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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 9, Number 54

                 Sunday, 9 November 2003


                 Mandy Moore, reviewed...
                   Cheshire Cousin gig
                  Re: Spice Milli on Ice
                Re: Hook, Line and Sinker
           Dave really?
               Mandy Moore Working Overtime
                    King For A Day!!!!
Mandy NoMore, Crash Test Duds, Some album recommendations
                Edit For The Right Reasons
                       Scooby Don't
                       VH1 Classics


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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:42:39 -0500
From: Benjamin Gott <>
Subject: Mandy Moore, reviewed...
Message-ID: <>


Here's the beginning of Noel Murray's review of Mandy Moore's
"Coverage."  Just thought you'd like to know!

The opening 20 seconds of Mandy Moore's all-covers album Coverage
should tell most listeners where they stand on the project. The record
opens with Moore's version of XTC's "Senses Working Overtime," which
the teen pop sensation and producer John Fields have dressed up with
synthetic record scratching, background singers, and a funky rhythm
track. Fans of the original will either rip the disc out of their
players before Moore hits the chorus orthe better choiceapplaud the
singer's taste and enjoy the chance to hear a new radio-friendly pop
song with more than one hook. As for those who haven't heard XTC
before, it's hard to say what they'll think; for certain they won't
have the fun of wondering whether, when Moore sings the words
"football" and "biscuit," she has the same pictures in her head that
were in Andy Partridge's.

Go to if you want to read on.



Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:38:38 -0800
From: Ian Dahlberg <>
Subject: Cheshire Cousin gig
Message-ID: <>

Hey Folks,

We called ourselves Cheshire Cousin, but now we're going by Drummed &
Wired. Who knows what we'll be called next time (suggestions?). At any
rate, what's more important is that we're the same four people playing
your Xtc favorites live in L.A.  Our last gig of the year is upon us
and you're cordially invited! So set your PDAs for stun with the
following info....

Drummed & Wired (formerly Cheshire Cousin)
Nov. 21st, 10pm
at Taix, 1911 Sunset Blvd (near Alvarado), Los Angeles.
Admission: Free! - No Drink Minimum!

Selections from Black Sea, English Settlement, Drums & Wires, and

See you there!


Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:39:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Owens <>
Subject: Re: Spice Milli on Ice
Message-ID: <>

one more thing
yes, i realize milli, spice and ice are things of the past...they just
came to mind as some of the most monumentally stupid things of the
past 15 or 20 years....


Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:35:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Owens <>
Subject: Re: Hook, Line and Sinker
Message-ID: <>

one other possibility seems to have been passed over as to the reason
the labels, powers that be, etc. seem to be

they have passed on major markets by ignoring the public's tastes by
expecting the great god of payola (yes, you heard me mention the
unmentionable word...) to still rule with an iron fist   AND IT JUST
DID NOT DELIVER.   they have long crammed sub-standard garbage down
the unsuspecting public's throats and we have bought it hook, line and
sinker.  it is the way things have always been done.  "independent"
record men have been hired to illegally buy radio and video time with
money, women drugs (whatever it took) and they could literally break a
record of someone passing gas if they wished to do so.  whether or not
we like it is not the issue is how much they can cram it
down our throats or the kid's throats...if it gets enough play...we
won't have any choice but to buy it....that is just peer
pressure....we will HAVE TO HAVE IT!

when they did make a sound marketing decision that was also
artistically pleasing as well...they would drop the ball
.....well...just look what they did with Bonnie Raitt by catering to
the largest group of people ever on the planet   "the boomers".  then
what happened....did we see much more marketing to
them.....SORRY....sadly, NO!

the perfect example is the rap phenomenon.  it has been sold for years
in all its hype as "something so sprang out of the urban
areas and could not be stopped"....nothing could be further from the
truth.  in the late seventies and early eighties when the music
business was in huge trouble from the excesses of that time (example:
ridiculous budgets like almost a million dollars for "The Long Run" by
the Eagles and most of that in drugs supposedly)...the music business
had to find a way to bail out....someone saw that guys like Kurtis
Blow and Grandmaster Flash were tearing up the clubs and making a
fortune selling these custom made things out of their cars and small
offices and they cost very very little to make.....HMMMMMM.  it does
not take a genius to see that the gross profit figures on an album
that cost $5000 are huge compared to an album that cost $800,000.   if
you are a businessman, into what are you going to place your
money...the $5000 payola or the $800,000?  since it is a stacked deck
and you are gonig to win is just common sense....the next
thing you have is a new trend where you can control anyone you
want....get the picture?  every penny went into became a MONEY
MACHINE!   the next thing you had was every kid on the planet wanting
to do it, be it....etc etc etc.....for twenty years now.....AMAZING!
all from gross profit....and payola....HMMMMMMMMM  that may have been
fine....UNTIL the corporate attorneys decided to go independent and
decided to bite the hand that fed them..........WAHOO.....the "big
boys" took it for granted they would always win no matter

