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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 8, Number 42

                  Saturday, 13 July 2002

Topics:

                      Re: slam dunks
               Goings-on with Barry Andrews
                   Hall of Fame points
                 TVT Mini-LP CD Re-Issues
                       Just curious
               What Do You Call That Noise?
                    Enter the X-sTatiC
                     Pick your plate
                  Photos - Wendy Wu (OT)
                 Something to consider...
                      life is good!!
                     Fred in my head
                  I Don't Wanna Be Here
                  susanna hoffs (NO XTC)
             Re: more regarding punk worries
       Regarding R&R Hall Of Fame & The Soft Boys.
        Lurker De-Lurks for Chalkhills Anniversary
                Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
                  Pucker up Andy & Colin

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:23:55 -0700
From: Matthew Weber <mweber@library.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: slam dunks
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711112141.02a76250@library.berkeley.edu>

At 6 Jul 2002 16:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Jim Smart <jimsmart1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >How come Death didn't take Bush or
> > Sharon or Le Pen?
>
>What a spectacularly inappropriate way to bring your
>biased world view and lack of respect for humans into
>a supposed tribute post to the late great John
>Entwistle.
>
>This is a new low.
>
>Jim

Well, whose world-view isn't biased?

I'm a lot more bothered by the equation of GW Bush with Le Pen than I am
with any bias inherent in the original comment; and a little bewildered at
the idea that somehow Death operates on a quota basis.

Matthew Weber
Curatorial Assistant
Music Library
University of California, Berkeley

Every man's sword was against his fellow.
         The Holy Bible (The Old Testament):  _The First Book of Samuel_,
chapter 14, verse 20

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:31:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tracy Angelina <susperia5@yahoo.com>
Subject: Goings-on with Barry Andrews
Message-ID: <20020711183124.23819.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com>

Hullo

This letter from Barry Andrews was recently posted for all to see on
the Shriekback Digital Conspiracy mailing list.  I thought it might be
of interest to all you Barry fans here.

       -------

WorkinprogTwo

We have progress and work and many diversions -most welcome some just
a pain. (World Cup early morning boozing and shouting taking up
disproportionate wodges of time)

We get three tunes done proper in studio mixed by the illustrious
Kenny Jones (most famous for his work with the Smiths)  -courtesy of
sales and contributions thru the site -thank yez all..

The three are:

1:`More Heat than Light' (which is fiercely hooligan and, as Vaughan
Williams once said of his 5th(?) Symphony -`I don't know if I like it
but it's what I meant'

2: `God's Gardenias'  mellow, ravishing BNM'ish

3: Baby Lions -ludicrous, operatic, taut and sinewy

So -Far So Good, we have discovered that recording at home and mixing
in a studio is on the whole the way to go.

The next step is to see what interest can be drummed up -record
companies- any kind of funding -to finish the rest of the album.

Also- keeping my hand in -I'm collabrating with old chum Jeff Shapiro
on a dancey scrunchy sort of project as yet unnamed. It's sounding
rather fine I must say. May well be offering some samples on the site
soon.

In the meantime, and with a view to generating more income and
keeping working I'm recording a piano/vocal album at home which will
feature some old faves as well as new tunes and some curiosities from
a few years back which never saw the light of day.

(present track list:

This Big Hush
God's Gardenias
Licking Honey from a Razor
Faded Flowers
Contract Song
Queen's Beast
Going Equipped
Sunday Night at Home.
Incredulous
Awake too long)

I'm also trying some improvised stuff with a view to Doing It Live.
The difficulty of playing and singing alone is considerable when one
is used to a rhythm section or a welter of sequencers  but, when I
get it right, I fairly glow with a new self-contained dignity (and a
grudging admiration for Elton John). The Piano is a wonderful thing
and my first love, of course.  It kind of reminds me what it used to
be like playing in a pub in Swindon (stressful fun). Part of the
aesthetic is No Overdubs.This minimalist beast should be ready to go
in the next couple of weeks I hope. Please do look out for it on the
site.

Thanks for tuning in you splendid folk..

Till Victory

BA

Hope this put a smile on your faces.

