Chalkhills Digest Volume 10, Issue 30
Date: Friday, 16 July 2004
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 10, Number 30
Friday, 16 July 2004
Topics:
Duncan Pizzahead came to town
What is pop?
more of Duncan
XTC reference in the strangest of places
Mostly OT: a defense
Warner Bros.
Nines and Partridge
Jason Falkner + Self = the Dukes of the Silverlake? L.A. CHALKERS GET READY!
ATTN: L.A. fans
duplicating pizzas
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Bernhardt <beat_town@yahoo.com>
Subject: Duncan Pizzahead came to town
Message-ID: <20040714140615.70322.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>
Spreading wisdom and causing frowns...
Good for you, Mr. Watt. Everything you've said needed to be said, and as an
added bonus, we have some chatter here on the 'hills again. A good number of
people seem to be missing your points, however, and maybe here's why:
You said:
> Who let this happen?
> People who didn't know, people who couldn't see it coming, and F'N IDIOTS!
I think one more type of person belongs in the group above -- and maybe
they're best grouped in the F'N IDIOTS category -- but I'd say there are a
good amount of people who *do* know, who can see it coming, and who do it
anyway because they're simply thinking about themselves, about their
wallets, and about the short-term results, without (or perhaps despite!)
considering the consequences.
Kind of like Republicans.
-Todd
When money speaks, the truth keeps silent.
Russian proverb
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:01:13 -0400 From: "Ben Gott" <bgott@rectoryschool.org> Subject: What is pop? Message-ID: <fc.00870b4a00208db03b9aca0049c07024.208dc0@rectoryschool.org> Gang, Steve made some absolutely fair criticisms of my post re: Britpop. It is my understanding that the Britpop "invasion" ended on or around 1997, perhaps even earlier. Current bands that come out of Britain aren't considered "Britpop," at least here in America. They're just considered "music to listen to when you're relatively unhappy." And, no, Jason Falkner isn't from Manchester, and Pernice Brothers aren't from Swindon. But their style of shimmery, jangly pop calls to mind the shimmery, jangly pop from that early-1990s era. (I'm willing to categorize something as "Britpop" even if the musician or band isn't British, which is a personal preference.) As for Tears for Fears, I recall that "Break It Down Again" was a semi-tiny hit on adult alternative radio here in the mid-1990s. Strangely enough, the popularity of the recent American film "Donnie Darko" (which features songs by Tears for Fears, Echo and the Bunnymen, The Church, and others) shot a cover version of "Mad World" to the top of everyone's consciousness a few years ago. Is XTC "Britpop"? No, man. They're XTC! -Ben
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:42:44 -0500 From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" <brunkhorstk@hotmail.com> Subject: more of Duncan Message-ID: <BAY15-DAV17QOa8NlgX00026323@hotmail.com> Duncan: > ..yes, that's my point exactly. I've no problem with *change*! I think > individual fee-based downloads are, generally-speaking, a great idea! You > can even find my own material on iTunes! But the new business model that's > replacing the old one is flawed, because nothing's being done about piracy. > You(in the collective sense) just taught AN ENTIRE GENERATION OF YOUNG > PEOPLE that recorded music should be FREE. Yes? Yes. It's the generation that's going to fail to provide for us when we're old and feeble, too. They can't read, mostly, and they have no concept of responsibility. > How would *I* have it? I'd've had people around the world realize what > they'd be doing by encouraging worldwide piracy of intellectual property. > (Yeah, that would have happened.) Now? It's kind of late, the tiger's > already out of the bag and eaten most of the children. That's my point!! > But... make filesharing of copywritten music and intellectual property to > be *truly* illegal, and police it, internationally, with severe monetary > penalties for ISPs individuals and orgs that run target servers (such as > colleges). Establish true international copyright of intellectual > property... Intellectual property loses value the moment it is possible to duplicate it, whether it takes the form of ideas, software, or music. Enforcement of those policies would add more to the price of doing business. But the major distribution companies are losing the battle on that, and losing interest. It's getting to the point where it's every artist for themselves. I'm sure Andy doesn't get much for XTC residuals, and has probably given up - this is incentive for him to keep pumping out other things. The marketplace for artists now is to sell existing catalogs of works and let the labels worry about protecting their investments. Duncan, I'm on your side in the sense that I agree with you. I play music too. I rarely make any money at it - the $550 I got for playing a wedding last weekend was the biggest score I've had in a while. My jazz group records stuff, and we give it to our friends, and we're about to self-produce a CD. (Being jazz, it will be that much less popular.) I have no illusions about making money on it - I'll be ecstatic if we don't lose any and we get some gigs from it. If money was my priority in this, I should've chosen something else. I worked as a purchasing manager for a one-stop distributor in the 90s - I never paid for lunch, I got all the free CDs I wanted, and I got paid well to boot. That experience ruined any ideas I had about being a 'performing artist' in the public sphere. (All this is why I'm accepting a university teaching gig next month.) I do it for love, baby. I've had money. Love is better. Kevin http://www.kevinbrunkhorst.com
