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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 8, Number 16

                 Sunday, 24 February 2002


               The Dukes Live In Baltimore
                     Re: Nobody Calls
                     His Fano Guitar
                     Pretty as Pink?
              rock in "the wrong languages"
               Rufus & Tributes & Homegrown
                   Re: household names
                 Re: Is Curiosity a sin?
                  Neil Finn / XTC covers
           six dyslexic degrees of separation?
Rocking the Suburbs of Athena, Madrid, Paris, Roma, Berlin, etc...
                 Ella Te Ama, Si, Si, Si
                   drums and ... drums
                 the nines and jellyfish.
                  UK Chalkhills Shindig
         The Right Honourable Whosis's Boxed Set
                Another Testimonial Dinner


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Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:38:23 -0500
From: "john irvine" <>
Subject: The Dukes Live In Baltimore
Message-ID: <>

Hi All-

Checking in after 'bout three years off to let yous know I'm in a Dukes
tribute band.  (If the Doors and Floyd deserve one...)  We are playing for
the second time in Baltimore Maryland, (a state about the size of England -
Andy), on March 2nd at 9-ish at Fraziers on 36th Street in Hampden.

We don't have a name and we don't dress up, but we've got the whole ep and
half a Sunspot down. BYO blotter. See you there.

John Irvine,


Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:37:59 EST
Subject: Re: Nobody Calls
Message-ID: <>

In a message dated 2/18/02 8:25:22 PM, Marie writes:

>All this makes me ask a question: why Colin Moulding never managed to
>do that sort of things? He is talented too, an amazing bass player,
>seems to be a ''cool'' guy, and opened to contatcs with other
>musicians. So what is his problem? Or is he not interested at all? Or
>maybe nobody calls- What a shame!

Ahhh Marie, Marie ....

   Mr. Moulding is all over Sam Phillips' "Martinis and Bikinis" CD. Her
producer/husband T-Bone Burnette is a huge fan and invited him to Hell-A
(EL-Lay that is) to play; if you've not heard Sam, go get any one of her
CD's ... you'll thank me in the morning!

Cheers from rainy Sacramento!


Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:04:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Versaci <>
Subject: His Fano Guitar
Message-ID: <>


Wayne observed:

>I've noticed quite a bit of complaints about AP's
guitar playing on Wasp Star<

I haven't really noticed many *complaints* - I think
most of us judge Andy as a fantastic guitarist.  His
style is surprising and unique.  He is technically
adept (and oddly modest about his ability when
speaking in interviews.)

The point is, I miss Dave Gregory's influence on the
music.  His style is markedly different than Andy's.
Dave's absence on "Wasp Star" does nothing to diminish
Andy's guitar-playing.  Indeed, Mr. Partridge plays
some great stuff on "Wasp Star" - some might say that
Andy played better on that record *because* Dave
wasn't there to pick up the slack.

The guitar-playing on "Wasp Star" is top-notch.  What
is missing is the different direction, the added
dimension that Dave always brought to the songs.  He
*thinks* differently than Andy, but his thinking is
complementary, and that is what I miss on "Wasp

Michael Versaci


Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:58:21 -0600
From: "Steve Oleson" <>
Subject: Pretty as Pink?
Message-ID: <>

Quoth Jackson:

"if the boys from Swindon became household names with their own trading
cards, cartoon show, muzak channel and infomercial, we would'nt think
they were so cool. "

Can you imagine Andy and Colin putting down their instruments and
doing dance routines like N'Sync ad nauseum? Wearing midriff baring
matching outfits?

No, neither can I!

SteveO in Austin


Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:49:20 +0100
From: "Mary" <>
Subject: rock in "the wrong languages"
Message-ID: <001501c1b954$c1b8f500$d39f1b97@mary>

I agree with the person who cited Mano Negra, French is a good language for
pop-rock. Have you ever listened to Les Negresses Vertes? Perhaps one of the
absolutely most genial bands EVER, and I do mean ever. If you have not heard
of them, try to get *Mlah*, *Zig Zague* or *Famille Nombreuse*, (They are a
bit Poguesian, but much more musically talented than the blokes). Or the
late, great Telefon. What about Les Rita Mitsouko?! I could go on, but
won't. Then I would have to start the list of Italian groups, and Spanish
ones, and Japanese ones, and Turkish ones (there are some amazing Turkish
rock, pop groups, and I beg whomever to try to get some Sezen Aksu or Tarkan
- do not disappoint). And the African continent?! Too much to list. Problem
is exposure, I guess. If you don't have them on the radio, or MTV, they
don't exist. At least, here in Italy, we occasionally hear things from over
the Alps and below the Mediterranean. It is not "World Music", it is
pop-rock music that is sung in another language, with another thought

