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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 9, Number 33

                  Thursday, 26 June 2003


                  Re: Urgh! Where is it?
                       Inner Tubes
                  Liz Phair/Michael Penn
                       Klaatu on CD
               Re: Silver Thread Marmelade
           Look Look Part II and other Delights
                   Re: Can't find on CD
                   Re: On the decline?!
                   Oh Ye of Level Hate
               In hot water with Hot Water
            If you like XTC, you'll love . . .
                        Not on CD
                    FOW, L42, etc.....
                     more mandy moore
                   Doll by Doll on CD?
                 Re: Playing Hard To Get
                   Martin Newell Video
                     hard to find CDs


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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:34:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randy Posynick <>
Subject: Re: Urgh! Where is it?
Message-ID: <>

> Does anyone have any suggestions as to where the CD
> and DVD versions of this EXCELLENT film might be
> found?

check out this yahoo group:

they've been trying to get in back in print for years, but i doubt it will
happen. there is a member of this group who has made URGH! (and other
similar shows) DVDs; check the archive. i haven't seen it but it has been
highly praised by other members.



Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:52:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: (Marston Moor)
Subject: Inner Tubes
Message-ID: <>

>>Herr Craig Vreeken >><>
>>writ der said Subject: Not on CD?!

"Young And Rich": one of my all-time faves also! Bought it on its
original street date. A Ken Scott masterwerk. TWorld Tour!! Saw them
rock Vanderbilt in '76. Sadly, no CD reish yet. Plus, their underrated
3rd album "Tubes NOW" really groovystrankpf as well. Van Vliet! and
Smoke... it's how you do me.

Did recently acquire a fantasma UK 2CD A&M retroremastr smapler with
selected cuts from both, but that's not quite enough now, is it?

Sputnik Spooner is GOd. Friend of mine in Phoenix knew them way back
when they were The Beans. On the prairie, dog.

I absolutely loved the A&M Tubes. Capitol hits with Todd simply fell by
the wayside, Clyde.

Back to whatchu were duin, Fee-
Re Styles M


Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:01:00 -0400
From: Frank McDonnell <>
Subject: Liz Phair/Michael Penn
Message-ID: <000e01c33ace$63ea0160$3262b818@DFQGJC21>

"*Hobbes *" wrote:

>Liz Phair - Liz Phair  (5 Years wait for THIS?  Michael Penn was involved
>with something so slickly produced?  Truly horrible
>I-want-to-sell-records-and-get-on-american-radio-goddammit overprodution,
>ghastly trite lyrics.  Bad enough to make me reconsider her catalogue).

I'm pretty sure they shelved the Michael Penn-produced tracks.  See the
following link:

Thankfully, Michael Penn will be able to get on with his own brilliant
songwriting now.



Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:12:59 +1000 (EST)
From: Steve C <>
Subject: Klaatu on CD
Message-ID: <>


>On the thread about LPs I'd like to find on CD.....
>* The first two Klaatu records
>* Thrillington
>* Rootboy Slim "Zoom"

All Klaatu albums are available (or have been) on CD -
I have them on my shelf - infact the first two also
came out as a two-fer  - nah, prefer Hope on its own
since it's a concept album.

Thrillington I also have - was it worth it? only cos
I'm a McCartney collector and have to have them all.

Sigh - yet another low in Sir Paul's career.

Me?  I'm just waiting for the DVD release of anything
by XTC.


Australia (email me for a trade list)


Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:27:50 -0700
From: "WAYNE KLEIN" <>
Subject: Re: Silver Thread Marmelade
Message-ID: <>

On a thread I had nothing to do with.came the bright idea of things we'd
like to see on CD--
Steve selected--
Kirsty MacColl - Desperate Character and Titanic Days (never seen either
of these, and the former may never have been released on CD)

The former I don't have but I do have the latter album on CD somewhere.
Steve, if I can dig it up you're welcome to have a copy on CDR.

from Neal>Warren Zevon "The Envoy"
Actually, it was released briefly on CD during the early 90's along with one
of my favs Bad Luck Streak in Dancing School

As to my personal favs that haven't appeared--
Difford & Tilbrook
The Idle Race (both the first and second albums)
Twang Bar King -Adrian Belew (I have the vinyl and did cobble together a
version of it between the songs that I recorded from the vinyl version and
the Belew anthology). It's not a great album but it's fun as hell.

