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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 8, Number 6

                Wednesday, 16 January 2002


               RE: Dig That Crazy Beat Man!
         Making little green apples in The Shed?
               Eric Hesson And Dave Gregory
                      Gentle Genesis
             A Couple of Things I've Noticed
                 Elvis Costello's Top 500
                 resolving contradictions
                      Re: Steve Ward
                         The DB's
              Advice From Kinks Fans, Please
                     2001 Faves, dBs
               What the world needs now ...
              Re: Copyright, Beatles, etc...
                     Express yourself
                   Coal of Many Colours
     2001 Albums (the year, not the number of albums)
                       Clear Waters
                     Richard Thompson
                       Best of 2001
                 Commercial Potential...


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Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:08:34 -0000
From: "David Smith" <>
Subject: RE: Dig That Crazy Beat Man!
Message-ID: <>

Hi one and all, long time no post, new job et al.

Try words with more than one syllable Dave - a-ha,
there's one . . .

On the jazz thread, I always thought Miniature Sun
would have made (would STILL make) a great jazz toon.

Oh, just me then.

Marie O said of Andy's voice:

> Yes it's a little nasal, Andy is no Pavarotti,

Well vive la difference Mam'selle! Imagine Luciano belting
out Knights In Shining Karma. It's too horrible to even

The one and only Mark Strijbos, on Mr Gregory . . .

> Guess what he's got stencilled on his flightcases?

"XTC - The European Reunion Tour, 2003" perchance?

Alright, alright, a Smudge can dream, can't he?

Parrish Wlikinson informed us:

> Word just arrived at the agency...get ready gang, cause this spring,
> Peter Gabriel, Elvis Costello, Kate Bush, Neil Finn and a few other
> English artist will be singing

Neil Finn? English?

We wish! He doesn't!

I listened to Homegrown in the car today. Am I wrong for
preferring Andy's original version of I'm The Man Who
Murdered Love?

Floyd? I'll be moidered for this, but apart from Dark
Side, Wish You Were Here and sometimes The Wall (have
to be depressed and wanting to get more depressed) I
find most of the rest of the stuff I've heard crushingly

Oh, and my take on Phil - great drummer, contributed to MY
PERSONAL (I repeat, my personal . . . back off!) favorite
Genesis era, which lasted from Selling England By The Pound
through to Duke, made a cracking first solo album, nearly
made a good follow-up, did some nice work with Brand X and
Gabriel and then got old, began to suck and decided he'd
earned the right to cash in.

Still, doesn't make him the antichrist - he's simply the
latest in a VERY long line.

As for the music in ads argument, with your permission, I'm
going to "bludge" on that one. Thanks for giving me the get-
out word Dunks!

Tin hat on . . .

Happy new year all



Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:54:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Brown <>
Subject: Making little green apples in The Shed?
Message-ID: <>

>From Digest #8-4:
<<Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 06:54:20
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: save it for later ...>>

When I read Dunks' subject line I thought, hot diggity, he's got a Ranking
Roger update in store for us!
Imagine my disappointment.  Well if Dunks won't follow through, then I *will*.

To Rog!:

About the Schneider/Partridge collaboration.. At Mr. Hanks' very fine XTC
club, I read that Mr. Schneider would soon be traveling to Swindontown to
record with Andy.  True or..?  Perspiring minds want to know.

I'm rather curious myself!

Debora Brown

--Thanks for the XTC disc, Moley, luv.. what a nice surprise. ;o)
And hello, Virginia!


Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:30:38 -0600
From: "Toby Thomas" <>
Subject: Eric Hesson And Dave Gregory
Message-ID: <004001c19b75$b9ff9be0$fe21c1cf@silvermoon>
Organization: Prodigy Internet

Eric Hesson has a new CD available called BACKSEAT. Dave Gregory plays
guitar on 4 or 5 tracks (and melletron). Snappy Brit pop from the heart of
Texas... imagine that! Eric has participated on two of my Medicine Park
releases and is a great guy. Check it out at


Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:18:45 -0600
From: "Joe Funk" <>
Subject: Gentle Genesis
Message-ID: <003c01c19b7c$6efb56a0$8caa343f@user>

From: Aaron Pastula <>

>>Kerry Minnear was *not* the vocalist...he was the
>>outrageously talented

>Kerry and Derek Schulman were *both* vocalists in
>Gentle Giant, with Kerry taking about 40% of the lead
>voice work on the albums, I'm guessing.  In concert,
>though, his voice was too soft to be effectively
>amplified on stage, so the band would either focus
>more on Derek's material or let him sing the Kerry
>parts live.

That's not exactly true.  It's just that Kerry's songs were
of the quieter variety, and were not played live as often.
He did *sing* on tour - his unmistakeable harmonies
are evident on their live recording -"Playing the Fool",
particularly on "Knots" and "On Reflection", two of the
finest examples of modern madrigal & fugue, respectively!!!

>But the author of the above comment is certainly
>correct in one aspect -- that Gentle Giant is
>fantastic, and I would go so far as to say they are
>without a doubt the best progressive rock band ever.
>Seriously, if you haven't heard them, check them out;
>even if you think you don't like prog, you'll be
>amazed at how inviting their music can be despite its

Agreed!!  Their combination of rock and classical
music, with medieveal overtures is unmatched...

Wicked!! EH? Nudge-Nudge.. Nod-Nod..  Wink-Wink......

                 SAY NO MORE!!!

And I do believe that Andy listened to a bit of Gentle Giant..
"Rocket", from 'The Bull With the Golden Guts", has an
unmistakable GG-like keyboard passage...

From: Todd Bernhardt <>

>When PG left, they went back to what they were comfortable with
>... and began to atrophy. TotT is a wonderful, lush album, by far the
>best of the post-PG albums. But there was precious little growth
>after that -- W&W, and even "And Then There Were Three," are
>pretty much retreads of the TotT format.

Don't get me started on Genesis..
I have to disagree with you about W&W (Wind & Wuthering)...  I
think this is a wonderful album, particularly "Blood on the Rooftops"..
It is not a retread of ATOTT, and would have been even better if
they had used more of Steve Hackett's material..  His guitar playing
is brilliant throughout this album, and his songwriting superb!!
Unfortunetly, he left after this album, which is significant in the major
change to Genesis..  Gone were the classical overtones and the
ghostly guitar playing of Hackett..  ATTWT is a credible album,
but you could see they were changing directions, i.e. - "Follow You,
Follow Me"...  As Steve said on the "Genesis Songbook" DVD:
"They were moving into songs that were more about the mating
ritual.."  Very concise, Steve...

That's all for now...



Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:13:01 -0500
From: MollyFa <>
Subject: A Couple of Things I've Noticed
Message-ID: <>
Organization: AT&T Worldnet

I've noticed that quite a few people in here are bashing poor Phil
Collins, and as a fan of his I don't like it.  But of course, everyone
has a right to their own opinions.  Mine is that Phil Collins bashing
isn't in my game plan.  :)
I've also noticed that next year will be Andy Partridge's 50th
birthday.  When I thought about this I almost fell over.  I don't know
why, but this just put me in shock.  I know it's over a year off, but I
think we should do something special to celebrate his 50th b'day.  :)


XTC Song of the Moment: "Pink Thing"
Non-XTC Song of the Moment: "Pilot of the Airwaves" - Charlie Dore


Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:14:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Anthony <>
Subject: Elvis Costello's Top 500
Message-ID: <>

Thank you, Jim Smart (Digest 8-5), for the link to
Elvis Costello's 500-best-albums-of-all-time list.

Before I go off on a rant and forget, here's the link:

Even more than the list itself, I enjoyed his essay,
in which he sets aside his Elvis persona and writes as
plain old Declan: a smart, funny guy who loves music
and articulates his passion well.

