Chalkhills Digest, Volume 3, Number 127 Monday, 9 June 1997 Today's Topics: Caution not necessarily advised... Astro-pixie (warning: many topics!) Congrats on Chalkhills Children!!! Baby You're a Crazy Man -No Subject- CC '97, short & sweet SMILE 1992 - ???? The love thing On a lark. English Settlement, Wonder Annual Andy and Brian...Again! Children, Jokes, and Pynchonistic Synchronicity CC`96 Credits Lumiere : Back from the Ashes TBE & ES Reconsidered, Favourite Bass Guitar Players Alternative Nonsvch ***IMO IMO IMO*** Now that I post more often, the messages get shorter. Administrivia: To UNSUBSCRIBE from the Chalkhills mailing list, send a message to <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> with the following command: unsubscribe chalkhills For all other administrative issues, send a message to: <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> Please remember to send your Chalkhills postings to: <chalkhills@chalkhills.org> World Wide Web: <http://chalkhills.org/> The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. Chalkhills is digested with Digest 3.3d (John Relph <relph@sgi.com>). Testicular tomfoolery.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <199706091526.IAA17110@sgi.sgi.com> From: "JH3" <JH3@alternatech.net> Subject: Caution not necessarily advised... Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:18:17 -0500 Andrew Lippitt <andylipp@snet.net> writes: > I want to urge everyone to avoid track by track reviews > of the tribute tape to avoid hurting feelings. It's one thing > to slam the Rembrandts for a crappy cover of 'Nigel' but quite > another to post here saying you hate, dislike, loath, or can't > stand any of the creative efforts of contributing musicians > that subscribe to this list. I do appreciate the sentiment here, but doesn't this imply that the contributors are essentially thin-skinned and over-sensitive? And that other list subscribers are capable of getting nasty and vindictive just because they don't like a piece of music? Of course, I'm probably just reinforcing that impression by responding in this fashion... Still, I'd rather read negative comments about CC in general -- or even my own contribution in particular (not that this could ever happen, of course) -- than a lot of what we've been seeing in the digest lately, if you know what I mean. And, while I know that many people think of musicians as all being sex-obsessed, cannibalistic egomaniacs with drug problems, bad hygiene, and poor time-management skills, I've found that hardly any of the musicians I've worked with actually ate human flesh. Don't you let them make you RED, --John "Mine Has More Reverb Than Yours" Hedges P.S. Admittedly, I would rather you slammed the Rembrandts than me.
------------------------------ From: Martin_Monkman@fincc04.fin.gov.bc.ca Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Astro-pixie (warning: many topics!) Message-id: <9705098658.AA865871225@FINSMTP1.FIN.GOV.BC.CA> In Chalkhills Digest, Volume 3, Number 125, the following was said: First, Joshua writes: >>There's a colorful, full page advertisement for Upsy Daisy in the July >>issue of CMJ monthly. It shows a happy ittle lamb leaping in the air over a >>meadow of flowers, butterflies, and bees (I assume this is the cover art). > >Oh, great, that's how to get people to buy the album. Why not just print >"wussy" in big letters on the front? Just wait until you see the art work for the "Easter Theatre" and "River Of Orchids" CD singles! [Note: these songs HAVE NOT been released as singles, and have not yet progressed past the demo stage _ I'm just pointing out that there's lots of room in the future for gambolling lambs and meadows of flowers!] Then Andy asks: "James & the Peachtree contains XTC ???" >My one brain cell, that is left working, is sending a message that there >was a discussion on this website about XTC either writing or performing >on James & the Peachtree, a Disney movie soundtrack. Can anyone confirm >what my brain cell is telling me? Andy was asked to supply songs for the soundtrack for the film "James and the Giant Peach", based on Roald Dahl's book. Two elements conspired to prevent the (wonderful) songs making the soundtrack: 1. Andy wanted to see the contract and when he did he suggested that he earn more money for his efforts, and 2. the Disney corporation, perhaps bouyed by the award winning efforts on the earlier "Toy Story" soundtrack, appears to have over-ridden the director's interest in Andy's efforts and assigned Randy Newman to the job of writing both the songs and the score. If I remember the "Musician" magazine feature on Andy from about a year ago, Disney politely declined his efforts by telling him that the script had changed and that his songs didn't fit any longer. This critic's opinion (based, in part, on the responses of his two children) is that the film is a fairly accurate replica of the book, and well worth seeing. Newman's songs aren't up to the calibre of those he wrote for "Toy Story", but are good enough. Alas, having heard the Partridge efforts, I'm afraid I have to say that Newman's don't quite match up. It has been reported here in the past (by Mitch?) that "All I Dream Of Is A Friend", one of Andy' Peach songs, has been re-written as a grown-up song _ "The Living Room" springs to mind. Look for it on a forthcoming XTC album! Next, Jon writes: >Rock Reads >Greil marcus and the basement tapes ; what did he listen to ? >legend has it that Garth Hudson has most complete archive. Indeed ... Hudson was the "engineer", and it was upon his machine that the sessions were taped. I've read reports that there are comprehensive bootlegs of the sessions circulating, although I've not seen any. And >Does Robbie Robbertson have terminal vanity ? I don't know about terminal, but it's certainly persistent. Then Pete <pete_srd@mindspring.com> on >Subject: English Settlement in a new light >So, my question is...