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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 7, Number 48

                Thursday, 6 September 2001


I've been taken for lost and gone and I've known for a long long time
                  This one's pink thing
               Re: Josie and the Pussycats
                     Little Greenman
                Brian (Wilson) Paints Andy
                     A few things...
                      Blurry rambles
                     anal corrections
                      greenman is...
                         Re: re.
                    Re: state of shock
                  "Awaken You Dreamers"
                  liner note--note noted
            Wasp Star Vol 2 is like Abbey Road
      Help! and What becomes of the Chalkhills site?
              Skylarking with only 12 songs?
                     Re: Andy vs Blur
                       An earful...
                That there's an XTC lyric!
                     Reduced site!!!!
                    RE: Shocking stuff
              A Wilson-Partridge composition
                    XTC's Album Sales


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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:58:29 -0500
From: "Wiencek, Dan" <>
Subject: I've been taken for lost and gone and I've known for a long long time
Message-ID: <>

Harrison wrote:

> A mutual friend recently gave Brian Wilson a copy of AV1
> and Wasp Star.

Mutual friend of Brian's and Andy's? Yours and Andy's? Me confusee.

> Wilson apparently loved them, to the extent that he expressed
> interest in a collaboration with Partridge. Wilson is now on R&R
> following his recent tour, and will have more to say on the matter
> when he's finished resting up.  Partridge has some pretty grave
> reservations about the gig--Wilson's had a, er, colorful past, and
> Andy wants to assess what extent this colorfulness has affected his
> musical decision-making faculties--not to mention his capacity to
> put two sentences together without drooling on his lap.  Andy's also
> a bit worried that his own prickliness about musical matters might
> put Wilson off.  So don't hold your breath... (But Lordy Lordosis,
> wouldn't that be *nice*?)

Wow, this is *totally* like a really embarrassing fanboy daydream I once
had, about meeting Brian in St. Charles (back when he lived there) and
giving him a copy of AV1. There's no way Brian *couldn't* be knocked out by

FWIW, Steve Dahl, or local talk radio giant, is a friend of Brian's and
helped him out with his last studio album, "Imagination" (he co-wrote the
title song). He said, in no uncertain terms, that despite Brian's remaining
brilliance it was producer Joe Thomas who was really responsible for getting
the album together, and that without a stable hand on the tiller Brian is
pretty lost. So I think any collaboration (other than just getting together
to write songs) would entail Andy doing the lion's share of the work.

Still, even if Brian was an inarticulate freak, how could you turn down that


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:01:23 -0500
From: "Wiencek, Dan" <>
Subject: This one's pink thing
Message-ID: <>

Eric wrote:

> > This is quite a stretch, but at one time
> >Colin was apparently asked to tour with Pink
> >Floyd after Roger Waters left.
> Was this before they got Rick Wright back? And
> does anyone notice how Nick Mason sounds like
> Colin in "Coming Back to Life"?

It was for the Momentary Lapse tour, for which Rick Wright was playing with
the band again but not yet a fully reinstated member. And that's Dave
Gilmour singing "Coming Back to Life," unless it's Nick Mason's drum track
that somehow reminds you of Colin.

A day where I can spread some Floyd knowledge is a good day.

Dan W.


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:08:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "April Zappaterrini" <>
Subject: Re: Josie and the Pussycats
Message-ID: <28202.>

> JOSIE AND THE PUSSYCATS ("Jason And The Argonauts")
> "We'vegotlongtailsandearsforhats thereisnotimeforpurrsorpatswith
> Jo-sie and the pus-sy-caaaaats!"

I was reading this at work and this little song almost made me fall out of
my chair laughing. Please write a verse for it...? :-D

> I'm puzzled...does anyone know what the "Greenman" is?
> Craig in DC

I was puzzled like you until I read this beautiful website:
The Search for The Green Man



Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:49:58 EDT
Subject: Little Greenman
Message-ID: <>

