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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 7, Number 42

                 Wednesday, 18 July 2001


                 Re: Piggy in the Middle
                        Rag n Bone
                    chet atkins r.i.p.
                re: On Second Thought.....
                      bad production
                        Neil Finn
             Neil Finn US Release of One-Nil
               last call - Atlanta XTC bash
                Re: Time for British beat
                     Atlanta BIG DAY
        Various answers, probably of little value
                   Apple Wasp Inteview
  "Statue Of Liberty" Old Grey Whistle Test performance
                 The Estimable John Relph
               looking for biking chalkers
             RE: Shrieking on The Big Express
                     a prayer for...
                     Red Brick Dream


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Date: 11 Jul 2001 02:35:35 MDT
From: Jeremy Mathews <>
Subject: Re: Piggy in the Middle
Message-ID: <>

> Anybody know of any other bands where the bonus tracks were wedged
> in "piggy in the middle" style?

Robyn Hitchcock's minimalist classic, "I Often Dream of Trains" was released
on CD with several extra songs stuck in the middle.  The album opens with an
instrumental "prelude" and closes with a "demise."  Since these instrumentals
were intended as bookends, it seemed odd to put stuff after the finale, so the
bonus tracks were inserted between sides one and two.  The songs are in the
same style as the rest of the album and don't bother the flow very much.

All of Hitchcock's other albums were released with the extra tracks at the

When Rhino remastered Hitchcock's CDs for US release, they added demos, live
tracks, and other rare stuff.  These were put at the end of the album.  This
was a wise decision because all the songs were already on the album in
finished form.

While the tracks are nice to have, I'm often troubled by music coming after
the album's end.

This is a problem with XTC because, in my view, all the closing tracks are
difinitive closers.  I don't want to hear more music right when the album
ends, I want to think about it.

I've only recently heard of a plan that will end both complaints.  The new
Elvis Costello reissues (also put out by Rhino) will supposedly have all the
bonus tracks on an extra disc.  This an expensive, but good way to go.  Of
course, it took me a while to get all the Ryko EC albums and I don't know how
much better the new versions will sound.


Jeremy Mathews


Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:46:30 -0000
From: "Tim Brooks" <>
Subject: Rag n Bone
Message-ID: <>

Jeff Eby said:

>What I was wondering about the rag and bone stuff has
>to do whether any of it will be on the upcoming many
>cupboards or fuzzy warbles CD's.  It doesn't seem
>likely that this would happen, kind of a waste of
>space for songs already on another album, but I guess
>it might be possible that Andy and Colin would want to
>work more with some of the songs.

Well they certainly won't appear on any warbles that may Fuzz as they are
Virgin property, far more likely they will take up a whole disc of the
cupboard of many coats (along hopefully with the few B sides that did not
make R+B).

My biggest grumble to the whole re-issue process is that remastering aside
all Virgin could be bothered to do is move the extra tracks that already
existed onto the end of the disc (at least they managedto do that!!).

Surely they could have made some efforts to add the extras from R+B to the
albums that they "belonged" to i.e. Extrovert to join Dear God on Skylarking
etc, as it is the re-releases are a right hotch potch with some remasters
having no extras at all!!

A proper remastering effort ala Costello, Marillion, Pet Shop Boys would
have given the fans far more impetus to buy the albums for the third time,
as it is it is only the cute vinyl replicas that have tempted me to

Someone here on the hill actually did a detailed list earlier in the year of
all the extras and where they could be placed, would some kind chalker
send me this or point me to the archive that had this post.


Most likely album of the year 2001 Super Furry Animals - check em out -
especially Dukes lovers!!!!!


Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:57:49 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: chet atkins r.i.p.
Message-ID: <000701c109fe$e457ff80$>

all ,

here with a beer at 6:45 p.m. on a gray wednesday listening to bread and
circuses by durutti column ... for some reason the very recent death of mr.
guitar chet atkins popped into my head ... chet overlooked by many because
of his country affiliation and age , but i saw him live once many moons ago
in the early 70's in some upstate new jersey smalltown ( my ailing uncle was
a huge fan ; had all his albums - 75 ? - and had never seen chet live so i
drove him up there in
my  '69 Firebird 400 vroom ! ) and man that cat was a guitar virtuoso who
could play ANY genre with ease and grace and style . blessed my god he was .
and he was a true country gentleman who influenced george harrison greatly
 George even played a Chet Atkins model Gretsch guitar ) , who influenced
 with his co-horts The Beatles ) the whole world ...



Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:16:48 -0400
From: "aron kirby" <>
Subject: re: On Second Thought.....
Message-ID: <>

I actually think that i like having Apple Venus and Wasp Star as 2
seperate albums, but I do see your point about making them a double, I
know Andy wanted that and I would have paid however much money they
wanted for it, but I liked the feeling I got when I had just heard
A.V. with all its orchestral sounds in it and then the suspense in
waiting for W.S. , I knew it would be a totally different sounding
album but I honestly did'nt think it would be soo good. It was just a
great year for me to have 2 XTC albums released and I really dont
mind a bit that they went about making it 2 seperate releases instead
of a double.


Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Eby <>
Subject: bad production
Message-ID: <>

 >>Then again I've heard some great songs that were so
badly produced that it detracts from the enjoyment of
the song itself.<<

Usually I don't notice production too much but
sometimes I can really see your point.

Personally I just can't stand the production of Jerry
Harrison (Talking Heads).  His worst crime was his
butchering of the violent femmes "The blind leading
the naked".  I deeply lament the song that "I held her
in my arms" could have been.
It has always scared me to know that XTC has some
connection with Jerry (Papersnow could be so much
better).  I just hope Andy and Colin never let him
produce XTC.


Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:57:40 -0700
From: "Cerquone, Suzanne" <>
Subject: Neil Finn
Message-ID: <2312F6B7EC6ED411ACFE00508BAE01E001AB160C@USINTEX03JFK>

Wayne wrote:

>>What's up with Neil Finn's latest CD? It still doesn't have a
release date in the US. I picked up the import and am happy I didn't
wait. It really ticks me off when US companies delay releasing an
album. I suppose they don't care that their core audience will go out
of their way to purchase it as an import. That explains why some items
don't sell when they come out in the US.>>

Finn was dropped by his U.S. label, Work/Sony.  A lot of times artists
have a U.S. label and then another label distributing worldwide (as
did XTC with Geffen in the U.S. and Virgin elsewhere).  Unfortunately
sales of "Try Whistling This" in the U.S. weren't enough for Sony to
keep him.  What a shame, as this could very well mean he won't tour
here until he gets a new label deal.

~~ Suzanne


Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:34:20 -0400
From: Frank McDonnell <>
Subject: Neil Finn US Release of One-Nil
Message-ID: <>

In 7-41, Wayne states:

    What's up with Neil Finn's latest CD? It still doesn't have a
    release date in the US. I picked up the import and am happy I
    didn't wait. It really ticks me off when US companies delay
    releasing an album. I suppose they don't care that their core
    audience will go out of their way to purchase it as an
    import. That explains why some items don't sell when they come out
    in the US.

It is my impression from the updates on the Neil Finn page on
( that Neil has no US record deal.  I don't
know what happened with Sony, who released Try Whistling This in the US.

For any Neil/Crowded House fans in the US, you should get this disk now - it
is outstanding.  While as a whole I still prefer his first solo effort,
there are a number of songs (Rest of the Day Off, Don't Ask Why and Into the
Sunset) that are simply amazing.  Perhaps a visit to HMV.Com is in order?
(Not a plug!)

On an unrelated note, can anyone provide an opinion on the new Ron Sexsmith
and the not-so-new Roland Orzabal albums?  Feel free to reply off list.

XTC content:  Love the remasters, though I've yet to settle into the "new"
version of King for a Day yet.

Frank McDonnell


Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:55:09 -0400
From: "Pete Roberts" <>
Subject: last call - Atlanta XTC bash
Message-ID: <005a01c10a86$723bc660$824a56d1@t7u9z6>

Hi folks,
last call for the 3rd not really annual XTC Atlanta bash at my place in
Atlanta, GA on Sat, July 28, 2001!! Email me privately for details.


Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:30:08
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Re: Time for British beat
Message-ID: <>

From: art et affiche <>

>A little message to tell you I just bought the "NUGGETS II" box,
>"original artyfacts from the British Empire and beyond, 1964-1969"
>Grrrrreat collection! 4 Cds! 109 tracks !
>(of course, I got the "Nuggets I" too, "original artyfact of the >first
>psychedelic era"-)

>Yes it's related to XTC! It's for you, fans of the Dukes!
>If you don't already have any of these charming British teenage rock >bands
>on your records collection, buy it! Like it is said in the >(beautifull)
>booklet, "Congratulations, you are now
>the proud owner of a virtually hitless collection of mod, flower >power,
>psychedelic, British R'n'B, freakbeat, twee-pop and dozens of >records too
>strange to pigeonhole into some sub-sub-genre of nugget."
>Gems in it, from great bands as The Small faces, Kinks, Pretty >Things,
>Action, Smoke, Them - So jump! And you will understand why >Colin, Andy and
>Dave had so much fun making "25 o'clock" and "Psonic >Psunspots"!