Famous people have good reason to keep the likes of
you and me at bay, of course. Our demands are taxing,
and some of us (the percentage varies with the phases
of the moon) are dangerous loonies. So we will rarely
have the pleasure of seeing a favorite famous person
relax and let his hair down. They protect themselves
with personae as much as with guards and walls.

(What was Groucho like when he was just being Julius?)

As did many of you, I played a microscopic role in
making Elvis Costello successful and rich. He may not
be on my Top 10 or even Top 100 list, but that's not a
slight on my part; after all, he didn't even make his
own Top 500. I like him and his music enough to be
interested in what he likes and admires. I like his
inclusion of Eminem, but more than that, I like his
somewhat defensive explanation of that pick, in which
he likens the best of Mr. Mathers' humor to the best
of *The Simpsons* -- then adds the additional
explanation that he means that as the highest

I'm surprised to see no Zappa, especially since he
obviously likes Captain Beefheart. I'm sorry to see no
Genesis, especially the early '70s Genesis it's okay
to admit liking here on Chalkhills. I'm surprised to
see no Red Hot Chili Peppers -- the best practitioners
of a sadly unfashionable genre, mainstream hard rock,
in the '90s.

There are funny guys on Costello's list, especially
Nick Lowe, but I'm sorry he made the choice to leave
comedy off. He gave an odd reason: It's too hard to
pick the best stuff. Why is it harder to pick the best
comedy than it is to pick the best music? He does well
to name Richard Pryor. I'd rank Bill Cosby ahead of
Bill Hicks, and I'd rank George Carlin ahead of
everybody. Is Carlin too American for overseas tastes?

I'm surprised to see no Talking Heads, Chet Atkins,
George Harrison (other than ...), or another
Chalkhills favorite, Joe Jackson.

And like Jim Smart, I can't account for the lack of
XTC. An oversight, clearly. Elvis Costello does like
Ruben Blades enough to include him, and Ruben Blades
likes XTC enough to cover "The Man Who Sailed Around
His Soul" on *A Testimonial Dinner*.

Ryan Anthony

An independent Internet content provider


Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:58:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Jackson <>
Subject: resolving contradictions
Message-ID: <>

Thought I'd weigh in on a couple of issues and respectfully ask a
couple of questions:

1) Is it too complicated for a bloke like me to make CDRW copies of
331/3 vinyl?

2) Anyone remember Chapman/Whitney/Streetwalkers/Family? Ever seen it
on CD?

RE: Phil:

Certainly, it was uncanny how Phil's voice complimented PGs. It seemed
harder in the old days to distinguish them sometimes. I 'm told the
latest Genesis album with remaining cast ( I think) Rutherford and
Phillips is an abortion that lived. Sure would like to hear something
new from Peter Gabriel about right now.

Phil got on board and rode the gravy train pretty well, I can't see
faulting anyone who can... whether music, art or garbage removal.

As for those anti-commercialistic romantics and purists who think an
abomination is hearing Elvis Costello or Roxy muzac in their local
Safeway ...get over it!

Did anyone ever float up "Wrapped in Grey" as a helpful XTC song to
think about following 9/11/01?

thanks...I really enjoy this list.



Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:36:19 EST
Message-ID: <>

Talk about great customer service--

I wanted to thank Weatherbox, Ltd. for sending out The Big Express. I had
ordered it but was sent English Settlement by accident. They sent it out
gratis and let me keep English Settlement! Great service and much appreciated.

How many of these things did Andy and Colin sign in advance (or do they do it
in bulk as they received orders like the Dave Davies website)? Anyone have a
clue? I appreciate the extra touch of customer service and their time in
doing so.

A pity that more artists aren't doing this (most charge extra) although Dave
Davies and John Hiatt both signed their most recent discs free of charge if
you ordered through their website (yes, I know, they get to keep the diff
between wholesale price and retail so in a sense they do get paid).



Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:24:45 +0100
Subject: Re: Steve Ward
Message-ID: <3C416E7D.13315.222455@localhost>

> From: Phil Corless <>
> Subject: 2001 Faves
> Message-ID: <>
> Here's another list of favorite CDs of 2001 (maybe some are from
> another year, but I only discovered them recently, yadda yadda):
> In no particular order......
> 1.  Steve Ward - Opening Night

I can also recommend Cherry Twisters' "At Home With Cherry Twister",
of whom Steve Ward is front man. Beatlely pop with harmonies. Those in
Jamie Lowes' CD of the Month club will be hearing of Cherry Twister
when it gets to my turn......


Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:35:29 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: The DB's
Message-ID: <>

on 1/11/02 6:27 PM, Ben (not <> at
<>) wrote:

> Gang,
> Could someone tell me (off list) about The dBs?  I just picked up Chris
> Stamey's "Fireworks" in the $4.99 bin at Strawberries, and I love it.  So
> what's up?
> -Ben

  I'd be glad to tell you on list about The DB's, since I'd recommend them
to anybody who enjoys good power pop with intelligent lyrics. (Sound like
anyone we know?)Their third album, Like This, is their best IMO, but Chris
Stamey is only on the first two, though I'd recommend the second album
Repercussions a very close second. All four of their albums are well worth
picking up, however. The last album, The Sound Of Music is their most
uneven, but only in comparison to the rest of their work, it's a bit more of
a tossed-off rock bash that could have used a bit more work.
  Chris Stamey also has a couple of other albums that came out in the 80's,
It's Alright from the mid-80's(roughly, I haven't pulled out my vinyl copy
in a while), which compares favorably to the DB's, an earlier album from
around '82-83 called It's A Wonderful Life that's somewhat uneven, and a
Xmas EP that I haven't heard a note of from around the same period that's
probably long since out of print. He also did a low-key country-rockish
album with Peter Holsapple under both their names in the early 90's called
Maverick that's well-written and performed but low-key, it probably won't
grab you immediately but it rewards repeated listening. Happy hunting!
  I was fortunate enough to see The DB's live twice, both times after Stamey
left the band. The first time was just after Like This came out, at The Rat
in Boston(those were the days, I was hanging with local critic and XTC fan
Brett Milano a lot, and he got me into all these shows free. Haven't been in
touch with him since around '88 unfortunately), at which they encored with a
couple of rather off-the-wall covers: "Hot Smoke And Sassafras" by The
Bubble Puppy(obscure late 60's one hit wonder) and "All Night Long" by
Lionel Ritchie. The joke was they did the latter as a straight ahead rock
song, with a straight face, and it actually worked. The other time was in
Montreal in early '88 opening for Squeeze, their last gasp before they broke
up. Besides the obligatory originals from their four albums(with emphasis on
their somewhat dodgier last album, unfortunately) they covered a song they
said was from The Kinks Great Lost Kinks album; I believe it was "Big Black
Smoke," but it was one I was unfamiliar with at the time.

"When daybreak came we were zooming through New Jersey with the great cloud
of Metropolitan New York rising before us in the snowy distance.  Dean had a
sweater wrapped around his ears to keep warm.  He said we were a band of
Arabs coming to blow up New York."---Jack Kerouac, in "On the Road"


Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:17:51 -0500
From: "Michael Versaci" <>
Subject: Advice From Kinks Fans, Please
Message-ID: <000001c19c77$c28f7f70$d900a8c0@atl430nb>


I have been enjoying (beyond my own expectations) some of the mid-sixties
Kinks records.  I find their lack of polish less and less of an issue as the
songs grow on me, almost part of their charm, so to speak.  I have "Muswell
Hillbillies," "The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society," "Face
to Face" and a CD-R of "The Kinks - Great & Lost."  I also remember once
really liking "Misfits" (which I think is mid-seventies) although I no
longer have access to that one.

What other Kinks records should I be looking out for?

Michael Versaci

James, are you still with us?


Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:02:51 +0100 (CET)
From: Martin van Rappard <>
Subject: 2001 Faves, dBs
Message-ID: <>

Back at Chalkhills Anonymous (everyone unisono: "Welcome back
Mart!")...some addictions are (thankfully) hard to shake off.

