Chalkhills Digest Volume 5, Issue 230
Date: Thursday, 8 July 1999
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 230
Thursday, 8 July 1999
Today's Topics:
It's recorded in Doubly
Summer's Cauldron
generic post
Re: A QUESTION
Re: I'd like that, but only if was worth it
Re: Greenman: Single Sleeve Speculation
re: Operation Julie
Entering Puberty (Pop. 2)
mobile fidelity gold cd's
The Last?
Go! Garret, Go!
Shriekback crossover fans
SG:C2C
XTC still on XRT!
RE: Am I the only one?
Blow on Your Horn until Jericho Yields
NO XTC : RIP Mark
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if you have to ask
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <3781D1EB.6A54@realtime.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:52:43 +0100 From: chris vreeland <vreecave@realtime.com> Organization: Vreeland Graphics Subject: It's recorded in Doubly Here's what I noticed..... Shure is Son Hairwood writes: >Double-tracking on an XTC record: I'm not able to listen to The >Canon here at work, so I can't come up with any examples. I'm sure it's >absolutely slathered all over the Dukes. Anybody? Don the headphones, all. Now insert AV1, & skip to Your Dictionary. This is COOL. During the verses, the first half of the line is one voice. When he sings the words "in your dictionary," the voice is doubled (sung a second time) and panned hard left and right, giving just this half of the phrase "that little extra something." I didn't notice this until I sat down with the headphones, probably the tenth listen last March. Very subtle and effective. I worked with a producer here in Austin some years back named Mark "stack 'em up" Hallman, whose trademark was to make everyone sing everything twice. It's tougher to immitate yourself on that second track than you might think, but worth it if "fat" is what you want. More organic sounding than a harmonizer, or a short 10 millisecond. delay. Chris "no sheds" Vreeland
------------------------------ Message-Id: <s781fd1c.047@OAG.STATE.TX.US> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:56:30 -0600 From: "Steve Oleson" <Steve.Oleson@OAG.STATE.TX.US> Subject: Summer's Cauldron Have the posts really gotten dead boring, or have I missed something? Time for AV-2!!!! I hope that "Gregsy"s loss will make XTC a bit more hard edged. I love his playing, but sometimes he is just too slick, polished, er... glib. 'Course Andy has been so damn happy lately, he's probably gone all gooey. He'll probably put out a cd of childrens' songs! Drowning in Austin, Steve "the curmudgeon" Oleson
------------------------------ From: dan@gge.com Message-ID: <37825A5A.2B574CA7@gge.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:35:10 -0700 Subject: generic post drew wrote: > ...a friend -- who is usually trustworthy in these matters -- insists > that there is another XTC tribute CD out there other than "Testimonial > Dinner." Not true, right? What could he be thinking of, do you suppose? your friend is probably referring to some of the fan tribute tapes. you can find them on the chalkhills website at: http://chalkhills.org/product/ * ----------------------------------------------- favorite xtc things today: 1. my circa 'black sea' xtc pin that i found in santa cruz for a buck. 2. 'transistor blast' box-set 3. "radios in motion" 4. chalkhills digest 5. 'english settlement' * ------------------------------------------------ anybody got a copy of 'beeswax' on cd they want to sell/trade? oh, my head is spinning like the world and it's filled with beasts I've seen, dan
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Subject: Re: A QUESTION
Organization: Harmonix Musick Systems
From: dfan@harmonixmusic.com (Dan Schmidt)
Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:32:28 -0400
Message-ID: <wkr9mlmsdf.fsf@turangalila.harmonixmusic.com>
Aaron Pastula writes:
| Several months ago there was a posting about an "opera" singer, I
| believe in the 30's or so, who was REALLY BAD; a big ol' woman who
| was able to sing in Carnagie Hall, I think, because she ran in these
| high social circles and because all these little old ladies who used
| to listen to her apparantly thought she had talent. But she was
| really really hillariously awful, and the post was put up because
| there was a thread going on at the time about the worst music on
| earth, or something...