Rag & Bone Buffett -Xtc-yes, it was on Cd. But it hasn't been remastered and
I love a number of songs on that CD. I just wish they sounded better.

Bryan Ferry & Peter Gabriel - All the b sides that never made it to CD or
were released on singles (I have most of Ferry's but only a couple of
Gabriel). With Ferry's boxed set forthcoming and Gabriel's rumored maybe
it'll come to pass

Bands that went that once had promising careers.
Anything by 10cc after the middling Deceptive Bends. Seems the talent
disappeared a spoonful at a time.

They didn't have that far to fall but Oasis after What's The Story Morning

>The two disc set will
>feature all of the Virgin promo vids, everything on
>Look Look and beyond, through Nonsuch. Not to mention
>live footage from Australia, Holland and more -
>depending on what minty-fresh schtuff they uncover.
>Oh, yeah - there will also be video of the lads in the
>studio working on tunes from the last few releases.
>According to Mr. Moulding - there will probably be
>future DVDs as well. (What's the over/under on copies
>of the Look Look vid hitting Ebay over the next few

Sounds great! Not to quibble but will it be remixed for 5.1? (one can always
hope although I'm sure Virgin probably won't go for it)



Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:56:45 -0500
From: "Xteve X" <>
Subject: Look Look Part II and other Delights
Message-ID: <>

Terrific news from Mr. Long concerning the upcoming DVD of XTC vids. I now
have an excuse to buy a darn DVD player after putting it off lo these many
months/years. Yes, I know the Lord of the Rings DVD is killer...but I
digress...We're talking all the post-Look Look videos, nearly all of which
I've never seen. The last I ever saw of XTC on any music TV channel was the
Peter Pumpkinhead video which seems like half a lifetime ago...well about a
third of a lifetime in my case...

Just got back from seeing Buddy Guy and the Blind Boys of Alabama at an open
air venue here in Chicago...Buddy should kill his soundman, his guitar was
wholly inaudible but the man can still sing the blues! And the Blind Boys
did a very sweet version of "Amazing Grace" to the tune of "House of the
Rising Sun" which is as groovy as it sounds...

New releases that have floated my boat of late:

The Thorns -- if you don't have this I recommend giving it a try. Matthew
Sweet, Pete Droge and Shawn Mullins do the Crosby Stills & Nash/ Tom Petty
thang fairly well, although the album could use a solid rocker or two. Why
so glum fellas? Y'all can rock when you want to...

Steely Dan -- Everything Must Go: I didn't care much for this at first, but
as with all Dan albums upon repeated listenings it just gets better and
better and better...this may be their funkiest album yet, and I'd put "Lunch
With Gina" and "The Things I Miss the Most" up there with anything from
their classic 70s stuff. "Things..." in particular is a yuppie lament that
only Fagen & Becker can pull off, some seriously delicious irony in that
one. Overall I'd say it's in the same sonic vein as Two Against Nature but a
bit more personal in the lyric department... Dan fans should dig this one.

Didn't care much for Wilco's "YHF" either ... as someone else noted I think
their previous couple albums are much better and I still think the Uncle
Tupelo stuff beats it all...

And one last request before I go -- PLEASE no more Harry Potter spoilers,
OK? Some of us were too lazy to reserve our copies and haven't read the dang
thing yet!!!

Snoring under blankets & coughing in the toilet,



Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:53:18 +0530
From: "Sughosh Varadarajan" <>
Subject: Re: Can't find on CD
Message-ID: <002801c33ae3$d4c9ad80$>

>"Difford & Tilbrook" - Difford & Tilbrook - one-off solo effort (if
>two people can be said to be "solo") from the Squeeze songwriters. The
>CD is enormously hard to get hold of. I've never even seen it on Ebay.