Hi! I've been delaying my inevitable posting but could not rest with Craig in
DC pondering Greenman. Of course it is about an alien that takes over earth,
"..bow down to the greenman..."  Like Nicole, also from the last mailing, I
traveled to England but also with kids in tow and XTC in my head. It was
amazing how XTC permeates England, for a chalkhead anyway.  You can hear how
Tower Of London is just the right tempo to trudge up the steps of it to.  If
I could walk on my hands into London, I would have. Another xtcmoment was in
Paris where there was a fair/carnival at the Tuilieres Gardens and a game
booth called "Lovely". It had various items, i.e. vase, lamp, toaster, that
you had to throw a hoop around to win.  My mind immediately jumped to a video
of the song with Mr.Partridge in the booth singing and hawking his wares. So
when can I expect more new music from these guys?? Its the only source I can
count on. By the way, My husband and I both share the birthday, 11-11, with
Andy.  A friend once told me I am an honorary member of the 11-11 club. It
was a group that has experienced the phenomena of being stoned and looking at
a  digital clock at exactly 11:11 and thinking the clock broke or something
was wrong. Uh-huh, okay well maybe you had to be there.  Hey, maybe Greenman
is really about money....ya think?
                                Ginny  of Philadelphia


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:51:54 -0400
From: Tony Picco <>
Subject: Brian (Wilson) Paints Andy
Message-ID: <>

<<Partridge has some pretty grave reservations about the gig--Wilson's had
a, er, colorful past, and Andy wants to assess what extent this colorfulness
has affected his musical decision-making faculties--not to mention his
capacity to put two sentences together without drooling on his lap. Andy's
also a bit worried that his own prickliness about musical matters might put
Wilson off. So don't hold your breath... (But Lordy Lordosis, wouldn't that
be *nice*?>>

Gosh, that's some unneccessarily nasty commentary about Brian Wilson...
didn't your mother teach you to be civil? Don't you know we're all light? (I
read that somewhere.) And personally, I think Andy's too much of a control
freak to easily collaborate with. Brian may be too fragile for Andy.

tony picco


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:03:24 -0700
From: "Drude" <>
Subject: A few things...
Message-ID: <000201c13236$773b91e0$>

Hello Hillians...

XTC in the news...

The latest copy of Maxim Blender Magazine has an interview with Andy Dick,
the bizarro drug-addled 'comedian' from News Radio and various awful movies.
They ask him to rate some of his favourite albums, and lo! and behold, who
should make it onto his list but our pals XTC!

This is his review of Skylarking...

"This is one of my top five albums of all time.  From start to finish, it
will take you out of your brain and out of your body, and your soul will go
on a trip and you'll come back a different person.  This might be sacrilege
to say, but it is beyond The Beatles.  It takes The Beatles into the 3000

Sacrilege definitely, but an accurate review I'd say...

In other news...

Whilst recently rummaging through my wealth of possessions (I'm moving to
the east coast of Canada...Halifax to be precise...hmmmm....bricks and
fog...can't wait -- been on the west coast far too long...), I stumbled upon
several XTC items I had somehow forgotten I owned (!!!).  If anyone has any
information on rarity/value/etc...  I'd love to know (no, they are not for

1. A contemporary Drums and Wires white T-shirt (not-so-white anymore, but
surprisingly un-faded).
2. The 3 mini-CD version of Oranges and Lemons.
3. The vinyl singles of Love on a Farmboys Wages, No Thugs, and This World
Over, all complete with their respective postcards/inserts, etc... T.W.O is
actually still sealed...
4.  A Wonderland 7' picture disc!!!
5.  A mini-CD of Mayor Of Simpleton.
and, strangest of all, as I have never seen or heard of one before...
6.  A mini-CD single of King For A Day, packaged in a crown-shaped cardboard
sleeve (!!??)

While I know I got some of this stuff in the early 80's as it was released,
I can't for the life of me remember where some of these items came from!!!!
Must be all those drugs I did in the 80's....

...wait, I didn't DO drugs in the 80's...



Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:58:23 +0000
From: "Tim Brooks" <>
Subject: Blurry rambles
Message-ID: <>

Just to add my tuppence (will this soon become tupEuro?)on this topic.
Darren Kamble's response was pretty much spot on. I asked the question to
the Blur fan club list after Paul Culnane's original post and got the
following reponse from the guy that runs the Blur FC who has close links
with the band so its pretty definitive

>Re: Andy Partridge Sessions
>According to 3862 Days...
>Sunday Sunday, Coping and Seven Days.
>Years ago I did hear SS and Coping at the Food offices.  They weren't bad
>at all.  There was a certain XTC-ness about them, but the songs were pretty
>much as they are today.  Sunday Sunday had a few gimmickey sound effects I
>I read in the latest Q that Andy Partridge was sacked from producing Mary
>Margaret O'Hara once too.  Has he ever produced anyone succesfully?
>Oh, and no.  The sessions have never "sneaked out".  Nothing ever does leak
>from Food.
>Martin - Blur FC

So Darren I think your first born is safe as these sessions are not
available, you'd regret it afterwards anyway, think of the strife from the
misses :).