Anyway, onwards ho! Ben Gott inquired about the dBs. Since I suspect their
jangly R.E.M.-style (one of the members, Jefferson Holt, was an  unofficial
fifth R.E.M. touring member for a while) pop would appeal to more people
on the list, I'd  thought I'd post my thought(s) here: get the compilation
Stands For  Decibels/Repercussion, and you've got everything you need -
all their other stuff is ok, but really kind of same-ish and it lacks the
energy of their first two (I think these were also compiled on one disc
under the title Neverland). "Quirky" is a word that comes to mind to
describe the dBs (insert sound of Martin being savagely flogged by other
Chalkhillians here).

2001 faves that I haven't seen mentioned (yet):
Unwound - Leaves Turn Inside You
Mogwai - Rock Action
Fennesz - Endless Summer
Fugazi - The Argument
Pixies - Complete B-sides
Aphex Twin - Drukqs
and of course all the XTC remasters...Drums & Wires as it was meant to be.



Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:32:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Ira Lieman <>
Subject: What the world needs now ...
Message-ID: <>

Hey Chalkpeople...

Remember a few weeks ago with all the hubbub about "respectable artists
selling out" and appearing in GAP ads? Someone (forgot who) said that Aimee
Mann had been approached by the GAP and declined to appear singing "Give A
Little Bit" because she presumably thought it was a sellout-type move. (I was
the one that thought Liz Phair was Sheryl Crow. Shame on moi.)

Well, from today's New York Times (free account required):

Calvin Klein is using the Bacharach song "What The World Needs Now is Love"
... featuring the image of Christy Turlington and ... "The spot ends on a
partial rendition of the song by the recording artist Aimee Mann." From what
I gather, the Aimee Mann version of the song will be the constant in any
future advertising, as Calvin Klein himself asked Aimee Mann to record the
song for the TV ad.

ObXTC Content: My son (will turn 3 next Tuesday) really likes "Stupidly
Happy." I put it on driving him to preschool and he was moving his head back
and forth in time to the music. It was really cool. :)

-ira, waiting till their boat goes down.


Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:26:06 -0500
From: Tony Picco <>
Subject: Re: Copyright, Beatles, etc...
Message-ID: <>

> But hey, wait a minute. Aren't we all forgetting that our dear Macca bought
> out the rights to the music of the late great Buddy Holly?
> So I guess it's a chain reaction........

If I remember correctly, he bought them from Buddy Holly's widow at a
considerable sum 'cause she wasn't doing well financially... It ain't quite
the same as Michael Jackson's purchase...  (Even if he did 'make' Denny
Laine do a Buddy Holly covers LP...)

tony picco


Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:12:33 +0000
From: The Worrier Queen <>
Subject: Express yourself
Message-ID: <>

Big Express day is coming:

something new every day.

Her Improper Majesty Jayne The Worrier Queen
powered by the beating of hearts


Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:46:03 -0800 (PST)
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Coal of Many Colours
Message-ID: <>


You can get yer box set in any colour you like as long as it's black.

Word is that "A Coat of Many Cupboards" will be released in the
U.K. on February 25.  Other than what our own hapless goober, Harrison
Sherwood, has told us, that's all I really know.

	-- John


Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:05:05 +1100
From: "Iain Murray" <>
Subject: 2001 Albums (the year, not the number of albums)
Message-ID: <004201c19db4$7d691f80$bc6e36cb@dmps>

> From:
> Subject: The Consequences of Love and a bit of XTC thrown in for good
> measure
> > > Top 50 Albums of 2001 according to my sorry ass:
> I must be getting old as I had a hard time coming up with more than 10!

Wow, you got 10? My list of 10 would be mostly albums that I only picked up
on in 2001, but were released much earlier.