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:38:57 -0600 From: "Steven Paul" <spaul@armstronglaw.com> Subject: XTC reference in the strangest of places Message-ID: <CGEGILJOEJHFCCGOJOKKEEOLCOAA.spaul@armstronglaw.com> I thought maybe I should call my post: XTC + BYU = GO 2 Given that the digests have been so sparce in the last few months, I thought I would post an XTC reference I saw on television a few nights ago. I was watching the late night news when a black screen popped up and the words "This is a COMMERCIAL for BYU FOOTBALL. . . ." printed in white font. More information about the upcoming season and where to call to get tickets was also printed on the screen. I looked at it and thought, WOW, someone at BYU is an XTC fan. The printed words didn't fill up the entire screen, which would have made the correlation complete, but the reference was certainly there. There's no way the t.v. ad and the album cover for GO 2 were not related. I went to sleep happy and dreamt of myself naked in front of the whole church! What does that mean? While I'm here, is there any news you readers can share about future releases - either Warbles or new material? I periodically scan my favorite web pages for news, but alas, have heard none recently. Steven R. Paul, Esq. Salt Lake City, Utah Mormon boy, but NOT a BYU fan!
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:24:10 -0700 From: jemiah <jemiah@q7.com> Subject: Mostly OT: a defense Message-ID: <61A79F20-D5CB-11D8-AAB3-0050E490AC6B@q7.com> I missed the digest with all the replies to Duncan re: file sharing. It's weird. Uh, "poor kid" meant "No money for food, eating one meal a day all throughout high school, usually at someone else's home". "Poor kid" meant "no new shoes for three years in high school while I was still growing." I was poor. I guess I am not poor anymore because every once in a while I can justify getting a pint of Pabst for $1.75 (but only one). Please, never doubt that when I say "poor", I mean "near the bottom of the American socio-economic ladder". Even now it's a choice between food and CDs, and I generally choose food, because that's just me. I'm a writer; I make less than $6000 a year. I was thrilled to get a local compliation 2-CD set for only $5; and thank god for the library. They have "Oranges and Lemons" (currently checked out by someone else; I am 121st on the hold waiting list). I love XTC and I support them and I haven't bothered to go to the MP3 website that YOU SO HANDILY PROVIDED. I wasn't talking about justifying file sharing for the entire world, only explaining the mechanism by which I was able to hear, and re-hear, a band like XTC, which gets no radio play. Nowadays, I would have just downloaded their tracks, and listened to them UNTIL I COULD AFFORD TO BUY THE CD - like I have done with countless other groups, like Buck 65 (a CD copied by a friend turned into me searching for his MP3s until I could see him live, and buy a CD directly from him, so that I knew that he got the entire value of my money)... ditto Super Furry Animals... ditto Lilys... et cetera. I compensate for my lack of being able to spend money by doing word-of-mouth promotion that leads to album sales by groups I care about. I turned a friend onto XTC recently and she's spent at least $150 on rarities and staples, including all the books about the band. This marks, oh, I dunno, the fourth time I've done that? Maybe that's made up for the tapes of Skylarking demos I had in 1989, and my cassette dub of "Oranges and Lemons"? (Everything else I've bought outright... i.e. I don't have much material) The Pizza Analogy; how does it apply? If you are starving to death, would you steal the pizza? Even though it's against the law, and taking money from the dude who made it? It doesn't make it right, but wouldn't it be better if you weren't starving in the first place? Or is it better to die with morality intact and the Pizza Dude protecting his brand? You can, of course, argue that no one will die from a lack of really good pop music; but dammit, I got pretty close. MP3 is just a technology; and the sooner that the world learns how to incorporate what it can do into compensating artists for the work they do, the better. And Duncan, I would like to think that I am not an idiot. I don't deny that the world is full of idiots, and I knew that responding to you would open myself to attack. But you got me below the belt. Ouch. I'll be sure to tell my mom that you don't think that we were poor back in the 80s; she'll get a good chuckle out of that. In the meantime, I'm going to listen to my 99 cent copy of "I Wonder Why The Wonderfalls". An MP3. Can you believe it? Back to the lurk - I only post about once every three years; see y'all again in 2007. Jemiah