(forgive me if this is on the FAQ), have these >guys had any formal music training? Sure sounds like it. If not, they >must have a helluvan ear. All of them. Gregory has some "formal" theory training, but the two songwriters are, to the best of my knowledge, self-taught. Andy is a confessed Primitive; I get the impression that he has studiously avoided learning in order to tap into raw inspiration. And finally (I have rattled on, haven't I?) Simon responds: >From: Matt_Kaden/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com >>Syd Barrett, Brian Wilson and Bob Dylan are all still alive despite all >>odds. Let's get them all in the same room (it would probably have to be >>Syd's place) for 5 minutes. Anything's possible. <snip> >The only useable song from the session, >"Astro-pixie Snakeskin Blues, USA", would limp clumsily into the lower >reaches of the chart. I'd love to see the lyrics for that one. Martin
------------------------------ Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Raymond_James_Co%l=MAIL-970609154636Z-9872@mail.rjconsult.com> From: Ed Miller <emiller@rjconsult.com> Subject: Congrats on Chalkhills Children!!! Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:46:36 -0600 My congratulations to Richard Pedretti-Allen and All The Others who contributed to the production of Chalkhills Children! I'm really enjoying listening to it. But there's something even deeper that that going on for me. The nicest thing about the whole affair is getting to hear the work of the Chalkies I've come to know over the last year or so. I think the tape adds tremendously to the sense of community that seems so strong in Chalkhills. Kudos to you all!!!!!! Richard... count me in for a submission to CC '97! Regards... Ed
------------------------------ Message-ID: <8AD9D82F01291300@ametsoc.org> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 12:29:00 -0500 From: dgershmn <dgershmn@ametsoc.org> Organization: AMS Subject: Baby You're a Crazy Man Richard Pedretti-Allen said: >The response has been totally uplifting. >I have wondered about doing another tribute tape. >I have hinted that I might. >I would like to do another. >I will. >It's official. Richard, you must be nuts! And I mean that in a good way! Count me in! :) I received my Chalkhills' Children tape last week and enjoyed it very much the one time through that I've listened to it. I'll comment on specific songs after I've heard it another time or two... By the way, I saw something the other day in a CD store that really made me curious. I happened to be flipping through a section of compilation CDs and came across a pretty recent dance mix CD put out by a German label. I don't recall the title of the compilation, unfortunately, but I do remember this: about midway through the album there was a song, ostensibly by a band known as "XTC," called "Drive." I checked to make sure it wasn't a song called "XTC" by a band called "Drive," but if it was in keeping with the other tracks, "XTC" was in the position where all the other performers' names were. I can't say I've heard of any song XTC has ever done with that title, much less in the midst of all these dance floor mixes by performers I'd never heard of (not one of 'em). Can anyone tell me what the deal was with this? Is someone infringing on XTC's name? Or did Andy & Co. sneak one out without telling us? Dave Gershman
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199706091618.MAA22099@ngw2.hns.com> From: Fritz Stolzenbach/HNS <Fritz_Stolzenbach@notesgw.hns.com> Date: 9 Jun 97 12:18:30 EDT Subject: -No Subject- In a recent Chalkhills, Dominique posted: "...but I don't think Brian Wilson would ever do anything as complex as "Humble Daisy." Respectfully (and with a full-on, enthusiastic acknowledgement that XTC pushes all sorts of musical boundaries, that they are the most amazing pop band in the universe, etc.), HOGWASH! Give a listen to most anything on the blissfully tripped out (and seriously weird!) "Smiley Smile" album, or just to the "Good Vibrations" single, and you may learn a few things about musical complexity and the genius of Brian Wilson. Or, come to think of it, just check out the track "Surf's Up" from the album of the same name (watch out, though -- the album as a whole really stinks). Right there, in that one song (a tune from the "Smile" sessions that turned up on the Surf's Up album many years later) is every bit of acoustic evidence I could ever trot out to buttress my case. Nuff said. Thanks for your patience -- and here's hoping you'll get turned on to one of America's greatest musical giants! -- Fritz
------------------------------ Message-ID: <339C3F13.59F4@ns1.mindmagic.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 12:36:25 -0500 From: Brian Matthews <btm@ns1.mindmagic.com> Organization: Ringling Multimedia Corporation Subject: CC '97, short & sweet Chalkliners! (SNAP!) I hope someone out there will let us know officially about how and when to contribute to the Chalkhills Children '97 compilation. I for one should be able to contribute, so watch out. Is there a chance of still getting the '96 compilation? How & how much? -Brian Eating future and shitting past.
