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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 7, Number 46

                 Thursday, 23 August 2001

Topics:

                       flying pigs
                     Re: flying pigs
                     Porcine Aviation
             Re: beautiful XTC wood carvings
  There might be flying pigs, but it's all a Blur to me
                   XTC Show of Tuesdays
                         Damascus
                   Off-topic: Ben Folds
               Posts (Three Different Ones)
                         Piggies
                         Oh Well!
      Los Lobos 2 degrees of seperation from XTC???
                        xtc covers
                          XTSea
                        XTC Night
                  Mike Myers = XTC fan?

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:17:20 +0100
From: Jason Witcher <JasonW@teletext.co.uk>
Subject: flying pigs
Message-ID: <32D4AD886C11D511955C00508BAD1C1001983FB0@exchback.teletext.dom>

A flying pig is something impossible - usually the response to someone
saying something you feel will never happen, as in:
"XTC are touring next month!"
"Oh yeah, and pigs will fly!"

Jason

> From: "Lisette Proulx" <lisette@quatuor.cc>
>
> what does "flying pigs" means ?
> we find it in a few XTC songs: In another life. My brown guitar) and i
> can't figure it out...

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Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 06:30:46 -0700
From: strwbrry@tidepool.com
Subject: Re: flying pigs
Message-ID: <3B6E9C04.E5D506E@tidepool.com>

>dear chalkaliens,

>what does "flying pigs" means ?
>we find it in a few XTC songs: In another life. My brown guitar) and i can't
>figure it out...

>lisette

"When pigs fly" is a reference to the impossible.

Stephen

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:14:32 +0100
From: Steve.Pitts@i-tcs.com
Subject: Porcine Aviation
Message-ID: <OF97ED2C17.59E86DE7-ON80256AA0.0044BDBB@i-tcs.com>

Chalkfolks,

In #7-45 Lisette Proulx wondered:

> what does "flying pigs" means ? <

It comes from the common (at least here in England) expression 'pigs might
fly' (or variations thereon), used  to designate something that is very
unlikely to happen (eg. England winning a Test Match - cf. In Another
Life). Pink Floyd's Animals album cover (and the Pigs On The Wing tracks)
are another example of this expression 'in action'.

and Drude opined:

> Personally speaking, I LIKE Dear God at the END of Skylarking... <

Having recently acquired most of the remasters (all bar Nonsuch, in fact) I
can safely say that, also personally speaking obviously, I like Skylarking
much better without Dear God at all. In fact, I wonder whether or not it is
significant that, thus far, the two albums that I've listened to the most
in this form are English Settlement & Oranges and Lemons, both of which
have the same track listing that I 'grew up' with (on vinyl in the former
case, CD in the latter). Mummer is definitely better with the bonus tracks
at the end, but in most of the other cases I've gotten used to them being
in the middle (even White Music and Go2 which were completely ingrained in
my subconscious in their original formats).

The one thing that really bugs me about the (UK version of the) remasters
though is the 'presentation'. What is all this 'standardised to 8 pages'
crap?? Why are there no track listings on the CDs themselves?? This would
have been the logical place to list all the tracks, but instead we have the
situation  where it is impossible to tell from the packaging that there are
additional tracks present, nor what they are, nor indeed that they are
'extra'. Add to that the fact that you need a magnifying glass to read the
lyric sheets, and that no lyrics have been provided for the first three
albums, and all I can say is that I'm glad these aren't the only copies of
the albums that I own. I appreciate the attempt to reproduce much of the
original artwork, but why do it in such a way that it is almost illegible??