I imagine you are talking about Florence Foster Jenkins. Put the name
in a search engine and you'll probably find some info on the web.
Amazon, at least, has a CD of hers in stock.
--
Dan Schmidt -> dfan@harmonixmusic.com, dfan@alum.mit.edu
Honest Bob & the http://www2.thecia.net/users/dfan/
Factory-to-Dealer Incentives -> http://www2.thecia.net/users/dfan/hbob/
Gamelan Galak Tika -> http://web.mit.edu/galak-tika/www/
------------------------------ Message-Id: <s7821df8.025@tcwgroup.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:16:39 -0700 From: "Dane Pereslete" <peresd@tcwgroup.com> Subject: Re: I'd like that, but only if was worth it >Message-ID: <19990629043033.77478.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Duncan Kimball <dunks58@hotmail.com> >Subject: I'd like that, but only if was worth it >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:30:33 PDT <SNIP> >The "New Single" dliemma: to buy or not to buy. > >Well, I did not buy "Easter Theatre" and I am not going to buy "I'd LIke >That". I already own those songs, and I frankly think these singles are >simply not good enough value to warrant buying them as a separate unit. I sympathize with you dunks, but isn't it good enough reason to buy these singles so that our boys can fill their respective pockets with something besides lint? Wouldn't it make you feel good to throw a few ducats toward a good cause? :-) *------------------------------------------------------- Logging in from beautiful Glendale, CA USA "Waiting for AV2" daneperes@aol.com -or- bramage64@aol.com *-------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------ Message-Id: <s782295c.079@tcwgroup.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:05:08 -0700 From: "Dane Pereslete" <peresd@tcwgroup.com> Subject: Re: Greenman: Single Sleeve Speculation Janis Van Court profferred: >Question: What image do you all suppose might appear on the sleeve art? I >suppose they could just use a traditional green man carving or sculpture >against the peacock feather, but that would be kind of disappointing to me; >the previous two sleeves featured a simple object from nature, and I'd hate >to see those little still-lifes disrupted by a face. What I'd really love >to see against the feather, and what I think would convey the sense of the >song well, is a pine cone. Apart from being interesting and beautiful, a >pine cone would evoke the image of the forest lord as well as tie in with >the "oak and pine" lyric. I wholeheartedly agree with this and strongly suspect that the image might just be that of a pine cone. Perhaps an acorn would be fitting as well? (or both in tandem - Oak & Pine?). *------------------------------------------------------- Logging in from beautiful Glendale, CA USA "Waiting for AV2" daneperes@aol.com -or- bramage64@aol.com *-------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:00:40 +0100 Subject: re: Operation Julie From: "Brian Hancill" <brian.hancill@virgin.net> Message-Id: <19990707005634.KVMF3980.mta1-svc@[194.168.57.229]> About a month ago (I've been away) Duncan Kimball <dunks58@hotmail.com> said: >And it was indeed made into a >1985 UK telemovie: it was called "Operation Julie", and starred Colin >Blakely. The film was pretty pedestrian. Much better was the Clash song inspired by the same operation, called "Julie's Been Working For The Drug Squad", which is on their second album "Give 'Em Enough Rope". >From memory, the crucial part of the lyrics goes: Ten years for you Nineteen for you You can get out in twenty-five That's if you're still alive... Haven't listened to that album for ages now I come to think of it. The opener, "Safe European Home", is one of the best bits of sheer guitar noise terror ever recorded. Regard to all from Brian Hancill
------------------------------ From: WWi8064839@aol.com Message-ID: <b3aa89bc.24b401b2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:04:50 EDT Subject: Entering Puberty (Pop. 2) In Chalkhills Digest #5-229, garret harkawik <funktaisia@hotmail.com> wrote: > Am I the only 13-year old xtc fan in the world? It seems that way. Well, I'm 40, but I have the mind of a 13-year-old. Wes
------------------------------ From: DClep35@aol.com Message-ID: <de4efe3.24b408d4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:35:16 EDT Subject: mobile fidelity gold cd's I found a used copy of MFS's Skylarking for $14.99, I bought it. The sound is awesome! I liked it so much I ordered "Oranges", It was even more impressive! You probably have to have a good-to-better stereo to appreciate the improved resolution (I am fortunate enough to have tube mono blocks[home made rebuilt dynaco's]) But all XTC fans w/good stereo's should check these out! It's not the gold, but the AD converters and the care they take that makes the sound (MUSIC) come too life! Enjoy! BOB TONE!