This sounds really interesting. On an aside, I haven't managed to find
copies of ArgyBargy around either, which is a real shame, cos that's a
genuine classic from Squeeze. Anyone know why it seems to be out of stock
almost everywhere? Even on ebay all I could find was an ArgyBargy lapel pin
or something...

>According to Jon and his theory on all bands/artists starting to suck 10
>minutes after they first plug in, everything New Order recorded,
>Innervisions, Songs in the Key of Life, Low, Heroes, Layla, Exile on Main
>Street (!!!), Sticky Fingers, Feats Don't Fail Me Now, Electric Ladyland
>(!!!) and most Zappa all suck the big one. Excuse me? And I suppose The
>Beatles went straight downhill after their last Star Club gig in Hamburg.
>Most worthwhile bands/artists have their golden eras, I agree, but I don't
>buy that kind of simplistic rubbish. Plenty of people who have been around
>for a medium to long time (not only Andy & Colin, but Richard Thompson,
>Elvis Costello, REM, Neil Finn, even Dylan & Neil Young and plenty others
>I'm sure Chalkhillians could suggest) are still capable of brilliance,
>regardless of ups and downs. I don't want to get into a big debate, it's
>always easier and more fun to slag things off than look for positives, but
>let's just say I have a healthy respect for artistic longevity, which is not
>the same thing as blind faith. 'Nuff said.

Well said. I have to agree. Probably around 1987 or so we'd have been ready
to write off Dylan & Young especially, but man did they ever bounce back!
Costello, I'll admit, has yet to really impress me with his newer
material..."When I was cruel" was good in bits but rather inconsistent, and
"Brutal youth" went absolutely downhill after the first three songs...I
haven't heard anything by him recently that can match up to the last
70s/early 80s work.

To the person who mentioned Calvin & Hobbes would say:

I think Soul cages is an absolute masterpiece!

And Blur so totally RULE!

Cheers all

Sheila Wood: Nick, if you're so unhappy, why don't you kill yourself?
Nick Drake: It's too cowardly. Besides, I haven't got the courage.


Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:22:50 -0400
From: "Kevin Hiscock" <>
Subject: Re: On the decline?!
Message-ID: <>

I once read something from Sting that a band should call it quits after
five records.  That if they haven't "said" what they wanted to say by
then, they never really had anything to say in the first place.  With one
exception, I agree.  Depending on how one thinks about "English
Settlement".   The end, the beginning?

Why five? Dunno.  Anecdotal evidence seems rather consistent. My god, look
at U2.  I love these guys, but . . . .

And regardless of what one thinks about Gordon, the Cops did only do five
records.  Personally, I'd rather have more Stings than what we call
politicians - with the exceptions of Paul Wellstone and Jesse "The Body"
Ventura.  Hmm . . .Minnnesota, the other Massachusetts.

for the record, I'm from freakin' Tennessee.  The state of losers.


kevin a. hiscock
yahoo IM-khiscock
home of The Monster and radio hidebound

currently spinning:
Roches - On The Road To Fairfax County


Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:06:45 -0500
From: "eriC draveS" <>
Subject: Oh Ye of Level Hate
Message-ID: <000a01c33ae8$5734af00$e56056d1@XLZOOM>

Wes Long said:
>Hey - Eric Draves - here's a bit o text taken directly from the
>All Music Guide bio of L---- -- [expletive deleted]:
>"...the band formed in 1980 and sucked poop from a badger's arse.
>They will inevitably continue to do so."
>Guess Dom was right.

eriC replies:

That isn't too far from the comments I got from BMG's notes on L---- --
albums (which you get on Windows Media Player), which are supposed to be
objective in their criticism. The fourth album, True Colours, is reviewed
only in the sense that they treat it as a re-release brought on by success
of their fifth album. Yeah, but what does that have to do with the music?.
The seventh, Staring At The Sun, is considered by the reviewer a bad album,
but then he won't say WHY he doesn't like it-- are there bum notes? Rotten
guitar passages? Was he threatened with being fired if he didn't meet his
album review quota?