Peace,
Angelina

Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard.  Be evil.
Shriekback Digital Conspiracy

	[ Visit http://www.shriekback.com/ for more info. ]

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Eby <jeffaeb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hall of Fame points
Message-ID: <20020711190244.78546.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com>

1. Wasn't XTC first release, 3-d ep, released in 1977?

2. If XTC were inducted next year based on the 25 year
rule, would Dave be recognized?

3. I also wonder if XTC are famous enough to make the
hall of 'fame.'  Can anyone think of other inductees
that weren't so much famous as they were obscurely
influential?

4. I still wish it would happen, I figure if the
Talking Heads could reunite for last years ceremony,
XTC could give it go too for such an honor.

=====
That which does not kill me can only make me whinier

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:25:06 -0500
From: "Toby Thomas" <Moonsilver@prodigy.net>
Subject: TVT Mini-LP CD Re-Issues
Message-ID: <001601c22910$b18b30e0$28468942@silvermoon>
Organization: Prodigy Internet

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the recent TVT 24-bit Digital
Remasters packaged in the Minaturized LP sleeve format are the EXACT same
thing released in Japan last year. As if the Japanese record compnay sent
TVT whatever stock was left over. Am I right???

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:40:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jackson <jydson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Just curious
Message-ID: <20020711204037.24808.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com>

What doya like better?

Transistor Blast or Coat of Many Cupboards?

Truly I've enjoyed them both , Transistor Blast moreso

Keep on chalkin,

jack

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:02:27 EDT
From: Hbsherwood@aol.com
Subject: What Do You Call That Noise?
Message-ID: <163.1082c7f9.2a5f6883@aol.com>

>From: strwbrry <strwbrry@tidepool.com>
>Subject: more regarding punk worries
>Message-ID: <3D27A3F7.9B500FEF@tidepool.com>
>
>radiosinmotion@iwon.com said:
>
>> I have heard crap like that before... Basically, it's punks who have
>> nothing better to do but criticize "new wave" because it made it more
>> popular than so called "punk" music did.
>>
>> If I remember correctly, Blondie, Ramones, Moder Lovers, Television,
>> Talking Heads were all the original punk bands.
>
>I think you've hit it by addressing the slam on new wave. Yet, although
>popularity has been an issue for the "alternative" crowd and the
>underground I don't think its the primary problem punks had with other
>modern music. "New wave" wasn't hard core, but what's worse is it shared
>punk's "new music" status... too close for comfort... and really much
>new wave would make punks puke.

History is just not as cut-and-dried as people who write about it would like
it to be. I think we all know this. To try to divide the history of the Punk
Seventies into discrete units (1976-77: Punk Purity. 1978-80: New Wave
Corruption.) is just the sort of lazy and ahistorical nonsense you might
expect from journalists who've failed to placate the Deadline Muse.

Some thoughts for the editor of "PUNK: The Definitive Record of a
Revolution," the book that started this thread:

1) Define "punk," please.

There are definitely two sides of the Atlantic on this question. American
Punk (which predated its British version) was always art-schoolish,
self-conscious, "postmodern," and decidedly apolitical -- characteristics we
associate with New Wave rather than punk. To try to associate the concept of
"purity" with American punk is just plain silly: the original movement that
came to be called "punk" couldn't have been more heterogeneous. It
encompasses acts as diverse as Pere Ubu, Television, Suicide, The Dictators
and Rocket from the Tombs, and arose in places as far apart as New York,
Cleveland, Akron, Detroit, Washington, DC, and LA. A movement that can
contain both the neurotic elegance of an early Talking Heads and the
go-to-hell stoopid fun of the Dictators can't possibly be concerned with
"purity," no matter how you define it. Who's "in" and who's "out" not only is
the wrong question; the very act of asking the question predicts you won't
understand the answer.

British punk arose out of much more specific sociopolitical circumstances.
It's quite easy to see its adherents concerning themselves with "purity,"
with questions of exclusivity. Nobody was particularly threatened by American
punks (there was just no *need* for it); their UK counterparts quickly
established a blind alley for themselves by the very act of exuding menace:
After the Sex Pistols, who the hell's "threatening" any more? (The Clash
found a way out of this cul-de-sac, but not many more did.) UK punk music was
made with a declared *purpose* -- the destruction, the negation, of history.
Contrastingly, American punk reveled in its very pointlessness -- compare "I
Wanna Be Sedated" to "I'm So Bored with the USA" and you'll get the idea. In
1977 in Britain, making music that acknowledged its own antecedents --
violating that "No Future" premise -- was decidedly against the grain. XTC,
after a couple of vain attempts at the prevalent UK punk rootlessness,
started to make records (with "Drums & Wires" and "Black Sea") that were
quite unashamed of their debts to the Kinks, the Beatles, bluebeat, and on
and on. Did this make some people angry? Apparently!