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Message-ID: <3782D0C0.14BFC038@tmbg.org>
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 00:00:04 -0400
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <gott@tmbg.org>
Organization: http://listen.to/loquacious
Subject: The Last?
Chalkers,
Our local adult alternative radio station (here in the CT/NY/MA tri-state
area) played "The Last Balloon" tonight, at about 8:00pm. Cool, huh?
-Ben
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------------------------------ Message-ID: <3782D105.657C@gte.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:01:08 -0700 From: "May O'Mahoney" <may5272@gte.net> Subject: Go! Garret, Go! Garret Harkawik writes: > > Am I the only 13-year old xtc fan in the world? It seems that way. Dear Garret, You may be disheartened to know that I'm NOT 13 years old (rather, a crusty 27). HOWEVER........ I, too, was a 13 year old XTC fan many years ago.....(visualize wise old woman in rocking chair, warm, glowing light from an old lamp and cheesy made-for-TV music playing softly in the background). Back then I thought I was the only XTC fan. Everyone that liked XTC seemed to be much older. Kids my age were listening to static-ridden bubblegum pop from the likes of Rick Springfield, New Kids On The Block, Debbie Gibson, Michael Jackson, Lionel Ritchie etc., etc. (Now, I don't know exactly what kind of rock n' roll the kids all listen to nowadays, but I think some comparable bands would be Brittney Spears, N'Sync, 32 Degrees, oh, shucks, I mean, 98 Degrees, sheesh, I can't keep up with the new crazy music that's all the rage!) Now, where was I? Oh, yeah! Uh, even my own friends could barely stomach XTC. The most alternative they got was Depeche Mode........ I will never forget that fateful day (circa 1988) when a girl who I thought was really cool (but who was destined NEVER to become a real friend) punched my "Big Express" tape out of my 1977 Volvo car stereo and yelled at me, "What the hell are you listening to?!?!" What is the point of all this elderly blather? Yeah, you guessed it, it's a tough gig being an XTC fan, and an even tougher one when you're younger. Belive me, I'm not writing this to get some sort of nickel sympathy, I'm writing it to tell you why we are all here. WELCOME TO THE CONGREGATION OF CHARMING GEEKS! Yours Truly, May AKA Nostalgia Girl
------------------------------ Message-ID: <002301beb0b0$e1dde160$4a601e18@we.mediaone.net> From: "Drew MacDonald" <drewmacdonald@mediaone.net> Subject: Shriekback crossover fans Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:42:15 -0700 Fear not, Angelina (first time posting, July 3). Though I'm brand new to this list myself, I'm sure there are more than a few Chalksters who also like Shriekback. At least I hope so, because I'm about to tell my favorite Shriekback story. (It's also my ONLY Shriekback story, but there you go...) I was with my friend Bruce in his car on the way see the band play the Palace here in Los Angeles on the Sacred City tour in 1992. Bruce mentioned that the last time he'd been to a Shriekback show (about two years earlier) he was standing near the bar right after the opening act played, and was startled to see Barry Andrews himself approaching Bruce's little group. When he arrived, Bruce blurted a greeting and mumbled something about being a big fan, blah blah blah (if you've ever inadvertently encountered an artist you admire, you'll understand.) "Thanks, man," Barry replied. "Do you know where the loo is?" And Bruce sheepishly pointed out the bathrooms. So on this night, Bruce and I were milling around near the Palace bar, having heard the first act (I've retained no memory of them whatsoever) and waiting for Shriekback to come on. Suddenly -- you guessed it -- through