------------------------------ From: Matt_Kaden/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Message-Id: <852564B1.0058AAD5.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:32:08 -0400 Subject: SMILE Here we have pop music's ultimate punchline. I never would have suspected my favorite record would be by the Beach Boys. Well, it wasn't - they were on tour. This was Brian's creative explosion at a time when everything at once came together for him. There is an exhilarating account of this era in the book, Heroes and Villains. What happened to Brian? He cared too much about his work, especially SMILE, the rest of the band (his brothers) were opposing his experimental tendencies and the rest of the monsters in the industry were putting pressures on him, he was tripping all the time at this point and he thought Phil Spector was bugging his house and his car, he was competing with the Beatles in a mad race at who would release the next record first and who's would be more sublime. He abandoned SMILE when Sgt. Pepper came out, because he thought that he had "lost". He withdrew the same way Syd Barrett did in a sort of reverse ego, or protest - "let them try it without me!" He then dropped the reigns and only contributed to the band when he was feeling randomly optimistic; then he stayed in bed for years. The mystery lies in the extraordinary atmospheres you find yourself in while hearing SMILE. There's much more going on in there...
------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970609165435.0066b724@pop.mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:54:35 -0500 From: Mark Rushton <rushton@mindspring.com> Subject: 1992 - ???? Can anybody think of excessive lengths inbetween albums by a group (not breaking up and getting back together) or a solo artist (not working on other major projects). 1. Scott Walker - 11 years - ("Climate of Hunter" in 1984 to "Tilt" in 1995) 2. John Fogerty - 11 years - ("Eye of the Zombie" in 1987 to "Blue Moon Swamp" in 1997) 3. Didn't Van Dyke Parks have a 8 year gap from around 1967 to 1975? 4. Stone Roses - 5 1/2 years (not counting the compilation of early stuff they released - "Stone Roses" in 1989 and "Second Coming" in late 1994) 5. XTC - 5 years and counting since "Nonsuch" I'm drawing blanks on other such "gaps" - anyone care to contribute? ***** shameless plug: visit the Bill Nelson WWW Site at http://soli.inav.net/~rushton/nelson.html - Bill Nelson Red Noise's 1979 album "Sound on Sound" is being rereleased on CD sometime this summer by EMI UK - this is one of the first albums where XTC's influence was on display.
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 13:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Dewitt J. Henderson" <0002170937@mcimail.com> Subject: The love thing Message-id: <97060918194003/0002170937PJ4EM@mcimail.com> Hiya friends - DeWitt H. emailing here from work at lunch... Someone posted a list of great streaks - Elvis Costello from '77 to '80 - I agree, but you're not counting 'Imperial Bedroom' in there? Andrew Lippett - right on. 'Nuff said. Michael Penn's new one - Brian Whitman, you got it, man. It's perhaps his best. I thought "Free For All" was OK, but this one is pretty hot. "The Loving" - sorry, Cheryl, but I LOVE that song. I don't know why (not picking on any individual here) people feel compelled to inform us all of the XTC songs they hate - it's more fun to talk about the ones we love. But inevitably, the ones some of us love are the same ones that others hate, and there's the cycle. Comments on Keith WIlkinson as an underrated bassist - YEAH! Trent, my man! You misunderstood (and it was probably my fault) my comments on 'deeper meaning is crap'. I didn't mean that it was silly or stupid to look for deeper meanings, but I don't think they exist in every single song. And what I was mainly talking about was reviewer's occasional tendencies to write an album review that reads like it was lifted from someone's PhD thesis on comparitive 19th-century English literature. I just think the *reviewers* are sometimes way, way over the line, and *they* are full of crap. 'All around the world, every boy and every girl, need the love thing'
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v03010d00afc201e80d24@[128.148.19.46]> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:41:35 -0500 From: Gene Yoon <Gene_Yoon@brown.edu> Subject: On a lark. Lately I've needed a reminder to why I continue subscribing to Chalkhills, as I've done since I was about Amanda Owen's age (in years), about four years ago. Then last night I remembered. I played Skylarking as I fell asleep, hearing it again for the first time, although I've known it well since it was a fresh recording, when I was just over four feet tall. Again and again, this album resurfaces as my favorite, between many-month intervals where I delve into the other albums and other artists. Skylarking captures in wonderful completeness what it means to be a living being on this earth. Mats of flower lava as well as all the hail and thunder. Sir Sun standing up, into grimey skies descending gray. Love and hate. Togetherness and solitude. You know what I'm talking about. I adore this album. It's beautiful. Listening in all its Gold Fidelity glory, thanks to my good friend and fellow listmate Tim Kendrick, to whom I promise I will return it after being spun a few hundred more times! I've made some good friends from this list. I've learned a lot. I've expanded both my music collection and my musical horizon. So I'll stay on with Chalkhills, though other majordomos from The Saab Network to Vermont Ski Reports have seen me come and go. Maybe I'll write once in a while if I actually have something to say or ask... I guess that's a threat. stay well, Gene fire they cried so evil must die
