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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 8, Number 40

                  Saturday, 6 July 2002


                Fate of the Gilmore Girls
                    XTC SOLD PUNK OUT!
          transistor vs. coat of many cupboards?
                      good ol' days
              XTC Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame!
           Re: GG & music (little XTC content)
                   Plagiarism (NO XTC)
                    C'est la guerre...
                A new pink thing to love!
                       Roger, Wilco
            *Brushes herself off her computer*
                 Nyaaaaah! Wise guy, huh?
              Too Many Discs in the Kitchen
                    Old Tubes For New!
                      The Gathering
                  The Spys were not XTC


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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:50:35 -0400
From: DMiner <>
Subject: Fate of the Gilmore Girls
Message-ID: <a05100302b9469a038354@[]>

In digest #8-39, Ryan Anthony finally discovered Gilmore Girls and
numbered this among his observations:

>  it's in dire peril of cancellation.

My how eight months can make a difference.

With the WB losing their Tuesday night anchor Buffy the Vampire
Slayer to UPN, they decided to counter program with Gilmore Girls.
And get this, the ratings went up! The show is pulling in BETTER
ratings than dear departed Buffy. The WB is so high on this renewed
interest in the program that they are scheduling repeats of the first
season in prime time this fall as "Gilmore Girls: Beginnings" or some
such silly name.

Now if only they would move the show out of Tuesday night, where a
horde quality TV shows were scheduled last year. And I still choose
to watch Buffy, which unfortunately has yet to use any XTC tunes.

= Derek =


Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:26:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "" <>
Message-ID: <>

"the most disturbing part comes near the end in a part where everyone
is discussing "new wave." In it, there are several vitriolic diatribes
about how these new wave bands are shit, etc etc and they cite XTC and
the Cars as the most frequent contributors to the distruction of
punk's good name."

I have heard crap like that before... Basically, it's punks who have
nothing better to do but criticize "new wave" because it made it more
popular than so called "punk" music did.

If I remember correctly, Blondie, Ramones, Moder Lovers, Television,
Talking Heads were all the original punk bands. Hell, we could go as
far as saying Velvet Underground, MC5, Zappa and New York Dolls were
the first punk bands.

Sometime in the late 70's, punk got pretty stale. Many punks felt that
if it was not "hardcore" it was sellout, hence, the media term "new
wave." Punk was supposed to be original and had nothing to do with how
hard it is. Anyway, that is my take on it. I always hated the punk
bickering in the 80's about who was "real" punk...

RIP John Entwhistle.


Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jackson <>
Subject: transistor vs. coat of many cupboards?
Message-ID: <>

LB for LB, I enjoy/ed Transistor more.

Your posts are very enjoyable, thanks!


Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:47:28 -0500
From: William D Sherlock <>
Subject: good ol' days
Message-ID: <>

Wes Long sayeth:


Nice try, Wes, but it'll never take the place of the much-beloved:


But I do agree with the sentiment. Jamie Lowe had a nice discussion
regarding this "debate" and found that if you remove the personal vitriol
both sides have something to say.

Now make nice boys.

Bill Sherlock


Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:17:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "" <>
Subject: XTC Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame!
Message-ID: <>

I have included the article! In case for some reason I can't reprint
it here, I will get to the skinny. XTC may be nominated to the Rock &
Roll Hall of Fame!

Here is the reprinted artical below:

The Police, Elvis Costello, & Iggy Pop Among Rock Hall's Eligible

July 1, 2002, 12:35 pm PT

The Police, the Clash, Elvis Costello, Iggy Pop, and Cheap Trick head
the 2003 class of newly eligible, first-time artists for the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame.

