDnow and Sony Inc. All magazines are influenced by its advertisers. Emailed newsletters contain links and links of ads. And MTV? Well... We need a site where real music really matters. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ Hello, I'm Winslow Leach. And I'd like to introduce Hypeless.com, the site where YOU become an inside source. Where you post your thoughts an opinions under a nom de plume. As a result, you can say anything you'd like. I've been on a number of mailing lists for some time (chalkhills included, of course), and there are a select few getting this email, because you care, but mostly because your genre or band is not getting the attention and respect it deserves. We'd like to change that. winslow@hypeless.com For the skeptics, I'd like to restate the authenticity of the site. We are not out to make a profit, not out to capitalize on my contributors. Hypeless is a site where insiders can speak honestly about the industry, the music and independence. You get information on tour dates? New albums? Events? Share them with Hypeless. Please excuse the interruption, but I'm looking for some talented, passion writers, and this list seemed a good place to be. Let's make some change: http://www.hypeless.com/contribute -- Winslow Leach http://www.hypeless.com ----- Hypeless is _always_ on: winslow@hypeless.com AOL IM: wiN5LoW ICQ#: 42690349 PAL: winslow@hypeless.com Yahoo! Pager: win5low PowWow: winslow ----- Don't believe the hype. Believe Hypeless. thanks for your time, XTCers.
------------------------------ Message-Id: <s79c3ae3.079@mail.emmis.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:38:35 -0500 From: Erik Meyer <Erikm@stl.emmis.com> Subject: Influence of Media Greetings, The recent discussion about the influence of media on public opinion got me thinking a little (Allow me to ramble a little). I agree that whether or not an artist is popular should not affect one's opinion of that artist, although it does affect mine on occasion. Working in radio, I often get tired of mainstream music faster than the average bear. Consequently, I'm constantly on the lookout for music that doesn't fit the bill as "a single". Bands like XTC allow me to love music, and still see the humor in a Gwar or ICP live show. Oh, sorry, the influence of media. For those of you concerned, radioplay doesn't always make the difference when forming public opinion. We had one record label give us a flyaway to see a well known band, in exchange for playing a lesser known band. It just so happened that the lesser known band sucked, in every sense of the word, and even after ten or twelve plays a week for almost a month, they couldn't sell any more than 100 tickets. Hopefully I haven't strayed too much, but my point is that radio has to adapt to the public just as much as the public adapts to radio. Progressive/adult alternative stations will continue to play bands such as XTC for those willing to listen. XTC is not for everybody, and I like it that way. One more thing. Ben, Sugar-"Copper Blue" is an incredible album. If you don't own them already, get some of his solo stuff, specifically "Black Sheets of Rain" and "Workbook". Thank You for allowing me to vent, Erik
------------------------------ From: dan@gge.com Message-ID: <379C9ACF.3E024A81@gge.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:28:55 -0700 Subject: corporate pop keep in mind, all, that we (people on chalkhills and other fan lists) are *music fans*! anyone who bothers his/her ass to subscribe to a list like this, follow the discussions, respond from time to time (not to mention the regulars who have posts in almost every digest) is bound to take music pretty seriously and will exert a fair bit of thought & energy into finding interesting, new, "good" music to listen to and talk about and purchase. i think we are the minority. my theory is this: everyone likes music, to greater & lesser extents. but most people don't spend a great deal of time lurking about record shops & the www. looking for ever new tantalizing gems to add to/complete their collection, or will buy something they've never heard of b/c andy produced a couple of songs on it. indeed, do most people even know who or what the producer is? for myself music is a hobby. xtc is a specialized branch of research, if you will, of that hobby. but i think that the majority of the music-buying public doesn't want to have to hunt for it. they hear a song on the radio or mtv, they like it, they buy the album, lather, rinse, repeat. its sort of like when a person comes home and will turn on the tv and then leave the room to do other things. it doesn't matter what's on, as long as it's on. music doesn't play the same role in most peoples lives as it does to your average rabid xtc fan. or guided by voices fan, rocket from the crypt, kate bush, beatles, [insert cult-favorite here]. so should we blame the nefarious "music industry" (whoever they are. seagrams, inc.? see c-h digest #5-236, 'Rock Music: The State of the Union'. very interesting). i think not. obviously they're going to market & promote what sells, and if the pockets of people with good taste get left out, too bad. also, just because something is popular, doesn't mean it sucks, it just appeals to the broadest marketing base. xtc and any of their producers know exactly what to do in order to get a smash hit single, they just don't do it. there are no evil masterminds in secret command stations pulling strings to ensure mediocrity in popular music. there are evil masterminds looking at sales figures saying "make more of this! this sells!" for better or for worse. dan