Marie Marie, don't know of this musician you cite. (and still can't make
good on our bet, so, I guess a hand-drawn portrait of Andy should be on my
list of things to do), although, I KNOW I read this someplace, and sooner or
later, will find out! As far as finding out how to get the disc you mention,
you'll have to go to ten feet, ask Paolo or get a hold of people who follow
these things better than I do. Maybe Riccardo Bertoncelli (lurker?) knows.
But you are right, I took your cue and did a  "Andy, Partridge, singing,
lessons" search on Google. Learned that Andy Williams gave singing lessons
in an episode of "the Partridge Family" and laughed so hard, remembering my
childhood and the crush I had on David Cassidy, that I could not sit
straight! The search continues!


Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:05:39 EST
Subject: Rufus & Tributes & Homegrown
Message-ID: <>

<<Incidentally, the ultimate XTC tribute album for me (far superior to the
Testimonial Dinner CD) would include the following artists-->>

My nominations remain:

Tom Waits, "Rook" (2 new Waits songs out today on the Big Bad Love
soundtrack for any interested)

Dave Matthews Band, "Yacht Dance" (easy to hear that one)

As for Rufus, yes it was a 70's band fronted by Chaka Khan Chaka Khan,
but the original writer was probably referring to Rufus Thomas who did
in fact assume room temp. last year.

Other XTC related stuff: Was listening this morning to the Homegrown
version of "We're All Light", and it reminded me thematically of "No
Language In Our Lungs" in terms of writing about love in a
logical/technical manner as opposed to an emotional one. I wonder if
Andy prefers this approach...

Speaking of Homegrown, I had put off the purchase and was lucky enough
to find a used copy in my local indie shop. Not good for the lads, but
good for me, and certainly a worthwhile & necessary addition to the
XTC collection.


NP: Green Day, "When I Come Around"


Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:30:02 -0500
From: Tony Picco <>
Subject: Re: household names
Message-ID: <>

>>From: Jackson <>
>>Fellow Chalkonians,
>>if the boys from Swindon became household names with their own
>>trading cards, cartoon show, muzak channel and infomercial, we
>>would'nt think they were so cool. Here's one selfish fan hoping they
>>make enough to live in the style they desire but keep their esoteric

This kind of stuff always bugs me... Why does commercial success cause some
fans to abandon the music they love? What kind of elitist nonsense is that?
Granted, much of commercial, successful music is less than great... but
wouldn't you want to see the musicians you've loved and supported for years
be financially free to create as they wish?
tony picco


Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:00:43 -0800 (PST)
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Re: Is Curiosity a sin?
Message-ID: <>

On Feb 15, 18:25, art et affiche <> wrote:
>  Thanks to Mister Relph, I was well
>informed, but I've found recently that Andy is featured on the last
>album of a girl called Jacqueline Kroft (living in the UK), along with
>his friend Neville Farmer. Does anybody here know about this artist?
>I couldn't find what was Partridge's contribution, production or

More information can be had at "", but
what information is there does not answer Marie's questions above.
Does anybody out there know any more?

>And Mary Maria, if you read this, I've read in an italian interview
>from 2000 that he has also worked with an italian jazz guitarit called
>Roberto Zorzi.

I visited Roberto's page at "" and
according to his discography there has been no concrete result of any
purported collaboration between Andy and Roberto.

>All this makes me ask a question: why Colin Moulding never managed to
>do that sort of things?

He's done one or two (Affaire Louis Trio, Sam Phillips).  He was asked
to tour with Pink Floyd a few years back, but turned it down so XTC
could make a record.

	-- John


Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:33:32 -0800
From: "Sughosh Varadarajan" <>
Subject: Neil Finn / XTC covers
Message-ID: <000e01c1b9e0$ef687de0$4737c5cb@sughosh>

Wayne wrote:

>Incidentally, the ultimate XTC tribute album for me (far superior to the
>Testimonial Dinner CD) would include the following artists--

>Neil & Tim Finn - Science Friction

I noticed an mp3 of Neil Finn doing Making plans for Nigel on Morpheus...was
this on the Testimonial dinner album?

>Aaron Carter - Dying (My daughter's suggestion)

"I'm getting older too".. the song goes. Is Aaron, really? (or for that
matter, Backstreet Boys.. how do you tell?)