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706091911.PAA10585@cyber1.servtech.com> From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <harlequin@tmbg.org> Subject: English Settlement, Wonder Annual <Vinyl English Settlement> >Does anybody have the information listed above? If so, would they be >so kind as to share it? Or is me memory completely wrong? All the information you ask for (instruments, etc.) is included in the lovingly handled _English Settlement_ lyrics file on Chalkhills. >Anyone else think "Wonder Annual" is a great song that you >didn't think was so great when you first heard it? Not so much that as I just ignored it for a while. But agreed, great song. "And if lust equals knowledge, then I side with the snake..." Josh /-------------Joshua Hall-Bachner-------------Chaos Harlequin-------------\ | harlequin@tmbg.com http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/ | |"We all have our idiosyncracies -- maybe thinning hair, or gum disease." | \---- Kowanko, "Will You Come To?" ------ Thank You, And Goodnight. ------/
------------------------------ Message-ID: <339C1EEF.3A61@snet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 15:19:12 +0000 From: Andrew Lippitt <andylipp@snet.net> Subject: Andy and Brian...Again! Hello Chalkish types: Dominique (y9d62@ttacs1.ttu.edu) wrote: > I don't think > Brian Wilson would ever do anything as complex as "Humble Daisy." While I agree with the main thrust of your post, that XTC is building on, rather than recycling, musical ideas, I do have a problem with the quote above. Listen to the 'Smile" stuff, as well as 'Pet Sounds' and 'Good Vibrations' and I think that you may change your opinion as to Brian Wilson's complexity. 'Humble Daisy' is wonderful, and quite Smile-like, especially in the background chanting about 1'50' into the song. Check out the 'Heroes and Villains' session recordings from which that idea was stol...er...inspired. Many of Brian's innovations spring from inspirations of his musical past, as well as the work of his contemporaries (Phil Spector, the Four Freshman, the Beatles and God Only Knows how many others). This has been discussed many times in Chalkhills. Andy is also allowed to learn from history in this manner, so no foul should be called on this play. Andy and Brian are both fond of intricate, ingenious arrangements, which is one of the reasons I love 'em both. To say one is more or less complex than the other serves no purpose. Also, <J_ARTECONA@RCMAD.UPR.CLU.EDU> asked about Brian: >Did he suffer the fate of SYd Barret and go nuts or >did something else happen. I remember a 60 minutes piece on him a few >years back and he sounded sort of loony. There are several Beach Boys books that try to answer the question: "Why _is_ Brian nuts now?" (Im paraphrasing). Seek them out. As to what hes doing now, there was a TV special and CD called I Just Wasnt Made for These Times about a year ago. It was a watered-down history with new recordings of old songs. Don Was produced both in an attempt to get Brian creating again. From the film, its clear that Brian is still a few tacos short of a combination platter, but is more lucid than he has been in years. He also did a true Stereo mix of Pet Sounds which is to be included in a 4 CD Pet Sounds boxed set. The release has been delayed several times, but is supposed to eventually appear later this year, but don't hold your breath. (Sort of like waiting for a new XTC release.) OK, Bye, Andrew
------------------------------ Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=BTG._Inc.%l=EXCH_SERVER-970609192751Z-1949@exchserver.btg.com> From: "Sherwood, Harrison" <hsherwood@btg.com> Subject: Children, Jokes, and Pynchonistic Synchronicity Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:27:51 -0400 Got my copy of Chalkhills' Children last Friday, and may I simply say, in humble and awestruck admiration, that Richard Pedretti-Allen is Like Unto a God. Currently receiving heavy rotation in the Casey Casem's Top Forty Countdown that is my car stereo is NaoyuKing and TomoKong's "Goosey Goosey," which combines the freewheeling life-force of the Legendary Stardust Cowboy with the intensely modal musicality of the Shaggs in an amalgam of Gothick ocarina-fueled _liebestodt_ and, and, and..._schadenfreude_. Number Two with a bullet (ouch!) is the utterly demented "Collideascope" from Philip McEachern & Rob Bernard. Go tell it to the Tube Screamer, bhoyos! They're coming to take you away! Everybody that did the back-masking: OK, so that's the way you want to play, eh? Look, we can do this the easy way or we can do it the fun way. Either you 'fess up and tell us what you said, or we're all going to have to download some digital recording shareware and figure it out for ourselves. Simple as that, kids. Note to Richard: Elena Kagarlitsky is to be commended for her fine work on the cover art. (Anybody get the joke?) It's an odd thing, but the cover reminds me not a little bit of the cover of Thomas Pynchon's new book, _Mason & Dixon,_ which features a large, "distressed" antique ampersand very like the c-in-a-circle copyright