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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 8, Number 64

                 Tuesday, 3 December 2002


                    Homegrown Bargains
                  Partridge, medium rare
             How about XTB? No, make that XTD
                     (not) going APE
                       XTCover ART
        Fuzzy Warbles Vol 1 and 2 track listing...
                 Chomsky names influences
           new poster, old fan, recycled trend
                WHAT ARE WE LISTENING TO?
                        Horse Hill
                    Of Berts And Boots
                Ground down to submission
              Beatles. A flippin' good read
                     Everybody Berts
                      RE: My Mummer
                Attack of the Blue Meanies
               Music - quality and industry
                     Reader's Digest
     Re: Let's Make a Band... What Name Shall We Use?
                   Uh, ... Dom's back?


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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:23:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Jay Gillespie <>
Subject: Homegrown Bargains
Message-ID: <>

I was browsing through when
I found that they're selling Homegrown for only $3.49!
Even with the $3 flat shipping rate for the US, that's
still only $6.50 for this quality item.  They're also
selling Wasp Star for only $7.49, and have a few of
the remasters for some reasonable prices as well.

The only downside is that if these two albums are
selling for so cheap at overstock, they must not have
sold too well in the US.


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:47:01 -0500
From: Mitch Friedman <>
Subject: Partridge, medium rare
Message-ID: <v03007804ba03291c8780@[]>


Just a quick email to announce that my very own website,
is now up and at 'em.

It's got free music, photos, lyrics, reviews, interviews, scripts, video, a
guestbook, artwork, my bio, links, news and some surprises.

It's also got a few rare, previously unreleased Andy Partridge audio clips,
in case you're interested. ;-)

I hope you have a chance to check it out.


p.s. My site is best viewed using the latest versions of either Netscape or
Internet Explorer but will work ok with older versions of both.

p.p.s.  Please join me live on the air on Monday December 2nd from 9 - 10pm
EST as I play songs from my FRED cd, answer email questions and get
interviewed over the phone courtesy of .  You'll
need to have Windows Media Player installed on your computer to listen.
Even those of you that use a Mac can download the free software from

Hope to see you there!


Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:59:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Anthony <>
Subject: How about XTB? No, make that XTD
Message-ID: <>

Thanks to those Chalkhillians who set me straight, on-
and off-list, about Harlan Ellison and "Cordwainer
Bird." Lotsa science friction frans in this faternity.

Chris Vreeland asks, "Tell me, faithful, what should
an XTC tribute band call itself?"

Hmm, an XTC tribute band ... how about XTB?

No, make that XTD, so you'll be listed immediately
*after* our heroes in the Grand Alphabetical
Compendium of Every Band Ever.

Ryan Anthony
An independent Internet content provider

P.S.: Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Yanks. If you
happen to be in the godforsaken wastes of southwestern
Arizona or southeastern California on the 27th or the
29th, whittling on the front porch of your
double-wide, and you observe a gray Xterra (my XTC
tribute vehicle) zipping by on Interstate 8 with the
infectious pagan strains of "Greenman" leaking out,
put down your beer and wave at me!


Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:39:18 -0500
From: "Ted Harms" <>
Subject: (not) going APE
Message-ID: <>

Anybody else surprised by the cost of the Fuzzy discs?

Given what I assume is the 'demo' quality of the songs, I'm a bit shocked by
the 10.21GBP (which works out to about $25CDN/$16US).  Not to mention that
there'll be shipping charges and whatever the bank dings me for having the
privilege of asking them to exchange my paper and iron.

Yes, I'm well aware that some may argue that Andy is due great gobs of cash
from getting screwed by Virgin, etc. etc. and I'm not saying he isn't due
fair recompense.  And yes, this is a free-market economy and nobody is
holding a gun to my head forcing me to buy them, but I was hoping that
they'd be a little bit more reasonably priced.

It's just that, if this is the price for all the Fuzzy discs, I think it'll
be for completionists only.

Ted Harms | Davis Centre Library, Univ. of Waterloo |
"Character is what you are in the dark."  Lord John Whorfin


Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:05:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Wes Long <>
Subject: XTCover ART
Message-ID: <>

Kidz -

On Sept 12, 2002 Andy and I discussed the history of
all the covers of XTC's proper albums. The results are
now on my site - in text form - with images of rare
test pressings. For your enjoyment...



Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:05:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "" <>
Subject: Fuzzy Warbles Vol 1 and 2 track listing...
Message-ID: <>

Hi all,

Included below is the track listing for the Fuzzy Warbles Vol 1. and
Vol 2. collections to be released in the UK December 2, 2002 according

I plan to buy them for 'I Donb
I guess 'Rip Van Rueben', 'This Is The End', 'All I Dream Of Is A
Friend' and 'Prince Of Orange' will be on Vol 3. and Vol 4.?  I can
only hope...



Andy Partridge - Fuzzy Warbles (The Demo Archives) Vol 1.
1. Dame Fortune
2. Born Out Of Your Mouth
3. Howlin Burston
4. Donb5. That Wag
6. That Wave
7. Oceanb8. Everything
10. Goosey Goosey
11. Merely A Man
12. EPNS
13. Summer Hot As This
14. Miniature Sun
15. I Bought Myself A Liarbird
16. Complicated Game
17. Wonder Annual
18. Space Wray
19 Rocket

Andy Partridge - Fuzzy Warbles (The Demo Archives) Vol 2
1. Ridgeway Path
2. I Donb3. Young Marrieds
4. No One Here Available
5. Obscene Procession
6. Miller Time
7. Youb8. Ra Ra Rehearsal
9. Ra Ra For Red Rocking Horse
10. Everythingb11. 25 Ob12. GOOM
13. Chain Of Command
14. All Of A Sudden
15. Summerb16. Then She Appeared
17. Itb18. Ship Trapped In The Ice.


Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:17:17 -0800
From: "Richard" <>
Subject: Chomsky names influences
Message-ID: <023e01c2974d$70f251c0$>

Hey, who hasn't been influenced by XTC?  (that's a shorter list than asking
it the other way)  ...another band that has been featured on the
Chalkhills site lets the proverbial cat out of the proverbial bag...

They have a webpage of info for those media types and both "XTC" and "Andy"
get a mention and there is also a referential (or reverential) nod to "Drums
and Wires."

Tracks from their first CD are available on but go to and buy their CDs.  Rock well worth the expense.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... some of them are now friends of mine (blame Jill
Oleson!) but I receive no moolah or preferential treatment so... okay, okay,
maybe a LITTLE preferential treatment but no money!

Get to know Chomsky.

King For A Day


Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:58:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Happy Puppy Records <>
Subject: new poster, old fan, recycled trend
Message-ID: <>

Hi there,

Been lurking awhile and finally decided to join up.
And, I bring offerings on my first visit that will
either intrigue, or tick you right off:

It's an mp3 of that new trend all the kids are doing -
mishmashing 2 pop songs together by opposing bands to
create a new song.  This particular example mashes
XTC's "Stupidly Happy" with (of all things), "Gonna
Make You Sweat" by C&C Music Factory.

These bastard creations are called 'bootlegs',
although they just seem more like homemade remixing,
which isn't new.  However, myself being a fan of
Negativland and the like, I'm always curious to hear
the results.

~~Lee R.

ps. please accept my apple-lo-gees if this has been
posted before


Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:37:15 -0800 (PST)
From: travis schulz <>
Message-ID: <>

Hi Chalkies, with XTC away from the limelight for a
bit here it would be awful nice to get some
suggestions on some other bands and albums that were
really great this year.  Or even outside of this year
too.  So let's see some top ten lists like we had a
year or two ago and talk about things we like (and
pour ourselves a glass of stout)!  I can only list a
few which is why I suggest this suggestion in the
first place- 1.  George Harrison's latest:
Brainwashed- is worth a good hard listen cause you can
tell he poured his heart into it.  2.  Yankee Hotel
Foxtrot by Wilco which many here loved a lot I'm sure.
 3.  Ben Folds:  Rocking the Suburbs (is his new live
one any good?).  Other than this I still like cds that
came out a way long time ago like Ani Difranco's Swing
Set and Steely Dan's Two Against Nature.  Can anyone
make a modern day jazz suggestion for a Dan fan?  And
no, the Dave Matthews Band doesn't qualify.


Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 02:22:56 -0800
From: strwbrry <>
Subject: Horse Hill
Message-ID: <>

English Settlement fans might appreciate this link:
There are more photos if you follow the links at the bottom of the
page looking for the Uffington Horse.
This one is my favorite (with a little tweaking it makes a fine
desktop picture).
Another Steve


Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:57:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Wes Long <>
Subject: Of Berts And Boots
Message-ID: <>

Selling vs Trading -

Andy Partridge created the music - he's flattered that
*anyone* would want all the crap quality boots
floating around, and doesn't mind folks trading them.
Interestingly - he doesn't like folks selling them.

You can play all the games you want with the word
*trade* - To Andy there is a distinction between
trading for money and trading for other audio.

For me at least - that's the end of this discussion.


Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:03:36 -0000
From: "David Smith" <>
Subject: Ground down to submission
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAAMx/>

A telegram to Bertshire:

Bert stop

You win stop

You are always right stop

Everyone else is wrong stop

Stopped reading stop

Please stop




Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:16:47 -0000
From: "jonhd" <>
Subject: Beatles. A flippin' good read
Message-ID: <001101c29a48$22a18a10$ca01a8c0@two>

All of this apparent inside knowledge, ostensibly directed at Ben G., being
exercised by various 'Hillers... I reckon you've all been reading
"Revolution in The Head" by Ian MacDonald. 'Tis the definitive moptops book,
for me - way beyond a mere discography / biography - it's a damn fine
history of the real politik in the 60's / 70's. (And an enjoyable read,

Cheers, Jon
Jon Holden-Dye


Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:33:56 +0000 (GMT)
From: Dom Lawson <>
Subject: Everybody Berts
Message-ID: <>

God-fearing citizens,

Thanks for all the attempts to justify the existence
of 'Wonderland'. You're all mad, but thanks anyway.
Speaking of which...

>>Finally, Wonderland: a pleasant tune, and I'm a
sucker for cheesey synth sounds, so I like it. Any
containing the line "flirting with the lower gentry"
can't be all bad.

A valid point, but the quality of Colin's lyrics are
hardly the issue. Like our friend Bert, I am supremely
gifted in the art of looking things up in a
dictionary. Unfortunately, after looking for some
apposite pearls of wisdom via the words 'vapid',
'inane' and 'twee', I came away rather disappointed.
Sadly it appears that the people at Chambers haven't
heard 'Wonderland' yet. Mind you, I didn't look up

>>I must declare myself among the Mummer apologists -
it's always mystified me that most Chalkhillers don't
rate this album. I love it.

Sweet Christ, I agree with Bert! 'Mummer' is a fine
album (in fact, I don't remember reading too many
disparaging about it on Chalkhills, but the air is
thin up here and the mind plays tricks...),
particularly the masterful 'Ladybird' and the strident
arse-thwackery of 'Great Fire'. It's a very good album
indeed, but take that ghastly, limp-wristed
twinklefest out of the equation and it would have been
a truly great one.

>>Your whole argument is underpinned by a deeply
patronising belief that record buyers and artists are
all moronic imbeciles who need you to tell them when
they're being ripped off. What arrogant twaddle!

Did anyone else get a mental picture of an enormous,
swollen pot looming over a kettle at this point?
Honestly, Bert, you really should read your posts
before sending them in. Tsk tsk. Despite what you seem
to think, irony is not something you press your shirty

>>Dear God
Nough said

As a great sage once wrote: cobblers!

Not that you aren't entitled to your opinion, mind.
Good God, no!

Incidentally, my favourite Beatles album is 'Abbey
Road'. Stay awake at the back!!





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:59:00 -0800
From: "Kerry Chicoine" <>
Subject: RE: My Mummer
Message-ID: <000901c29a56$66ed7c20$>

Funny how all the sad clowns have died.

Count me amongst the Mummer supporters. It is as clear as a sheet of pink
plexiglas to me that Mummer is a prototype of Skylarking and, to a somewhat
lesser extent, Oranges and Lemons; it's a preliminary stab, an early attempt
if you will, at the 'classic' sound that XTC have come to be known for:
sweeping, grand, natural, pastoral, melodic. It's a blueprint for the
amazing musical revolution that followed and, because it is the spark point,
the aural origin, the big bang tambourine, it deserves not only respect but,
indeed, worship.

Bow down, heathens!