If this isn't the case then I too would be more than interested.

Andy once described him and Todd in the same studio as two Hitlers in the
same bunker, think this probably applies equally to Andy and Damon in the
same studio.

>On the plus side, Blur's cover of Elvis >Costello's "Oliver's Army" is
>about as close an approximation of XTC covering the song as one can

It is? I'll try again but to these ears its always sounded pretty dire,
still better than their cover of Substitute by the Who!!

Pleased to see I'm not the only Blur fan on the list, I'm always surprised
that they are not mentioned more here as I see much in Blur that I love in

TMB over and out

>From the same album, (could be by Partridge though!)
"Sunday here again a walk in the park
You meet an old soldier and talk of the past
He fought for us in two world wars and
The England he knew is no more
He sings the Songs of Praise but always falls asleep
For that Sunday sleep"


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:18:32 +0100
Subject: anal corrections
Message-ID: <>

A few corrections from previous postings
1) "My Love" AND "No More Lonely Nights",
neither of which were Wings songs...!
Sorry by My love was by Wings. There are quite a few non-wings tracks
on Wingspan (which does make the whole concept a bit pointless) but My
love was off Red Rose Speedway by Paul McCartney and WINGS!
2)> The first word on the first song on the first
>album of the Beatles' is "well".
Actually the first word was "one" from the count-in as in
"one,two,three,four..." but as this is a number I guess I'm being a
little picky!


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:28:03 -0400
From: Tony Picco <>
Subject: greenman is...
Message-ID: <>

<<I'm puzzled...does anyone know what the "Greenman" is?>>

Personally, my interpretation is "Greenman" stands for nature and/or
nature-based living. My brother, who's a Wiccan, says he feels the song
describes Wiccan beliefs... (FYI - Wiccan is the original nature-based
religion that came to be misrepresented as 'witches" and "warlocks")
tony picco


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:55:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: eriC draveS <>
Subject: Re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re.
Message-ID: <>


> Even though I have no idea which novel
>Douglas Adams was talking about, I am
>'virtually certain' that the message of the
>novel was, in fact, indeed, 42.

I have the limited edition of the book he was
talking about, Adams fans call it H2G2, people
such as myself call it "The Hitchhiker's Guide
to the Galaxy". The book has illustrations and
a hologram cover and COSTS $42.
Compleat waste of money. I should've saved it
for the XTC remasters, which I might add are


> The album, entitled "Instant Toons", will
>debut on a Saturday morning this fall.

Great post, I didn't see it coming and banged
my head against it like Martin Short in "Three
Fugitives" (which therefore must be three times
as great as Harrison Ford's "The Fugitive").

"Hey put away that ray!
How do you Martians say,
'Oh Dear!'"

My favorite parodies of XTC songs are by me. I
wrote one about Terminator 2 set to "War Dance":
"There's an epidermis
That morphs under his skin
Even the old combatants
Are trying hard to win
Well they ain't seen Arnold like that
Since Ju-u-udgement Day
But when the cyborgs roll
And the bullets take their toll
You know the blood comes out in spray..."



>(as the husband so richly commented, "Are
>these guys from Africa?" And, oddly, I was NOT
>listening to "Nearly Africa" when he said
>this...hmmmm. Of course, he used to think REM
>were British until I taught him better.)

Kurt Cobain liked a Scots group named "Captain
America"... I also made people guess who sang
Duran Duran's cover of "White Lines".
Strangely, though nobody guessed it was D2,
nobody thought it was a hiphop group either.
(Sounds like one.)


> Well, of course I'm an XTC fan.  Have been
>since the late 70's.  Oh, you mean THAT Mike

At least it isn't the Michael Myers of the
Halloween movies.


> "They're the Bubonic Plague, expressed in
>music. They're the Pop Top Ten if you're
>dancing about with buboes and pustules in your
>armpits, and have 15 minutes left to live.
>They're Pieter Breughel in a Box."

