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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 8, Number 68

                 Monday, 16 December 2002


              Didn't post for many months...
             For Molly and the Three Wise Men
                     Warbles Whinging
Nickel Creek, What's Bluegrass, Angel Trumpets & Devil Trombones
                 Kudos, copies, and cost
             Marty Fopp, Bootlegs & All That
                    The Three Wisemen
      Christmas Song/Remasters/Listening Suggestions
                      Humor in Music
                     Under Cover XTC?
         RE: [NRBQ] Magic band link (potential Q)
            Making Digital Cable Worthwhile...
      Re: I'm The Man Who Murdered Bert... and more!
              We Three Kings Are Disoriented
                      warbling along
             The case for a second CD changer
                     Fuzzier Warbles
               XTC on Old Grey Whistle Test
                      A final warble
                      Pricy Warbles


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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:16:06 +0100
From: "Bergmaier Klaus" <>
Subject: Didn't post for many months...
Message-ID: <>

Didn't post for many months...
...but the release of FW1&2 is a reason I have to post again (I have
been quite busy on the forum of during the
last months).

I ordered signed copies via

It's really a shame Colin is not part of FW, maybe he can join back in
on Vol. 3, he should. The discs are excellent and I subscribe to
everything Ben Gott said in #8-67. I can't tell you at the moment
which song or which disc is better. I love it all from the first to
the last second! Man, it's a load of brand new XTC stuff to me. I had
never bought any bootlegs!!!

Visit me at (Links to Chalkhills & XTC plus
many more stuff)

Yours in XTC
Klaus Bergmaier


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:28:41 -0600
From: "John Sarappo" <>
Subject: For Molly and the Three Wise Men
Message-ID: <001901c2a2c4$b3260be0$>


The Three Wise men song is called "Thanks For Christmas" and the flip side
is the equally entertaining Colin tune "Countdown to Christmas Party Time".
Both are available on the XTC release "Rag and Bone Buffet".

It is pretty funny you mention that because I heard the song being piped
through my local outlet mall muzak system in Lebenon, Tennessee. Can you
imagine that? Rednecks and XTC. Also, I heard the song again on my Hilton
Hotel TV "Hotel Information" Channel while I was snowed in DC last week. I
wonder if King George the Bush ever listened to XTC? I see him as more of a
Journey/REO/Styx kind of guy...


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:08:14 -0500
From: Gary McBride <>
Subject: Warbles Whinging
Message-ID: <>

The sundry complaints over the "pricey" Fuzzy Warbles CDs from the
company store are unbelievable.

>  but I do resent paying extra when buying direct from the "band".

We've all gone to see a live show and seen the band sell CDs on the
cheap ($10 is pretty standard in the U.S.) but generally the band is
selling from the allocation the record company "gave" them... usually
in lieu of royalties. Or in the case of unsigned bands, they generally
sell the vast majority of their CDs at shows.

However (other than Fugazi) most "official" band websites sell stuff at
pretty close to list price... just as when you price computer software
or peripherals from the manufacturers vs. retailers. In fact, most
products are priced that way.

The reason for this is that the manufacturers depend almost entirely on
their retailers to move their product. If the company store undercuts
what retailers can sell for, it removes the retailer's incentive to
carry the product at all. This is something of an "old school"
pre-internet philosophy, but it's still very common. The company stores
exist almost solely to serve those who either don't have a retailer in
their area (old school) or don't care to make the effort to shop around
or are fiercely loyal. Have you priced anything at ""
-- the official store for a lot of bands -- very pricey. Like buying a
CD at a Tower Records store.

Not to mention the economies of scale... if APE sells a case of CDs to
a distributor, it's essentially the same amount of effort to write up
the order, collect payment, and ship the item as it is to sell one CD
to an individual...the only difference is the actual cost of the units
and shipping. So, if APE sells a quantity of 100 CDs to a distributor
with a two pound mark-up (or whatever) they get 200 pounds profit. But
to sell an individual CD at the same price, they only make 2 pounds,
for essentially the same effort... unless they price at list, where
they might make 6 or 8 pounds, which is then actually worth the effort.