Finally, WRT to Jamie Lowe's ebb and flow (sheer poetry), how about adding
The Loving (sailors on the seas) and Humble Daisy (battleships and sunken
wreck) and (at a stretch) a couple from the Dukes - Collideascope (mentions
ships and sea) and Pale & Precious (the sea in her hair)

Oh, and Jamie responded to a suggestion:

> 1000 Umbrellas ("I cried 'til I floated DOWNSTREAM") A definite maybe...<

It also includes 'one million salt seas', which ought to clinch it

Cheers, Steve

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Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:57:01 -0400
From: Tony Picco <tpicco@iesna.org>
Subject: Re: beautiful XTC wood carvings
Message-ID: <B794287D.181D%tpicco@iesna.org>

Gee... my girlfriend gave me a crumpled piece of paper for MY birthday and
said it was a replica of the Mummer album cover... (hmmmm)

tony

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Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:18:46 +0000
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <xornom@hotmail.com>
Subject: There might be flying pigs, but it's all a Blur to me
Message-ID: <F106v6r2j8QyOoc8J0F0001138d@hotmail.com>

Lisette:
>what does "flying pigs" means ?
>we find it in a few XTC songs: In another life. My brown guitar) and i
>can't figure it out...

"When pigs fly" is basically a way of saying "never" (sort of like "at 25
o'clock," perhaps?).  I don't know the source of the expression, but it's
pretty common in English, and it's probably what's being referenced in those
songs.

Paul Culnane:
>A friend of mine was inquiring about the availability of the recordings
>that Andy produced for Blur.  These tapes were supposed to form the basis
>of the "Modern Life Is Rubbish" album, but were scrapped.

Does anyone know which songs for this album Andy was supposed to produce?
--
May the light shine upon thee,
Nathan
DinnerBell@tmbg.org
http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:32:07 -0500
From: "Dupuy, James" <James.Dupuy@compaq.com>
Subject: XTC Show of Tuesdays
Message-ID: <4D027986353D1341ADA4F2A4F8A170760CB500@cceexc18.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Hello,
I have managed to get a 2 hr show on Tuesday nights from 8-10pm (central, US
time, 1500-1700 GMT) where I will be doing an all XTC show. This show is
streamed over the internet at www.earthwire.net I tried it out a couple of
time last month and it seemed to go ok despite some initial problems with
the equipment (mostly operator error). I hope you guys can check it out. I
do not know how long I will be able to do it but for now they do not have a
plan for that time slot so they are letting me go for it. The owner/manager
of this site is a big XTC fan and I can only imagine that is one of the
reasons I am getting to do it. I would appreciate any feedback on the set
list. I try to cover the spectrum of XTC music with some kind of flow to it.
It is amazing how easily I can fill in a 2 hour slot with their music and
only cover a small percentage of their material. Those boys are awesome!
Anyway, if you get a chance check it out and if you like feel free to let me
know how it is sounding out there.

the matador

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:40:04 EDT
From: Dbmeier0@aol.com
Subject: Damascus
Message-ID: <c.198e00e5.28a084d4@aol.com>

Yazbek's new album starts out at the peak of the horsepower curve.  And no
matter what gear he's in on the rest of the cd, stays there.  You can't not
like this.

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Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:19:50
From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com>
Subject: Off-topic: Ben Folds
Message-ID: <F190CT4aJ6pkNzPZrIk00000191@hotmail.com>

Just wanted to say that Seb, Averil (my wife) and I saw Ben Folds last
Friday at Newtown RSL in Sydney, doing a one-off show with his new 4-piece
band.

(BTW Boy Lucas thinks that, because Ben's new band had four members, they
ought to be called Ben Folds Six. Can't argue with that logic!)

Suffice to say they played a blinder, and premiered a whole raft of new
stuff from Ben's forthcoming CD, which he mostly recorded himself. It's
called "Rockin' The Suburbs" and it sure does. Bitchen'.

By luck, another friend of mine was there too, and he (A) got me a sneak
preview copy of the new CD, which is utterly brilliant, and (B) tipped me
off about Ben's appearance on cable TV at the nearby Channel V studios the
next day. So we rocked along with the kids, watched them play live, and Boy
Lucas and sisyter Amy got to meet their hero Ben, which was a real thrill
for all of us. He seems like a really pleasant chap and he was very nice to
the kids.

Anyway, get the new album. It's superb. Two listens and I was HOOKED.