"Buboes: You know you want it."
Someone's trying to give the Dynamic Duo ideas
for their next album, hmmm...?
Or is this an announcement for a Pieter
Breughel box set? I've seen it in a painting.


> 4) A mutual friend recently gave Brian Wilson
>a copy of AV1 and Wasp Star. Wilson apparently
>loved them, to the extent that he expressed
>interest in a collaboration with Partridge.

Nice... but the burning question is, did
somebody play him "So Pale And Precious"?


> I'm puzzled...does anyone know what the
>"Greenman" is? I've been singing along to that
>catchy tune on Apple Venus for quite awhile
>without thinking what the lyrics were really
>about but recently I thought "what the hell is
>this song about?" Any help/insight would be

This isn't it, but it fits a comic strip
character I used to draw as a child. He was
called Zoom, and he was green and millions of
years old. Also, he was a king once, so
"Please to bend down..." fit him nicely too.
I think it would make a good theme song for the
character, but he hasn't appeared in any
projects lately because I'm always reading
these quite entertaining Chalkhills posts, oh,
and being an adult too.


When I first bought an XTC album, "Nonsuch", it
was advertised with three other albums as part
of a display of "Alternative" music. To that
point, I had only heard of "Alternative" as
Nirvana, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, Nine Inch Nails
etc., so I had thought that the "N" section was
selling too slowly so they cooked this up.

Later I thought "Alternative" was a secret
codeword for "Gay", so I generally "Stayed
Away" from them all except Nirvana. (I had no
idea what THEY were either.)
I saw the Nonsuch cover and thought, "Hmmm...
I've got this sixteen bucks going around
unspent, the cover looks cool, what's the worst
that could happen? Apart from their album title
starting with 'N'?"

My greatest fear was that it would turn out to
be non-rock, to the extent that it was all
Gregorian chants! Well, a medieval themed cover
does that to newcomers. When I opened it all
up... OH NO! There's a Dave GREGORY in it! Plus
they don't LOOK like a rock band! (Probably a
common complaint of non-fans.)

My experiences with XTC are like time travel.
For one thing, when I bought the back albums,
everything sounded familiar, like I'd heard
most of it on the radio before. But I'd NEVER
heard of XTC until I bought Nonsuch!

When I'd heard Dave Gregory left, for some
stupid reason all I could think about was,
"Did he take the X with him???"

Are there any XTC songs that you hear and love,
only to forget them and rack your brains trying
to remember them, then play the CD again and
suddenly remember it, then keep humming it to
yourself for hours in an heroic effort to put
it into your mind, only to forget it all over
again? This has only happened to me once, but
it was the Madness song "On the Beat Pete".
Damn, I forgot the tune again, I have to go and
play it now.

Well, I have to catch the last balloon, so this
is bye-bye.

eriC draveS

"They HATED HER!!!!!"


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:43:18 EDT
Subject: Re: state of shock
Message-ID: <>

state of shock was the lovely song by Mick and the King of pop.  Now someone
please shoot me for remembering that without even thinking.....



Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 07:47:16 -0700
From: "John Keel" <>
Subject: "Awaken You Dreamers"
Message-ID: <003701c132f4$ff6e1ce0$90525d3f@xtc>

Hi kids,

I have finally - after years of wishing, hoping & planning - finished my own
personal 4-CD set of XTC favs, which I call "Awaken You Dreamers!".  The
waiting benefited in that I was able to make my collection from all of the
new remastered discs, so the sound is great.  I spent hours figuring out
which songs faded out or faded in, started hard with drums or soft with
piano, etc.  But, now it's done and I can enjoy the fruit of my labor.  I
won't bother to go into track listings, but I didn't include any demos due
to sound/volume variations, but with any luck the new collections coming out
will take care of most of that.  Each disc contains one Dukes song at track
9 (which I wish I could say was a preplanned wink to "Number 9, number 9,
number 9) but it was just an accident on the first two discs, so I kept the
practice up on the last two.  I also ended up with more songs from "Nonsuch"
somehow, none from "Go 2" except the bonus "Are You Receiving Me?" and I
think only  one from "Mummer" (get over it Deb).  But, hey, these are MY
favorites, so there.