Clinton Heydlin's excellent book, "From the Velvets to the Voidoids: A
Pre-Punk History for a Post-Punk World," makes this point quite succinctly:

   An essential difference between British and American punk bands can
   be found in their respective views of rock & roll history. The
   British bands took a deliberately anti-intellectual stance,
   refuting any awareness of, or influence from, previous exponents
   of the form. The New York and Cleveland bands saw themselves as
   self-consciously drawing on and extending an existing tradition
   in American rock & roll.

He quotes Lenny Kaye, Patti Smith's guitarist: "There was a direct line from
the "Nuggets" groups to the Stooges, the Dolls, and the glitter bands: there
was an alternative recognized music scene... [but] the Velvet Underground
were certainly the most important band. They were the one group that proved
that you could scissor together the perverse side of art and the pop side of
rock & roll. After them, the Stooges and the MC5."

In other words, this division between punk and New Wave didn't happen on the
American side of the Atlantic. In the US, the division wasn't necessary.

2) Define "New Wave," please.

The premise that Punk existed first, and that only after the success of the
Sex Pistols did New Wave acts began to be heard, is demonstrably false.
George Gimarc's astonishingly thorough books, "Punk Diary: 1970-79" and
"Post-Punk Diary: 1980-82" (both of which are still in print, and which were
recommended to me by Andy Partridge himself) make it abundantly clear that
the two strands evolved in Britain side-by-side, and that in fact many bands
that later became classified as "New Wave" were fully formed and functional
well before the Pistols were a malevolent gleam in Malcolm MacLaren's eye.
(Not least among these punk precursors was, of course, XTC.)

That an accident of history caused these non-punk punks to get themselves
lumped in with "true" punks is no fault of their own.

"Purist" punks seem to have their own definition of New Wave, that seems to
involve blaming it for some transgression against their notions of integrity.
I prefer Lenny Kaye's more generous definition that it is the music that lies
along a continuum from the Velvet Underground, the Stooges, Glam, David
Bowie, T. Rex, on into Roxy Music, Brian Eno, and the New York Dolls. Sure,
many of these are claimed as punk influences as well, but I think the clear
difference between them is that New Wavers tended to be more *conscious* of
their place on that continuum, and willing to make art based on that
knowledge -- to play with the form, if you like. (And, after all, isn't that
a pretty fair definition of postmodernism itself?)

And finally, who's "in" and who's "out" on a list of post-Punk/New Wavers?
Who's "pure"? Who's "corrupt"?  Elvis Costello? The Pretenders? The Rezillos?
The Stranglers? Gang of Four? Graham Parker? The Vapors? The Cramps? The Soft
Boys? PIL? Wire? Echo & The Bunnymen? The Fall?

See how silly this exercise gets?

Harrison "We play the songs much too loud" Sherwood

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:17:41 +0000
From: "Daniel Barrow" <tobaccogiant@hotmail.com>
Subject: Enter the X-sTatiC
Message-ID: <F137VOYDWNYojnS41BX0000fd55@hotmail.com>

Ladies and Gentlemen.

May I annouce two very important pieces of news. Well, important for us,
anyway.

As many of you will no doubt be aware, there has been a concerted effort to
form a definitive XTC tribute band in England over the last year.

Well, that band, X-sTatiC, is now ready to go. We have a website, and we
have our FIRST GIG!

Yes, we will be rolling out those XTC tunes both old and new(ish) at

The Hope and Anchor, Upper Street,Islington, North London, UK

on Saturday 21st September 2002 @8pm.

Support hopefully from the Blondie Tribute, Eat to the Beat. It shoud cost
around a fiver.

Please, if you possibly can, support this event. It took a lot of pursuasion
to get the promoter to book us. I'd like to impress him with the number of
fans XTC really has!

Check out www.x-static.org to get band info news, our tumultous history,
hear our XTC demos and join our mailing list. We can then send you a flyer
which will get you money off your entrance fee.

We hope you will enjoy the show.