In all, there are 44 artists eligible for the first time. To become
newly eligible, an artist had to have first recorded 25 years ago

Others eligible for the first time are Beausoleil, Black Uhuru, Karla
Bonoff, the Boomtown Rats, Buzzcocks, Cameo, Marshall Chapman, Clifton
Chenier, Chic, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Dead Boys, Dixie
Dregs, Ian Dury, Joe Ely, Foreigner, Generation X (with Billy Idol),
the Germs, Robert Gordon, the Heartbreakers (with Johnny Thunders),
Nona Hendryx, the Jam, Evelyn "Champaigne" King, Patti LaBelle, Kenny
Loggins, Mink Deville, Eddie Money, the Motors, Motorhead, Teddy
Pendergrass, the Romantics, the Rumour, Shalamar, the Soft Boys,
Squeeze, the Stranglers, Stuff, Suicide, Wire, and XTC.

Costello is actually eligible twice as a first timer as a solo artist
and with his group, Elvis Costello and the Attractions. Precedence was
established when Patti Smith and the Patti Smith Group were previously
nominated. The solo Smith made the final ballot twice but was never

Pop, meanwhile, was previously nominated as a member of the Stooges,
which made the final ballot in 1997 and 1998 but also failed to enter
the Hall of Fame. Both LaBelle and Hendryx were members of LaBelle;
Pendergrass was a member of Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes; all three
went solo in 1978. Loggins was part of Loggins & Messina, who have
never been nominated.

-- Bob Grossweiner and Jane Cohen


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:48:50 -0300
From: Paulo X <>
Subject: Re: GG & music (little XTC content)
Message-ID: <l03130304b9474dafa0b0@[]>

Greetings from Brazil.

I couldn't help to add my thoughts on the relationship between the
WB's GILMORE GIRLS and music:

Apart from the fact that Lane (Rory's Korean friend) is a lover of the
so-called independent music (she's the one who brings WASP STAR in
that episode), the show also has presented, over the episodes, music
that I love.

One recent example was Wilco's "Heavy Metal Drummer" (from Wilco's
YANKEE HOTEL FOXTROT), when Lane enters the music shop (whose owner is
none other than Carole King, whose "Where You Lead" plays on the
opening credits).

Grant Lee Phillips often appears playing on the streets (in one very
funny episode, he had a dispute with another man over who was the
town's troubadour).

All in all, GG is a very good, well produced and well acted piece of
television. I hopefully hope the PTB at WB think twice before acting


P.S.: We Brazilians are Stupidly Happy because of our national team's
achievent on the World Cup.

"Record companies are no longer interested in maintaining
or nurturing or supporting the growth of an artist. They want
you as a cash cow on the day you get there. And then, when
you stop making milk they want you on the barbecue right away."
                                 -- Tom Waits


Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:24:35 +0000
From: Jayne Myrone <>
Subject: t-shirts
Message-ID: <>

Many apologies but part of my site disappeared for a couple of days.

You can now see (I hope!) the info about the shirts at

Once again the shirts will be at cost price plus postage. If you're
interested in any of the other designs please get in touch and I'm sure we
can work something out.

can I stop being a giggly whirly bird now please?


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:15:01 +0100
From: "Edward Collier" <>
Subject: Plagiarism (NO XTC)
Message-ID: <97D4513F808CA4439B1154BD307857DFF5C8@noddy.techop.local>

Michael Versaci wrote:

>> By the way, if you want to find out where Harrison
>>got most of his "facts", not to mention some of his
>>prose, check out the article by David Dayen...<

>...was beyond mere "disagreement with an
>opinion." It was an attack on the man's character.

>How can you justify accusing him of plagiarism?  You
>must know that this is the ultimate insult to a

Well, I think Bert could justify accusing Harrison of plagiarism if,
in Bert's opinion, Harrison had lifted prose unattributed from another
writer.  It is the ultimate insult to a writer precisely because it is
the worst crime a writer can commit qua writer.  I don't know if
Harrison did "borrow" the prose or not, because I find it difficult to
care less.  Nevertheless, these things are clearly demonstrable one
way or another.  The fact remains that if Harrison did it, that's



Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:17:55 -0400
From: "Lisette Proulx" <>
Subject: C'est la guerre...
Message-ID: <000001c221db$a7935400$e9858142@compaq>

Dear Mark,

You said:

>>As for me, I'm claiming the much sexier Quebec. If some hitherto mute
>>Quebecois(e) would like to argue the point, so be it, c'est la guerre.