symbol on "Children." (I am by no means implying that anybody stole anything from anybody: This is, I am sure, much more of a Jungian, Cosmic Unconscious, wow-man-this-is-great-pot synchronicity kind of thang. Maybe it's the Time of Year. No, maybe it's the Time of Man. It's Mescalito/Beelzebub/Alistair Crowley/Roswell Grays/Bob Dobbs trying to tell us something. It's the Year of the Large Typographical Symbol on the Fronts of Things.) Tom "cut me some" Slack said: >Harrison Sherwood has become a timid, >withdrawn man, prone to repeating statements several times to ensure >it isn't taken the wrong way. Oh, don't you worry about me, Tom. Since extricating my scrotum from that particular wringer, I've moved on to bigger and better things. Let's all do the same, eh? Move on, I mean. Not get our scrotums in a wringer. Those of us who _have_ scrotums, anyway. You women who don't have scrotums (not that there's anything _wrong_ with that!) will have to get something _else_ not caught in a wringer. And move on. And for all those Chalkhillians who _like_ getting their scrotums in a wringer, please don't take this as a knock on your lifestyle. It takes two wings to fly. Oh, and eunuchs. No, I mean that eunuchs probably don't have quite the scrotal elasticity it takes to get caught in a wringer. Not that it takes two eunuchs to fly. That would be silly. A-and hermaphrodites, who will probably have to make the wringer/no wringer decision on a case-by-case basis. There. Everybody covered? (Yes, but with _what_, exactly?) There resides on my computer's desktop a textfile that repeats 500 times, "I will NOT troll Chalkhills with stupid, easily misinterpreted jokes and cause endless prattle for weeks upon weeks until the moderator has to stomp on it." However, since I only typed it once and then cut-and-pasted the rest of the iterations, its value as penance is questionable. Harrison "As is self-flagellation: Get 2000 friends to do it instead!" >Sherwood
------------------------------ From: Richard.PedrettiAllen@octel.com Message-Id: <c=US%a=_%p=Octel%l=EX-CAMPUS1-970609203429Z-12018@ex-campus1.corp.octel.com> Subject: CC`96 Credits Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:34:29 -0700 By the way, sorry to the contributor's of Chalkhills' Children `96 who asked that their band name be listed. As it turns out the credits just wouldn't fit with all of the names, instruments AND band names. I felt that the contributor's names were critical. Then it became a coin toss between listing the instruments and listing the band names. If I deleted the three band names, then everything else would fit, so I chose to do that. The three are: The Geckos: 1000 Umbrellas Motorman's Glove: My Love Explodes Karate-Men: Goosey Goosey My other apology is to Mitch Freidman. I have spelled the title wrong on his contribution in various places. 1) XTSea, 2) XTsea and 3) XTC Medley. What he wanted was "XTSEA" so I completely blew it on that. The asterisk missing (to indicate "Chalkid") from my own name is an oversight! I'm truly surprised at how many people have already caught it! Sheesh! I guess I never checked my own name. I can't see the picture if I'm inside the frame. Ooooh, I feel a song coming on! Cheers, Richard
------------------------------ Message-ID: <339C6B15.3214@hol.fr> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 22:44:05 +0200 From: Patrick Bourcier <pbourcier@hol.fr> Subject: Lumiere : Back from the Ashes Hello Chalkhillians, I'm new on the Net and I'm a new subscriber on your list. I read with great pleasure all your comments on this newsgroup since I have been connected. After being a passive reader, I am now an active contributor. I'll try to write no off-topic comments and apologies for the length of this posting and my poor English ! " Les Inrockuptibles " is a weekly French magazine. It deals with music (Pop, Rock,Indie, World,...), various arts and media (cinema,culture, TV, etc...). There's a lot of journalists in "Les Inrockuptibles" who are long time XTC lovers. For the 10th birthday of their magazine, they have made their definitive selection for the 100 best albums of the 10 years from 1986 to 1996. It's true that O & L was ranked a miserable 99 ! But what a pity because us - fans, we know that XTC deserves a better ranking and not with a sole LP being ranked. I'll scan or xerox the article for those who want this kind of archive. I can even try to translate it but the journalists of this music review are reputed to be (or they like to think they are, as the more jealous ones would say) " intellectual ". Contrarily to most music magazine journalists, the style they write in is a very complicated and metaphoric(?) one. They have made an exhaustive box set of 6 CDs in a limited edition with a lot of various artists and on it you can find XTC and his "Mayor of Simpleton" (surely a future collector item). They already have contributed to the famous Tiny circus of life and its famous horrible front sleeve. What a lot of criticism ! But dont worry ... I really love this magazine! L'Affaire Louis Trio : Anyone who reads the Little Express knows that the french pop group " L'Affaire Louis Trio " has played 4 songs with Colin on bass in the LP 'L'homme aux 1000 vies'. I have recently interviewed the leader of this group, Cleet Boris (a very charming and interesting gentleman). The interview is now available in french and (hopefully) in English for the Little Express. You'll read some funny