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199907262233.SAA04400@nantucket.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:08:29 -0400 Subject: Representing the ages From: "Diamond" <arnos@nantucket.net> >I humbly surmise that there are bands today that make creative and >interesting music that will last well after the end of the millennium... >After all, the 50s had Elvis, the 60s had the Beatles, the 70s had Yes, >the 80s had XTC... could it be that this is the first decade which will >produce no memorable new music at all? The way I always looked at it was 50's: Elvis 60's: Beatles 70's: Pink Floyd 80's: U2 90's: Nirvana. Now, these aren't necessarily MY favorite's from these generations, I just think these are the artists that will define the generations. Not that we need just one for every generation. I think all of these would be better defined by several bands. Not all the music of the sixties was like the Beatles. You'd need to include west coast american stuff, like the byrds and the beach boys. as wll as the doors (They were sixties, right?). In the 70's you'd have too include the bee-gees, and Elton John, not to mention Talking Heads, and the sex pistols late seventies early eighties. In the eighties, REM, the New Wave bands, Maybe Sting and the Police. In the ninties, You'd have to include some rap groups (I don't like rap, so I wouldn't know who). And I almost forgot about the Motown stuff early on, like the supremes. It's a very broad category, music, and defined so surely, it becomes boring. I also wanted to say that... ummmm... I can't remember now. It'll come to me later. Oh well. Kevin Diamond
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990726213907.76306.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "frederick rains" <f_rains@hotmail.com> Subject: Surprise Finds Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:39:07 PDT Hi, long time since any post from out my way, just wanted to quickly write into the list to let everybody know of a great surprise "find" this morning. Out on some errands for the band I'm in I came across the classic "Queen Elvis" by Robyn Hitchcock AND the "3-D EP"!! Both in amazing relatively new condition and incredibly inexpensive! HOORAY for bargain vinyl outlets! And now The countdown to "Fuzzy Warbles" And "AV vol.2" continues...
------------------------------ Message-ID: <000c01bed7b8$deff9a40$09558218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Victor Rocha" <wstsidela@mediaone.net> Subject: Why You I Oughtta.... Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:47:41 -0700 Hello Chalkaholics, A couple of weeks ago someone said they were glad that Dave Gregory was gone because his playing was too slick.....TOO SLICK??? saying that Dave Gregory's playing is too slick is like saying that Andy Partridge is too clever......or Colin is too purty Victor Rocha www.pechanga.net just don't hurt nobody, unless of course they ask you
------------------------------ Message-ID: <379CF85F.DE23518C@autoreverse.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:08:04 -0400 From: Ian C Stewart <ian@autoreverse.net> Organization: http://www.AUTOreverse.net/ Subject: DG photo on R Stevie Moore's site! Y'all while doing "research" on R Stevie Moore for the upcoming HOMEPOP EXPLOSION issue of AUTOreverse, I came across a photo of DAVE GREGORY posed rather frighteningly accurately like R Steview Moore himself. It's crazy wacky fun! http://community-1.webtv.net/RSMko/TheContinuing/page2.html Ian C Stewart you record it | we review it http://www.autoreverse.net/
------------------------------ Message-ID: <379D20ED.8DC059B2@tmbg.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:01:07 -0400 From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <gott@tmbg.org> Organization: http://listen.to/loquacious Subject: Sell! Hillies, The lady who works in the office next to me is a huge XTC fan! I lent my copy of "AV1" to her, and she loves it! So, there! Also, here's a commercialism alert: Nissan is using The Smiths' "How Soon Is Now?" to advertise the new Maxima. What's next? "Greenman" selling Scott's "Turf Builder"? -Ben
------------------------------ Message-ID: <003101bed7ef$5cfb9620$e6c62499@oemcomputer> From: "Chauffefamily" <delia1999@email.msn.com> Subject: Enough of hip-hop talk Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:14:47 -0700 Hey Chris D.- You seem to find it more important to defend hip hop & Lauryn Hill ( yes, I heard her CD and I still think it sucks and is a pathetic rehash of the whole current Rn'B thing) and talk down fellow Chalkhillers. Maybe you have the wrong website- perhaps you should be in Master P's or Nationwide rip ridaz's sites?? For your information, there was once a time in the 60's when quite a few incredible garage bands were able to break the airways, which was helped even further when FM radio was truly "underground" until finally it too became commercialized as well. True, label owners were always in the business to make money, but it was a far cry from today. For the record, I am very knowledgeable about "today's music" but that doesn't mean I have to accept it or like it. As to alternative bands, at least they can play instruments, which does seem to be a problem for most rap or hip hop acts. It's not my fault that DJ's are programmed to play the same mindless 10 songs over and over again. Given a few listens, I think most young kids would give a thumbs up to XTC- as I have seen this happen. On a closing note, since you feel the need to know, my name is Charles, and if you want, I'll get you my E-mail address to discuss all these issues personally, as I don't want to tie up Chalkhills with swapping insults. As to my 'pappy' at 77, he can still kick a lot of ass!!
------------------------------ Message-ID: <379D5269.F5155F@gte.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:32:13 -0700 From: Randy Hiatt <rhiatt@gte.net> Subject: SHUTUP!! and be still my son On the Sting comparison..... Every Tenor sounds like the Three Tenors, Irish dancing reminds me of River Dance, am I an idiot?! no. Randy (hikuu) Hiatt http://home1.gte.net/rhiatt/index.htm what you here is the measure of your listening fripp
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