My guess is Andy is just as happy to have people buy from retailers
because it demonstrates that XTC and APE are still commercially viable
with a real, live fan base, so maybe they'll be prone to carry more XTC
back catalog stuff or future releases, thus further benefitting our
chums. And after all, Andy & Co. are just trying to make a living.

Apologies for the boring marketing epistle... but if nothing else,
maybe this will help end of the complaining about the price of the new
Fuzzy Warbles. Just be thankful that they exist at all.

Back to lurking,
Gary M.


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:10:46 -0600
From: "Xteve X" <>
Subject: Nickel Creek, What's Bluegrass, Angel Trumpets & Devil Trombones
Message-ID: <>

OK, I'll admit up front, this might be a bit pedantic, but characterizing
Nickel Creek as "bluegrass" is bound to cause an uproar on any list devoted
to the music.

Of course, you ask 5 different people who play bluegrass to define what the
music is, you'll get 5 different answers.

Personally, I'd call Nickel Creek country or "new acoustic". They definitely
are bluegrass-inspired, and Chris Thile is a hell of a mandolin player, but
they don't have that high lonesome sound I associate with bluegrass and guys
like Bill Monroe, Jimmy Martin, the Dillards, the Kentucky Colonels, etc.

Maybe a few of my pickin' brethren like Relph & Harrison can comment on

Nickel Creek = ain't bluegrass, or at least bluegrass as I understand it.
But I like em all the same ... except for the girl's singing voice. Too
breathy and pretentious...reminds me too much of Tori Amos.

XTC Content: I almost got the Fuzzy Warbles set on Idea's web page but
balked at the high price of the two disks. I mean, I want to help em out,
but it's tough to justify the price to myself. Especially when I already
have/heard about half the songs. Note to Andy: If you can release these
songs as DEMOS, why not go whole hog and do a whole bloody album????? You've
got the facilities to do so ... I'm more than happy to buy studio albums of
new material. And why the heck don't XTC do a show like "Sessions at West
54th" or even "Storytellers". They seem ideally suited to do such a
thing!!!! I'd imagine that a video of said show would sell hella better than
any karaoke album or collection of musty old demos would. Am I right,

Clockwork Orange/ Fuzzy Warbles note: I ran into Malcolm McDowell at the
Borders on Michigan Avenue in Chicago about a month ago. He was buying a
newspaper. I shook his hand & said it was an honor to meet him. He was
really cool. That particular store seems to be a goldmine for celebrity
sightings. I've spotted Elvis Costello and Bill Maher there as well.


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:30:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Bernhardt <>
Subject: Kudos, copies, and cost
Message-ID: <>


Mollie, thanks for the kind words. Stuff like that warms the heartles of my
cock. Seriously. I hope you never leave the 'hills, too.

Steven "as a lawyer I should know this stuff" Paul asked:
> Also, since we're talking lately about boot-legs and pirating, is it a
> violation of law or ethics to make a CDR copy of W1 and W2 for my own use
> at the office/in the car?

Absolutely not. This is one reason why copy-protection of CDs will probably
never take hold. There are too many legitimate reasons* for people to make
copies of CDs, and how the hell are the record companies going to know the
intent or purpose of the people making the copies?

(*Not too long ago, someone broke into my car, and stole my Discman and some
pocket change. While replacing the broken window and my CD player was an
expensive hassle, at least I didn't lose the ~200 CDs I had in the car --
they were all CD-R copies of discs from my home collection, meaning they
were pretty much worthless to someone looking to sell or pawn them.)

Several people posted about the cost of the Warbles, and Wes suggested that
I might know something of Andy's thinking on the pricing of the discs. I
expect to talk to him soon about it, but here's what I know about his
thoughts on the general situation, as well as some thoughts of my own.

The last two times Andy and I talked, he was working his way through
autographing 2,000 FWs. Though he jokingly complained of writer's cramp, he
admitted that he was trying to give people a reason to buy through Idea,
rather than getting a discounted copy through Amazon et. al.  I joked with
him that, in Marketingspeak, he was "adding value" by autographing the
copies, and he wholeheartedly agreed.