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:37:21 -0400 From: Extended Playhouse <ep@inspiracy.com> Subject: Warner Bros. Message-ID: <5E8E4F88-D5E6-11D8-B1D2-000A9588F64C@inspiracy.com> Not to belabour an off-topic post even further, but Paul Simon has recorded for Warner Bros. for close to 25 years, not just for his most recent LPs as has been implied here. Speaking of Rhino, Those Elvis Costello reissues are wonderful because Demon Records is responsible for them, save for a few concessions that Rhino has bullied through, but did not deserve (i.e. non-LP tracks now canonised as part of the official LP tracklistings, a US sleeve that only existed in the first place due to a whim by a Columbia Records rep). I think Rhino's main involvement is putting Rhino logos on the finished product, making sure that mistakes by Columbia Records are deified eternally, and in taking credit for the entire reissue campaign. Rodney @ ep
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:10:45 +0100 From: basher132 <basher132@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Nines and Partridge Message-ID: <2004714221045.436199@hppav> Hello all, this popped up on the Audities power pop list. Beneath is the reply I got when asking permission to post to Chalkhills. I seem to recall that the Nines have been mentioned here. Anybody confirm? Cheers, John. N.P. Kevin Kellys' CD of the Month >From: basher132 <basher132@yahoo.co.uk> >Reply-To: audities@smoe.org >To: david henwood <audities@smoe.org> >Subject: Re: The Nines >Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:27:12 +0100 > >On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 14:15:21 -0400, david henwood wrote: > > Just thought I would pass this plug on to the auditees group or > > those living in or coming to Toronto this week. > > Canada's The Nines are playing a show in Toronto this Friday July > > 9th at the Cameron House. The band according to their mail list > > will be in the opening slot so will be on around 10 pm. > > I also have been told that the Nines will be releasing a new album > > this summer after a 3 year break and that they have been in > > communication with a few labels including Andy Partridge of XTC who > > is looking at potentially releasing the new album on his private > > label. David From: david henwood <henwooddavid@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: The Nines Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:02:16 -0400 I know that the Nines are releasing a new record as I have been in contact with the lead singer Steve Eggers. I heard a rumour that they were in communications with Andy Partridge and when I saw Steve at a show in Toronto he simply said that yes he had been talking with Andy and that they were looking at various options for releasing the new album.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:51:40 EDT From: XTCGO2@aol.com Subject: Jason Falkner + Self = the Dukes of the Silverlake? L.A. CHALKERS Message-ID: <155.399c8b95.2e27bbbc@aol.com> GET READY! This from Jason Falkners camp: Jason will play with the Dukes of Silverlake, a Dukes of Stratosphear (XTC side-project from the mid-eighties) cover band, on Tuesday, July 27 at Spaceland in Silverlake, California. The band will perform the "25 O'Clock" EP in its entirety. Other members performing are Matt Mahaffey (of Self) and various members of the 88. Mahaffey reports: "We'll all be playing musical chairs throughout the set & no one instrument will be touched by the same hands twice! This truly is a marvel of catastrophic proportions not to be missed!" Check with http://www.jasonfalkner.net/tours soon for ticket info. This from Self's camp: (a really great band if you have never heard any!) HELLO...... i know most of you don't live in Los Angeles. However, I must inform you that I, Matt mahaffey, am playing with the Dukes Of Silverlake at Spaceland on July 27th. we are a Dukes Of Stratosphear (XTC side-project from the mid- eighties) cover band & will be performing the "25 o'clock" e.p. in all it's glory & splendor. The band consists of myself, Jason Faulkner, & various members of the 88. we'll all be playing musical chairs throughout the set & no one instrument will be touched by the same hands twice! This truly is a marvel of catastrophic proportions not to be missed! so, if you're an XTC fan or a friend of one, I suggest you crawl out from your rock. THANK YOU *mm. Let's hope someone is taping this! Jealous, Erich PS Saw the Finn Brothers opening night of their US tour in Seattle! Unreal! A must see anywhere on this planet if possible! Next up July, 21st here in Minneapolis! See you there!