another problem lies in the fear of the independents to create
solidarity for themselves.   at least ani difranco and andy and a few
others say..."you know sure as hell can fight city hall !"
ani stood up and told several majors...."why should i give you money i
am already making?"    until the independents REALLY band together and
stop turning on each other out of their own greed...(which makes them
no better than the "big boys)...this stalemate will probably go on and
the big boys will probably win out in the end and idiotic arguments
like "oh, they are not ALL bad!" will win out.   BULLSHIT!  they have
robbed the singer and songwriter for a hundred years now.  it is time
we made our own money.  look what the Erteguns did to Ruth Brown and
Ray Charles....look at Virgin and XTC.

i don't buy that the public would not buy the band.  i think andy may
have tried at times to be deliberately obscure to protect his sanity
and integrity so he could grow as an artist.  i can understand that.
just look what the industry did to brian wilson.  we can not blame all
of brian's problems on his self indulgence.  anything can be made
commercial enough if enough money is put behind it.  i have seen it
happen again and again and again.   i grew up in this industry and
worked in it for almost 30 years.

and one more thing...recently...some idiot made the statement on this
site that kevin gilbert was a perfectionist who was this and
that....and said a lot of horrible that i say...kevin
gilbert was brilliant...  admittedly he was not a very happy guy...but
after all...he got used by certain people in the
industry...particularly one female who got very famous and then
dropped him and everyone else and took credit for everything.   his
work has, sadly,  gone unrecognized, in an industry, full of
monumental things like Milli Vanilli, Spice Girls and Vanilla Ice.  Oh regard to the poor unfortunate who said these idiotic Emo Phillips said "i guess some days it doesn't pay to
gnaw through the leather straps and get out of bed".

wake up and realize just how much your minds are being controlled and
make some decisions of your own.  big money attempts to control our

not at war with anyone....just disagreeing....
an ex-industry guy


Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:47:01 -0800
Subject: Dave really?
Message-ID: <>

travis schulz asks:

> Dave really with the
> Dukes on that new Wish List cd?

This is from Dave Gregory's website:

  ""Open A Can (Of Human Beans)" kicks off the album, which features
  some great songs, eight of which are exclusive to this CD. Dave should
  also be mentioned in despatches for appearing on three tracks. He's
  playing electric sitar, Mellotron and electric piano with the Dukes,
  guitar with the h-Band and arranging and playing on "It's Alright" by
  the Shadow Kabinet. This is going to be a limited release, so don't
  hang around!"

Another Steve


Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:02:50 +1100 (EST)
From: Mark Wotton <>
Subject: Decemberists
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311061359440.750-100000@gersen>


just wondering if any of you have checked out the Decemberists. In the
absence of new studio material from Our Boys, I've been casting about for
the sort of pop songs that worm their way into your subconscious and
refuse to leave, and I think I may have found an adequate purveyor in the
Decemberists. Beautiful, slightly off-kilter pop songs: Castaways and
Cutouts is my favourite, although "Her Majesty the Decemberists" seems ok

one more quick plug: the Shins are also rocking my world.


spaceships are expensive
		-- Manuel Chakravarty


Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:37:39 -0600
From: "Amanda Owens" <>
Subject: Mandy Moore Working Overtime
Message-ID: <>

Please don't throw Molotov cocktails at me if this has already been
mentioned, but did anyone know that America teen pop princess Mandy Moore
covered Senses Working Overtime on her album Coverage? To be perfectly
honest, it's not bad. As far as female singers covering XTC, I prefer her
song to Sarah McLachlan's "Dear God." Moving onward.....

Ben Gott did sayeth:

>Thankfully, Brad Roberts has stopped fucking around and has returned to
>his Harlem-via-Canada roots.  Five or six years of living in NYC and
>listening to hip hop and R & B has changed Brad's voice for the better
>(it's sexy and slinky, not just bass baritone-y), and he's reunited
>with his brother Dan (a fabulous bass player) and Ellen Reid (on
>vocals) for this album.  Songs like "Triple Master Blaster" signal a
>new, harder direction, while "Flying Feeling" and "If Ya Wanna Know"
>recall the days of "God Shuffled His Feet."  It's all right not to like
>Brad the man, but give the new Dummies a chance.