Dan Barrow
tobaccogiant@hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:19:19 -0500
From: "Jamie Lowe" <jamielowe@msn.com>
Subject: Pick your plate
Message-ID: <000901c2299e$836e2300$c1cc2a3f@unlpm>

Dear Chalkholders:

The Illinois Secretary of State; Jesse White (AKA)( Mr. DMV) is pleased to
inform me that I have been assigned the following vanity passenger plate:
NONSVCH    All I have to do is  forward a payment of  $94 within 45 days to
secure my selection.

They apologize if the license plate is not your first choice (GO 2). Due to
the popularity of the Special Plate program, many license plate combinations
have already been issued.  Too bad, because I was psyched for GO 2.
However,  NONSVCH was the popular favorite.

Thanks to all of you that offered many great suggestions!   The lot of which
is listed below for anyone else who may be considering such frivolous
things.

IN 4 JOE,  KING 4 A DAY, SGT ROCK, US B N US, SKYLARK ( if this hadn't been
a Buick  nameplate at one time it be mine), BLCK SEA,  BLK SEA 1, FUNK POP,
WASP STR (great for a yellow car) , WAKE UP (for those asleep at traffic
light rock), BLKSEA (or BLACK C), BIGEXPRS, MUMMER, O AND L,  DEAR GOD, (I
won't go there)  WAS A YES,  LEISURE, BIG DAY, PK THING, 25 OCLOCK, XTSEA,
(after my compilation of XTC inspired nautical tunes).

And in case you didn't know, according to "XTC Song Stories" the XTC album
Nonsvch was originally named "The last Balloon but was supplanted by
Nonsuch, after Henry the 8th's fabled and lost palace.   A village was
flattened to build Nonsuch Palace. Egos were flattened  to build  nonsuch
the album. "  In addition, Webster's definition is quite telling.... and
worth a look.

If you see a black BMW with the Illinois plate NONSVCH and a XTC sticker in
the window, flag us down and  we'll have a pint!

Happy Motoring,

Jamie Lowe

NP: Remastered GO 2.   I've always liked side one better.

NR: Lost in Music by Giles Smith formerly of The Cleaners from Venus and a
true XTC fan if there ever was one.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:28:33 +0100
From: Jason Witcher <JasonW@teletext.co.uk>
Subject: Photos - Wendy Wu (OT)
Message-ID: <32D4AD886C11D511955C00508BAD1C10060B833D@exchback.teletext.dom>

I've never heard of the Photos before but there was a band called Bang Bang
Machine in the early to mid 90s, from Evesham in Worcestershire, who
featured a guitarist called Steve Eagles. AFAIK they released two albums,
Eternal Happiness and  Amphibian, but their finest moment was their epic
debut single 'Geek Love', which made number 1 in John Peel's Festive 50 back
in '92 or '93. Either album is worth a spin, especially the first.
Jason

> From: "Tim Brooks" <bridgered@hotmail.com>
>
> Probably? more for UK chalksters- In 1980, I was heavily into a (what was
> then called New Wave) band from Worcestershire, England called the Photos.
> I loved (and still do) the Photos first (and only) self titled album. They
> were a foursome - female vocalist Wendy Wu, guitarist Steve Eagles,
> bassist Dave Sparrow, and drummer Oily Harrison (Who knows what their real
> names were?). Their first single, was called "I'm So Attractive" and last
> I believe "There's Always Work".
> ...
> Can any of you give me any info on what ever happened to the Photos or any
> of the members of the band? Or even just confirmation that I am not the
> only one to remember this fine band Thanks.  Tim

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:18:07 -0400
From: BessInMoonlight@aol.com
Subject: Something to consider...
Message-ID: <48DC371F.6F1B2F54.91470645@aol.com>

Hey everyone,

I just saw "The Full Monty" on Broadway and hardly recommend it to you
all. Somehow it reminded me of XTC! There was one song called "Scraped" that
caused "Blue Overall" to spring to mind. All in all, it had a slightly XTCy
feel to it. So, maybe you all should try it =)

