Chalkhills Digest, Volume 14, Number 4 Sunday, 27 January 2008 Topics: dynamic range The Loud Crowd "2 Rainbeau Melt" is the MySpace song of the week "Ask Andy" Administrivia: To UNSUBSCRIBE from the Chalkhills mailing list, send a message to <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> with the following command: unsubscribe For all other administrative issues, send a message to: <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> Please remember to send your Chalkhills postings to: <chalkhills@chalkhills.org> World Wide Web: <http://chalkhills.org/> The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. Chalkhills is compiled with Digest 3.8f (John Relph <relph@tmbg.org>). Bang the wall for me to turn down.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:56:05 -0500 From: Derek Miner <derek@minerwerks.com> Subject: dynamic range Message-ID: <a06240806c3b811e23f5a@[192.168.2.4]> Just to interject a point about the "loudness wars" and dynamic range... The issue shouldn't be framed in the context of analog vinyl versus digital CDs, it should be framed in the context of mastering techniques. Yes, vinyl may have an 80db dynamic range, but the content put on the vinyl must utilize it. You put the same master used for the CD on vinyl, and it's not going to come out much better, because it was compressed and limited before it was pressed to a distribution medium. Believe me, I absolutely hate the way that audio is maximized to death before being sold to the public, and it needs to stop. Going back to vinyl can give you a respite and let you enjoy something from the past, but it doesn't help the future generations. Education is the key, witness the video link Simon posted - a great example of a terrible practice. By the way, this is the same reason all your television commercials come out louder than the program. The people who do this justify it by saying "But it's within specifications!" = Derek =
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:20:25 -0800 From: Wayne Klein <wtdk123@msn.com> Subject: The Loud Crowd Message-ID: <BAY108-W18A28EE5857C66175F3F0FF93C0@phx.gbl> Over at http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2 an audiophile forum we've been having this discussion about the loudness war over the past two years. CDs aren't to blame but the lowered expectations of consumers who have learned to listen to flattened out, poorly mastered mp3's and the idiotic decisions of bean counters at all the major labels who during the mid-1990's started the trend of putting out material that was compressed and louder and the marketing departments (and ill-informed reviewers) who sold this as better. Listener fatigue has been an ongoing trend for some time but only become noticable to the general public recently as more and more people get their music from compressed, tinny and limited mp3's. Again, it's not the format (CDs sounded particularly good before all of this silliness started) but the use of the format that is to blame. This isn't a new trend it's just gotten a whole lot worse lately with decreased dynamics and increased, brickwall distorted sound. Listener fatigue can be measured very simply--if you find that after a couple of minutes you are changing to a different song but don't know why it's because your ear and brain are rebelling against the limited, loud and brickwalled dynamics of the recording. It creates a bizarre form of listener ADHD--we don't know why we're changing the song just that we're irritated and want to try something else. Interestingly, Steve Hoffman (who is a well known mastering engineer and has done some of the best re-releases on CD and vinyl over the last twenty or so years) a comparison looking at how sound is different depending on the format. He found that vinyl followed by CDs were the closest to the original analog sound found on master recordings he did his comparison to followed by SACD and DVD-A with the latter being the most dissimilar to the original sound. I don't recall Steve saying that he compared it to mp3's but I'm sure that they were even further removed considering how much of the sound spectrum is removed. To answer one criticism--CDs aren't a bad medium anymore than digital video is a bad medium. It's how it's used and how the original sound is translated to the new medium. That's where skill and artistry come into play. I remember when the XTC back catalog was digitally remastered and reissued and how Colin complained that the sound was good but a bit compressed (I believe he was speaking of the Japanese remasters. The Japanese tended to issue a lot of their recordings more compressed than what was the norm for the time elsewhere). Compression like No Noise (listen to the Family discography for an example of bad use of No Noise--it sounds like it was recorded in a vaccum)is a tool that can be badly used (for an example of No Noise that IS badly used along with compression listen to "Let It Be...Naked" where is sounds like the air was sucked out of the room) or just well it all comes down to what the engineer decides to do with it. As the music business struggles to discover what it did wrong (and it did plenty--fighting digital downloads instead of improving the quality, suing file sharers and event those that legitimately buy music-rather than making themselves competitive, constantly remastering the same stuff again and again and putting it out until there was confusion and consumer fatigue. That's not the ONLY reason though why sales are down--music has become nothing more than a disposable commodity even more so than before and is fighting with gaming for the attention of the young who don't really buy and try new music any more so much as "sample" it), consumers have responded by buying less. I've said my piece. Oh, Andy any chance you'll be headed back to the shed for more sessions? Whatever happened to Colin has he truly given up on music and retired? Dave--put together a touring band and tour playing XTC music to keep the spirit alive.
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:43:33 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Bernhardt <beat_town@yahoo.com> Subject: "2 Rainbeau Melt" is the MySpace song of the week Message-ID: <499131.39459.qm@web32014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: Over at the XTCfans MySpace site (http://www.myspace.com/xtcfans), the song of the week is "2 Rainbeau Melt," one of Andy's newer (and more avant garde) songs, found on Disc 7 of the Fuzzy Warbles series. If you want to know how Andy records vocal tracks, or find out about Andy's plans for the rides at the Dalaiwood theme park, check out the XTCfans blog site at http://blog.myspace.com/xtcfans. Toucan spill four can on cloud turning Kodak Rain falls applauding and whispers for more... -Todd
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:25:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Kay Stracey <kaystracey@btinternet.com> Subject: "Ask Andy" Message-ID: <321085.53891.qm@web87001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hello I thought you might be interested to know that Swindon's local paper, the Swindon Advertiser, has secured the services of Mr Partridge to answer your music related questions. To read his pearls of wisdom, or perhaps ask him a question of your own, click on: http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/leisure/music/askandy/ Enjoy! Kay Stracey Highworth (near Sunny Swindon)
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