"Just don't like them" has never been a good enough excuse to say bad things
about them. "They suck" is not an adequate description of what one thinks or
feels is wrong about a group.

I started this topic about L---- -- because I thought many XTC fans liked
both groups (nyah nyah, mentioned them both in the same sentence). I know I
do, and so did one friend of mine in high school, and there was once a
request on a local lunchtime radio show for songs by both groups.

I guess the XTCynicism that prevails nowadays is butchering our perception
of what might once have been considered a nice sound, and now we find the
lyrics meaningless psychobabble and the atheistic tendencies flap in the
face of songs like "Heaven in My Hands". Pity.

Let's start a new topic. Anyone hate the Beatles? :)


"Who won the course despite the fact that no one backed him."


Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:58:48 +0100
From: "Darryl W. Bullock" <>
Subject: In hot water with Hot Water
Message-ID: <001e01c33aef$9d4119f0$6a0c7ad5@ElBosco>

Just a little note following the latest Digest:

Yeah, alright I freely admit that Mark King is a soulless nonentity but I
still stand by my comment that Level 42's Hot Water is a great record. maybe
its simply because it reminds me of clubbing in the UK in the early 80's but
I still own a copy of the 12" and will dust it down from time to time and
dance around the room to it (not a  pretty sight I can assure you all).

BUT Radiohead Vs Blur? At least Tom Yorke has never tried to reinvent
himself as a Manc Baggy/60's Psych child/Cockney wide-boy etc etc etc. And
yes, 'Hail To The Thief' is an excellent return to form - glad you think so
too Dom - it has not been out of my CD player for over a month now and will
probably stay put until FW 3 & 4 arrive!

'You have not been paying attention, paying attention, paying



Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:54:51 +0000
From: "M Tiegler" <>
Subject: If you like XTC, you'll love . . .
Message-ID: <>

Frisbie  & Torben Floor

I've gotten some great band tips from Chalkhills over the years and I'd like
to return the favor.

Two bands that hail from Chicago and sound nothing like XTC, but share those
qualities that are so rare in rock/pop groups.  Intelligence, amazing
songcraftsmanship, big hooks, stunning melodies, and great lyrics.

Frisbie: (Listen to 5 full songs)

Torben Floor:  (listen to entire CD)


Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:23:31 -0400
Subject: Unreleased/unavailable
Message-ID: <>

Some great listings on the "CD's I'm looking for" listings, a couple
of things jumped out at me:

1. Joe Jackson - Mike's Murder (last time I looked it remains
unreleased on cd; I transferred my LP to cd and added some non-LP
B-sides as bonus tracks, quite a fine collection! I always liked this
soundtrack...have yet to get Joe's new one though, what's the word
from those of you who have it?

2. Buckingham-Nicks - One of my favorite releases, "Frozen Love" is
simply breathtaking. This one's been traded a lot, I've got a cd copy
with a bunch of unreleased tracks, I guess from the same sessions.
FWIW, I think Fleetwood Mac's latest is excellent and I haven't had
anything good to say about them since Tusk.

3. Difford-Tillbrook - I've got a mint LP of this one and can transfer
it to CD if anyone's interested in a copy.

Let me know if I can help anyone out with copies of the above.

On an XTC note: The latest Newsweek has an article on Tony Blair with
the headline "The Smartest Monkey". Don't know that XTC first coined
that phrase but it made me think of the Nonesuch track all the same...


NP: Jill Scott, "Show Me"


Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:32:16 -0600
From: Phil Corless <>
Subject: Not on CD
Message-ID: <>

Beloved LPs not currently available as new CDs....

Guadalcanal Diary - 2x4
George Harrison - 33 1/3
Let's Active - Big Plans for Everybody
Difford and Tilbrook - Difford and Tilbrook
Rank and File - Rank and File
Squeeze - Sweets from a Stranger
Traveling Wilburys, Vols 1 & 3


Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:45:24 -0400
From: "James Campbell" <>
Subject: FOW, L42, etc.....
Message-ID: <>


Cut the bandwidth on Level 42, take $18 out of the bank
account, and go get yoself the new Fountains of Wayne
album to pass the time before the new Fuzzies are here.
Indeed, Stacy's Mom has got it goin' on.....

