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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 8, Number 39

                   Monday, 1 July 2002


                  Re: Where oh Where???
                      Re: Jellyfish
     Bert & Harrison & The Record of the Year, oh my!
     1,000 Ramblings (Well.....Cut it Down to a Few)
                    XTC Facsimile CDs
                        idea site
                   OT: john entwhistle
                   Re:Jam-based content
                    jellyfish box set
                       In Memoriam
              Territorial Pissings (no Moby)
                     *Gilmore Girls*
            *Brushes cruelty off her computer*
                     Diverse rambling
                 A Chip Off The Old Bert
                        Roger that
I pledge allegiance, to XTC, and the united fans of Chalkhills.
                   Caroline's remasters
                     This is the end
        Wanted - Comprehensive Review of Remasters
                     Re: Harrison BS
                  Bert, Thou Never Werd


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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:53:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Samuelian <>
Subject: Re: Where oh Where???
Message-ID: <>

> First of all, I'm hearing sporatic chat here
> and in ICE Magazine's July
> issue about the availability of the mini-LP
> sleeve editions......

Caroline has just taken the Japanese cardboard covers
and slapped a "distributed by Caroline" on them -
lower price than imports of course (well, usually!).
I just saw a bunch at Virgin and HMV, both in midtown
Manhattan, so they're definitely out and about.
Sounds like you're downtown, I can't imagine the
mighty J&R now having these.

> Forgive me, I'm manic about
> special editions ever since I missed my
> opportunity to snag PAUL MCCARTNEY UNPLUGGED

Out of print in the US, true, but easily available as
import.  Try


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:19:03 +0100
From: "Paul Sandford" <>
Subject: Moby....Dick!!
Message-ID: <000901c21e07$1f0634e0$200e86d9@samuel>

Dear Bert and Harrison,
                            "Put your knuckles down boys". It gets a bit
dull having to scroll through yer turgid willie waving every digest.
                    Many thanks


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:44:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Jellyfish
Message-ID: <>


I happen to know a bit about that Jellyfish box set so I thought I'd
fill you in.

While they did only put out two albums, this four disc box set is made
up of entirely unreleased (or at least unreleased or rare in the US)
material, meaning there is NO overlap with their two proper albums at
all. The set will feature all their known rarities, demos of nearly
all of both of their albums, live tracks, and more. It's also packaged
in an attractive longbox with booklet (a la "Coat..."). The price you
state is high--if you order it directly from the company that's
producing it (Not Lame records at then you can pay a
little less.

ALSO, I should say, NotLame is probably the coolest little record
company on earth. Fans of XTC would find much to love there, and
should check them out. Label head Bruce Brodeen is also a great guy
and is always willing to chat despite getting hundreds of emails a
day. AND if you REALLY want to see this box set come out, there is
something you can do to help. See, EMI is making the label pony up ALL
the money BEFORE they produce the set because of the magnitude of the
project. NotLame is a small, 3 person operation, and Bruce has sunk
well into six figures of personal capital into this project
already. Pre-orders of the set directly through the site (and even
moreso, pre PAYING, though many may have valid reservations about
that) ensures to NotLame a return on their investment, so they can
borrow more to pay EMI. The box set is unfortunately on permanent
hiatus until this situation can be rectified (meaning it missed its
planned June 25 release and won't be out for another !  month, at
least) so if you want to help all of us fans get our boxes, go
pre-order the thing!

Whew, sorry for so much non-XTC content. To make it up to all of you,
I offer this: Have any of you seen that big, green book called "PUNK:
The Definitive Record of a Revolution" (I think it was edited by Chris
Sullivan). It's a bunch of pictures and interview quotes from some of
the most important figures in the punk revolution, but the most
disturbing part comes near the end in a part where everyone is
discussing "new wave." In it, there are several vitriolic diatribes
about how these new wave bands are shit, etc etc and they cite XTC and
the Cars as the most frequent contributors to the distruction of
punk's good name. Has anyone else seen this? I don't have it handy so
I can't transcribe the quotes but if anyone is interested I could do

Oh, and on the Moby front... well, I don't want to throw my hat
completely in the ring on such a heated debate, but, heck, I like his
music, and in the cutthroat music industry I support any artist who is
making money in any basically moral and legal way.



Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:58:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wes Long <>
Subject: Bert & Harrison & The Record of the Year, oh my!
Message-ID: <>

Hey... Bert & Harrison, PUT A CLAMP ON YOUR DAMN
POTTED MEAT TRAPS, puhhhhhleeeeaaase. When will you
two realize that no one is going to love you, until
you love you.