OK OK -- I have to draw a line in the sand here, Art. The Nuggets people
have subtitled it "from the British Empire and beyond" this seems like a bit
of a backhander to me. Australia was, by 1964, part of the British
COMMONWEALTH, OK? I spose Empire sounds more psychedelic?

Above all, I must point out that, as well as the abovementioned acts,
NUGGETS II contains numerous indendiary tracks by legendary Aussie and NZ
psych/pop acts like The Easybeats, The Masters Apprentices, The La De Das,
Ronnie Burns, The Lost Souls, The Twilights, The Bluestars, The Smoke
(nudge, nudge), The Missing Links, The Elois, The Playboys, the mighty
Chants RB, featuring my hero, Mike Rudd (later of Spectrum and Ariel) and
The Atlantics.

There has been quite a bit of discussion about it on the Aussie 60s/70s
mailing list I look after, and many felt that the Easybeats would have been
better represented by later Australian tracks like 'I'll Make You Happy', or
especially by the UK-made tracks like 'Land Of Make Believe', which is a
gold-plated psych classic. Likewise with the Twilights -- many feel that
"9:50" (the flip of 'Cathy Come Home') would have been the better choice.

Overall, a pretty fair selection, considering we have to compete (as always)
with our British cousins to get space. Few who know the music will argue
that Australia and NZ were producing stuff as good as what was coming out of
NY, LA or London, but few people outside here get the chance to hear it, so
it's great that they've included a few cult faves like the almighty Missing

(BTW the complete Missing Links recordings are available through Half A Cow
and you MUST buy this record. You will never hear anything else like it).

Spotted a few bloopers in the liner notes though.

- The La De Das single was, as I understand it, a cover of the Blues Magoos
(but I could be wrong).

- the Ronnie Burns track is quite wrongly credited. It's a Gibb Bros song
alright, but it was made in 1967, AFTER they went back to the UK, by which
time Colin Petersen had also gone over. Also, the demo the Bee Gees cut was
not the backing for this single, It was a new recording. The Bee Gees did
sing and play on Ronnie's preceding single, 'Coalman', which they also
wrote, but not on this followup. The backing for Exit was by Melbourne band
The Strangers, who were effectively the house band for the Festival label at
that time. The stinging, Beatlesy guitar riff is by Strangers lead guitarist
John Farrar, husband of singer Pat Carroll and longtime producer-songwriter
for Olivia Newtown John. I'm surprised by this -- it's not hard to find out,
detailed in that new Bee Gees book I think, and a rather glaring error.

- The Masters Apprentices track is "Wars (with an "s"), or Hands of Time" ;
also, original group The Mustangs formed in 1963, and were renamed The
Masters Apprentices in '65 when singer Jim Keays joined.

Also: the reason the Twilights "failed to make inroads" in the UK was
largely because EMI dudded them egregiously. Despite specific promises to
the contrrary, EMI released the Hollies' own version of 'What's Wrong With
The Way I Live', just as the Twilights' superior version -- given to them by
Nash -- was starting to get airplay. The same thing happened 3 years later
when The Le De Das covered "come Together', only to be gazumped by The Fabs
own version coming out as a single.

>Don't know how much does it cost in the USA? In France, 490 FF, >about 74

74 euros? Are they *really* called that? That's kinda funny for us
antipodeans -- down here, a euro is a species of small wallaby. (Kinda like
saying 74 bucks, I guess)

Ciao belli



Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:22:04 -0400
From: "Michael Versaci" <>
Subject: Atlanta BIG DAY
Message-ID: <000201c10ad5$a54a8240$0d01010a@atl430nb>


The BIG DAY is rapidly approaching.  If you would like to come an party with
us on Saturday, July 28th, please e-mail Pete Roberts at for all of the details.

Michael Versaci


Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:57:55 -0000
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <>
Subject: Various answers, probably of little value
Message-ID: <>

Jeff Eby:
>What I was wondering about the rag and bone stuff has
>to do whether any of it will be on the upcoming many
>cupboards or fuzzy warbles CD's.  It doesn't seem
>likely that this would happen, kind of a waste of
>space for songs already on another album, but I guess
>it might be possible that Andy and Colin would want to
>work more with some of the songs.