Not only are Mummer and Skylarking decidedly 'pastoral' or 'english' or
'Susan' (whatever you want to call it) but, to me anyway, they are the
break-point from the earlier, quirkier/rockier XTC material, *musically*
speaking anyway. English Settlement nearly submerged a pinky-toe in the
generally tepid waters of the same musical swimming pool, but Mummer is
where all the Oreo's got creamed, where all the elephants gathered together,
where sperm entered egg. FWIWIMHO, I don't consider O&L to be quite so
pastoral an album; more urban-tinged really; and Big Express is clearly a
shot in the dark, a one-off, an aberration, an anomaly, a somewhat confused
attempt at musical coalescence, although I know not why. These things bother
me and my head swims in circles of chalky waters.

These three classic XTC albums (Mummer, Skylarking and O&L) also 'flow' in
similar manners. I think of "Beating of Hearts" in the same way as "Summer's
Caldron" or "Garden of Earthly Delights"; upbeat, rhythm-heavy album openers
sprung from the pen of Partridge. "Wonderland" is to "King for a Day" as
"Love on a Farmboy's Wages" is to "Grass", and "Great Fire" is a kissin'
cousin to "That's Really Super, Supergirl". And if "Ladybird" ain't
'pastoral' I don't know what "1000 Umbrellas" is! These three albums are, to
me, the Holy Trinity held aloft upon the melodic sacrificial altar of the
church of XTC.

My wine, please. Thank you.

Remembering laughter,

kErrY kOMpOst


Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:17:07 +1100
From: "Crawford, Jeff" <>
Subject: Attack of the Blue Meanies
Message-ID: <>

I'd like to back up the comments of a fellow Jeff - get off Sgt Pepper's
back! Most bands would give their collective left testicles to produce an
album chocablock with such superb songs (including George's overlooked
"Within You Without You"). And I love "Mr Kite", it sums up just how weird
and scary circuses really are.
I don't think it's the best Fabs album either, but for many reasons it is
THE album - the concept (albeit a flimsy one), the cover, the timing (summer
of love and all that), and the fact that it all just seems to fit. Every
home should have one, and not just for "A Day in the Life".
While I enjoy revisiting and reassessing old albums as much as everyone
else, I get a little tired of people deciding that certain important
releases actually sucked (for instance, some wiseass in "Uncut" recently
declared that the Stones' "Let It Bleed" wasn't much chop ... huh?) while
obscurities are deemed lost masterpieces. Give me a break.
I also concur with Bert - there are many horror stories in the music
industry (e.g. Badfinger) but most of the time the artists only have
themselves to blame when it all goes pear shaped. Even when they hit the
jackpot they often blow it on a range of excesses (Michael Jackson is
currently in financial strife ..... what a spoilt, pampered idiot).
Andy and Colin would indeed be comfortably well off these days if they'd
backed up "Skylarking", "Oranges & Lemons", "Nonsuch" etc with touring and
more promotion (with a little help from the record company, of course).
Okay, they don't want to do that stuff, but unfortunately radio airplay
isn't based on good taste. Teenyboppers buy a shitload more records than the
rest of us, so Robbie Williams gets obscenely rich without ever having
written a song and AP composes wonderful tunes in his back shed. That's
life. Let's not forget an artist like Richard Thompson makes a pretty
healthy living through steady touring and sales of his back catalogue, and
he never had the hit single action XTC had.
And regarding the production line pop of the '60s versus today's soulless
drivel, let's just say that the likes of Spector, Motown etc (even the folks
behind the Monkees), were pioneers in songwriting and studio technology,
worked with real musicians and were competing with the Fabs, Dylan, Beach
Boys etc, rather than being slaves to technology and churning out
pre-programmed dross by the yard. Backstreet Boys, NSync and others of their
ilk will soon matter less than the 1910 Fruitgum Company. They'll be rich,
but will the kids be buying their remastered reissues in 10 or 20 years
time? Nope.
By the way, I'm still basking in the warm glow of having picked up box set
several weeks ago. It's full of wonders, of course, but am I the only one
who thinks the hidden tracks deserve to stay hidden? Pity they couldn't have
snuck in a real gem for us to discover.
best festive season wishes to all Chalkhillians, all the way from South
Jeff C


Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:03:26 +0100
From: "spiring.hem" <>
Subject: Music - quality and industry
Message-ID: <>

Bert wrote:
> 1) Yes, today's commercial music is dross. Yes,
> today's commercial music is mass produced and cloned.
> No, the two facts are not necesarily connected. You
> seem not to have noticed that commercial music has
> always been produced in this way. Ever heard of Tin
> Pan Alley? Motown? Bands like The Monkees? And yet,
> much of the commercial music of the '60s, though
> churned out on a conveyor belt just like today's, with
> artists working in much tougher conditions than
> today's pampered pop stars, was bloody brilliant. We
> have to look deeper to find the reason why today's
> popular music is not as good as it used to be.