Bert - I couldn't pick Harrison out of a crowd of
three, but I've seen an old school photo of the lad,
and he looks damn spooky. Think heavy metal biker dude
on an elephant steady diet of steroids and acid and
you'll be in the ball-park. Be afraid... be very

Harrison, buddy... perhaps you'd have more time to
write articles about XTC if you entered into idiotic
arguments less frequently.  Sorry... couldn't resist.
I'm quite sure that jab will not speed up the process.

Album of the year???

Yeah... Costello's disc is good, but it doesn't come
close to Wilco's "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" - easily the
best album I've heard this year... and probably the
best thing they've done to date.  Give it a chance.



Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:22:27 -0400
From: "Molly, the New Wave Queen" <>
Subject: 1,000 Ramblings (Well.....Cut it Down to a Few)
Message-ID: <000401c21e18$5efecb00$eb01590c@vogmudet>
Organization: AT&T Worldnet

I've been reading Chalkhills lately and I see one of our faithful members is
getting attacked by another.  Bert, my dear friend, leave Harrison alone.
Yes, of course you have every right to stoate your opinion, but I just read
your last post in Chalkhills Digest 8-38, and I think you have a personal
grudge against him.  If people have personal grudges against people they
tend to try to rip them apart and make them look bad, when in reality the
attackers are making themselves look like jerks.  Harrsion is a cool guy,
and he doesn't really deserve the personal attack you just made.  That's all
about that subject.
On a lighter note, I recently got a great DVD called, "New Wave" and it has
the video for "Making Plans For Nigel".  OMG, this video totally blows me
away.  It's  But what do you expect from a video from
circa 1980.  :)  I have one question though about the video, is that Andy as
the specialist helping out "Nigel"?  It looks like him, but I'm not sure.
Now if only I could get my hands on a DVD full of XTC videos.
That's all for now.  :)

XTC Song of the Moment: "Towers of London"
Non-XTC Song of the Moment: "Seizure" - .O.Rang


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:47:06 +1000
From: "Peter Brown" <>
Subject: XTC Facsimile CDs
Message-ID: <004201c21e24$327bdf30$61f538cb@pc1>

Regarding Kevin's interest in the mini-LP CDs of the remastered XTC
catalogue (at least I presume that's what Kevin is talking about) I
purchased mine the same time that the remasters were released so they have
been around for a while. I have

Big Express
English Settlement
Oranges and Lemons

And I would dearly like the rest, so if anyone knows ...

I can tell you they are Japanese, the essay contained within is also in
Japanese.  They are marvellous near facsimile's of the album's done like
only the Japanese can do (Big Express is especially wonderful).  I can tell
you I purchased them personally from Red Eye records in Sysney
( and their stock sold out within a few weeks.  Last time
I asked they said they were attempting to find more copies from various
distributors but it was proving difficult to find cheap ones. used to sell them but they appear to be out of


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:10:56 EDT
Subject: idea site
Message-ID: <>

hey folks...

 no one posting about the great news on the idea site.

  You all too busy working on territories and license plates?

 go read about dvds and new recordings xtc, xtc, xtc.

  and, i think its time to  have vee-tube weigh in on the bert/harrison  moby

 well...    eddie


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:55:23 -0700
From: "Dan Phipps" <>
Subject: OT: john entwhistle
Message-ID: <001e01c21e4f$409a5120$6f8c04d8@pavilion>

john entwhistle (the who) -- rest in peace!  :-(

it's a sad day indeed for rock and roll!


"we are stardust...we are golden."
                                         -- joni mitchell


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:17:11 -0700
From: "Phil Cusimano" <>
Subject: Re:Jam-based content
Message-ID: <000f01c21e49$e9e2dc80$>

Jamie replied:

>Slightly non-XTC but seeing as we seem to be on a Jam thing at the
If you want to hear some very Jam/early-XTC-a-like sounds you could do a lot
worse than check out some of Stiff Little Fingers earliest stuff.

And as a link to Stiff Little Finger, Bruce Foxton (former bass player of
the Jam) is currently Stiff Little Finger's bass player.  On another link,
and sadly on the heels of the death today of John Entwistle, Foxton is also
working on a project with Simon Townshend, Pete's youngest brother, at .

Currently in remorse on the news of the death of JAE.


