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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 7, Number 60

                Tuesday, 27 November 2001

Topics:

                   XTC intro/DCFC outro
                   Re: Take the Plunge
                      radioxtc is me
                      All That Jazz
                   SFA + White Stripes
                We can play, every day...
          46 yrs old and just getting started!!
                 The Definitive Biography
                        Surviviors
                       Spocks Beard
            This, that and the other thing...
                        Death Cab
A list for CDR (I think I'll burn this for myself as well)
                One Of The Millions Glitch
                Mitch & R.Stevie O&L 1989
            Death Cab For Cutie/XTC connection
                   Chomsky in New York!

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:31:00 EST
From: Windowlizard@aol.com
Subject: XTC intro/DCFC outro
Message-ID: <5a.2272dc3.292f4724@aol.com>

I once threw the following out as XTC bait--

That's Really Super, Supergirl
Making Plans for Nigel
Senses Working Overtime
Love on a Farmboy's Wages
Meccanic Dancing
Respectable Street
Ten Feet Tall
Tissue Tigers
Seagulls Screaming, Kiss Her, Kiss Her
I'm the Man Who Murdered Love
Earn Enough for Us
1000 Umbrellas
25 O'Clock
I'd Like That
Greenman
Hold Me My Daddy
Harvest Festival
The Wheel & the Maypole
The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead

I believe I may have replaced one of the above with Garden of Earthly
Delights, but I'm not sure which. I tried to personalize the complilation to
suit the individual's musical sensibilities as much as possible. Also
included were songs I had mentioned or quoted in the past to him. Some songs
struck a chord (Greenman, Nigel, Senses) while others fell flat (Seagulls,
Supergirl, Meccanic Dancing). The end result? I failed to turn him into an
XTC freaky freak, but he now has a cursory knowledge and superficial
appreciation for the band. Oh well, I tried.

The moral of the story: I know nothing about fishing.

I'll take ya flat feet
Well if you'll take my habits

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks, Ben, for the Death Cab quote on XTC. Very interesting.... DCFC is
pop, just like XTC but the fanbase doesn't appear to overlap as much as you'd
think it would.

Red wine & cigarettes
Leave your bad habits underneath the patio.

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 04:39:35 EST
From: ROBMSTEEN@cs.com
Subject: Re: Take the Plunge
Message-ID: <69.1e636c77.292f7357@cs.com>

So Huw Davies commends "Garden of Earthly Delights" as THE prime seductress
for those hitherto resistant to the charms of Messrs P & M. Sound chap.
That, indeed, was my own experience - sort of.

Back in the middish-Eighties, lazing on my sister's couch in the Washington
DC suburbs (on a deserved holiday from London's dole queues), I read that
Todd Rundgren, my idol, had produced the latest XTC album. While familiar
with the early singles, and fond of them, I'd always deemed the band too
clever by half (a bit rich coming from a besotted fan of the man who brought
the world Deface The Music, but there you go). But hey, I'd bought albums by
The Tubes and even Hall & Oates purely because Todd was twiddling the knobs.

So I took the plunge. And came up with diamonds in the souls of my feet.
 From the opening chords of GOED I was hooked. That fusion of Byrdsian
psychedelic-acid rock-with-a-splash-of-Shankar did pretty much the same to
me as Viv Richards was doing to England's bowlers around that time. In the
immortal words of Gary's Gang, you really knocked me out, guys.

King for a Day proved the clincher, ensuring a place on my personal Olympus
alongside Todd, Van, Joni, Brooce, Don 'n' Walter, Rickie Lee and Laura N.
Had it not been for GOED, I'd never have got that far. Only now,
interestingly, have I begun to delve back (bought Mummer, Black Sea and TBE
last week). Which is half the fun. Oh, and my son (5) has been grooving to
The Greenman since he was two. What was that about force-feeding?

I turned 44 today. Forgive the nostalgic excesses, please.

The Dook of Cornwall

PS You're not THE Huw Davies (England rugger full-back of the 80s) are you?

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:54:29 -0500
From: Ian C Stewart <iancstewart@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: radioxtc is me
Message-ID: <3BFE7135.7000701@columbus.rr.com>

the RADIOXTC live365 is mine. I started it about 2-3 years ago after
sort of maxing-out a Xoom account with real audio (and video at one
point) files for other fans to check out and download. I had over 300MB
of files up, pretty much every XTC (and related) song I had. Then the
account mysteriously disappeared and so did my interest in reviving it.