Speaking of the remastered discs, Angie said in her last post: "(sorry, I
can't, nor will I ever I fear, be able to spring for the remasters)".  I
think I've posted this before, but if you're concerned with paying import
prices on the new discs (this is for those of you in the U.S.) - I know that
here in L.A. I've seen them priced from $21 to $30 - the higher priced ones
were found at Virgin, of course - then go to up in Canada.  The
exchange rate is fantastic and you can order the UK remasters for only
$11.84 U.S. and the limited edition Japanese ones for only $13.81 each.  I'm
not sure about shipping and handling, but I know that they had at one time a
"buy four and the shipping is free" deal.  That may have just been a limited
time thing though, so check it out.  Either way, it's a dirt cheap price for
these discs.

That is all.



Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:01:01 -0500
From: Chris Vreeland <>
Subject: liner note--note noted
Message-ID: <a05100303b7b6a5eaedb7@[]>

This raised an eyebrow: wrote:
>Subject: You know the more it seems we talk about it...
>snip...... the only people being paid anything for this
>thing are the artist doing the cover and the hapless goober writing the liner
>notes essay.   unsnip

Self-deprecatory inference detected? Anyway, congrats on the gig! ;-)

Chris "Or correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm never wrong" Vreeland


Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:28:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wasser Dan <>
Subject: Wasp Star Vol 2 is like Abbey Road
Message-ID: <>

Hello everyone.  I'm brand new to this
site/newsletter.  Hope this posting is not TOO boring
or out-of-date.

1.  Wasp Star Vol 2 is XTC's Abbey Road.  I've given
it as gifts to several people and they all can't
believe how great it is.  Everyone (including me)
LOVES it.  (And, I say that Skylarking is XTC's Sgt.

2.  The original demo/version of Man Who Murdered Love
(on Homespun) could easily have fit on Rubber Soul.

3.  The Chalkhills newsletter looks suspiciously like
the Crimson Elephant Talk newsletter.  Why?  (Why

My favs:  XTC, Crimson, ELP, Queen, Beatles, Kate
Bush, Zappa.



Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:58:39 +0200
From: Johan Ekdahl <>
Subject: Help! and What becomes of the Chalkhills site?
Message-ID: <>

Stopping by at the (soon-to-be-crippled?) Chalkhills site i wandered into
the realms of Adrian Belew and The Bears.

If any of You 'hillers can help me with this I would be very greatful:

1) The Bears has released a new CD "Car Caught Fire" but it is not possible
to order it from outside of US/canada (yet?). Is someone willing to help me
with this? (eg. Order the record and forwarding it to me).

2) I have been hunting for Adrian Belew's "Inner Revolution". As I
understand it this one is out of print. Any of You know of internet-based
second-hand record shops that possibly would carry this item?

Any and all help is highly appreciated!

As fot the "slaughter" of the Chalkhills site this is sad news indeed! John:
As I understand it the site will not go in its entirely. Any ideas of what
to throw and what to keep? If You have to throw "reference material" - how
about a "CD tree" for those interested?

  --Johan Ekdahl, Sweden (


Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: electric bassplayer <>
Subject: Skylarking with only 12 songs?
Message-ID: <>

A friend of mine says he has a copy of Skylarking with only 12 songs.
Anyone know what this is?



Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 16:52:46 -0400
From: "Mike Wood" <>
Subject: Re: Andy vs Blur
Message-ID: <>

Paul Culnane wrote:
>A friend of mine was inquiring about the availability of the recordings
>that Andy produced for Blur.  These tapes were supposed to form the basis
>of the "Modern Life Is Rubbish" album, but were scrapped.

Nathan Mulac DeHoff added:
>Does anyone know which songs for this album Andy was supposed to produce?

The following is from Blur's excellent official-biography, '3862 Days', by
Stuart Maconie:

GRAHAM COXON: "I was a big XTC fan. I liked the idea of Andy Partridge
producing us. It was the band's idea. Damon went to his house to work on his
four-track and saw his painted soldiers. We did some stuff at The Church in
Crouch End. The trouble was that it ended up sounding like Andy Partridge's
music at that time. You might want to sound like The Eagles but not Don
Henley, you know. We enjoyed working with him. It was fun... but he had this
horrible way of saying 'Trust me' - and I don't trust people who say that.
So there was a slightly nasty atmosphere between me and him sometimes. Balfe
and Andy really liked what we'd done, which I couldn't understand."