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:19:43 EDT
Subject: jellyfish box set
Message-ID: <>

someone mentioned the Jellyfish box set last post.  I pre-ordered the set
about 2 months back.  It is indeed called FAN CLUB, and is being put out by
Not Lame Records at  I paid $60.  They are predicting a July
release, but it seems some red-tape issues have arisen....



Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:00:58 -0400
From: "Alec Berlin" <>
Subject: In Memoriam
Message-ID: <>

John Entwhistle, RIP.

Is there another bassist who sounds like him? Does anyone ever confuse one
of his bass lines for someone else?

Could anyone else have remained as totally rock solid in the face of such
utter rhythmic chaos and wonder as what came from Moonie?

RIP, Ox.

Alec Berlin
alecberl - AIM


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:15:40 -0400
From: "Scott Barnard" <>
Subject: Territorial Pissings (no Moby)
Message-ID: <>

Could any other nation but Canada really produce as painfully polite an
exchange as the following?

>"Ted Harms" <> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I wonder how much of Ontario I can claim?
> >
> > Is anybody going to get upset if I raise my ensign over the
> > south-west?  For now I won't be so bold to include the Golden
> > Horseshoe/armpit of Lake Ontario area but will happily annex it if
> > nobody complains...
>Whoa, not so fast Ted... we may have a border skirmish on our hands here.
>I'm but a stones throw from UW (beside Laural Creek as a matter of fact),
>and I've been a Chalkhooligan since the release of Go2... I take it you
>but a gleam in the old mans eye at the time.
>But I'd be happy to share the rights to all of Southeren Ontario with you -
>why be greedy?
>(nice to meet you sir!)
>-mark kirk->

You apparently have staid old Ontario to yourselves, boys, and welcome to
it. As for me, I'm claiming the much sexier Quebec. If some hitherto mute
Quebecois(e) would like to argue the point, so be it, c'est la guerre.


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Anthony <>
Subject: *Gilmore Girls*
Message-ID: <>

After the WB Network sit-dram *The Gilmore Girls* got
several mentions in Chalkhills, I made a mental note
to watch. But I didn't get around to it until
mid-June, when I saw, in the checkout line, that *TV
Guide* had dubbed it "The Best Show You're Not

Well! *TV Guide* had, in the late '90s, bestowed this
honor on my favorite series, *Homicide: Life On the
Street*, so I immediately knew two things about
*Gilmore*: one, it's really good, two, it uses great
music, and three ...

Oh, piffle, I'll begin again.

these components: one, it's really good, two, it uses
great music, and three, it's in dire peril of

One or more of you had reported that not only does
*Gilmore* use XTC music, but in one episode, a
character runs down the street, or runs into a room,
brandishing *Wasp Star* and shouting, "New XTC album
out!" -- or words to that effect.

Alas, there was no XTC in the ep I caught. Lots of
clever writing, though, and a couple of articulate
zinger-shooting main characters, mother and daughter,
quirky enough to invite a repeat viewing -- yet not so
quirky as to chase me away.

This mother and daughter are the only two women on the
planet who believe an evening is enhanced by watching
a Monty Python movie, then shrieking at each other in
falsetto Non-U English accents.

*Gilmore*'s refreshing Montyphilia is reason enough to
watch again.

As is the casting of Edward Herrman, who portrayed
Franklin Roosevelt so ably some years back, as the
grumpy clueless grandfather.

As is the Language In The Lungs of the main characters
-- e.g., the mother's use of the phrase "in synch" --
immediately followed by the disclaimer that she didn't
mean it "in the slightly gay boy-band sense."

As is the yet-unrealized hope of hearing XTC on
network TV ... well, at least on the WB.

Ryan Anthony
An independent Internet content provider

P.S.: The part of Arizona that is currently burning
(400,000 forested acres, and counting, in the
east-central White Mountains) is not in my empire. The
Great Fire I'm responsible for as Number One XTC Fan
In Southern Arizona, the Bullock blaze on Mount
Lemmon, overlooking Tucson, is out. And no, Books Were
Not Burning.

P.P.S.: John Entwistle's come to a sticky end / Don't
think he will ever mend ...


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:26:58 -0400
From: Ribs McSorley <>
Subject: *Brushes cruelty off her computer*
Message-ID: <>

> Recently had the pleasure of speaking with Senor Gregory again, this time to
> ask his opinions on some British food I was planning to order online. (All
> Cadbury chocolate, of course.)