stories about the Brussels session with Colin Moulding. They have made another CD with Jean-Louis Solans on guitar. This man is none other than the lead singer and guitarist of my own group where I play the guitar and I (try to ) sing : The X-Troverts. Like the Dutch Vanishing Girls, the X-Troverts is an XTC covers-only group. We have played almost 30 songs live during two concerts as a trial run. We plan to perform again very soon and to inform every XTC fan for the big fiesta in Paris. Our drummer, a XTC fan (what a surprise !), Sir Sylvain Cherrier has an E-mail too (cherrier@planete.net). He's working on the brand new Webpage of our group (soon available). But now, I have two ambitious projects : 1) - A French Tribute to XTC. I would like to know if there are some french groups or artists who would like to cover XTC. E-mail me directly or write at : Association Lumiere Patrick Bourcier 44 rue Pierre Dulac 94120 Fontenay-Sous-Bois France (Fontenay-Sous-Bois is 10 kms from Paris) 2) The principal subject of this posting : Lumiere. Do you remember the address of Lumiere in the Skylarking Credits ? This Address at Rueil-Malmaison has definetly lapsed. Please don't send anything at this address anymore . There will be no answer ! A very good friend of mine, Christophe Depreitere was the last Chairman of the French official XTC fan club, the famous (sic) Lumiere. Sorry, sorry, and sorry again for the ones who wrote and sent things. The person has moved a long time ago and he is so busy now that he can't carry on with this adventure. I will take the controls of the New Lumiere with some of my friends and our project is to create a web site in French with XTC as our only subject. Hang on ! We do not aim to compete with Chalkhills or any other XTC sites. The work of John Relph is really brilliant and I admire him. We just want to give an alternative for those who are more comfortable in French. It's plain for us that the main links are Chalkhills, this site, and the other sites linked by Chalkhills. We only want to be a branch, another branch, another link like the others. 'Any kind of site is alright' ;-) But we need some original ideas. This site will perhaps be in two formats : English and French. The people who will help me are Philippe Bihan and Frederic Solans. The first one is well known by the readers of the Little Express. He is the one who has contributed in the brussels session between Colin and Louis Trio. He has written the first biography of XTC in french (still to be issued). The second one is the bassist of the X-Troverts and the brother of Jean-Louis Solans,the session guitarist of L'Affaire(always) As you see, everybody's revolving around the XTC planet. My little story : I've already met Colin and Andy. It was in 1988. They were in France to promote O&L. Our fan commitee had organised a little party near Paris. I'll never forget this night, Chakhillians Andy showed me on a Fender Guitar the intro chords of Mayor of Simpleton. And later , he sat on the floor and played some acoustic versions of Blue Beret and Scarecrow people. And there was no tape recorder around to capture this magic moment ! (sigh .. sigh). I have some pictures of this encounter of the third kind. An other couple of things : I have met too Martin Newell when he was in France to promote his fantastic ` Greatest Englishman '. Some pictures I took were published in an issue of the Little Express. I have talked to him and seen he was very friendly. At this time, he wanted to make a cover of Im the man who murdered love but finally he didnt. I have a PAL VCR. Some of you could send me some videos (the Letterman Show, The man who sailed around his soul, The meeting place ,Dear god, Grass, ...). I always hear about it but I have never seen it. Questions chapter : Am I the only Frenchman here ? I know there are a lot of French fans. Where are you, folxtc ? Where is Erich Sellheim from Bremen ? He sent me a lot of incredible chords of XTC. If you read these lines, e-mail me directly. I would really like to hear the tapes of the chalkhillians compiled by Richard Pendretti-Allen. Could somebody send me a copy please? Or any individual covers ? I didnt come for the Basingstoke Convention. Your reporting posts in the list makes me regret it more and more. But fatherhood and other things anchored my feet in France. I was surprised to hear that (according to Jason) " E-Bow, the letter" - is the favorite R.E.M. song of Andy. The fact is that in a english paper, Andy said that Michael Sipe would like to work with him but he (AP) finds that REM 's leader should first work on his own. A song like "E-Bow, the letter" is a bit poor, both melodically and lyrically. Last minute : A french artist named Julien Baer has, in his brand-new CD, a track (Juillet 66 - July 66 ) where Mr Dave Gregory (the one you know) plays the guitar in the chorus. The song sounds like an old Serge Gainsbourgs song - a 60s one. To close the cover chapter, Colin's track " Crowded room " was covered by a french artist named Charles De Goal (label Newrose). Just to complete the list ... This is the End ...of this communication. P.S : Becki, please, tell me how I can have your CD. I believe you live in the States, and it's very hard to have anything from there to come to France and the price doubles while travelling across the Atlantic (post or bank charges and so on). E mail me the exact references of your CD (Label,production,...). Maybe I could import it ...