DAMON ALBARN: "We started to work with Andy Partridge but that went wrong
very quickly. He had this weird habit of regularly saying 'Don't make the
mistakes that I made.' There was a very odd vibe. it's fairly well known
that he's quite insecure. Maybe because he didn't write 'Making Plans For
Nigel.' I don't think he really knows how to be a producer. For various
reasons it didn't work but what I did get out of that was an eight-track
that he sold to me which I still use. That was great."

Three songs were recorded in the eventually aborted sessions: 'Sunday
Sunday', 'Coping', and 'Seven Days'. None have ever seen the light of day
although the first two, re-recorded with Stephen Street, appeared on Modern
Life Is Rubbish.

      - Mike Wood -
   "It's toe-tappingly tragic!"


Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 16:57:21 -0400
From: Ben Gott <>
Subject: An earful...
Message-ID: <>


I couldn't help but think of Andy Partridge as I lay in bed last night,
pounding my head against the pillow, awaiting an inevitable ruptured
eardrum.  I always liked his description of "banging [his] head against the
wall."  God, the pain is excruciating.

So now I'm left with a week's worth of antibiotics, a left ear that doesn't
hear very well, and Prefab Sprout's "Looking for Atlantis" (the song I was
listening to before bed, and the song that I hummed through the three-hour
ear ordeal).  And how was *your* Labor Day?


Benjamin Gott
Department of English
The Rectory School
Pomfret, CT 06258


Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:02:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: frippy <>
Subject: That there's an XTC lyric!
Message-ID: <>

I just recently moved to St. Louis and had some XTC-related things to
contribute to make the next digest more lengthy.

First of all, the tragic news.  After thorough unpacking and exhaustive
searching, it appears my copy of The Big Express decided not to come with
me!  AUUUGH!  OHowever, I've decided to see the positive side to this -- I
now have a perfectly justifiable reason to buy the snazzy remastered
version.  Perhaps I should start conveniently losing my other old XTC

Secondly, I was in some novelty shop in aforementioned Midwestern city and
saw a large button that said: "Dear God: Did you make mankind after we
made you?"  An unauthorized, uncredited, incomplete XTC lyric on a
button!  Has anyone else seen this?  I was going to spend my money on this
object, but decided I'd rather have the vintage Peanuts buttons
instead.  I couldn't scan it for you anyhow.

- frippy


Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:06:49 EDT
Subject: Reduced site!!!!
Message-ID: <>

Hello all,
            The news that Chalkhills will be greatly reduced is very sad.
After all the effort put in by our esteemed host over so many years, not to
mention countless contributors it seems that it will mostly have to be tucked
away until some other means to support this wonderful website can be
arranged. That is essentially the gist of this posting - How can we help? I
lack technical knowledge of any use to suggest an alternative I fear, but is
there any way we can exert pressure on the people behind this decision? I
have written via the link on the news page, but as yet no reply. Dearest
John, is there anything we can do?????

                                            Lord Seds of Shrewsbury

                                            (appointed by her Royal Majesty,
The Worrier Queen!)


Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:07:03 +0100
From: "David Smith" <>
Subject: RE: Shocking stuff
Message-ID: <>

Hello Hillers . . .

eriC draveS askeD

> Anyone remember the song by the unlikely duo of
> Mick Jagger and Michael Jackson? Ten points to
> the first Chalkhillian who remembers it. And no
> peeking on

Ooo sir, me sir, at least I think sir . . . twould be
"State of Shock" where the young-ish Mick (and his band
of brothers, who are strangely black-skinned!) did the
singing while the old Mick (who's actually darker skinned
than the Jackson lad) contributed the line "C'mon there baby".

Class, without the "cl".

Still, I do like Michael's new offering. Sorry, but I do!

Harrison informed us:

> 4) A mutual friend recently gave Brian Wilson a copy of AV1 and Wasp Star.
> Wilson apparently loved them, to the extent that he expressed
> interest in a
> collaboration with Partridge. . .Andy's also a bit worried that his
> own prickliness about musical matters might put Wilson off.
> So don't hold your breath... (But Lordy Lordosis, wouldn't that
> be *nice*?)