BTW, of all the cheese bands you guys choose to go off
on at least Level 42 featured one of the best bass players
around (Mark King).....I'm sure even our Colin would be
apt to tip his cap.....I seem to remember their producer
was Wally Badarou as well.......I mean, the badger's arse
should only be sucked by the Johnny Hates Jazz's of
the pop world don't you think?


-- james


Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:21:14 -0500
From: "Robert Rothman" <>
Subject: more mandy moore
Message-ID: <>

Yaateeh all,

Allow me to introduce myself, my name is Robert, I'm a long time
fan/reader/lurker writing from Minneapolis. There was some discussion a
few weeks back concerning Mandy covering the boys' "senses working
overtime" on her upcoming cd, "covers".
Well, it seems as if there is actually a chalkhills / Mandy Moore
connection, which may explain some of the selections she covers
on her disc. Some of you long-time readers may remember a chalkhills
contributor by the name of John "strawberry "Fields. Although we've
never met, John is formerly of Minneapolis and is the producer of
Mandy's new effort.



Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:24:34 +0200
From: "hans stromberg" <>
Subject: Doll by Doll on CD?
Message-ID: <>

Neal Buck suggested: What are your favorite albums that you can't find
on CD?

Good question! I would say The Doll by Doll's first three albums:
"Remember" (1979), "Gypsy Blood" (1979) and the third, self-titled
album (1981). I got them on vinyl but nowadays there's not any
grooves left for the needle to ride in! Is there a single soul out on
Chalk Street who have heard these masterpieces and/or knows of any CD?
I think the singer and guitarist Jackie Leven has been mentioned in
Chakhillls a couple of times. He has a solo career going on which he
took up some years ago, after his period of ... eh, troubles. Here's
an axcerpt from The Independent, 26th September, 2000:

"An itinerant guitarist and singer who left the abandoned coalfields
of his native East Fife in the wake of Sixties acid rock, he spent the
Seventies playing in Franco's Spain, and a Berlin divided by the
wall. As the front man of Doll By Doll, he presented an intense blend
of transcendent hard rock and Celtic blues invocations in the
post-punk era.  Nearly strangled to death in a street attack, he could
not exercise his rich soulful burr of a voice for an extended period,
sunk into heroin addiction and devised his own cure by setting up the
Princess Diana-supported Core Trust in the Eighties."

Maybe you'd say that "transcendet hard rock" doesn't sound that
appealing, but then you haven't heard the smashing last tree minutes
of "The Palace of Love" (from the debut album).

These three records, with great poetic lyrics, wonderful guitar
playing and amazing songs, will last for the rest of my life (and I
could really recommend them to all of you) if only there actually
existed some CD versions of them!!

Anybody's got a clue? I would really appreciate an answer.

Hans "The Polar Bear" Stromberg (usually skylurking)


Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:35:50 +0200
Subject: Semicolon
Message-ID: <>

Hey there, all you "Kreideberger",

It is difficult to shake off my lethargy and get to the keyboard to
write to my favorite website, but not impossible, as this mail proves.
#32 was just so fantastic, I had to reply:

Mark Elliot wrote:

>Out of a comma to respond to this:

Is that the male equivalent of having your period?

Then, the dynamic trio of WesLONG, Harrison, and "The Dom" went ahead
and made my day.


>the band formed in 1980 and sucked poop from a badger's arse. They
>will inevitably continue to do so."
>Guess Dom was right.


>No, no... it's quite literally true. I read it in Spin


>>>"Life is sometimes shorter than you think."
>But sometimes it feels like it will never end.

It's when we stop getting serious about stupid things and start
getting humorous about stupid things that I enjoy Chalkhills most.
God, I love you guys.  I want to have your babies!  Well, no... I want
you to have each other's babies, okay?  Dom, wear the Level 42 shirt,
that'll get to 'em like pheromones.