What the hell - here it is (in decidedly particular order):

1.  "The Days In Between" - Blue Rodeo (2000)
2.  "Element Of Light" - Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians (1986)
3.  "Two Against Nature" - Steely Dan (2000)
4.  "Nothing But A Dream" - Paul Kelly (2001)
5.  "Ro Sham Bo" - The Grays (1994)
6.  "The Greatest Living Englishman" - Martin Newell (1993)
7.  "Isolation Drills" - Guided By Voices (2001)
8.  "Three" - John Butler Trio (2001)
9.  "Lorca" - Tim Buckley (1970 - how slow am I?)
10.  "Underwater Moonlight" - The Soft Boys (1980, reissued 2001)

....and an honourable mention to William Shatner's "The Transformed Man"
(1968) - basically because nobody else will give it one.



Date: 15 Jan 2002 06:26:54 -0800
From: Rodney E Griffith <>
Subject: Clear Waters
Message-ID: <>

The reputation of Roger Waters' ego has, I think, been confused with
the inflatable pig. A lot of people seem to buy it, no doubt
encouraged by the bad blood when Waters called it quits, but that
seems to be a pretty childish resentment that doesn't quite hold
when listening to his recent live album: his post-_Wall_ songwriting
holds up with a surprisingly intimate quality.

So the comparison to that unspeakably bad stadium rock group (cited
*way* too frequently as the worst-ever act on a major label for it not
to be mentioned here) is grossly inappropriate, especially since
Waters' most famous project was a *repudiation* of stadium rock. This
was courageous at a time when stadium "rock" had a stranglehold on
America. It wasn't as clear as punk's refusal of the mob that
bullied their way into rock, but Waters did his bit while others
drunkenly went through the motions.

The live concert system in America brings out the worst in people. The
Springer show atmosphere can only drown out the Brian Wilsons, Harry
Nilssons, and Andy Partridges (and for that matter, Beatles).


Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:48:52 -0800 (PST)
From: travis schulz <>
Subject: Richard Thompson
Message-ID: <>

Hi Chalkies....I have become a huge fanatic of Richard
Thompson and I am forever grateful to those who
recommended his music on the top ten of the year lists
posted here.  I know a lot of other XTC fans like his
stuff as well and I was just wondering if anyone might
email me with some recommendations from his Fairport
Convention days.  I wouldn't mind making a cd of the
essential songs before Richard left the group, or at
least buying a compilation somewhere.  Thankya!


Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:57:46 -0800 (PST)
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Best of 2001
Message-ID: <>

Well, I was a tad disappointed with 2001 as far as music goes.

But here's my list, such as it is.

Best releases of 2001:

David Mead: Mine and Yours
The Nines: Properties of Sound
Electric Light Orchestra: Zoom
P. Hux: Purgatory Falls
New Order: Get Ready
Judge Smith: Curly's Airships
Ed Alleyne-Johnson: Purple Electric Violin Concerto 2
Sam Phillips: Fan Dance
Mike Keneally: Wooden Smoke
Anton Barbeau: The Golden Boot (Antology Vol. 2)

Best Reissues in 2001:

Jethro Tull: Benefit
Sweet: Level Headed
New Musik: Warp
V/A: Nuggets II

And of course the XTC reissues.  (I thought I should mention those :-)

Last, and perhaps least, the highly anticipated but ultimately
forgettable releases of 2001:

Suzanne Vega: Songs in Red and Gray
The Verve Pipe: Underneath
Geggy Tah: Into The Oh
Blake Babies: God Bless the Blake Babies
Radiohead: Amnesiac
They Might Be Giants: Mink Car


	-- John


Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:34:35 -0500
From: Gary McBride <>
Subject: Commercial Potential...
Message-ID: <a05100302b86b4cfbd8ab@[]>

Listening to "I'd Like That" last night on my iPod, it conjured up
this quote from Steve Jobs regarding the new iMac.


I for one would support an Apple/XTC alliance (Apple Venus?) and I'm
guessing the TV ad royalties would probably dwarf the royalties
Andy/Colin actually made selling the album!

Anyone know Andy's platform of choice?


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