AHHHHHHHHH! I thought we were banned from mentioning that name.....I'm
gonna have to run out and get Puss N' Boots. I didn't get the last
album, I Don't Care That You Don't Mind, mainly because I thought Give
Yourself a Hand was so sub-par. And because Brad gave off the air of
having become incredibly full of himself for some reason.

On another quick, non-XTC note, if anyone out there has ANY Style Council
videos, I would pay ridiculous amounts of money for copies. I've looked on
eBay, unfortunately, they're in PAL format and tape conversion is way too
pricey in these parts.

Tis all for now,
Amanda C. Owens
XTC song of the day-Playground
non XTC song of the day-That's Entertainment-The Jam


Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:12:45 -0500 (EST)
From: "Cameron" <>
Subject: King For A Day!!!!
Message-ID: <>

It's beeen awhile so . .
From the darkness . . .
I have made a new friend. His name is Richard. He made a tribute to
our boys.
It kicks arse!!!
If I sounds like I'm writing a Dick and Jane story its only because I
am overwhelmed by the talent I have found on this mix of wonderful
muse that is and of the fans of XTC.
(I wish Sherwood wuzz here)
If you are a true fan you will buy this disc of delight!
King For A Day is a true tip of the hat to a group of musicians that
are the very reason you are reading this now-.
You'd be a complete creep if you didn't buy this CHEEP ($$)
masterpiece now! 
Don't buy one, buy three or four to pass on to friends-.and that
maybe, (don't hold your breath) Sir Richard might have a chance again
to grace us with his talent! 
Buy it now! At:
Cameron `Morningwood' Worrall


Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 21:03:30 +0000
From: "*Hobbes *" <>
Subject: Mandy NoMore, Crash Test Duds, Some album recommendations
Message-ID: <>

Sorry to be so negative in this post, but these are desperate times.  ;)

I just heard the Mandy Moore cover of Senses Working Overtime on the radio
and I'm still laughing.  The song is so desperate to be liked that it
resorts to every over-production  trick in the book, including such horrors

a) the funked-up-but-funkless-verses that scream 'white boys with drum
b) the singalonga Belinda Carlisle unnecessary massed backing vocals, so the
kids know when to join in
c) the overactive interpretive DJ scratching that still manages to miss
every beat
d) the hurried tumble through the severely truncated bridge, possibly from a
fear of her 13 year old  audience growing bored if it's not back to the
chorus within 30 seconds

Enjoy it as a comedy record (for my sister, my boyfriend and I pissed
ourselves laughing in the car).  It's definitely appalling enough to be a
huge hit, so at least it will hopefully make Andy VERY rich and we'll get a
new album soon.

Still, it's better than Tricky's 'Dear God'.

Ben Gott has *never* been wrong with his recommendations before (I own four
Death Cab For Cutie albums thanks to him, and frequently smile when I see
him recommend something on this list I know is great). But now he
recommended the new Crash Test Dummies album:  "Oh dear!"

I feel it is my duty as a member of Chalkhills, a music lover and a
value-seeking consumer to steer everyone clear of this band.  No, I haven't
heard the new album.  What I *have* heard is two moderately good but
*wildly* overrated albums, then three albums of directionless, filler-packed
appalling SHIT.  I don't care that they've covered XTC!  Hell, Mandy Moore
has done that, but I don't think we'll start recommending her albums on this
list any time soon.

What's there to like about "A Worm's Life"?  A clear case of freezing in the
spotlight of  expectation when trying to follow up a hit album without
having any decent songs written.
Can anyone really look at the tracklisting of that album and remember
anything memorable about any of the songs?  I played the album to death at
the time trying to force myself to like it and now I couldn't tell you how
even one of the songs go.  However I probably  haven't listened to The Big
Express for as long, and I could sing you the entire album from memory.

What's there to like about Give Yourself A Hand?  A jump on the
next-big-thing-that-wasn't electronica bandwagon two years after bands like
Smashing Pumpkins and U2 alienated their fans with the same move.  Featuring
the dumbest lyrics ever written by man or woman, (which is pretty sad
considering someone out there wrote 'Chirpy chirpy cheep cheep').

Did the frontman think he was being clever with horrible lyrics like "I Want
To Par-tay"?    Ironic?  If he was commenting on how bad lyrics can be what
exactly did he achieve?  The lyrics are not witty, and are too dumb to be
funny.  He might be able to look at the album with the smug satisfaction of
a private joke - meanwhile the buyer is left with 12 lyrically appalling and
alienating songs that will never stand any chance of connecting with them
emotionally or pique their interest or intelligence the way a good lyric

(Don't think i'm exaggerating... walk down to your local used CD store and
have a look at  one of the lyric sheets from among their *many* unsold
copies.  You'll be relieved *you*  didn't buy the album).