Because I want to support the band, and have the money to spend, I'm willing
to eat the extra cost of buying the band's CDs at the Idea site, but I also
understand the frustration over this issue ... for example, Fripp and Co.
usually offer autographed and non-autographed copies of CDs at their
Discipline Global Mobile site (at least they did ... I haven't been there in
a while), so customers have a choice. The non-autographed version is usually
competitive w/other retailers.

I like save money as much as the next person, and usually shop around for
CDs, but getting the full range of prices usually means waiting. So, I guess
the question is, do you want it cheap, or do you want it first? Idea had it
before other retailers. There are other benefits, too: Idea's version is
autographed, and altruistic purchasers can rest assured that more money is
going to Andy and the boys (because of lower distribution/supply-chain
costs, as well as the premium price).

My take on the situation is that Andy doesn't want to get into the price-war
game (which he'd have to do if he put non-autographed copies on the site and
tried to match other retailers' prices). Instead, I think he prefers to be
the "premium outlet" for XTC stuff. I believe Andy is charging what he
thinks is a fair price for FW, given the substantial work he's put into the
discs, and the cost of their production (because it's a small run with nice
packaging, the per-unit cost is higher than it would be on a release more
geared to a general audience) ... who knows, maybe he's even losing a bit of
money, or breaking even, on the other distribution channels (but is using
them to gain wider distribution), and is offsetting that loss by charging a
bit more through the Idea site.

But, of course, I could be wrong about this speculation. I'll ask Andy next
time we talk, and let you know what he says.

Smudge, thanks for the holiday transcription present. Cool interview.


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:44:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Marty Fopp, Bootlegs & All That
Message-ID: <>

Chalkhillers Anonymous,

I'm back (unisono: "Welcome back Mart!") - not that you cared anyway.:)

Some points:

1) It's slightly dodgy etiquette, but does someone have Martin Fopp's
(Oberursel, Germany) contact info? He seems to have disappeared off the
face of the earth. Please email me off-list.

2) On to digest #8-67: I (just) missed the start of the thread, but Wes is
entirely right - selling CD-Rs is WRONG, and you're giving real traders
a bad name. As put by David Pajo (go buy "Whatever, Mortal" now!):
"Somebody is rolling in some cash right now, low overhead and a big price
tag. And they didn't have to play a note, they didn't have to pay for gas
to drive to New Jersey, they didn't practice 5 nights a week trying to
hone the songs down".

3) And on a related note: Steven Paul asked "Also, since we're talking
lately about bootlegs and pirating, is it a violation of law or ethics to
make a CDR copy of W1 and W2 for my own use at the office/in the car?"
No, digital copies for your own use are allowed under US law.

4) and "pawnee q ribber" <> remarked:
"As far as the whole trade/sell thing,there's so many factors, and the
bottom line really is that even trading deprives the artist of
potential income."
Muaybe - given the fact that most traded material will never see the light
of day, and that most music buffs will buy the official releases anyway,
this is a bit of a moot point.
Example: I have all the Pixies B-sides and The Purple Tape demos, yet I
bought "Complete B-sides" and "Pixies" both the day they came out. I
expect it will be no different for us rabid XTC fans.




Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:19:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Nicole Ross <>
Subject: The Three Wisemen
Message-ID: <>

Molly wrote:

-> Getting off the subject, but I can't remember the
-> Christmas song that "The Three Wisemen" sing?  I've
-> been looking for it for a long time, but I have no
-> idea what's the title of the song."

Oh, Molly! I have that on a bootleg, I can copy it for
you easy...

... forgive me there... it was just soooo open for a
joke... JOKING... really.

Was it "Thanks for Christmas" or "Countdown to
Christmas Party Time"? If so, both are on the Rag and
Bone Buffet - which was the third XTC cd I bought (for
clarification: from a store - not a bootleg).