You called a diabetic to ask him what kind of chocolates he recommends?

You could have followed up by calling Stevie Wonder to ask whether he caught
the Metropolitan Museum the last time he was in New York.


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:39:45 +0000
From: "James McRae" <>
Subject: Diverse rambling
Message-ID: <>

Did anyone else spot this item on the Xtcidearecords site?

"Tunes help you breathe more easily.
Date: 21/06/02

Andy and Colin have started work (at last i hear you cry) on material for a
new XTC album. Song titles at present include My Heart Is A Compass, Oh My
Britannia, Whispered Hymn and Say It. We will be giving you regular
bulletins on how things are progressing. " -This makes me happy.....

The site also mentions chalkhorse fleeces coming up for sale (thinks: must
tell wife as birthday is approaching) - This also makes me happy....

My daughter (20 months)loves "Helicopter" and rotates until she falls to the
floor laughing. - this makes me happy..

....What does not make me happy is rather unpleasant and bitter bickering -
started mainly, it seems, about a performer who isn't even in XTC.  Guys,
can you argue off list please? (this is a polite and respectful request)



Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:32:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Versaci <>
Subject: A Chip Off The Old Bert
Message-ID: <>


Bert Millichip said:

>What's Chalkhills coming to, when you can't disagree
with an opinion without getting aggressive
sub-Scorsese lines thrown back at you?<

Harrison is a writer, and by definition has availed
himself to criticism.  Some love his writing; others
do not.  I suspect he can live with that. What you did
when you said ...

> By the way, if you want to find out where Harrison
got most of his "facts", not to mention some of his
prose, check out the article by David Dayen...<

...was beyond mere "disagreement with an
opinion." It was an attack on the man's character.

How can you justify accusing him of plagiarism?  You
must know that this is the ultimate insult to a
writer.  A quick search of Chalkhills archives reveals
Harrison to be a very responsible individual,
dilligently crediting and referencing his sources with
URL's and / or  listings of those that are not
available on the web.

Truth be told, I think you are envious of his stature
here on Chalkhills.  Your spurious implications of
plagiarism have done nothing to tarnish his good
reputation, but have significantly diminished your

Michael Versaci


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Smart <>
Subject: Roger that
Message-ID: <>

For my money (what little of it there is), the best
album since Wasp Star is the new Wilco album, Yankee
Hotel Foxtrot. Atmospheric, semi-poppy at times, dark
and scratchy at others, and each song self destructs
cataclysmicly instead of ending in a more usual way.
Love it.



Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:52:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "" <>
Subject: I pledge allegiance, to XTC, and the united fans of Chalkhills.
Message-ID: <>


Don't worry, I won't start a debate about the pledge, though It's
pretty irritating that the religious -------- in this country are
going to continue forcing their religion into politics while at the
same time ignoring the voice of 15% of the nation.

Remember, if we did everything the majority wanted, gays could not
marry, drugs would be illegal, and we would spend more money on
prisons than on schools... Oh wait, my bad...

XTC Content: I love Sgt. Rock! I'm surprised any self respecting fan
wouldn't like the song!

By the way, no one responded so I will ask the question again:

I bought all the XTC remasters I could get from Amazon and all of them
came as Japanese imports and looked like little records. I did not
order the imports, I ordered the American version. Anyway, are there
ANY differences in the Japanese imports and the American remasters?

Oh, get the new Squeeze album "The Very Best of Squeeze." It's great!


Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 03:00:00 -0400
From: DMiner <>
Subject: Caroline's remasters
Message-ID: <a05100300b94306cb8635@[]>

Greetings, Chalkfolks,

I was recently shocked to come upon the mini-LP editions of
"Skylarking" "Oranges & Lemons" and "White Music" selling for a
ridiculously low sum of $14.99 (US) at Borders Books & Music. It
appears Caroline is importing the Japanese pressings and simply
stickering the back with an English language track list and their own
barcode. I recently discovered the same imports available at an
independent shop for $13.99. I know where I'm going for the next
ones, which should be out very, very soon (if not now). I'm tickled
that I should be able to complete my collection of mini-LP remasters
at rates cheaper than mail-ordering them as imports (or buying them
at the bend-over-and-take-it sum of $30.99 at Virgin Megastore).