I don't know for sure, but I thought Fuzzy Warbles was supposed to be a demo
collection, and the tracks on Rag and Bone were all finished ones, so they
probably won't show up on FW.  I have no idea about Coat of Many Cupboards,

Jason Witcher:
>Does anyone know the source of the plummy fella who says "Now we're
>breaking into our programme for the second time tonight..."? on
>'Psonic Psunspot (before 'The Affiliated' unless I'm horribly
>mistaken). I ask because XFM (slightly less-crap-than-the-others
>London radio station) has taken to using the same sample, up to
>'programme' as a jingle.

I don't know who said it, but it was from a British radio announcement that
Hitler had died.

apparratus null:
>just got a bootleg CD with interesting, but not too interesting,
>demos off nonsuch (an album i totally adore).  "i'm the man who
>murdered love" is also there, as well as some songs i don't
>know. anybody with nice info about any of the following? -
>goosy goosy
>goodbye humanosaurus

I've heard this one, and I'm pretty sure it comes from a cassette of demos
that Andy once sent to some people.  In fact, the bootleg you have might
well be a copy of one of those cassettes.

>it didnt hurt a bit

This one was released on the EP for "The Man Who Murdered Love," wasn't it?

>its snowing angel

Intended for the mock-bubblegum album that Virgin rejected, and released on
Andy's Hello Recording Club CD.
May the light shine upon thee,


Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:13:49 EDT
Subject: Apple Wasp Inteview
Message-ID: <>

In a message dated 7/10/01 7:24:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<> writes:
> Andy was right all along: the two albums should have been combined as
> a double album.
> The resulting album would have would have reflected XTC's eclectic
> personality in the fashion of Nonsuch, and been a stronger collection
> than Apple Venus or Wasp Star.
> What do you think?
> Steve Oleson

It's taken me awhile but I agree 100%. They are in marked contrast in terms
of sound but (not surprising) have similar themes floating throughout them.

Since Dave is no longer with the band how might one contact him for an
interview (it's for an article I'm putting together for the remastered CDs
for a Brit website). please email me offlist at with any
suggestions. Any help would be appreciated as I've no idea if he's still
being managed by anyone.



Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:16:29 +0100
From: "Darren A. Peace" <>
Subject: "Statue Of Liberty" Old Grey Whistle Test performance
Message-ID: <000001c10be1$17925e20$79cc989e@inferno>

The BBC have announced "The best of the Old Grey Whistle Test" for release
on the 17th of September. This double disk set will be priced at #24.99 and
will have a total running time of 292 Minutes. The set features 40 rarely
seen performances, major interviews with world-famous musicians, and
memories and tales from the show's key presenters - 'Whispering' Bob Harris,
Annie Nightingale, Richard Williams, Andy Kershaw, Mark Ellen and David

Reason I mention it is that the set includes a performance of "Statue of

Darren Peace
Reading, UK


Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:53:32 -0000
From: "Tim Brooks" <>
Subject: The Estimable John Relph
Message-ID: <>

Hope he doesn't mind this posting as the below is extracted from a private
mail, but how the hell the guy manages to maintain Chalkhills (and many
other sites) in the below scenario :

" I don't even own a PC.  I do all my work on a borrowed UNIX box.  Soon.
Really soon I gotta get a PC."

Don't 'spose anyone has a spare PC for a man we are all indebted to?

We are not worthy
TMB Over and out!!


Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:06:34 -0500
From: Bill Sherlock <>
Subject: looking for biking chalkers
Message-ID: <>

Hi all,

Off on Friday to RAGBRAI (biking across Iowa). Once again this year I'm
looking for any readers of this illustrious forum that will be
accompanying me, and 10,000 others, on this madness. E-mail me off list
and perhaps we can meet up somewhere along the way.


"I should be in bed, I need my 11 hours. I'm a real sleep addict. I
started off just napping. Then I got into the harder
stuff...siestas. Before I knew what was happening I was a sleep
junkie."  Andy Partridge, Melody Maker, 8-18-79


Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:09:01 +0100
From: "David Smith" <>
Subject: RE: Shrieking on The Big Express
Message-ID: <>

Well, hellooooo there!

Thought I'd jump on The Big Express re-evaluation. As me ol' mucker
Rory will attest to, I was never that impressed by TBE. On my vinyl
version it was lumpen and clunky, while my CD version was, well,
lumpen and tinny!

BUT! I am about-face man! I got the re-masters - all of 'em, in a job
lot from Amazon. I have probably listened to the re-m'd TBE more than
the rest of them put together.

My fellow parishoners . . . I am converted.


Douglas Bailey said of Strawberry Switchblade . . .
> I remember disliking them intensely at the time, but can't actually
> remember how the songs sounded: it's quite possible that I'd like
> them now...