- Nicole


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:26:08 -0800
From: strwbrry <>
Subject: Christmas Song/Remasters/Listening Suggestions
Message-ID: <>

Molly asks:

> I can't remember the Christmas song that "The
> Three Wisemen" sing?  I've been looking for it for a long time, but I have
> no idea what's the title of the song.

"Thanks For Christmas"
"Countdown To Christmas Party Time"
on Rag and Bone Buffet.

Two cents on the Remasters:

I am so pleased with my remasters. Having pedantically listened to the old
cd's back to back with the new I'll say: the remasters have sparkling
clarity, less suppressed bass, and an increased volume that provides greater
detail. They're very much worth the investment, especially if you've
invested in a sound system.

A penny on alternative listening to XTC:

Poi Dog Pondering-
I've really enjoyed all their works especially their earliest and most
recent works. Frank Orrall is the the singer/songwriter. A song that has
clear XTC influence by PdP is "Bury Me Deep" which reflects "My God."

Steve Tibbetts-

I love this music. It is instrumental collage of acoustic and electric
guitar with african influenced percussion, a variety of other instruments
and auditory snippets.

Another Steve


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:57:46 -0800
From: "Jason Feehan" <>
Subject: Humor in Music
Message-ID: <>

>The clinically amiable Partridge gets up a rare head of steam as he sets
>about explaining why he's immutably out of step with contemporary music.
>"It's a shame, but fun and levity have vanished from music in the last
>twenty years," he says. "Everybody is just so desperate to be cool."
>"There is no Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band, no Mothers Of Invention nowadays.
>Music should be allowed to express humour and joy as much as any other
>art form."

Hear! Hear!

Andy says it again. Any song with the slightest bit of humor or
humour (if you're on that side of the Atlantic) automatically gets
dismissed by most people. It's the same with comedies and the
Oscars. "Great art has to be serious." Screw it. I believe you can
get more people to  _think_ more about serious issues if you add
that tinge of humor to help make the medicine go down. Andy's a
master at that (see: I'm The Man Who Murdered Love, Here Comes
President Kill Again, Dear God ...). Andy's right and thanks for
posting that interview!

And...I think that should go for this onslaught of overly serious
and sentimental "holiday music" we're subjected to each year as
well: see or

"If I'm not the sole fool who pulls his pants down",



Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:22:07 +0000
Subject: Under Cover XTC?
Message-ID: <>

Hail and Well Met!
Ran across an article today about new CD sets in the paper this morning.
This one mentions a various artists set entitled "Making Singles, Drinking
Doubles" from Chicago-based Bloodshot records and contains 18 cover songs.
(The Meat Purveyors version of Like A Virgin sounds interesting without even
a listen yet).

Anyway, the song listing mentions Moonshine Willy doing a bluegrass version
of the XTC classic "Complicated Games".  Interestingly, both the article and have the song title in plural, so I'm wondering if the article is
in error with the XTC reference.  Has anyone heard this yet or had occasion
to read the song credits?  If I get past the holidays with a few dollars
left, I may pick it up.

David Lake


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:14:25 -0800
From: Jeff Levy <>
Subject: RE: [NRBQ] Magic band link (potential Q)
Message-ID: <>

If Matt Groening is the curator of the next LA version of All Tomorrow's
Parties WHO KNOWS who might end up on the bill?

>Sorry, I should have included the link for the upcoming Magic Band


Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:46:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Ira Lieman <>
Subject: Making Digital Cable Worthwhile...
Message-ID: <>

Hi Chalkhillians...