Dunks

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: eriC draveS <zoom98@sega.net>
Subject: Posts (Three Different Ones)
Message-ID: <200108061851.f76IpvE06770@outmail6.pacificnet.net>

FORCE THE ISSUE?

>Whaddya think the chances are of Colin or
Dave teaching a yoga class?

About the same as Frank Oz teaching a Yoda
class. But they ourghta stick to music. Like
what Douglas Adams said: "[There is] no message
[in my novel]. If I wanted a message, I would
have written a message. I wrote a book."
----

PUBS AND CLUBS AND OPENING OURS

> There are a few fans who are considering
setting up our own Yahoo group. I don't think
that there is a group for this, if there is
please let me know.

It's called "XTC England's Glory" and it can
be found amongst the endless clubs about doing
drugs.
As for collectability, I don't see why you
couldn't just ask if anyone would be interested
in trading. That way we don't have to switch
back and forth between clubs.
----

THIS LITTLE PIGGY WENT TO AIRPORT

> what does "flying pigs" means ?
> we find it in a few XTC songs: In another
life. My brown guitar) and i can't
> figure it out...

"If you've studied your Floyd properly,
you'd know that pigs can fly."
--Primus, "The Air is Getting Slippery"

The saying goes, "Sure, when pigs fly." It
is one of the oldest forms of sarcasm. Pink
Floyd elevated flying pigs to a new level in
their album "Animals" (1977). While they were
shooting the cover for said album, the giant
pig balloon escaped from its tethering and
proceeded to drive people's senses of reality
askew. Pilots seeing it at 4000 feet (1219
metres) who reported it were considered drunk,
for example.
----

Until next time, we should put the post
behind us.

eriC draveS

"Everything is Buzz Buzz,
Everything is Beep Beep"

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:10:05 -0400
From: "hjstrole@earthlink.net" <hjstrole@earthlink.net>
Subject: Piggies
Message-ID: <RELAY20t1Yk3zp2IZuS000007bb@relay2.softcomca.com>

<what does "flying pigs" means ?
<we find it in a few XTC songs: In another life. My brown guitar) and i
<can't figure it out...

Lisette,

I believe they are referring to the phrase, "When pigs fly," which is used
to signify that a situation is unlikely.

However, Pink Floyd fans may note a reference to the Animals LP,
which had a balloon of a flying pig sailing over a factory.  The Floyd
were also known to fly the pig over venues that they were playing at.
This legendary pig was also mentioned on The Simpsons when
Homer was on Lalapalooza, Peter Frampton was one of the guest
artists and he exclaimed he bought his defective pig at Pink Floyd's
garage sale.  None of this has anything to do with XTCs use of the
flying pig metaphor/simile/alliteration (English majors help).

This is quite a stretch, but at one time Colin was apparently asked to
tour with Pink Floyd after Roger Waters left.  Ah, yes XTC content.

Harry

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Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:25:41 +1000
From: "Amy Gardner" <amy_gardner52@hotmail.com>
Subject: Oh Well!
Message-ID: <F91FOAmEaJswFCHOzyf00000454@hotmail.com>

Fellow Chalkhillians,

I made an interesting discovery the other day. The first word of the first
song on the first album of the Beatles' is "well". It's also the first word
of Radios In Motion, which (needless to say) is the first song on XTC's
debut album, white music.  A nice little coincidence that ties together the
two greatest bands. I recently joined this mailing list and I'm chuffed to
learn that so many people love XTC. I'm at uni in Australia and I'm
constantly frustrated by peoples' lack of interest in my kind of music. Most
people at uni haven't even heard XTC. But, it's their loss. I'm glad to see
that so many other people out there in cyberspace can appreciate true
talent.

Cheers.

Amy G.

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:37:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Los Lobos 2 degrees of seperation from XTC???
Message-ID: <20010807163756.40192.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com>

This is from the Los Lobos discussion group, thought
you might find it interesting:

Sources say John Leckie is being considered for
Producer of the next Los Lobos
album.