Bert, it seems that you're stepping into the same trap as so many
before... "not as good as it used to be"? Sure, an opinion as good as
anybody's, but you're putting it through in a way that suggests that
you really believe that these are some kind of universal facts...
mixing up your lifetime's importance to yourself with its importance
to history, so to say. How many times in history hasn't the older
generations (which I'm part of now, as well) complained about the
degeneration of both the young generations and the society that they
live in? Now, if some kind of music professor was to compare the
"quality" of today's mass produced commercial music and the commercial
music of the sixties, I'm not sure that he would come to the
conclusion that the Tin Pan Alley music is actually "better" or more
advanced - but since when has music been about that kind of quality?
What I consider "good" when it comes to music is not that it's got
some kind of proof from experts that "this is good music"; it's that I
enjoy listening to it. OK, personally I prefer the Monkees to Westlife
or something, but not because I believe that the Monkees had some kind
of universal quality that Westlife lacks. Ask today's ten to fifteen
year olds twenty years from now what they regard as "good", and they
will most likely pick something that's popular nowadays (which could
be Westlife, Britney Spears, Eminem, Korn or whatever - they are all
today's examples of "commercial music" since they sell) rather than
both our beloved sixties music (or our beloved "new wave", sorry, "25
year old wave", music) and the popular, commercial music of the
2020's. And ask your average 70 year old, you will still hear how much
better Louis Armstrong was, how much more superior quality-wise, than
the Beatles or XTC. (I wrote "average"... my father, 59 years old,
loves Motorhead and enjoys both Slayer and Louis Armstrong...)

- - -

Having recently subscribed to this list, I've found the "Bert Vs. all"
thread quite amusing. As I see it, no one is really wrong. However,
Bert, you should consider one thing:

Without musicians, there would be no music.
Without record companies, there would still be lots and lots of music.

So, without neglecting the importance of the industry when it comes to
financing and distribution - if I hear something really really good,
like the new album from System Of A Down, I think "Wow! These guys are
really great!" rather than "Wow! Columbia really finances and
distributes great music!" And, by the way, I'm happy that "failed
musicians" like XTC still go for it rather than getting careers in,
for example, the music industry instead, since I'm not that fond of
neither the Monkees nor Westlife.



Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:14:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Versaci <>
Subject: Reader's Digest
Message-ID: <>


I think Chris & Joe should name their XTC Tribute Band
"11 Popes On A Fire Truck."


Spare me the inevitable "...'The White Album' should
have been one disc" nonsense.


Get a hold of "Deluxe" and "Purgatory Falls" by P.
Best thing I've heard since Gilbert.


C'mon fellahs, how about some *new* material?


"Music Business" is an oxymoron.


"Apple Venus Vol. I" is killer.


Relph does a great job, doesn't he?


Michael Versaci

"Here comes the salesman
 He used to be poor
 But not any more
 He says make your choice
 The bus or Rolls Royce
 It's easy to do
 Just quit being you"

 From the song "Here Comes The Savior" by Parthenon
Huxley from P. Hux "Deluxe."


Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:27:17 -0500
From: "Brian" <>
Subject: Re: Let's Make a Band... What Name Shall We Use?
Message-ID: <00bd01c29ad8$15920620$0be93a41@brian>


> >Chris Vreeland asked:
> >Tell me, faithful, what should an XTC tribute band call itself?

> eriC draveS replies:
> "Pink Floyd" has a nice ring to it. :)

No, no!
'Pink Thing' has a nice ring to it!

-Brian Matthews


Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:04:02 -0500
Subject: Uh, ... Dom's back?
Message-ID: <>

Uh, ... Dom's back?

What about Dom's front? Aside from Dom's sides that is...


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