Money's tight around my house these days, but when Digital
Cable made its grand entrance into my town we snapped it up
like Mr. Creosote at a buffet. I think we're paying about
$6 per month for like a hundred more channels and HBO

So, VH1 Classic has been playing virtually nonstop in my
house since then, and I've even requested XTC videos for
the request show (, early and

So this weekend is '80s A to Z, done alphabetically by
video instead of artist (otherwise I would have to stay up
until like 4am on Monday to see if XTC was being played and
probably be disappointed). So, right after Dancing With
Myself by Billy Idol, what's coming on? Yup, you guessed
it, Dear God. Too bad only my ~6 month old daughter was
around to be serenaded. (Well, maybe that was a good thing)
I was so eXTatiC... :) Then I was brought down to earth by
Der Kommissar (the non-Falco version) and I went back to
cleaning the house. As I speak now they're up to the
"Don't" group ... Don't Dream It's Over, Don't Let's Start,
Don't Worry Be Happy, Don't You Forget About Me ... it
seems at least 3 of every 4 songs they're playing merit at
least a glimpse of the TV. I miss the '80s. Sigh.

Anyway, thought I might have been the only one here
watching VH1 Classic around 9am Eastern this morning, and I
wouldn't have wanted the rest of you folx to have missed

-ira, back to job searching and warming bottles.

Ooh...Don't You Want Me's on!


Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:34:17 -0000
From: "jonhd" <>
Subject: Re: I'm The Man Who Murdered Bert... and more!
Message-ID: <002c01c2a308$89663d40$ca01a8c0@two>


Wes, in a moment of wild optimism, wrote in Vol. 8, No. 67:-

> Now - I've got a really fast burner and can dupe a CD
> in about 3 minutes... is it possible to have a burner
> that takes an hour to make a copy of a disc? I
> honestly don't know. 8< snip---------

If you burn at 1x, it takes as long as the source material (plus a bit).

My burner will do 24x (i.e. approx. 3 mins. for a 72 min. CD source), but I
usually burn *audio* at 4x max. The faster you burn, the less the the
physical structure of the finished product may conform to the Red Book
standard - the faster you go, the less-defined the 'pits' may be. This *can*
cause BIG problems for older CD players - in particular automobile players.
The result is jumping and skipping, as the error correction in the player
has to work harder and harder, and eventually falls over. (Even a
commercially 'glass-mastered' CD causes some errors on playback -
progressively more, as it ages, gets dirty / scratched.) So, if you want to
guarantee compatibility across all players, burn slow('ish). And bottom
line - CD-R can never approach glass-mastered.

although, if you've got a life, the following provides a briefer, and more
specific discussion:
For an alternative (contrary - hey! It's an Art, not a Science) spin, see:
*Excellent* (life-sapping) discussion at:
And, like I've always said, black sho' is funkiest:

Awopbopaloobop etc.

Cheers, Jon
Jon Holden-Dye


Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:03:52 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: We Three Kings Are Disoriented
Message-ID: <>

on 12/13/02 9:33 AM, Molly wrote:

> Getting off the subject, but I can't remember the Christmas song that "The
> Three Wisemen" sing?  I've been looking for it for a long time, but I have
> no idea what's the title of the song.  If anybody knows, please let me know
> either by e-mail or here.  My e-mail is .

We Three Kings Of Orient Are
Trying to smoke a rubber cigar
But it was loaded, and exploded...


Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:29:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Rosevere <>
Subject: warbling along
Message-ID: <>

Well, I got my warbles too, and living in Canada, they
weren't cheap.  For anyone in the Great White North
who wants to order it, be prepared to pay roughly $40
per disc ($65 for both with exchange and shipping +
$15 duty!).

But I don't regret it, because the CDs are fantastic
and having Andy's autograph makes it that much better
- and it's XTC so I gotta have it.  Nice booklets and
the sound quality is superb...great to finally have
excellent copies of the Peach demos.  It would have
been nice if the volumes were arranged
chronologically, but I can understand that overall
listening enjoyment is more important.

BTW, here's my Top 10 (no particular order):

1. Kay Hanley - "Cherry Marmalade"
2. Tanya Donelly - "Beauty Sleep"
3. Beck - "Sea Change"
4. Juliana Hatfield  - "Gold Stars: the best 1992-2002"
5. Ron Sexsmith - "Cobblestone Runway"
6. Bic Runga - "Beautiful Collision"
7. Dressy Bessy - "Sound Go Round"
8. Spookey Ruben - "Bed/Breakfast"
9. Ben Folds - "Rockin' the Suburbs"
10. Andy Patridge - "Fuzzy Warbles 1 & 2" (of course).