Yes, I am waiting for Fuzzy Warbles 3 & 4, and yes, the backs of
European books are printed the other way around, which bugs me no end.
So Andy, keep printing them your way -- except No. 7.  Print that one
the international-CD way, that'll keep 'em guessing.

And the best album of 2003?  Ringo Starr, "RingoRama", hands down.
Not because the songs are tremendous -- although they are quite
entertaining -- just because it's... RINGO.  The Thunder has returned.

Auf Wiedersehen -

- Jeff

* * * *
PS: NP - "RingoRama", with occasional interruptions by Michael Penn &
Aimee Mann, the Wallflowers, and Sheryl Crow on the "I Am Sam" soundtrack.


Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:40:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Re: Playing Hard To Get
Message-ID: <>

"da9ve stovall" <> wrote:
>>What are your favorite albums that you
>>can't find on CD?
>>Urgh! A Music War;  I have the video, and the LP, but not the CD.

The CD is incomplete, it does not have all of the songs from the
double LP.

"Craig Vreeken" <> wrote:
>By far, my number one choice is The Tubes brilliant second album, Young
>and Rich.

Nice to meet another Tubes fan.  I met another last week.  But I have
"Young and Rich" on CD, an AM+ release on A&M records.  The first
Tubes also was released by A&M and also by Mobile Fidelity.  Hard to
find, but it's out there.

What I'm waiting for is "Now", the glorious third album. wrote:
>Buzzcocks - A Different Kind Of Tension (I have a cassette copy, but have
>never seen it on CD)

I've got this on CD.  I got it as part of a box set of Buzzcocks CDs.

"Kevin Hiscock" <> wrote:
>Buckingham Nicks

Yeah, I keep hoping.  It was released in Japan, but I couldn't see
spending US$40 for something I don't listen to all that often.  Then
again, even the LP is expensive these days

>WOMAD from 1982? with the boys' "It's Nearly Africa".  At least I think
>that was the XTC cut on this, my first, WOMAD experience

There's a "best of" CD available, but it's only highlights from the
original double LP.

I'm waiting for a number of albums:

Captain Sensible: Women and Captains First, The Power of Love,
	Sensible Singles, A Day in the Life of...
John Denver: Take Me To Tomorrow
Thomas Dolby: The Golden Age of Wireless (US promo track listing)
The Dregs: Industry Standard
Freur: Get Us Out Of Here
David Grisman: Dawg Jazz / Dawg Grass
The David Grisman Quintet: Quintet '80
Allan Holdsworth: Road Games
The League of Crafty Guitarists: Get Crafty I
Mark O'Connor: Meanings of...
Uptones: Outback
U2: Boy (original UK issue with bonus track)

And there are others where the record companies botched the CD
reissue, but that's another story.

	-- John


Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:39:13 +0100
From: "Paul Wilkinson " <>
Subject: Martin Newell Video
Message-ID: <000801c33c1a$9fa4cda0$569a7bd5@mesh>

Martin Newell recently celebrated his 50th birthday with a very rare music
gig in Colchester.
The event was professionally filmed and there is a good chance of it being
released on video or DVD in the near future if enough interest is shown.

I've been asked to gauge interest via the site. Pop along to and read all about it. If you already know you'll
definitely want a copy just send an email to
telling us what quantity and where you are.

This is just a straw poll sort of thing at this stage.

It was a really great gig by the way and quite well attended by XTC fans who
I'm sure must have graced these pages from time to time.

The same director of this video is planning a documentary on Newell in the
not to distant future and Andy has already been successfully approached.

Paul Wilkinson


Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:07:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Smart <>
Subject: hard to find CDs
Message-ID: <>

bands in decline? Well, most of them, other than XTC,
really. Especially Blur. Yikes!

Hard to find CDs I'd like:

The first solo albums by Adrian Belew and Dave Davies.

I do have that Difford/Tillbrook album on LP
somewhere...and Titanic Days by Kirsty Macoll was
widely available on CD when it was new and "I can't
stop killing you" was all over the radio. Is it really
hard to find?



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