the crowd comes Barry Andrews, heading straight for us! "Good Christ," I said to Bruce, "If he asks you where the loo is, I'm going to -- " I couldn't finish the sentence. What WOULD I have done? Just stood gasping at the monstrous coincidence of it all, I suppose. Fortunately for my sense of universal order, Mr. Andrews did not stop; he strode right by and up to the bar. But, in turning to watch his progress, I noticed another very recognizable fellow no more than twenty feet away. It was Dr. Timothy Leary. Neither he nor Barry seemed to notice each other, and soon, Leary and his group headed up to the upstairs balcony for the show. Anyway, that's the tale. Hope it's not too anticlimactic. But I'll never forget the time I narrowly avoided an almost hallucinogenic moment of synchronicity while Mr. Hallucinogen himself stood nearby. I wonder if Andrews ever knew that the mad doctor was among his fans. P.S. Oddly enough, I ended up spotting Leary at another Palace show a few years before his death. It was a set by Jerry Lee Lewis which I thought stunk, but Dr. Leary seemed to be enjoying it. On the other hand, who knows what he was on... Gunning for the Buddha, Drew
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990707172630.12711.qmail@hotmail.com> From: Megan Heller <hellerm@hotmail.com> Subject: SG:C2C Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:26:30 PDT I haven't been on in a while, so forgive me if this is a horrible repeat-- I just want to know if anyone knows when Partridge is supposed to appear on Space Ghost.. email me if this has been discussed already... thanks! megan.
------------------------------ From: kburda@sial.com Message-Id: <862567A7.00665163.00@notesgw.sial.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:39:24 -0500 Subject: XTC still on XRT! I was passing through Chicagoland on the afternoon of July 5th, and was grumbling about creeping along because of holiday traffic and the construction zone on I-94 when I decided to flip through the radio stations in my car. What lovely, last few strains hit my ears as I got to XRT? Greenman! Although I heard about eight seconds' worth, it was enough to put me in a much better mood (and make those stupid toll fees seem worthwhile). Kudos to XRT for continuing to air AV1 cuts (and, of course, for doing the Border's appearance back in February!). Also, one of the other radio stations in Chicago (either 101.9 or Q101- I can't remember) was doing an alternative A-Z weekend by song title. I caught the last 1/4 of The Mayor of Simpleton and got to hear the DJ rave about the song. Does anyone know if there were other XTC entries? Kate
------------------------------ From: "Robin Holden" <rhoblidnen@connectfree.co.uk> Subject: RE: Am I the only one? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:15:17 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bec8ad$0c5ef640$0100007f@robin-holden> garret harkawik wrote: >Am I the only 13-year old xtc fan in the world? >It seems that way. Well, I used to be a 13 year old XTC fan, but now I'm an 18 year old one, so there have been others. I joined this list at 16, and got my little virgin internet wrists slapped for meekly suggesting that I was the youngest member. But you are living proof that XTC continues to reach people from every background, re-asserting their obvious marvellous talent for making truly multigenerational music. It's just a shame there aren't *more* 13 year old XTC fans. The world would be in good hands, methinks. I agree that it must seem like you are the only one in the world. It's all-too-familiar, that confused (and slightly derogatory) look on young people's faces, often accompanied by the words "What?" or "Who?" in response to the query "Have you ever heard of XTC?" Ah, well. Keep up the good fight, sibling. from Robin -- "The strongest oaths are straw To th'fire i'th'blood." -- The Tempest Check out http://listen.to/pathogen Also view http://surf.to/robinholden