------------------------------ Message-Id: <s39c36a0.025@elsevier.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:59:56 -0400 From: Ralph DeMarco <r.demarco@elsevier.com> Subject: TBE & ES Reconsidered, Favourite Bass Guitar Players Dear One Armed Bandits and Affiliated Members: A few weeks ago I listed my top ten XTC albums and in the short time since I have changed my mind about The Big Express - the more I listen to it, the more I love it! Also, ditto for English Settlement. Re: Favorite bass players (remember, I?m not up on all the young players so forgive me.) Pop/Rock: * Paul McCartney - I am happy to see Sir Paul getting his proper respects. Instead of just tagging along with the guitars and drums he made rock bass playing part of the melody over all atmosphere of the song! Very creative. *Colin Moulding - Though not well known as a great bassist, a few examples of XTC will convert the unbelieving. He takes Paul McCartney?s ball and runs with it big time. * John Entwistle - one of the best power rock bassists. One of the best drum-bass teams ever: Moon and Entwistle. * Noel Redding - there was a good reason why Hendrix chose Redding (and Mitchell) to back him up as The Experience when he could have gotten just about anyone. Redding was amazing. Another great drum-bass team. Jazz/Funk: * Charles Mingus - Pioneer, genius...the jazz bass player against whom all are judged. * Jaco Pastorious - When this jazz bassist wanted to join Weather Report he told their manager "I'm the greatest bass player alive" he was not exaggerating. (Too bad he?s dead now) He re-invented jazz-fusion bass. * Stanley Clarke - All you need to do is listen to one album ?School Days? to understand why he is so damn good. Wonderful composer. * Bootsy Collins - before transforming Funkadelic/Parliament's sound this pioneer transformed James Brown's band into the funkiest thang ever heard (think of Sex Machine OOWW!). Folk/Blues-Rock: * Danny Thompson - Thanks for mentioning him! The work he does with Richard Thompson is superb. Saw them last year with the R. Thompson band (which included Dave Maddox on drums). What subtle artistry with the band and alone with Richard. * Jack Cassidy - Bass player for Hot Tuna (Jorma Kaukonen-guitar) and earlier with Jefferson Airplane. Jack is a wonder to behold. * Rick Danko - All the members of The Band were amazing musicians (that?s why Dylan loved working with them so much). Danko has always been rock-solid and no-nonsense. Reggae: * Robbie Shakespear - usually known as the counterpart to Sly Dunbar (drummer). They are two of the most sought after bass-drum duos in music. And they play everything! Notice them on Dylan?s Infidels. They really created a new sound. Let me know who I forgot. Ralph "Moondoggie" DeMarco
------------------------------ From: Matt_Kaden/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Message-Id: <852564B1.00736F1F.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:03:20 -0400 Subject: Alternative Nonsvch Dear Madum Barnum Crocodile The Ugly Underneathe That Wave Then She Appeared Humble Daisy Holly Up On Poppy Wrapped In Grey
------------------------------ Message-ID: <339C9DD0.E6F@columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:20:32 -0700 From: ts <ts215@columbia.edu> Subject: ***IMO IMO IMO*** Now this sounds weird - Time Out New York reviews Mexico's Cafe Tabuca as "Beck meets XTC, but in Spanish." Does that sound possible? To James Dupuy - (Scroll Alert - lots and lots of personal opinion to follow) I'm not a professional music reviewer or a musician, so I probably don't have the lingo down, but O&L sounds overdone, and Nonsuch just weak. O&L has this big in your face drum sound, and overall sounds very shallow to me. That is, no depth, all sheen and lustre, with nothing below the surface. I just couldn't dig into it. I listened to it a lot, and was entertained, but I could never just sit down and focus on it, and there was no lasting power - I'm not anxious to pull it out now many years later. Maybe it sounds better on vinyl? Nonsuch I haven't given a fair shake maybe. But it didn't grab me the several times I listened to it. I just tried again the other day, and found myself wanting Mummer instead. Frankly, the music is kind of boring, and the drums again get in the way (this is a big problem for me, and can ruin the whole shebang). For all you Colin Moulding freaks, his bass playing is quite good, as usual, and his songs are musically a bit more interesting, if lyrically he's covering tired ground (Wardance and Smartest Monkeys). I think a lot of these songs would be great if given the Mummer sort of treatment, which I consider a more natural, warmer, richer sound. I assume XTC were going for that Skylarking texture on this album, but it doesn't work (isn't that why