> Compare and
> contrast 20 years of Xtc's music with anything from the Stock, Aitken,
> Waterman back catalogue of the same time period to see what the Great
> British singles-buying public prefer. They prefer being whacked around the
> head with a simple lyric and simple melody at 125 bpm for three minutes.

>>Sadly, so do the Americans now. It's a pity that American radio has become
>>a sterile wasteland (at least for me). The (very) brief period when it was
>>interesting was squashed by the Corporate Radio Sound.

Hmm... yes, all that's fine.. but you'll admit both the US and the UK have
one very major plus on India at least... whether XTC are popular or not,
they're available!! Wish I could say the same for my own land...Indians make
so much great music , but then I have to go and like some obscure British
band, meaning that I spend the rest of my years locating their albums..

Oh, and I wonder why people are so disappointed with "Love and theft". I'd
say the only way it could be disappointing would be if you were expecting
maybe "Blonde on blonde" or "Blood on the tracks". Rather unfair, that.


Current fave XTC line:
  "People will always be tempted to wipe their feet
   on anything with 'Welcome' written on it."

     - Andy Partridge


Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:16:06 -0600
From: Brown <>
Subject: six dyslexic degrees of separation?
Message-ID: <>

I do hope that this gets out before the 24th.. And, yes, I'm *positive* it's
six anorexic degrees.. OK, listen closely cuz I'm NOT going to repeat
myself!  First there's the Cardiacs, then there's Bill Drake, then the
Cardiacs mailing list, then there's me, then Capt. Relphie, and finally,
Chalkhills.. 1-2-3-5.. yeah, it adds up!<G>  Anyroad, I thought some of you
dear Chalkfolk 'what were in the U-KAY' might be interested in this tidbit:

    We have just been informed that Bill Drake will be giving another
    splendid performance at the 12 Bar in Denmark Street, London, W1
    on Sunday 24th February. He will be on stage at around 10pm.

That's all for now, you lovely freaks and octoaquariums!

Killing yaks from 200 yards away, with or without the mind bullets,

Debora 'Fac ut gaudeam' Brown


Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:03:42 +0100
From: "Emmanuel Marin" <>
Subject: Rocking the Suburbs of Athena, Madrid, Paris, Roma, Berlin, etc...
Message-ID: <002801c1b999$ad9f07e0$b4fc80d9@em>

> <<<". I'm one of those weirdos who thinks that somehow rock music being
> sung in Greek or Spanish doesn't quite sound right, somehow. And I'm sorry
> but IMO the French CANNOT rock. Plastique Bertrand was about the nearest
> tey ever got (and anyway he was Belgian wasn't he?).>>>

[And furthermore that's not even him who's singing, they said. And when you
remember one of the Milli Vanilli was French, it makes you wonder :-)]

Seriously, about rock music sung in different languages, I recommend you
to check the following, in which the voice and words are much important
for the song (ie : "minimal" music around them) :

Greek : Try the band "Trypes" for "simple" rock sung in Greek, for instance
"Ta Kanonika Paida". No, I don't understand a word either. Short and

Spanish : "Mala vida" by the Mano Negra (they're French but it's sung
in Spanish) Spanish can carry a lot of rough energy too.

Other languages I can give examples of :

French : so many to name... Maybe "Argent trop cher" by Telephone
(early 80's) can sound well to a foreign ear. They toured successfully
in the UK, after all.

Italian : minimal music to judge if an Italian can "rock" in his
mother tongue ?  don't miss "Svalutation" by Adriano Celentano ! I'll
even tolerate if you download it from one of these peer-to-peer sites,
since I'm sure it must be quite expensive to find it in the USA... (I
could have made the same comment for others. I'm one of those weirdo
who buy *more* CDs than before because of discoveries through MP3s...)

German : "the" German hit is "99 LuftBallon", but German sung by the
late Falco ("Der Kommissar") sounds better for a foreign ear, IMO.

Voila, voila... "Be-bop-a-lula, mais ou donc es-tu parti"...

Obligatory XTC content : I can't think of a single sentence sung in a
non-English language in the whole XTC lyrics, which has to be noticed
(I mean, the Beatles had "Michelle", at least :-) ).


Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:10:33 EST
Subject: Ella Te Ama, Si, Si, Si
Message-ID: <>

In a message dated 2/19/02 12:31:01 AM, the exquisitely named
=?iso-8859-1?B?U2ViYXN0aeFuIEFk+nJpeg==?= (actually Sebastian from Buenos
Aires) writes:

>Although I tend to agree about French rock - exception made with Mano
>Negra -, the Giovanotti's " afacciate a la finestra, amore mio" or " io
>penso possitivo" are unbeatable,  for example; I can't imagine them being
>replaced by English lines like " get close to the window, my dear" or I"
>think possitive" . I can't tell about rock sung in Spanish: there were
>rock bands here singing in Spanish before I was born. I never found that

Well, I think we're into one of those areas where it would be best to define
our terms.