------------------------------ Message-ID: <001501bec722$e94e7080$0bfeabc3@vucqprlj> From: "David Seddon" <D.Seddon@btinternet.com> Subject: Blow on Your Horn until Jericho Yields Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:12:50 +0100 As I am running in and out the 17 miles two times a day to see my new lad and wife in hospital, I am playing English Settlement in the car constantly. Although I have little time to write email at the mo', I am bursting (and have been for days) to have a go back at the fellow who criticised ES. I CAN RESIST THE TEMPTATION NO LONGER!! (oops, soz about the caps lock!) Come on! ES is absolutely brilliant and IHMO was the lads' masterwork until Nonsuch came along. The drumming is the most awesome (in the enjoyable sense) that I have ever heard on disc. Nonsuch is diverse, polished and glinting; this is in a great groove almost throughout and is raw and impassioned. ES should be heard on the original English vinyl for fullest effect and should be played very loud! Very, very loud (especially side 2)! I bought mine in Penny Lane records in Liverpool just as it came out and the feel of that lovely leathery sleeve and embossed logo was love at first touch. To this day it is my most played piece of vinyl (perhaps followed by The White album, which is also better heard on vinyl than CD). The records labels are beautifully bold as they turn at 33 1/3 revs. It's just not the same on CD!! I prefer Nonsuch on CD, incidentally, in case you think I'm vinyl fixated! A few comments about the first side: Runaways At the start, an excellent, almost pre-orgasmic build up to that lovely thud of drums to get the piece really started. A great opener! Ball and Chain Although, IMO, an unwise choice for a single, this is a great album track. Colin hands in one of his most impassioned vocals. Sounds to me like he really means what he says here!: it's not cod-playing-at-composing like in Frivolous Tonight. The drums and cymbals are massive and Terry carries the song to a different level. The syth is lovely and a worthy melody on it's own. Senses Working Overtime Sorry to be offensive here, but who was the bozzo who said that this was a weak track? Sorry mate, but I practically choked on my coco pops! In my car today, I was singing along to this with cheerful gusto. The words: And all the world is football shape It's just for me to kick in space... Trying to take this all in ring very true for my present feelings of elation. This song has a fantastic structure. As a songwriter, I gasp at its cleverness. The middle eight "and bullies might..." is like the perfect bridge, and a touch of genius that I can only compare to Mc Cartney at his best. To cap it all, I love those droning medieval sounds that, to me, sound like drunken workers in the field of a painting by Pieter Breugel. Weak?! There's little hope for you, my boy!!! Jason and The Argonauts Like Andy, I love the story and the Ray Harry Housen film (spelling!). Yet again the drumming is excellent as is the guitar playing. The dramatic drummed pauses (there are a few of them on this album) are well placed punctuation. That instrumental bit with the drums and guitar is one of XTCs finest moments. The lyrics are a great example of Andy's stream of diverse ideas. Andy puts a lot into the vocals (now if I had time I'd go on about No Thugs next!). The song seems to surge like blood through the veins of one of the giants of Greek myth. It's very much time to get up and pogo. I hope that another fan of ES will write about the other 3 sides and say why they love them so much. I love them equally, but must draw stumps now!