Comment pouvez-vous pritendre poser votre drapeau Chalkhillien sur ce
territoire sans connantre la profondeur et la graviti de la divotion
fidhle envers XTC que mon mari et moi iprouvons depuis presque trois ans

Soit ! Je vous l'accorde: Vous jtes un admirateur depuis Go2.  Mais
l'intensiti de notre folie XTCienne, le nombre d'heures passies ` se
rigaler de leur ginie et la somme astronomique de dollars dipensie `
monter une collection depuis quelques mois, nous place certainement
parmi les plus fanatiques de La belle Province...

Et du mjme jet, nous riclamons sans hisitation tout le territoire `
l'est de Montrial jusqu'` la pininsule de Forillon...

Pour ce qui est de Montrial...  Nous hisitons un peu.  Il doit bien y
avoir l` de sirieux fanatiques difficiles ` battre...

Lisette et Christian
"Please don't heed my shout I'm relax in the undertow..."

P.S.  We would be really interested in a gathering of the faithful XTC
Quebec fans.  Anyone else would like that ?


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ira Lieman <>
Subject: A new pink thing to love!
Message-ID: <>


Feels like a very long time since I've posted ... or maybe it's because I
haven't had a good night of sleep in 2 weeks. And it's not because I've
been playing Moby all day and all of the night!

Esteemed to be sharing a birthday with George Clinton (and markedly less
so, Barry Manilow), my daughter Jordan Elise Lieman was born on June 17
2002. Thankfully she doesn't know much about Barry Manilow at this point.
And she has yet to react to Stupidly Happy either positively or negatively.

Birth announcements have already been sent out, and the inclusion of the
subject of this message in said announcement was soundly rejected
(although, understood) by the one who makes such decisions. Maybe I'll mock
one up on Photoshop when I have time. (Ha! Time! Ha! That's funny!)

Then again, I was listening to Oranges and Lemons while commuting to the
hospital for the three plus days my wife and daughter were there, and
Garden Of Earthly Delights (again, as when my son was born) sends a chill
down my spine.

-ira, he's all light


Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:51:04 -0400
From: James Michael Isaacs <>
Subject: Roger, Wilco
Message-ID: <>

I have to agree with everybody who thinks Wilco has put out the album
of the year.  On first listen, I was not impressed, but it has grown
on me and attached itself in my brain.  I have EC's newest, and I am
an old-school Costello-phile, but it pales compared to YHF.  Has
anyone heard the new Guided By Voices yet?  I want to get it, but
haven't taken the plunge.


Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:38:42 -0500
From: "Amanda Owens" <>
Subject: *Brushes herself off her computer*
Message-ID: <>

May I begin by bowing my head in a moment of silence for the great John

Ribs did sayeth:

>You called a diabetic to ask him what kind of chocolates he recommends?
>You could have followed up by calling Stevie Wonder to ask whether he
>caught the Metropolitan Museum the last time he was in New York.

Well, we're talking about the same guy who sent me a huge box of chocolate
for Christmas a few years ago. Besides, he nibbles every now and then....

There are no words to express the relief I felt when Dave told me that he
and Andy are back on speaking terms. They're even back to collaborating on
music! *Sheds tears of joy*

Tis all for now,
Amanda C. Owens
XTC song of the day-Ra Ra For Red Rocking Horse
non-XTC song of the day-My Only Love-Bryan Ferry


Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:38:38 +0000
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Nyaaaaah! Wise guy, huh?
Message-ID: <>

Myself, I don't understand why people would want to take the Bert V.
Harrison match off-list. I haven't been this entertained since Mike Tyson
did his taste-test on Evander Holyfield's ear.