Then along came live365 with their free 365MB of free space for MP3s.
Gotta love 'em. I haven't listened to radioxtc in quite a while but I do
check back in every so often just to make sure it's still on.

The sound quality is somewhat lacking in my opinion. I can upgrade it to
near-CD quality sound but I'm afraid it might lose anyone who doesn't
have a high-speed connection. any thoughts on this?

here's the direct link, pretty much set in stone. unless and until
live365 turns into a pay site.

RADIOXTC: http://www.live365.com/stations/96998

cheers
Ian C Stewart
http://bizarredepiction.batcave.net/xtcvideo.htm

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:04:06 -0700
From: "Steve Johnson" <sjohnson@co.missoula.mt.us>
Subject: All That Jazz
Message-ID: <sbfe1f1d.061@mail.co.missoula.mt.us>

I have enjoyed the many fine and thoughtful responses to my purposefully
provacative "I Hate Jazz" note from my alter-e-mail "simpleton_01" address.
I promise to keep an open mind and listen to some of the early three-minute
stuff that folks have recommended.  (There's at least one practical reason
for this--as a "pop-rock" songwriter, I'm always looking for ideas to
steal!)

Now, let me refine my thinking a bit.  It is true, as many of you have
pointed out, that the term "jazz" is amorphous.  At least one of you
challenged me to think more precisely about what it is that bugs me.  So
here's my attempt to do that.

When I was in high school, many of my fellow musician friends were really
into the "let's see how many notes we can cram into a measure" school of
song-writing.  Chick Corea comes to mind.  I always felt that this was music
written and performed for other musicians.  While I appreciated the
musicians' proficiency on their instruments, I did not really like the
songs.  I bought some of the records but didn't play them.  While I tried to
be sophisticated and listen to the "serious" music that others enjoyed, once
I got home, I put on 10cc while my Mahavishnu Orchestra record sat in the
corner collecting dust.

I just preferred songs with simpler musical structures, thought-provoking
lyrics, catchy melodies and abundant vocal harmonies.  (Okay, I have to
admit, I went through a Yes/Genesis/Crimson period.)  When it came right
down do it, how could you top the Beatles?  It wasn't any kind of a value
judgment about any particular form of music being "better" than any
other--it was just what I liked.  Some people like peas and some like
carrots.  Wasn't it Louis Armstrong who said "if you like it, it's good
music"?

Then, in about '78, I discovered XtC.  Here was a group that had everything
I wanted!  They made you want to think and dance at the same time.  They
could be angry and aggressive one moment, delicate and pastoral the next.
They made serious music, but unlike King Crimson, did not take themselves
too seriously.  To me, "Mayor of Simpleton" was and still is a perfect song.
(You want to introduce someone to XtC?  Play her "Mayor of Simpleton."  If
that doesn't persuade her, nothing will.)

Yeah, I like Joe Jackson and Steely Dan and others with strong jazz or
classical influences.  But I think I'll always like them better than their
influences.

My brother plays in a major metropolitan symphony.  Now don't get me started
on classical...   :)

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:27:02 +0000
From: "Tim Brooks" <bridgered@hotmail.com>
Subject: SFA + White Stripes
Message-ID: <F212hUxzLGl1I5Ia06x00014c93@hotmail.com>

>I know that people are in the habit of recommending other artists on this
>list so I must tell everyone to go out and buy Rings Around the World by
>Super Furry Animals now. It is a superb album and would be the sort of
>thing that fans of XTC would like, especially those who like XTC in their
>more psychadelic/Beach Boys-esque moments. SFA are almost like a Welsh XTC
>(if such a thing is possible).

>Cheers.

Wrote Huw Davies (who sounds like he may well hail from SFA country?) who is
spot on, this album especially the first half is amazing, well worth
checking out to all Skylarking lovers esp. SFA have rather like our heroes
never made a bad album. Indeed it was my definite album of the year until I
bought the much hyped (in the UK at least) White Stripes album last week -
for once believe the hype - AWESOME, can this guy play guitar - a sort of
blues/punk experience!!!

Tim currently browsing http://www.xtcidearecords.co.uk/ for the first time!!
:) :)

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:01:28 +0100
From: art et affiche <art.affiche@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: We can play, every day...
Message-ID: <3BFE8EF5.4BBDB777@wanadoo.fr>

XTC site is alive!
I've just received the e-mail from xtcidearecords.co.uk.
Great to check the "News" page!
This will be beautifully complementary with our dear
Chalkhills site, and, hopefully, will enlarge our nice community
through the hills!