Technically, Ben Folds was released in 2001, but I'm
including it anyway cuz it's that good.

Anybody heard any news about the "King For A Day"
project?  Been awhile since an update..



Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:25:23 -0800
From: strwbrry <>
Subject: Oops/Fuzzy
Message-ID: <>

For any of you who might have been interested in following the musical
suggestion I made earlier for Poi Dog Pondering the song that appears
influenced by "Dear God" is titled "Praise the Lord." That aught to
make more sense if you've actually sought them out.

I ordered my Fuzzy Warbles from the Idea site. Should arrive overseas
any day! Interestingly, just the week before I watched A Clockwork
Orange (unbeknownst to its "fuzzy" content) for the first time in
years and was suprised in a twisted and delighted sort of way to hear
the "warbles" reference.  After the "do what you will, but harm none"
ethic promoted on the apple/venus pair to be shouldering up to the
very well rounded I guess is an example of the flow and ebb of our
cosmic adventurings...  ...not being an expert on sixties lingo of the
british street perhaps it's a bit inaccurate to allow A Clockwork
Orange to harbor "fuzzy warbles" as the sole source reference?

Another Steve


Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:19:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Anthony <>
Subject: The case for a second CD changer
Message-ID: <>

A couple of Digests ago, Ben Gott wrote:

"Last weekend, I bought a 100 CD changer. It's the
best damn thing I've ever bought. Where else can you
go from Marley to Guided by Voices to Shawn Colvin to
R.E.M. to Michael Franti & Spearhead in one fell

You know what you should do now, Ben? Buy -- or ask
Father Christmas for -- a second changer. It can be
any size, but it must be the same brand as the machine
you already own. Put half of your CD collection in
each. Your operation manual will teach you how to link
your two jukeboxes with an inexpensive mono connection
cord and program them in such a way that while a song
plays in Changer 1, the next song is cued up in
Changer 2 and begins the moment the first song ends.
This eliminates the fifteen- or twenty-second silence
you hear while a single machine switches discs. The
transition is smooth and immediate -- you'll think
you're listening to your own live-in disc jockey,
except there's no patter between platters.

Some will argue that fifteen or twenty seconds of
silence between songs is inconsequential. I say, if
you set your single jukebox on "random shuffle" for a
full evening, by bedtime you will have listened to a
cumulative thirty minutes of silence, and who wants to
send that much money to the Estate of John Cage?

My two jukeboxes, linked by control cord and set for
"all discs shuffle," "mega-control" (so that Changer 1
directs Changer 2 to work in concert) and "no delay,"
have been playing my collection back to me, one
randomly-chosen song or comedy bit at a time, since
mid-2000. It's my own private radio station, KRNA, and
it plays a lot of XTC.

Ben, if you like your current changer and you want
your second machine to be identical, go to, type in the make and model, and look
for a retailer who will offer you a bargain -- and
might even charge no shipping.

(I have no connection to MySimon except as a satisfied
customer some ten times over.)

Ryan Anthony
An independent Internet content provider

P.S.: Did I write "Father Christmas" above? How evil
of me. Or how unfashionable of me. (I get the two
confused.) I meant to write, of course, Parent Holiday.


Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:04:42 EST
Subject: Fuzzier Warbles
Message-ID: <>

Hi All

As a CD retailer will-be I would like to chuck in my 2 pence/cents worth.
Firstly Amazon has never been able to organise itself sufficiently to deal
with the .com or scenario, if you are in the UK and you order from it will come from the USA, even if you live in the UK and the
product is also available in the website.  This has been ongoing
with them for at least 3 years, and no doubt now they are finally showing
"pro-forma" profits (whatever the hell they are) they feel no desire to
change.  The major factor with Amazon is, and always has been, their postage
charges which I have always felt very excessive and is the reason I rarely
buy from them.  To send a CD within the UK costs 57 pence, plus the cost of
the envelope/package, compare that with what they charge and there's your
pro-forma profit.
Secondly according to my wholesale guy the Recommended Retail Price for Fuzzy
1 or 2 is 11 quid, if you're ordering from a UK store and you live outside
Europe you shouldnt be charged VAT so that should bring your price down to
about 9 quid.  So, basically, if you pay any more than 11 quid you're either
(a) mad or (b) loaded.  If your answer is (b) I'd like to hear from you...



Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:49:44 -0000
From: "Ian Sutton" <>
Subject: XTC on Old Grey Whistle Test
Message-ID: <000d01c2a494$a5161c80$946d0450@tinyhwsvzxjo>

There is a video of XTC playing Statue of Liberty on the BBC show Old Grey
Whistle Test to be found on RealNetworks Superpass Europe.  I think you may
have to be a subscriber to the Realone Pass to view it but there is a 14 day
free trial option.  There is also some excellent footage of other
performances from the likes of Blondie, Tom Waits and U2 from the 70's to
have a look at.  Use the following URL and you will see a small box with the
OGWT logo and a link to Explore just below it.  I believe there is a DVD
available of the Old Grey Whistle Test and XTC are on it but I'm not sure if
it's this performance.


Ian Sutton


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:03:38 -0000
From: "Darryl W. Bullock" <>
Subject: A final warble
Message-ID: <001e01c2a4c8$e1ab2760$19a2fea9@Bullock>

Oops - I seem to have stirred up something here!

Thought that you might like to see what Idea/Weatherbox had to say on the

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To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 00:09
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Warbles

hi darryl

sorry you are pissed of with us, but let me explain.

the recommended retail price of the watbles is #12.99 but unfortunatley we
have no control over how much retailers sell it for, mvc are parts of the
woolies chain and so get huge file discounts which enable them to discount
the album to #11.71 again this is something we have no control over.

The rest of the fuzzy warbles series is not planned to be available in the
shops only through this web site so even amazon will not have any.

The instrumentals, have unfortunately been delayed due to a manufacturing
problem which has now been resolved and andy and colin are signing them as

Hope this explains everything and hey don't be too pissed at us

site admin

To which I replied:

Dear all,

Thanks for the reply - sorry I have not been in touch earlier.

I do appreciate, having worked in the trade for many years, how file
discount works and understand how this impacts on the price difference
between what you are charging for the stunning FW's and what the UK chains

The point was simply that many people would have appreciated having a choice
between buying the premium, autographed version and a cheaper non-signed
version, especially as we had been led to believe that the discs would only
be available via Idea.

Andy and Colin could issue a recording of their farts and I'd still buy it!

Much love, and a Happy Christmas to Andy and Colin, their families and all
at Idea.


The final thought goes out to all at Chalkhills, too!


Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:24:28 +0000
From: "Neil Oliver" <>
Subject: Pricy Warbles
Message-ID: <>

Got the first two Fuzzy Warbles this week. They sound and look great. But
they cost me about $70 Canadian when all was said and done. I had to pay
Idea 27 pounds for the discs and the shipping, which in Canadian terms is
about 55 bucks, and then when I went to pick them up at the post office I
had to pay another 16 dollars in customs and taxes! I want to support Andy
but this is a lot to pay for demo recordings. I think it would be nice if he
could find a North American distributor. (Or was there some other way to buy
the discs that I didn't know about?)

And as I have said before on this list, I'd prefer it if Andy would stick to
reasonably polished demos and not pad the discs out with throwaway
instrumentals and crappy work tapes. As much as I enjoyed hearing pristine
masters of the more recent demos, I was irritated to be charged money for
barely listenable things like "Complicated Game" and "All of a Sudden." I
feel a bit like Andy is taking advantage of my fandom when he releases this
kind of stuff.

On a totally unrelated but also irritated note: I wish people would stop
reporting "Tunes to Help You Breathe More Easily" as the working title of
XTC's new album. This was merely the title of the news item they put up on
the Idea site about Andy and Colin's new songs. Nowhere does it say that
this is what they are calling the album.


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