B

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:45:03 -0400
From: "Danny Phipps" <phipps@schoollink.net>
Subject: life is good!!
Message-ID: <web-24357646@schoollink.net>

hello chalkies, all! ~

wanted to inform you lot that i just got a fresh copy of
becki digregorio's brand new cd "god's empty chair" in the
mail today (personalized, no less!! -- thanks becki!) and
it is nothing short of an absolute STUNNER!  she has once
hit the mark with an outing that continues to show her
personal growth in the music field where she seems to feel
so at ease.  bless her heart!!  this girl is so fucking
talented, it's downright scary.  i highly recommend that
everyone who visits this mailing list seek out becki's disc
at <ziglain@earthlink.net> as you will NOT be disappointed!
 it stokes me no end to know that one of our own has so far
shown us just what an amazing influence our swindon boys
have had on her own personal music.  dave gregory's
contributions to this new disc are a nice personal touch as
well...not overshadowing becki's compositions, but rather
nicely enhancing them (which is dave's specialty anyway).
 just for the record, i'm not associated with becki's music
company or anything like that -- i'm just a friend of hers
who simply cannot say enough when it comes to high praise
for such a talented soul.  she is so unique and "out
there," yet her compositions on this new album (like that
of her previous work, "seven worthies...of the bamboo
grove") are so *listener-friendly.*  you cannot go wrong
with becki!  you've done it again, my girl!  happy days are
(indeed) here again!!

***don't you know your love makes me smile?****

/danny phipps

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:12:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Bernhardt <beat_town@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fred in my head
Message-ID: <20020712221200.11102.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi:

So, the other day, I come home and there's this CD that's come in the mail
from this Mitch Friedman guy, and it's called "Fred."

Why is the name "Fred" inherently funny? I don't know, it just is. Mitch's
music and lyrics are funny, too. Mitch isn't afraid to be kooky, but he's
thoughtful, too. Next to a song like "I Wish I Was a Kid Again" (music
written by some guy named Andy Partridge, apparently), with such lyrics as:

I want to be a boy again
To not have to act coy again
To wear clothes by Rob Roy again
To hear Grandma say "Oy!" again...

are such poetic lyrics as these, from "Brother Nature" (which features
really cool playing by some guy named Dave Gregory):

Branches of the trees are veins
That flow with water
>From another time
Rivers are resilient
Clouds are proud
Grass is gregarious
Nature's jigsaw puzzle
Patchwork fields the heavens'
Checkerboard in mime
Wind is the invisible game piece
Humans are notorious
For cheating

Mitch isn't afraid of wearing his musical influences on his sleeve: (lots
of) XTC (not that there's anything wrong with that), Ray Davies, Richard
Thompson, Frank Zappa, and Burt Bacharach all make an appearance, and even
Nelson Riddle shows his face now and then. Mitch mixes it all up and
delivers it with a resolutely quirky and playful voice and attitude -- you
end up smiling enough that the hooks don't hurt, even though they end up
sinking in deep ... today at work, I found myself walking around singing
Mitch's tender love ballad, "Laura":

Laura, Laura
You're a beautiful girl
 From the outside right down to the core-a
Laura, Laura
Half a year, but the time of my life...

If you like music that isn't afraid to be different, check "Fred" out. The
liner notes say you can get it at http://www.cdbaby.com/mitchfriedman. Last
time I checked, Mitch's previous CD ("The Importance of Sauce") was the only
one there, but something tells me that'll change soon.

-Todd

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:36:32 -0700
From: "Craig Vreeken" <vreeken@citlink.net>
Subject: I Don't Wanna Be Here
Message-ID: <NBBBKECCDCIDMJNEPBMGOEDBCDAA.vreeken@citlink.net>

It is with some trepidation that I post that I have covered "I Don't Want To
Be Here" by Andy Partridge on my own, strictly amateur CD. The CD has 15
songs, mostly originals, but a few covers, including a Todd Rundgren song in
addition to Andy's. The Andy Partridge song was really difficult for me to
do, especially the vocals. I re-recorded them several times, finally ending
up with a Ken Nordine meets William Shatner approach. It's very different
than Andy's demo version. I really love the song and was disappointed that
it didn't get recorded for Apple Venus or Wasp Star, so decided to try it
myself. The CD is mostly myself, with some help from a few of my friends
here in Sacramento on guitar and some other instruments (nobody famous).
I'm not selling the CD, just burning copies for my friends, but if anyone on
the list is really interested, please email me at vreeken@citlink.net and I
will send you one if you reimburse me the postage.