And for those who like memorabilia, (especially if you live in
Orlando...), while surfing the web, I stumbled across this :
http://www.hardrock.com/memorabilia/Gallery/IGA65606.asp

Oh dear... his brown guitar!

Marie Omnibus.

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:33:39 -0000
From: "Reginard Nabbs" <R.Nabbs@btinternet.com>
Subject: 46 yrs old and just getting started!!
Message-ID: <MABBLNAAABOPEFIMHGNNMEAMCAAA.R.Nabbs@btinternet.com>

Hi, Just wanted to let any intersted parties that as a newbie (?) to all
this posting malarkey ( that's "fun and games" to our American friends), I
would put on record my opinions as to why we all like XTC! As an Englishman
who likes to think we "own" the band, I look at their musical output as an
ongoing parody/comment on the english condition. We're very big on
self-mockery in the UK, and a lot of XTC's lyrics are succinctly English in
both style and content.

I can't pretend to have liked all their punk-era  stuff ( singles
withstanding). I first of all had The Compact XTC CD, and then there was a
long gap until I picked up on Oranges & Lemons ( being a bit of an old hippy
it struck a chord), and it was another gap until Apple Venus 1 came along,
and by then I was blown away! So I guess I'm one of those who likes the more
thoughtful XTC... Have been busy back catalouging ( is that spelt right?)
and I now have Mummer, Skylarking English Settlement, Nonsuch, The Dukes
compilation and Wasp Star( as well as both the demo CD's of WS & AV).

So why do I like XTC? Because they NEVER give up producing their personal
choice in sounds and styles, and haven't caved-in to crass commercialism.
They are true English poets for the 21st century. The only thing I find
irksome is that America likes them more than we do ( by looking at the
majority of postings etc), still I'm glad to say I can't stop listening to
XTC, and I don't want to...

		Cheers ( mines a large JD!)

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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:28:46 -0500
From: "Brian" <mattone@bhip.infi.net>
Subject: The Definitive Biography
Message-ID: <006101c174a8$e4816ea0$d511193f@brian>

Tschalkgerz!

One weekend and some 'fall' cleaning later, my wife turns up a box
containing books I had been looking for for a very long time... including
the aforementioned XTC biography.

Interesting how lightweight the book is - in actual weight, that is.

I have since re-read it - and I sense that something has gotten lost along
the way. The book is not exactly how I remember it. Mayhaps a bit
'lightweight' in areas (?).

Not to be mean. I enjoyed reading it again (I went straight through it a few
short days), but the feeling of being all caught up in the lives of the
principles as before was simply not as it was. I vividly recall how big of a
deal Andy's supposed 'stage fright' was as a focal point all through the
book, but this aspect seemed so watered down upon re-reading it.

Odd. Has anyone else experienced this?

Also found was Irving Stone's Vincent Van Gogh biography 'Lust For Life',
which I read fifteen years ago... and I am still as stunned by it as I was
then. Recommended.

-Brian Matthews
http://www.stonetrek.com

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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:35:56 -0700
From: "DHF2000" <dhf2000@home.com>
Subject: Surviviors
Message-ID: <003501c174c3$09721240$3780ff18@boulder1.co.home.com>

Mr. Olesen asked: "I can' think of another band that has survived all
these years and flourished as XTC has. Can any of you?"

Only Los Lobos.  Some may say Sting but he's sorta boring.  Los Lobos
reached a peak of growth with the album "Kiko", which I have on vinyl, lucky
me.  They still do great work.

Dan

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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:05:48 EST
From: BobB22@aol.com
Subject: Spocks Beard
Message-ID: <136.520804c.29311f5c@aol.com>

Hi guys and gals........it's been a while but while we all await NEW XTC
material I highly recommend you all go out over the weekend and pick up a
copy of Spocks Beard CD titled V...........if you like the late and great
Kevin Gilbert this CD was recorded at his studio at Lawnmower in
LA...........ENjoy !!!!!! Peace.......Bob Bianco........ Bob Bianco's Beatles
Page...........take a magical mystery tour at my updated Beatles site and all
you Chalkhills Children please visit and sign my guestbook..........Happy
Holidays to all and I heard McCartney is making a new version of Band on the
Run.........Taliban on the Run...........: )

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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:07:09 -0500
From: "Purrsia Kat" <thunderien@hotmail.com>
Subject: This, that and the other thing...
Message-ID: <F233yVnztvfLVoeQ6DA000090bf@hotmail.com>

Greetings and salutations, fellow Hillers...

Just thought I'd toss my musings into the mix regarding recent Hill
conversation...