If you want to define "rock" as music originating in the Southern US, based
in the Blues Mode, and propagated by its earliest exponents Presley, Berry,
Perkins, Lewis, et al., then you'd have to agree that the particular
collection of rounded vowel sounds and elided consonants that make up the
Southern US accent and speech patterns are a vital part of its musical
identity. Mick Jagger (and countless pallid imitators) adopted that accent to
sing rock for a very good reason.

This kind of music sung in a language other than Southern US English usually
sounds terribly forced--the vowels just aren't right, and you really need
that staccato Iambic rhythm that English is so natural at. What other
language gives you rhythms like these, from Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch

New Jersey Turnpike in the wee wee hours
I was rollin' slow because of drizzlin' showers
Here come a flat-top, he was movin' up with me
Then come wavin' goodbye a little old souped-up jitney
I put my foot in my tank and I began to roll
Moanin' siren, 'twas a state patrol
So I let out my wings and then I blew my horn
Bye bye New Jersey, I'd become airborne

I remember a very funny rock-n-roll novelty record made in Finland in the
early 70's called (I think I'm spelling it right) "Fliduna Skiduna," which
set complete gibberish to a rockin' Chuck Berry chord progression. It was
successful on its own terms mostly because the singer, despite singing
complete nonsense, had the *accent* right, having learned to imitate the
cracker vowel sounds that are so characteristic of rockabilly and roots rock.

(I would love to do a cover version of this song. Wish I could find a copy.
Any Finnish singles collectors online?)

But if we spread our definition of "rock" to include a wider range of musics,
language becomes less of a defining factor. A few issues ago I alerted the
Assembled Multitudes to Nuggets II, a fantastic Rhino box set of mid-60s'
psychedelia from Britain and around the world (a companion piece to the
original Nuggets collection assembled by Lenny Kaye in the late 70s). Last
night I discovered in this huge collection a piece from 1968 by a Brazilian
freakbeat group called Os Mutantes. It reminded me of, I swear to God, a
marriage of the Mothers of Invention with Big Audio Dynamite; it could very
easily stand completely unremarked in a compilation of World Beat/Techno from
this year. Astonishingly farsighted record, this. (Check 'em out at

At any rate, this piece, while absolutely, defiantly Rock (recorded under the
repressive thumb of General Costa's military dictatorship, thumbing its nose
at the Clampdown's "traditionalist" cultural _diktat_, mingling Beatle-ish
guitar climaxes with a wall-eyed loony samba chant) was also absolutely
unmistakably Brazilian, and the chanted lyrics would have utterly lost their
power if translated. Believe me, you don't need to understand these words to
get the point.

The Nuggets II collection also has examples of rock (in the post-Beatles
sense) sung in English by Dutch, Spanish, German, Peruvian, Uruguayan, and
Japanese singers, with varying degrees of success. I certainly understand the
commercial impetus to sing in English, but can't help thinking that quite a
lot of subtlety gets irretrievably lost when a very good emotive singer is
forced to sign in a language not his own.

On another note, many moons ago someone (was it Mark Strijbos?) posted a
comment critical of the guitar break in "I'm the Man Who Murdered Love,"
saying that it was just basically dumb, and I responded that I believed it to
be a musical joke, an elbow-in-the-ribs quote from some obscure 60s source.
At that point I issued a challenge to the Assembled Multitudes to find what
record that raga-style break was copped from.

I believe I may have found the answer my own self.

It's a track by The Smoke (not the English Smoke of "My Friend Jack Eats
Sugarlumps," but a New Zealand band of the same name), a B-side done in 1966
called "No More Now." The guitar (a pretty snarlin' piece of pre-Hendrixian
speaker-crackling oinkage) plays something nearly-but-not-quite-exactly like
the Arab-ish modal thing Andy plays on "Murdered Love." Whether Andy was
consciously imitating this very guitar break, or the two guitar breaks both
imitate some third source is not for me to say. But the resemblance between
the two is pretty damned close--not to mention funny.

Harrison "Never mention funny" Sherwood

PS: Word to the wise: The live version of "Meccanik Dancing" on the Coat of
Many Cupboards box, Dave Gregory taking both guitar and keys parts. That 1979
band took NO F*CKING PRISONERS, man.


Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:17:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Smart <>
Subject: drums and ... drums
Message-ID: <>

"In addition, there are a bunch of other people who
are known for their competence on a variety of other
instruments but who have done solo albums where they
played all the instruments, including drums."

I'd like to add:

Dave Davies, on his first solo album
Ray Davies, on the video for Do It Again (not sure if
he really plays them on any recording, though)
Andy Partridge, on Pale and Precious

and especially,

Adrian Belew, who is a jamming drummer in addition to
his many other talents



Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:02:08 -0500
From: Ben Gott <>
Subject: "Capricornia"
Message-ID: <>


For all fans of jangly Australian political pop, Midnight Oil's new
"Capricornia" finds them returning to form -- in a big way.  It's awesome.
Check it out.



Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:57:22 +0000
From: "sarah lauer" <>
Subject: the nines and jellyfish.
Message-ID: <>

I read on one of the previous digests that there was a band called the nines
who had an album out that had a lot of XTC influences (album sounded like
nonsuch etc)sorry can't remember your name. I then read a review in
Amplifier mag that went on and on about this band, who I think are based out
of England as well if I'm not mistaken. I ended up buying the album as well
off cdbaby because of the "praise". Thanks for the info. I have to say that
after hearing it myself I agree with the previous authors' comments. I would
have to say though that it has more of the flavor of "Skylarking"/Paul
Mccartney circa 1970's Badfinger feel. The lyrics are definitely NOT as
sophisticated as Andy's but the music more than makes up for it. I guess
what I mean is the content of the lyrics are abit lighter. Great (Macca
Can't wait to buy the XTC BOX  set!!! Anyone out there, who is a Jelly Fish
fan, buy the new Jellyfish album. I'm thinking of buying it but want to know
what people think.



Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:06:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: oranges and-lemons <>
Subject: UK Chalkhills Shindig
Message-ID: <>

This year's UK Chalkhills Shindig will be happening
on 18th-19th May or 25th-26th May (subject to
confirmation) and will be taking in place in Oxford
once again.

There's going to be a lot happening including guest
appearances from:
Andy Partridge
Colin Moulding
Dave Gregory
and special guest (all the way from Australia) Terry

With live music from a re-formed XTC premiering new
material written for their forthcoming 2004 album and
world tour.*

For more information or to book your place now get in
touch with me:

*Guest appearances not guaranteed.  Live performance
may be subject to cancellation.


Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:35:41 -0600
From: "eriC draveS" <>
Subject: The Right Honourable Whosis's Boxed Set
Message-ID: <001901c1bbe0$7feab080$46b7ea41@XLZOOM>

> Another great putdown is the one from 18th century Parliament. Can't
> remember the participants, but it went something like:
> One Lord: If the Honorable Whosis continues in this course, he will die of
> the pox or on the gallows!
> Honorable Whosis: That, sir, depends on whether I embrace your principles
> or your mistress!

I believe the witty Honourable Whosis was Benjamin D'israeli.

On another unrelated note (about XTC this time-- who'd've thunk?), their new
compilation/boxed set couldn't be pre-ordered from CDNOW, which is annoying
because I had a 10% discount coupon, so it looks like I have to pay full
price when it comes out. I apologize for the attempted money-grubbing, but
rest assured the Swindoners will not be swindled.


Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:29:03
From: "* Hobbes *" <>
Subject: Another Testimonial Dinner
Message-ID: <>

In reply to Wayne's testimonial dinner tracklisting... how about imaging
this tracklisting done in the artist's styles:

Blur - The everyday story of smalltown
Rufus Wainwright - Wrapped in grey
Aimee Mann - Ladybird
Cotton Mather - Towers of London
Eels - Fly on the wall
Death Cab for Cutie - Battery Brides
Sugarplastic - Radios in motion
Super furry animals - Senses working overtime
The Pogues (with Kirsty MacColl) - The wheel and the maypole
Grandaddy - Seagulls screaming, kiss her, kiss her
The Auteurs - Dear God
Michael Penn - Collideascope
Wondermints - Are you receiving me?
Fountains of Wayne - Playground
Elliot Smith - 1000 Umbrellas
Divine Comedy - Easter Theatre
Jason Falkner - Then she appeared
Neil Finn - Pale and precious
Liz Phair - All of a sudden (it's too late)
Kate Bush - Greenman

Wishing i could get a copy,
"Some have said that I cannot sing, but no-one will say that i didn't sing"
- Florence Foster Jenkins (1868-1944)


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