No. You Wouldn't. Trust Me.

Their stuff wasn't bubblegum - it was overblown, violent pink candyfloss.

I feel better for getting THAT out of my system.


In Chalkhills 7-40, David (Don?) Valentine asked

> He's interested in getting old of the two books. Any ideas? He can't have
> mine and they seem to be out of print.

Don, if you mean "Song Stories", I bought that directly from the publisher
about two years ago. They were (are) called Helter Skelter Publshing and
can be found at 4 Denmark Street, London - should be enough for him to get
a phone number from directory enquiries. That's how I got my copy.

Good luck.


And friend Andrew Boyle:

> Gee, I seem to remember this when some other band came out of
> Liverpool. No! Oasis. Blah. I would pay to see them fight and not
> play.

Oasis? Liverpool? Shurely shome mishtake . . .


Finally, for you Shriekback fans out there, this from the "Re-Releases"
review section of August's "Q" Magazine:

"Shriekback - Aberrations 81-84

Nostalgia trip for 80s purveyors of itchy, surrealist pop.

Shriekback belonged to that early-80's school of indie (fellow classmates
Cabaret Voltaire, Gang of Four) who regarded playing austere twitchy funk
as a subversive act. Between 1981 and 1988 they released six albums of
chopped, experimental art0funk with a vaguely political hue, then split
before reforming to tour the US in 1992. Aberrations gathers oddities and
outtakes from their early career and features such abrasive workouts as
Floral Police Van, Grapes Into Lettuce and Regret No Dogs. There's a bonus
free CD of their 1994 album Naked Apes & Pond Life, and it's all quite fun
until the constant frantic quirkiness becomes irksome."

It gets three stars out of five.

They used the "q" word. Now THERE'S a surprise . . .

On the SAME PAGE, under the heading "Recommended - The Best Re-issues of The
Last Three Months" is . . . Skylarking!!!!

A lovely piccy of the album cover, with the comment:

"Grand, speccy, Todd Rundgren-produced rock from Swindon's finest export."

S'pose it could've been worse - they could have said it was quirky . . .

For what it's worth, the other three re-issues featured alongside it are:

Like a Virgin - Madonna ("Do you remember when she was still American" -
Further Listening - Pet Shop Boys
Soul Legacy - Curtis Mayfield

Draw your own conclusions . . .


Oh, and I also started my new job today. And picked up my new company
car with 6-CD autochanger - woo, and indeed, hoo. Would it be SO wrong
to put six XTC remasters in there . . ?

OK, five and a Steely Dan's "The Royal Scam" then . . .

Ta ta!

Smudge "I'll quirky you in a minute" Boy


Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:12:07 +0100
From: "Richard Benjamin" <>
Subject: Cropredy
Message-ID: <>

Hello people - I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned here (not much
time lately to follow everything in the digests) but there is a site asking
for votes for the intermission music at this year's Cropredy festival. I
missed out on the voting for artists, but got there for the tracks vote and
was very pleased to see XTC listed. Somebody had the foresight to vote them
in (from this list?) So if you want to register your vote go to and give it your best shot. I voted for
Green Man partly 'cus I adore it and partly 'cus it's a chance to give the
guy's newer material an airing to a very large audience. I'll be at the
festival so I keep my fingers crossed for a positive XTC result. I do love
the Fairps and associated offerings at the fest, but it will give my finger
a rest from being wedged in my ear if we get something played and can only
be good for the band in terms of exposure :-).

Cheers - Richard /|\


Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:05:02 -0400
From: "Danny Phipps" <>
Subject: a prayer for...
Message-ID: <>

i'm not a religious man by any stretch of the imagination,
but let's all say a special prayer for our good friend and
former beatle-mate george harrison for a complete and
successful recovery!  they've just found a tumor on his
brain....and it doesn't look good this time.  :-(

come on, people...this is a BEATLE phenomenon we're talking
about here.  he deserves all of our positive thoughts and
good energies traveling towards him right now!

godspeed to recovery, george!!

sorry for being "off topic" here, but i felt this was


"Be the sound of higher love today!"
                         -- Jon Anderson


Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:19:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Red Brick Dream
Message-ID: <>

Hey folks,

I keep vaguely remembering that I had an XTC-related dream a few
nights ago.  The Idea website had been completed.  No longer was it
the Homegrown dirt background and buzzy bee site.  Instead, it was a
brand new wildly multicoloured site, a la Jackson Pollock.

But that's all I remember...

	-- John

Funk pop a roll beats up my soul        -- XTC


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