**As for what to start a potential XtC fan out with, I haven't much of a
clue. It's a crap shoot, really. I'd always fancied myself as being rather
good at pegging someone's musical tastes based on what they already like.
Good enough to make mix tapes of unknown songs for friends that they end up
digging. But when it comes to XtC, that "talent" of mine seems to vortex
straight down the crapper.
For instance, I outright gave a copy of Skylarking to a friend who seemed to
fancy similar music (early R.E.M., etc) and she *hated* it. And I figure if
someone is going to detest Skylarking, there's no other recourse really.
That seems to be my luck regarding XTC anyhow. I've yet to influence anyone
to get into them, even folks who expressed an initial interest, heehee. In
fact, an ex-boyfriend of mine described their music as "Charlie Brown Music"
(we were listening to "...Angry young Men" at the time, which didn't help, I
know. Well, I think it's a fab song, but I can see how it can inspire that
kind of description, haha).

**Speaking of Go2, I have the fondest place in my heart for that album. The
highschool friend who got me into XtC in the first place also introduced me
to Go2 first. It was an album unlike any other Xtc I'd purchased to date
(the earliest I owned then was the Waxworks compilation), and I loved it. To
this day, it reminds me of my friend. If you put his personality to music,
you'd be hearing Go2...he was just wild and wacky, and oddly
enjoyable...just like Go2.

**As for musically backgrounds of Chalkers, I'm afraid I have no true talent
of my own, although I do come from a musical family. Seems those genes
decided to skip me, however. The best I can do is appreciate the hell outta
music :-)
Can't say I branch out too much outside the pop/rock vein, but I do like a
smattering of this and that. Anyhow, this is a list of some of my all time
fave bands. In no particular order, as ranking them would likely cause my
head to implode...

*XTC (that's a given, but I'll state the obvious)
*R.E.M. (the earlier, the better)
*E/Eels
*Drivin n Cryin
*The JudyBats
*Pearl Jam
*They Might Be Giants
*Buffalo Tom
*Husker Du/Bob Mould/Sugar
*Pixies/Frank Black
*King Missile (heehee)
*Genesis (mid-70s thru mid-80s is just brilliant!)
*Smiths/Morrissey (the wry humor overrides Morrissey's melodramatic singing
heh heh)
*Def Leppard (Purely a nostalgia thing for me. DL is like the security
blanket I still cuddle with in private)

Aw, heck, I'm sure there's more, but I'm having a brain cramp. Not terribly
diverse, I know...but I like what I like, heehee.

Angie.

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Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:13:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Davidson <tattoodetective@yahoo.com>
Subject: Death Cab
Message-ID: <20011124211320.24076.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com>

Happened to be watching a video of Magical Mystery
Tour last week (in between a pretty good Genesis
documentary and the last of the Beatles Anthology
videos). What to my wondering ears did appear but a
burlesque number that the moptops and their tourmates
were enjoying.  The title of the tune?  Death Cab for
Cutie, of late posting fame.  Said to myself, damn, I
saw that on chalkhills, and none of those 'hillians
had made mention of it.  Well there ya go.

Point (plug) two - Great band for those in the
Baltimore/DC/Philadelphia corridor - Starbelly.  Learn
about them at starbelly.tv and bryanewald.com . No,
I'm not a stakeholder, just a fan.  New release
"Everyday and then Some" coming out 2/02 and they do
"Let 'em In" on the new McCartney tribute album.
British-influenced pop par excellence.

Oh yeah, almost forgot the XTC content.
Like a bug in brandy,
tattoodetective

NP Walter Becker "Surf and/or Die"

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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:24:20 EST
From: WTDK@aol.com
Subject: A list for CDR (I think I'll burn this for myself as well)
Message-ID: <90.1d71d783.2931da84@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/22/01 9:42:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes:

> > Anyway, I got a problem. I promised a very good friend of mine a
> > compilation of XTC. Just because I've told her I was on this list, she
> > asked me naively "Oh, so you must really like this band, I'd really fancy
> > to listen to their music, will you burn me a CD?", and just because she is
> > my friend, I mumbled "Errrrr - (terrible blank) -  yes, of course".
> >
> > I am in the shit.