I was aware of an XTC tribute CD a few years back but haven't heard of
anything recently. If there is another in the works I would like to
contribute this song.

Craig Vreeken
http://www.citlink.net/~javalee/
http://www.vreekenfamily.org

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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:28:36 +0000
From: "*Hobbes *" <hazchem25@hotmail.com>
Subject: susanna hoffs (NO XTC)
Message-ID: <F253Zlp1u0VbO14xcTR0000b7ac@hotmail.com>

Ben Gott asked:

>P.S.  A quick search of "Susanna Hoffs" over at CDNow turns up her
>1996 eponymous album, which features appearances by Bill Botrell, Jon
>Brion, Lenny Castro, Jason Falkner, Mick Fleetwood, Kevin Gilbert,
>Larry Klein, and engineering and production by Jack Joseph Puig!  Has
>anyone heard this?  Is it any good?

For my money, it's a gem of underrated little jangle pop album, and was a
pleasant surprise upon its release.  How much enjoyment you'll get from it
probably depends on if you like Susanna's chirpy Rocket J. Squirrel voice
(always a guilty pleasure for me).  The backing for the songs is understated
and thoughtful, adding strength to the tracks her vocals may lack.  The
songs have a loose, laid-back feeling, and feature much stronger songwriting
than you'd expect.

Highlights for me are:  the inspired lazy-summer cover of the Lightning
Seeds' 'All I Want'; and the lead-off track 'Beekeeper's Blues' which sounds
like it's wandered across from an Aimee Mann album, which explains the
album's failure on the charts - few people cared about Aimee at the time
either.  Given the fact it wasn't the comeback she was hoping for, and is
now 6 years old, you should have no problem picking it up cheap.

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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:17:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "" <radiosinmotion@iwon.com>
Subject: Re: more regarding punk worries
Message-ID: <20020713051729.136E227C5F@email.iwon.com>

"BTW I wouldn't put bands like Talking Heads on a punk list."

Actually, that is what they said on an interview. They explained how
bands like their's were considered punk early on, and that somehow,
punk was hijacked by a style/sound/image which is everything punk was
supposed to be against...

At any rate, maybe I'm old, but whether it is punk, new wave, pop,
metal, country, disco, r&b, rap, or whatever other kind of music, we
made it better in the 80's than we do now...

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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:33:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "" <radiosinmotion@iwon.com>
Subject: Regarding R&R Hall Of Fame & The Soft Boys.
Message-ID: <20020713053322.8B6B527C5F@email.iwon.com>

A few of you have asked me about XTC on the R&R Hall Of Fame. You know
just as much as I do about the situation. I was just on CDNOW.com and
while looking for a Squeeze, Jam and Spizzenergi album I ran into the
artical somewhere.

I was just suprised to find out that XTC were even considered. Maybe
we are in some alternet universe where good bands get on the R&R Hall
Of Fame?

Oh, any Soft Boys Fans out there? They are actually releasing a new
album in a few months after over 20 years!!!

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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:40:44 -0700
From: <herne@earthlink.net>
Subject: Lurker De-Lurks for Chalkhills Anniversary
Message-ID: <BEEHKOKLBOMPDAONEOGICECHGPAA.herne@earthlink.net>

Greetings everyone,

It's me.  Ken aka Herne the Hunter.  I haven't posted in, geez maybe two
years.  Maybe longer.  I don't know.  The last time I was around I started a
tiff by saying that Peter Green Fleetwood Mac was overrated.  No wait, I
remember, it was during the great Napster debate.  That was when I fell
away.  I don't know if anyone around here even remembers that I was ever
here.  I faded into lurk mode but I feel compelled to get back in swim..or
is it swing?   In fact, more than compelled.    Apologies as usual for all
run-ons, fragments, spelling errors, etc. etc..

Wow.  Suddenly music is coming out from my computer.  I forgot that I was
downloading "Community Worker Breakdown."
So these are The Drunken Jam Sessions.  Why is it I haven't gotten around to
listening to these before?

I have so many things  to talk about I don't know where to begin.  It's cool
to see all the old people are still around.  Even AMANDA!!  Yeah Amanda!!!!
And with the great Dave updates too.