Rundgren's name *always* pops up when Skylarking is mentioned?). Andy did a great job with Martin Newell's The Greatest Living Englishman. Of course, the lyrics are really nice to begin with, and the music is simple, yet elegant. The drums are understated, or silent altogether! Home Counties Boy shimmers, and the dog barking is nice in the intro. Street Called Prospect has great vocals and rhythym. Straight to You, Boy has such a nice shuffling percussion. The only song I don't like, Jangling Man, sounds like Andy got too involved (although his work on Before the Hurricane is delicious, as Martin himself says in the liner notes). So, I think Andy et al have it in them to do more great work, they just need someone to buff it the right way, and they need to write some songs which have more personal feeling (ie. Humble Daisy - who can latch on to that, vs. Bungalow - works better, has some heart in it). Haven't heard the new demos yet - can't wait for some new stuff. Sorry to be sooo long winded y'all. Go ahead and get back to that French Trombone thing that is so diverting. Tom
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199706092245.PAA19471@mail.eskimo.com> From: "Matt Keeley" <mrme@eskimo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:43:53 +0000 Subject: Now that I post more often, the messages get shorter. Too bad I can't say the same for the subject lines...! Anyway.... > From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl> > I have just added a very strange XTC record to my collection... > It's a 3 track 12" called the "On A Mission EP" by an artist (or > group?) who calls himself XTC. > The label is Conqueror Records (London) and the music is > some sort of techno/trip hop/dub cut-up groove; not totally unlike > some of the XTC dub tracks in fact... What year is the copy on this one? And if it's post 1978, isn't that illegal to have the same name as another band? Anyway.... > Subject: English Settlement Liners > vinyl Edition of English Settlement, there was all kinds of recording > data listed on it, song by song, including who used what instruments, > etc. But, this data is nowhere to be seen in the CD booklet and I have I know that the Chalkhills lyric archive has the information under each song on who did what... you might want to look there. I don't know about the CD itself or the vinyl or anything though, ES is one of the few XTC I don't own.... YET. I'll probably be getting either that or Mummer next. > From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <harlequin@tmbg.org> > <"MY WEAPON"> > >effective because of the way it's sung without sarcasm or irony (see Toad > >the wet sprocket's _Hold her Down_) > (For those who don't know, HhD is an anti-rape/abuse song, but since the > song uses the same technique (using the position of one of the attackers) in > the chorus, many people seem to think it's a pro-rape anthem, of all things. > (The "take the night back" line at the end of the song evidently didn't tip > them off...) Well, like I've said in the past, people are stupid, especially when it comes to controversial issues. I remember when John Linnell played "Kiss Me, Son of God" on a Kansas show, they pulled the plug on him right after the line "And a world screams "Kiss me, son of God". > From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) > normal for the next few days, it's because I'll be going into hospital on > Wednesday for minor surgery. I should be out of action for only a day or > two, but I doubt I'll feel much like emailing for a while after that. So > take care y'all, and hopefully I'll be annoying you again soon! > James I hope everything goes OK! I hate surgery. And hospital food. Ecch. > From: TBERNHA@columbiaenergy.com > >>There's a colorful, full page advertisement for Upsy Daisy in the July > issue of CMJ monthly. It shows a happy ittle lamb leaping in the air over a > meadow of flowers, butterflies, and bees (I assume this is the cover > art).<< > >Oh, great, that's how to get people to buy the album. Why not just print > "wussy" in big letters on the front?< > :^) :^) What, Josh, you expect marketing smarts from Virgin? Actually, Geffen's releasing it, but I still wouldn't expect any marketing smarts from them or Virgin, for that matter.... Ah well, that's this world over. Again. Matt PS: Me sig looks a lot better in a monospaced font! It looks really dippy in a normal font, though... I can tell, 'cause that's what I'm using in my mail editor! -=>Matt Keeley mrme@eskimo.com<=- Living Through | Visit my home page Another | http://www.eskimo.com/~mrme Cuba -- XTC | I used to be temporarily insane! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now I'm just stupid! -- Brak (ICQ UIN: 1455267, Name: MrMe) Yeah.
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