OK it hasn't got all that much to do with XTC, but it's about a very
important musical issue and hey, given the combatants, you can't say it's
not entertaining. Any chance to watch two such aggressively articulate and
argumentative opponents duke it out is a treat in my book.

I freely admit I'm rooting (oo-err missus) for Harrison, but that doesn't
mean I am "against" Bert. He has a perfect right to express his opinions,
totally wrong though they may be (:P) hahah..

But seriously folks ... how many times does one have to remind the less
tolerant Chalkers amongst us about the existence of the "Page Down" button?
If you're not interested, don't read it ... and stop whingeing!

Vale The Ox. How come Death didn't take Bush or Sharon or Le Pen? If you ask
me, that's just one more irrefutable piece of evidence that, if there is a
god, he certainly can't be both all good AND all-powerful.

I ask you -- how could an omnipotent, good and loving deity take someone
like Jeff Buckley, yet leave behind a turd like David Irving?



Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:25:23 -0500
From: "eriC draveS" <>
Subject: Too Many Discs in the Kitchen
Message-ID: <000801c2231b$332d9670$523cf843@XLZOOM>

Okay, did I hear right? They're planning Fuzzy Warbles
to be a spine-shattering, herniating 12 CDs?? Plus there's a NEW ALBUM
coming??? PLUS Virgin (boo!) is releasing their videos on DVD?

Now where did I put my money? Oh yes, I wasted it all on Dragon Ball Z
cartoons. Oh well, there's always having a whip 'round. Pass out the 'at,
guv. :)

eriC draveS

P.S. On the lighter side, I only managed to complain about the "track zero"
thing once.


Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 19:26:29 -0500
From: "vee tube" <>
Subject: Old Tubes For New!
Message-ID: <>

                      Eddie wrote.

    "And I think it's time for vee-tube to weigh in
      on the bert/harrison Moby debate, well...."


               Moby: Harmless (mostly)

     Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to
    remastering a very nasty sounding boot of XTC @
    Macarena Club cassette for Sir Demon Brown's...

                 ...XTC4U.COM website



Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 14:16:05 +0100
From: Jayne Myrone <>
Subject: The Gathering
Message-ID: <>

If anyone is still interested in coming to the Gathering on 13-14th July.
Please get in touch if you'd like to come along.

The first thing to tell you is that due to various reasons (mainly me not
know it was graduation time at Oxford Uni - d'oh!) we're moving the
gathering to Lechlade which is nearer to the Horse and of course Swindon.

Thanks to Smudge's organisational skills we have a timetable that looks good
to me.

Meet lunchtime in New Inn - general greetings and hail-fellows-well-met
type stuff

Afternoon for either more gassing in pub or a walk down by old Father
Thames, enjoying the sunshine (har har) depending upon preferences (and
perhaps some meeting/picking up stragglers)

PM, meal and more drinks somewhere in Lechlade.

Visit the Horse and then on to The White Horse pub at Woolstone to meet
Debra Edmonds and some special-ish guests.

Debra - who is a star btw - has got Steve Warren (XTC's roadie and friend of
Andy P's from when they were little) to come along on Sunday - all things
permitting. He has said about bringing along photos and info to show us. And
she's also seeing if Paul Mabberley can make it too.

I want to book us a table(s) because it's a busy time of year, so can you
let me know if you are going to be with us for lunch. Can I ask you to let
me know asap or by Sunday lunchtime at the latest.

Here's a link to the pub

And finally anyone else want a t-shirt? The design can be seen at

And now I'm off to lie down in a darkened room and take the dried frog



Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:32:49 +0200
Subject: The Spys were not XTC
Message-ID: <>


The Spys "The Young Ones" single (Virgin, 1979) is not the work of XTC in

The record was made by another Virgin act, The Young Ones, who released
their own very good 7", "Rock 'n' Roll Radio". This has been confirmed by a
member of The Young Ones.

If anyone needs extra clarification before putting this hoary old chestnut
to bed, please feel free to mail me.



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