Nice? NICE? They'd murder each other within the first five minutes!

Smudge Done


Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:37:18 +0100
From: John Morrish <>
Subject: A Wilson-Partridge composition
Message-ID: <>

The thought of Brian Wilson and Andy Partridge working together reminds me
of that alleged Chinese curse, sometimes translated as "May your dreams come

On one level, it's hard to imagine anything more glorious. But you can
understand Andy's caution. Brian has been making regular comebacks since
approximately 1969, his career proper having only lasted about five years.
In each case, the driving force seemed to be someone other than Brian

Consider Holland, where Brian had to be bullied relentlessly by manager Jack
Rieley and his old pal Van Dyke Parks to finish Sail On Sailor so Capitol
would accept the album. Consider the "Brian Is Back" campaign accompanying
15 Big Ones, when he was still in "Bigfoot" mode but was made to "surf" as
part of an agonising TV special.

Then there was the whole Eugene Landy saga, when Brian trotted out a lot of
songs written as occupational therapy, with "Dr" Landy as lyricist (on half
the royalties). Then Don Was brought him back again... Then there was the
country and western producer he hooked up with for his last solo album...

The current renaissance is particularly intriguing. Last year he toured Pet
Sounds (anyone see it? I wish I had), and now he's often quoted making
knowledgeable remarks about all those hip young bands who want nothing
better than to surf along in his colossal wake. To all intents and purpose
he's a contemporary artist again, making his own intelligent career choices
and being part of the music scene. Which hardly seems like Brian at all.

It's certainly nothing like the Brian I interviewed a few years ago. He was
in London to promote the first solo album and he was in sorry shape. Just to
meet him was one of the greatest moments of my life, and I wasn't
disappointed, but it was one of the weirdest interviews I have ever

He was barely with me at all, gripping the edge of his seat to keep himself
going. After every question, his eyes rolled up into his head and I wondered
whether he was ever going to come back. A tall blond "surf Nazi" kept coming
in to massage his shoulders and whisper encouragement just to keep him
going. And what little he actually said was grotesque. He solemnly assured
me that he wasn't a genius. The real genius, he said, was Dr Landy. Hadn't
Dr Landy written most of the words on the album, and produced it, etc?

Some people took the view that he was "acting out", knowingly performing
this mental-patient routine so as to avoid connecting with the real world.
I'm not sure I buy that.

I hope his recovery is as complete and genuine as it appears. But if I was
Andy I'd want to know all about the people surrounding him, and what they

Still, it could be a wonderful collaboration. It is arguable that they have
a lot in common: self-educated, highly original, perfectionist, stubborn.
That genius word is lurking somewhere, too. I think genius is really
"extreme aptitude". Andy is a fizzing ball of verbal and musical energy,
originality and intelligence. Brian seems to have been a bit like that in
62-67, but his real abilities, unlike Andy's, were almost entirely musical.

Comparisons are odorous, but I find that Brian's music touches me more
directly than Andy's ever has. He established a sound world that was all his
own, and then, with Pet Sounds, changed everyone's expectations of what pop
music could be. (The B**tles have always acknowledged that.) Andy has been
as much the beneficiary of that as anyone.

Of course, Brian started working in a time of formulaic, impersonal, vapid
music (rather like now, you might say), so he stood out and was given a
chance, whereas Andy was one more young provincial star expressing his
individuality when that was the norm.

Whether that devalues Wilson's achievement is a moot point. All I would say
is that true genius creates the taste it goes on to fulfil. Everyone here
loves Andy's music, but it has never been exactly persuasive to the rest of
the world: and if we have to have a league table that lack of persuasiveness
-- Andy's choice, on some level -- must place Andy's music behind Brian's.

After a long patch of enormous creativity, I sense things have slowed down a
bit for Andy. If he works with Brian, he can expect a great deal of
frustration and tedium, but perhaps a little bit of magic. What has he got
to lose, except possibly a few illusions? They say you should never meet
your heroes, but I don't agree. And to work with them...

John Morrish

Internet stuff for journalists


Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: travis schulz <>
Subject: XTC's Album Sales
Message-ID: <>

Just curious if anyone might be able to shed some
light on how well XTC's studio albums have sold.  Did
Oranges and Lemons ever make it to Gold in The U.S.?
Mummer?  Black Sea?


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