In case you didn't know, Caroline is also releasing the remastered
albums in their own jewel case packaging. These versions I have seen
for sale at Best Buy, and sorry to say, they're ugh-lee. The
beautiful blue "Skylarking" cover has been represented as some awful
puke-like aqua in the jewel case version. The majestic "Oranges and
Lemons" cover looks soft and faded, nothing like the
originated-as-a-CD-anyway Geffen cover. Worst of all, "English
Settlement" is darn near unrecognizable. The front looks like a dark,
texture pattern mess, where you can barely make out the title. The
chalkhorse is virtually invisible.

The Caroline jewel case discs have stickers on them boasting color
booklets with lyrics. Anyone seen inside these discs? I definitely
won't buy these editions (unless that's the only way to get
remastered Dukes of Stratosphear), but I am curious how the interior
is presented.

= Derek Miner =


Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:18:54 +0100
From: Jayne Myrone <>
Subject: This is the end
Message-ID: <>

The votes are in and the winner is

Sir Sun and Miss Moon

If you want to buy a t-shirt please get in touch with me via

Let me know what size you want, how many shirts and your address. The cost
will be #7-50 plus postage. As the dollar is currently instable I'll use the
exchange rate for the day the order reaches me.

Thanks for voting and if you have any question or are interested in using
one of the other designs please get in touch.

Back to lurking


Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 02:11:55 -0400
From: Andy Nouraee <>
Subject: Wanted - Comprehensive Review of Remasters
Message-ID: <>

Just wondering if anyone has written or knows where to find reviews of all
of the XTC remasters that compares their sound quality to prior CD issues.
I'm particularly interested in what any people with technical knowledge (aka
hifi geeks) have to say.

I'm curious because I want to know which CD are the most improved.

You can e-mail me privately at

Thank you.



Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:32:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randy Posynick <>
Subject: Re: Harrison BS
Message-ID: <>

god, i love an intellectual argument. so fiery and exciting! i wanted to
join the debate club in high school, but it turned out i'm kinda dumb...

anyway, i'm not going to step into the middle of this most excellent and
effusive discussion, but rather provide a tangential link to an interesting
john densmore article:

in which the former doors drummer provides his opinion on songs in
commercials -- one of the issues you're examining.



Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:15:16 EDT
Subject: Bert, Thou Never Werd
Message-ID: <>


Wow. Wowie-wowie-wow.

Looks like I've got some apologizing to do. I imagine that anybody not
enervated by this pissing contest before Bert's explosion is pa-LEN-ty sick
of it by now. I should have foreseen the results of poking at a hornet's
nest. That the hornets thus awakened are now blundering around like the Three
Stooges, making "woop-woop-woop" noises and poking each other in the eye,
doesn't mean they're not disturbing the peace. I should have read the warning
signs and avoided it. If I had, we might all have been spared clear-eyed
reasoning like this:

>For one
>thing, it would take pages for me to refute every one
>of your blatant falsehoods (I counted thirteen) and
>misrepresentations, not least because to do so would
>necessitate quoting great chunks of your verbose
>rhetoric. But the main reason I won't bother is that
>all those untruths have already been exposed by my
>previous post....

Let me see if I've got this straight, Mr. Darrow: Two weeks ago you refuted
everything I said a week ago...? Did I follow that correctly? Saaaaay! Neat

When dealing with a grasp of time & space as tenuous as this (no, Bert, the
better class of physicists are pretty sure effects *follow* causes), it's
best to simply vacate the field and leave it to the baboon with the bigger,
redder ass, 'cos there's sure as shit no winning (or, perhaps more
importantly, even *ending*) this argument. We'll just let the rest of The
Millichip Introductory Course in Inductive Reasoning stand as its own best
counterargument -- the Hardest-Workin' Self-Immolation in Show Business.
(Moby's the *victim*! [slap forehead] Why didn't I *see* it!)

By the way, for all those folks who've asked us to take it offline: on
Thursday, June 27, I asked him twice to send me his "rebuttals" directly so
we could take it private. The first inquiry was answered with a torrent of
clumsy abuse (including a *very* classy crack about the "bad medical news" I
alluded to earlier); the second with whistling silence.

[Cut to Monday....]

Ah. That's better. Bert has now, a few days later (not to say after a
weekend's hurried typing), managed to come though with the goods, so for the
next few days the muffled crashing sounds you hear offstage (reminiscent of
Fibber McGee's closet in that beloved radio show of fond memory) will be
those of a "frank exchange of views" going on across the Atlantic.

Wow! THIRTEEN blatant falsehoods! Lemme at 'em! LEMme at 'em!

Harrison "Shemp was always my favorite hornet" Sherwood


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