What's there to like about "I Don't Care If You Don't Mind"?  A bunch of
American south  country-fied joke songs (again with the 'cleverly ironic'
lyrics) that were easily worthy of the  one-listen investment I gave the
album before writing the band off completely.

I haven't heard Puss 'n' Boots.  I don't intend to.  Nothing in their past
albums shows me   they have any particular songwriting talent or even give
the slightest shit about the   horrible half-arsed albums they expect people
to spend money on.

There are bands out there who care about the music they write, who try to
connect with their audience, who don't treat album as private jokes.  Music
can be transcendent, and a great album can be something you can treasure for
many years to come.  Why settle for anything less?  (If you all think I'm
being a drama queen I can guarantee you haven't heard those last three Crash
Test Dummies albums).

Ben, take Puss'n'boots back to the store and get your money back.  (I'm sure
the store clerks know by now that's par for the course with selling a Crash
Test Dummies album).  If you like power pop (as evidenced by your
"Adventures of Jet" recommendation), pick up "The Good Way" by the Waking
Hours.  Hear soaring melodies and harmonies and get dizzy with excitement!
Realise albums can contain one great song after another with no filler!  Try
"Kontiki" by Cotton Mather and realise the Beatles are alive and well!

If you're of a theatrical bent and don't mind lo-fi sound pick up '69 Love
Songs' by the Magnetic Fields and enjoy some truly witty lyrics and hear how
stylistic experiments can *trascend* irony to become great songs.  If the
Dukes of  Stratosphere musical forgeries are your thing pick up the
*amazing* "The Complete Pet Soul" by Splitsville, a 30 minute pastiche of
Rubber Soul and Pet Sounds that even won my Beatle-obsessed sister over on
her first listen.

Pick up any Aimee Mann album!  Anything by The Negro Problem!  Buy
"Recurring Dream" by Crowded House and realise they have a back catalogue
well worth exploring!  Try "Castaways and Cutouts" by the Decemberists and
hear how literary lyrics can be!  Try the truly beautiful `XO' by the dearly
departed Elliott Smith and lament that now he'll never shake off the Nick
Drake comparisons.

Then feel the blood drain from your face when your it registers that all
these albums all cost the same as "Puss 'n' boots" and contain infinitely
more entertainment value and bang-for-your-buck!

Trust me.  Life's too short for the Crash Test Dummies.


Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:28:07 -0000
From: "Dave Smith" <>
Subject: Edit For The Right Reasons
Message-ID: <>

Dearest Dr Pilpy

Editing is a good thing.

Paragraphs are fun too.

Take care now ;-)

NP - Mrs Crowe's Blue Waltz (Adrian Legg)


Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:02:23 -0500
From: Steve Dockery <>
Subject: Scooby Don't
Message-ID: <>

Hey Folks-

Just de-lurking to post a short review of last night's Scooby Don't
show in Arlington, VA. First off, it was good to see Todd again, and to
meet Harrison and Charley, and also to meet our very own John Relph,
who also turned out to see the show.

I couldn't stay for all three sets, but the two sets I saw were great.

As I told the band, "I know this sounds trite, but YOU ROCK." They did
indeed rock, belting out excellent high-energy covers of everything
from "Crush Story" by Too Much Joy to the latest by Fountains of Wayne
song. They also did lovely versions of a few Beatles tunes, aided
greatly by the jangle of Harrison's 12-string Rickenbacker, which
became a 11 string in short order (which made it only a tiny fraction
less jangly).

But what about XTC? Well, they did an excellent cover of Ten Feet Tall,
as well as a Fuzzy Warbles number that I had never heard before (as an
XTC fan, I am ashamed of myself), and Mayor of Simpleton.

One highlight of the show was the unlikely psychedelic psegue from
"Driver 8" by REM into "Eight Miles High" by the Byrds. Sweet!

It was a great show, with a wonderfully varied song selection, and
impressive musicianship. If you're anywhere near the DC area, check
these guys out some time.

-Steve Dockery


Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:07:06 -0500
From: Steve Dockery <>
Subject: VH1 Classics
Message-ID: <>

Hey, two posts in one day from Mr. Lurker? Say it ain't so!

Had to poke my head in again to exclaim that I saw the video for "KIng
For A Day" on VH1 Classics' request show. It was a rare treat seeing
the fellows playing and singing on my very own TV.

The video itself, if you haven't seen it, isn't particularly exciting
(well, except that it's XTC), it's just the four band members sitting
around in funny hats playing the song with funky false-color effects
applied to them. Yes, I said four band members- anybody know who that
is sitting in on drums for the video?

-Steve Dockery


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