 From the All-music Guide
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Blf5uak3k5m3m

Producer John Leckie

Long one of the British pop scene's most prolific and
acclaimed producers, John Leckie began his career as a
tape operator and engineer at the legendary Abbey Road
studios, where he worked on such high-profile
projects as George Harrison's All Things Must Pass,
John Lennon's Plastic Ono Band and Pink Floyd's Dark
Side of the Moon. His production career began in
1976 with Be-Bop Deluxe's Sunburst Finish; Leckie left
Abbey Road to go freelance two years later, quickly
becoming one of the top producers of the immediate
post-punk era with his work on acclaimed efforts
including the Adverts' Crossing the Red Sea with the
Adverts, XTC's White Music, Magazine's Real Life and
Public Image Limited's debut single "Public Image." A
series of recordings with frequent collaborators Bill
Nelson and Simple Minds followed, and in 1984 Leckie
also began working with Felt (their full-length debut
The Strange Idols Pattern and Other Short Stories)
and the Fall (The Wonderful and Frightening World of
the Fall). His major contribution to the era, however,
was the 1989 self-titled debut of the Stone Roses, one
of the landmark British pop albums of its time; in the

decade to follow, Leckie also helmed acclaimed
releases from the Verve (the brilliant A Storm in
Heaven), Radiohead (The Bends) and Kula Shaker

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:48:20 -0500
From: Bill Sherlock <bdsherlock@juno.com>
Subject: xtc covers
Message-ID: <20010807.122116.-382963.3.bdsherlock@juno.com>

Greetings from a steamy Chicago,

Lately I've been using some of the file sharing programs to look for
cover versions of our heroes' songs. I've found but a few and managed to
download only one so far (ah, the joys of a 56K modem!), a quite
realistic version of "Are You Receiving Me" by the Jayhawks. At any rate,
I am still looking and if anyone could direct me to any artist that has
seen fit to cover any XTC song I would really appreciate it.

Wishing she'd treat me like a snowman,
Bill Sherlock

"I should be in bed, I need my 11 hours. I'm a real sleep addict. I started
off just napping. Then I got into the harder stuff...siestas. Before I knew
what was happening I was a sleep junkie."  Andy Partridge, Melody Maker,
8-18-79

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:46:37 -1000
From: Jim Smart <jismart@ksbe.edu>
Subject: XTSea
Message-ID: <200108090553.APL38135@mailrelay.ksbe.edu>

Jamie:

Great list of water flavored tunes. You might be interested in a recording
our own Mitch Friedman made a couple of years back called XTSea. He
basically took all the songs in your list and incorporated them into one
Mitchism. Perhaps if you ask nicely he'll let you hear it...

back to lurking,

Jim

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:20:30 -0500
From: "Dupuy, James" <James.Dupuy@compaq.com>
Subject: XTC Night
Message-ID: <4D027986353D1341ADA4F2A4F8A1707601C6E969@cceexc18.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Hello Chalkers
The XTC show is still on for Tuesday night at www.earthwire.net It is from
8-10pm central time US (1-3 GMT I miscalculated the GMT last time,
subtracted instead of adding 5 hours)
I got to play some of the Transistor Blast stuff which I really liked and I
did notice a big difference in signal level of the re-mastered CD's. I found
a bunch of MP3 material of XTC demo stuff on Morpheus which I plan to burn
and bring to the next show.
I hope you guys get a chance to check the show out and let me know what I
can do to improve it. If you have any suggestions or request e-mail me at
jdupuy@houston.rr.com.

Thanks,
the matador

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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:36:10 -0500
From: "David DeVoto" <josephustx@msn.com>
Subject: Mike Myers = XTC fan?
Message-ID: <F6ZS2TRqf69aZbLAX3c0000012b@hotmail.com>

I'm not sure if this is an English expression - but I was watching Mike
Myers on "In the Studio" with James Lipton, and Myers described a period of
his life as "his train running low on soul coal."  Is this a phrase used
often, or could he possibly be a XTC fan?

JosephusTX@msn.com

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