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:33:23 -0700 From: "JK in L.A." <jbkxtc@sbcglobal.net> Subject: ATTN: L.A. fans Message-ID: <00fd01c46abb$bd6ef290$2360fea9@johnjulie> Good evening ladies & gentlemen and all the ships at sea ... THIS JUST IN!!!!! >Subject: The Dukes of Silverlake > >From Matt Mahaffey of Self: > >HELLO...... i know most of you don't live in los angeles. however, i >must inform you that i, matt mahaffey, am playing with the Dukes Of >Silverlake at Spaceland on July 27th. we are a Dukes Of Stratosphear >(XTC side-project from the mid- eighties) cover band & will be >performing the "25 o'clock" e.p. in all it's glory & splendor. The band >consists of myself, jason faulkner, & various members of the 88. we'll >all be playing musical chairs throughout the set & no one instrument >will be touched by the same hands twice! this truly is a marvel of >catastrophic preportions not to be missed! so, if you're an XTC fan or a >friend of one, i suggest you crawl out from your rock. THANK YOU *mm. Oh, lordy, this should be AMAZING. Should all the Chalkhillians wear a special item to identify ourselves? This may be the only time we'll every (hopefully) get together in one place! Hope to see everyone there. JK
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:07:54 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net> Subject: duplicating pizzas Message-ID: <BD2A5AF1.E924%cauldron@together.net> on 7/14/04 9:06 AM, Chalkhills at owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org wrote: > But what if, all of a sudden, you could just 'beam' his pizza, without his > permission, right onto your TV tray? Every time he makes a pizza, someone > just TAKES THE GODDAMN THING. Let's be fair, people can still go to his > place, and pay, so he sells maybe 20% of his pizzas, right? > > How much longer is he going to make pizza? DON'T JUST BLOW THIS OFF, HOW > MUCH LONGER? How many kids are going to want to grow up to have a pizza > place? Moreover, HOW GOOD IS THE PIZZA GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE? The > business model changes. Pizza-makers will make pizzas as loss-leaders for > something you CAN'T just 'beam' up. Following me? A more accurate analogy would be acquiring the pizza however you do(pay for it, have it given to you, steal it, whatever) then taking it home where you have a pizza-burner that can replicate infinite numbers of exact duplicates of the pizza that you can do whatever you want with. Meanwhile the pizza guy keeps making his pizzas, and you just burn exact copies whenever you want. The thing to remember is a music CD contains a digital copy of the music which can be replicated infinite times with little if any reduction in sound quality. That was already the case before the Internet was in vogue, but CD duplication technology was hard to come by. A musician has two choice in protecting his work; prosecute those he catches with bootleg copies of his music, zero tolerance(which wouldn't make him many friends), or consider the CD package, the liner notes, the artwork, everything, part of the package. When you're buying the CD, you're not just buying music, you're buying an entire package. If you just want the music, no frills, no information, no artwork, then go ahead, take the time to download the whole album. On my 56k modem it takes long enough that it's probably better to just buy the damn thing.
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