Okay.  First things first.  This month marks my sixth(!) anniversary on the
internet.  When I got online, the first thing I looked for was XTC info.
And it wasn't long before I landed here.  Everyone was arguing about NONSUCH
and whether or not "Bungalow" deserved to exist.  I was working as a
corporate drone at a movie studio that shall remain nameless and working on
several bad indie films.  And at the time I don't believe that I really hung
out with anyone that listened to XTC, or any of the music I liked in
general.  Between then and now so much has changed.  But all that will be
come evident in posts to come assuming I don't fall back into re-lurk.  The
psychic toll of my two job having lifestyle makes keeping up with email a
bit rough.

Before I go on...a thanks to everyone on this list for all the great posts,
info and insights.  And the best part is how in a sense, or more than just
in a sense, our list has had an effect on the band itself.  The fact that
TVT would post kiss ass notes to us on occasion was proof of that.  And of
course, Harrison achieving the ultimate of getting to write the liner notes
for COMC.  Finally, Extra kudos to Mr. Relph of course for running the show.
If I ever get up in John's neck o' the woods, a drink is on me.

Though I traded a couple of emails a few years back, I have never met anyone
on this list in person.  It is my sincere hope that will change in the near
future.  Perhaps I can spearhead the never successful attempt to have a Los
Angeles area get together.  Maybe at some suitably English place like the
King's Head in Santa Monica or something.  I wish I could be at the UK
gathering.  Have fun everybody.

As for COAT OF MANY CUPBOARDS, it was a great relief to finally get the
Meeting Place B-sides on CD after fifteen/sixteen years.  Just in time to
make my friend an XTC mix tape.  This girl is a challenge. While she grew up
with punk rock, she has now become obsessed with acoustic bluesy stuff.  So
what songs to choose for the mix there?  Any ideas?  She's very political so
I guess I can throw a few political songs on there like "Terrorism."

I really enjoyed Harrison's essay in the set.  I was surprised to find that
it caused some vitriol in these parts.  Then again, maybe I'm not so
surprised.  This list has got to be one of the most flame-y lists on earth.
Too many musicians and writers around here I guess.  Though I guess I'm
fingering myself with that statement.

Before I go I have a cool XTC find story. I work at Aron's Records in Los
Angeles.  One day somebody traded in a box of singles which included, to my
shock, a pile of those legendary multi-colored flexi-discs from Flexipop.
One of which was of course XTC's very own The Colonel's renditions of
"Looking For Footprints" and "Too Many Cooks In The Kitchen."  Holy crap!  I
couldn't believe it.  I've been a fan forever and I've been to tons of
stores and I've never even seen one of these before except on Chalkhills.
It's cherry red.  Very "flex-y" to say the least.  It's like a thin crepe or
something.  Needless to say I snagged it.  That should make up for Japanese
live EP that I let slip through my fingers a few months back.!
That's all for now.  Again guys...thanks for the past six years.  Here's to
the future.

Cheers,

Ken

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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:10:39 EDT
From: Stroo@aol.com
Subject: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Message-ID: <47.1fce2848.2a619cef@aol.com>

For information on who gets inducted, visit the FAQ on their web site.

http://www.rockhall.com/museum/visitor.asp?id=654

Bob

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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:53:01 EDT
From: WTDK@aol.com
Subject: Pucker up Andy & Colin
Message-ID: <48.e4ded08.2a61b4ed@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/11/02 11:51:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes:

> Forgive my cynicism, but wouldn't XTC have to be famous before being
> eligible?

No, it's become the rock n' roll how many asses have I kissed contest. Andy
and Colin had better pucker up if they want to participate. Actually, the sad
fact is that Dave wouldn't be eligible to be included because he wasn't an
original member of the band (the same thing happened to members of The Lovin'
Spoonful).

Comments from becki--

Bob Grossweiner and Jane Cohen (<radiosinmotion@iwon.com>) posted in the
last digest that xtc is eligible and has a chance to be nominated into the
rock hall of fame.  might i ask: is there anything that we can do to somehow
"influence" the powers-that-be to make this happen??

--becki digregorio

I believe ( I could be wrong here) the ballots are cast by industry folks,
critics and the like. Ozzy Osborne stated he wasn't all that excited to the
in the RNRHOF because it wasn't due to any input from his fans.

By the way, I have becki's last album and it's quite good. I also plan on
purchasing the new one when it's avaiable. If you'd like to try something
new check it out!

Wayne

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