Horrible person that I am I don't recall who wrote this and am too lazy to
look it up. I'd suggest the catchy stuff as follows--

Mayor of Simpleton
Generals and Majors
Senses Working Overtime
Cherry in Your Tree
Love on a Farm Boy's Wages
Earn Enough for Us
The Meeting Place
Battery Brides
Are You Receiving me?
Hold Me My Daddy
Mermaid Smiled
I Remember the Sun
Seagulls Screaming Kiss Her Kiss Her
Dear Madam Barnum
Greenman
English Rounabout
Snowman
I'd Like That
Vanishing Girl
Rook
Playground
The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul
Standing in for Joe
Chalkhills and Children

Not necessarily in that order. Strange thing is that I've been listening to a
lot less Xtc over the last month. I've actually been listening to a
compilation CD of McCartney's stuff which--oddly enough--compliments the
listing of Xtc stuff above. That along with Richard Thompson's (remastered)
Dangerous Adventures (which is pretty strange in and of itself because
although I like a lot of the songs, it's far from his best album. It' s sort
of his Mummer if you will--great moments but inconsistent at least for me).

Anyhow, back to lurker mode. It's back to McCartney-Echo and the
Bunnymen-Richard Thompson and Brinsley Schwarz with a touch of Suzanne Vega
thrown in for good measure.

Wayne

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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:46:58 -0800 (PST)
From: DANIEL B <alteration_x10@yahoo.com>
Subject: One Of The Millions Glitch
Message-ID: <20011125194658.25788.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com>

At around 2:56, you can hear a fairly loud glitch
which I believe serves to disrupt the song.  Has
anyone else noticed this or do I have a defective cd?
This is the Oranges & Lemons Japanese remaster btw.

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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:57:21 -0500 (EST)
From: RSMko@webtv.net (R. Stevie Moore)
Subject: Mitch & R.Stevie O&L 1989
Message-ID: <6565-3C018561-3045@storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

Manhattan Rumble! The Terrible Two bite the Big Apple!

http://www.angelfire.com/nj2/cdrsmclub/live/mitchxtc.html

rock off,
RSM

www.rsteviemoore.com

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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:26:16 EST
From: GnXn282@aol.com
Subject: Death Cab For Cutie/XTC connection
Message-ID: <145.53060ce.29331058@aol.com>

I found it interesting to see some discussion about Death Cab For Cutie here
on Chalkhills.  I just started getting into the band and saw them live in
concert about two week ago.  About halfway into the band's set, the guitar
player held his guitar up when he played it so you could see the back of it,
and as he did I noticed a HUGE XTC drums and wires-era sticker on it.  Sure
the show was good, but that was the high point of it.  Everyone buy
"Something About Airplanes" at least out of loyalty to XTC!

Justin L. Abrotsky

P.S.:  Am I the only one who doesn't really dig Oranges and Lemons as much as
they feel they should?  I mean, it has some brilliant lyrics, but the songs
hardly deliver them with justice (in my twisted opinion).

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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:10:47 -0600
From: "Richard" <rjpa1@home.com>
Subject: Chomsky in New York!
Message-ID: <04d101c17701$e0486cc0$02081fac@verisity.com>

New Yorkers!  Go see Chomsky this Wednesday at Lion's Den!  Chomsky is
catchy, polished, guitar-driven pop-rock with a modicum of quirk.
Infectious and fun.  Check them out at MP3.com (those are tracks from their
first CD).

I saw them play last Friday and I'm still buzzing about it (even thought the
venue was a pit).  The opening act, "Koufax" (www.koufaxmusic.com) was some
nice pop-rock too.  Chomsky doesn't get up north very often.  This gig is a
"showcase" so they'll be in top performance mode.

Friday night they were having some trouble with the sound check (one bad
cable and a mislabelled mic or two at the mixer) and broke into an impromtu
version of "Burning With Optimisms Flame" to give the soundman some puzzle
pieces.

They have contributed a pumping, Chomskified version of "Earn Enough For Us"
for the long lost King For A Day tribute (mastering is done and the CDs are
on their way back, Mr. Peabody).

Check out http://www.cegmusic.com/lionsden.html for Chomsky gig details (I
just hope that the Busby Berkeley Memorial Semaphore Club at Friday's gig
don't make the journey to NYCNY - they were a bit... odd.)

At the URL you'll find schedules, directions and ticket purchase info.

Wednesday, November 28
Creative Entertainment Group presents Big Stone 4 (10pm) / Better Days (9pm)
/ Rules of the Fort (8pm) / Chomsky (7pm)
U.S.$8.00

Lion's Den
214 Sullivan Street
(Between Bleecker and West 3rd Street)
New York City
212/477-2782

I hope this gets posted in time for some Chalkies to show!

Cheers,
Richard

p.s. Mention my name and if they don't say, "Who?" you'll save $1 per CD!!

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