------------------------------ Message-ID: <000001bec8c3$d9a06ce0$7d5791d2@johnboud> From: "John Boudreau" <aso1@mocha.ocn.ne.jp> Subject: NO XTC : RIP Mark Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:57:45 +0900 Lead Singer of Band Morphine Dies ROME (AP) - The lead singer of the Boston rock band Morphine, Mark Sandman, has died of a heart attack at a concert outside Rome, police said Sunday. [See http://wallofsound.go.com/news/stories/morphine070699.html for full story ]
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990707230223.88676.qmail@hotmail.com> From: Kjetil "Sorenssen" <kjetilks@hotmail.com> Subject: Hi y'all! Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:02:22 PDT Greetings chalkillians I'd like to introduce myself as the probably the only Norwegian xtc fan (yes norwegian critics seem to be fans, but are they really people? I don't know). I'm definitely the only 17 year old xtc fan in this cold, harsh country. To tell the story of how I became an xtc fan we'll have to go four years back in time. In those days I lived in Austin and had recently discovered the joys of music. I visited a local book store. There I see a copy of "Rock Toons", the history of rock told through amusing comic book characters, on sale and bought it. In the New Wave section (one page) of this book I saw that one band was described as in these words "half-punk, half-art". It was xtc and the drawing was the cover of Black Sea. The description piqued my curiosity and I remembered the drawing quite well. For three years nothing more xtc related happened. Then, late last year I was looking through the cd section of my local library and saw the same picture on an album cover. My subconscious suddenly hurtled forth the words lodged deep down there and I decided to borrow the album. I was hooked, and decided that I wanted to buy this record. So I visit every store in Trondheim but there was only one album available in the whole city. This was Nonsuch, which turned me of completetly when I heard it in the store. So we move forward to February 1999. I'm flipping through the "new" section of a record store where I saw Apple Venus and bought it without even listening first. It turned me into a devout believer and made me buy Nonsuch (which I now love),O&L and Skylarking. My favourites are AV1,Skylarking,O&L and Nonsuch in that order. I'm going to Ireland next week, where they might hav more than one xtc album available.Which one should I buy? Kjetil
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Message-Id: <199907080221.EAA23736@mail.knoware.nl>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:36:44 +0200
Subject: if you have to ask
Dear Chalkers,
> >I'd love to hear your reasons why you all think
> >that English Settlemtent is such a great album.
>
> if you have to ask, then you wouldn't understand
touche... or, as the French would say: duh!
"What can i say?"
Of course E.S. isn't necessarily XTC's greatest album; their other
LP's are about the same size as far as i know. i do feel however that
over the years it stands up much better than O&L - i tried it the other
day.
All my 37 copies of O&L fell flat on the floor in less than a second
while my first issue UK Settlement "with stickers and sleeves" was
still standing upright after more than a minute.
And it removed all my carpet stains as well!
Comparing one XTC album with another is a bit like comparing
oranges with lemons, really. In my experience there is a time and
place for all of them; favourites come and go and are re-discovered
again.
Like ES is absolutely my personal fave, for sentimental reasons.
But Andy's seminal songs on O&L (Min.Sun, C&C) are so bloody
brilliant and awe-inspiring (in particular on the MoFi gold cd) that i
probably play those more often
yours in xtc,
Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse
http://www.knoware.nl/users/mmello/
or http://come.to/xtc
------------------------------ From: JStrole@aol.com Message-ID: <d41a0835.24b570e3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:11:31 EDT Subject: Welcome to the Garden of Fiber Optics Delight Garret; are you the only 13-year-old XTC fan? Probably. Don't let it discourage you. At least when you grow older you will still be able to listen to somethings you listened to when you were 13 and that is a good thing. When I see something about the era when I was 13, I wince at references that seem close to home. I assume, because I'm in my thirties, a majority of chalkhills hail from that same generation. It's a curious type of balance we possess and is, in many respects, easy to relate to the writing and career of Andy Partridge and XTC. Which is, most likely, why the people on this mailing list get on so well when they meet. Just read an interview with Andy and you will see the paradoxes that surround this generation. Here is a man who commands an audience, yet refuses to tour. If you have a chance to meet him you would probably find as being very amiable; yet he's been said to be very hard to work with. In fact, he supposedly detests the "misinformation" we distribute here; but, if weren't for such forums he wouldn't sell many records, thus would he have a career? In fact, I was thinking about XTC when I was reading an article in the Village Voice today about our particular generation. Nobody in their thirties is very successful right now. I mean anyone you could look up to through the past 10 or 15 years has either been shallow or considered a charlatan or both. To me XTC has always been the band that points out what the real happiness and tragedies are to us. Maybe we are all too wise for our times, maybe we all see through the marketing ploys that are behind everything that was once sacred. But, I will tell you this much, it is still nice to come home and put on an XTC record. d. wrzezinski, I hope one day you will understand what all the fuss is about English Settlement. It really does start the ball rolling for the post-touring version of the band. Angelina, nobody is going to hurt you for being a Barry Andrews fan. It's not my favorite era of the band, but, I have to admit the live stuff with Barry on Transistor Blast really blew me away. Harry
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