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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 7, Number 29

                   Tuesday, 1 May 2001

Topics:

                     HOMEGROWN DEMOS
              Dave Gregory and Kevin Gilbert
                   Re: cheapo reissues
                     New XTC dork....
               The check is in the mail????
                      Demo Fidelity
                   Theremins & Bootlegs
        I can name that concert in three notes....
                I'm a Lover not a Fighter
             Airline Monkeys love Split Hair
               Great prices on the imports
           We're All...Insane in the Membrane!
            Rhino Handmade...your'e a genius!!
                   XtC @ the Armadillo
                          My bit
                        UK Census
                  Re: Don't Walk, Ramone
      Had not listened to 'Black Sea' in a while...
                  I'll set you straight
         Andy uses tools (a sign of intelligence)
       They're all you can stand! Give 'em a hand!
                    What's in a name?
             XTC - Bigger, Brighter...Better!
                  Skylarking Reissue...
      The compositional qualities of Hari Georgeson
                   For Dewi and Martin
                         Theramin
             re: Have GEEEETAR, Ready to Ride
              Martin Newell live in Swindon
                    More trainspotting

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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:25:55 -0700
From: Kris Chen <kris@tvtrecords.com>
Subject: HOMEGROWN DEMOS
Message-ID: <B70A2433.2A2B%kris@tvtrecords.com>

Hello Chalkhills,

This is Kris at TVT Records.  I've been a chalkhills subscriber for quite a
while but never posted.  Well, here's something to write about.  On May
22nd, we'll be releasing "Homegrown", a 20 track collection of demos from
the Apple Venus vol.2 sessions.  The track listing is as follows:

Playground
Stupidly Happy
In another life (excerpt of original demo)
In another life (jug band version)
some lovely
boarded up
i'm the man who murdered love (early)
i'm the man who murdered love (tamla demo)
we're all light
standing in for joe (lounge version)
standing in for joe
wounded horse
you and the clouds will still be beautiful
lie for a lie
church of women
the pot won't hold our love
everything decays
the wheel and the maypole

For further information and (soon!) sound clips, check the XTC page on our
site.   http://www.tvtrecords.com/artists/?art_id=173

If you'd like, you can also sign up for our XTC mailing list and we'll keep
you updated with info about other releases, downloads, contests and various
othe promotions.

Kind Regards,
Kris Chen

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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:52:52 -0700
From: "Long's" <wlong2@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Dave Gregory and Kevin Gilbert
Message-ID: <000c01c0cc61$466fcd00$8f961a42@carolina.rr.com>

Thanks to everyone who sent me questions for Dave Gregory.  You've come up
with some good ones.  Send more if you like, precious few folks have
contacted me.

It's not too late for the rest of you to get some to me.  Dave has consented
to field Q's I/we lob at him and I thought it would be fun to include as
many folks from the list who wish to toss in their one, two, three, four,
five cents worth.  So drop me a line with your list.

I'm a bit surprised that so few of you have questions for the former XTC
guitar wizard.

Kevin question:

Anyone here have a copy of Gilbert's version of the Lamb Lies Down on
Broadway?  Think it's called the Giraffe Lies.......

Bags of barmy guitar!

wesLONG

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:38:01 EDT
From: ROBMSTEEN@cs.com
Subject: Re: cheapo reissues
Message-ID: <12.bcb7589.2816a379@cs.com>

Re: advice about http://www.under18.org.uk and cheapo reissues from Jersey:
just logged on and only Big Express is #8.98 - rest are #12.98.

Is it PC for me to state without equivocation or demur that We're All Light
is the most joyously uplifting slab of crotchets and quavers Herr Partridge
has ever come up with? Thought so.

Cornish Rob

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:21:44 -0700
From: Molly McCarron <malone3@earthlink.net>
Subject: New XTC dork....
Message-ID: <B70ABDE8.16C2%malone3@earthlink.net>

Well, it's finally nice to know I am not the only XTC dork out there, ya
know?  Flipping thru the posts though, I kinda notice it's all boy museos.
Hey, but I'm drunk at the moment, so pay no attention to me.  So I have a
funny story fer ya.  I know Nelly Hooper in England.  He is a pretty well
known producer there, & one time I was at his house, & I told him that Andy
Partridge was my hero.  He laughed & said  "Whaaaat?  Are you kidding?  Andy
Partridge was my music teacher in school!"  He was in school in Bristol at
the time.  I never questioned him about it later, unfortunately.  So, does
anyone know if this is true?  Does Andy teach music classes around Mid-North
England, or in the past?  Just curious....

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:30:34 -0700
From: Molly McCarron <malone3@earthlink.net>
Subject: The check is in the mail????
Message-ID: <B70ABFFA.16C3%malone3@earthlink.net>

The question is: where do I send my check?

k?

Question answered my friend.  Just send it to me, so I can stop pirating all
the XTC & Dukes stuff I can get my hands on off the newsgroups.  Then maybe
I can afford to go out & buy all the stuff that was stolen outta my car a
couple o' years ago.  I am still trying to recoup.  I know.  I'm evil.

Kirk.Gill@equifax.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:49:09
From: "Shawn Stone" <sdstone75@hotmail.com>
Subject: Demo Fidelity
Message-ID: <F118VuMhvqgStMVhEUs0000593a@hotmail.com>

So, after downloading as many demos as I possibly could off of the web, I've
noticed something. I really enjoy the older demos much more, even though the
audio quality may be a bit shall we say, lacking. The newer demos sound
nearly identical to their album bound counterparts. The only difference in
these seem to be a slight audio quality improvement, the addition of a solo
that was not recorded for the demo and/or a word or two different. The older
demos have extra verses, sometimes completely different lyrics, things like
that. The newer demos (from AV1 and AV2) sound too much like the album. Do
you think this is because the recording equipment in 'the shed' has improved
over time and is now much better? Is it because they've had so long to hone
these songs? Has their songwriting craft been so strengthened that they
don't make as many changes before putting things on an album as they once
did? Of course, I haven't listened to Homegrown yet, just a few demos of the
more recent songs. Perhaps I'll pick it up. Sounds like it could be
interesting with those different song ideas on their. - Shawn.

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harry Strole <hjstrole@earthlink.net>
Subject: Theremins & Bootlegs
Message-ID: <383185894.988122000842.JavaMail.root@web624-wrb.mail.com>

The Philadelphia show "k" writes about is a bootleg.  It was recorded off
the radio in all likelihood.  I have a copy and I believe at one point Andy
says something to the radio audience regarding getting out of their cars and
dancing or something like that.  The show was recorded in early 1981 and the
crowd is extremely enthusiastic.  They play "Ball and Chain" and I think
something else from "English Settlement" at that show.

The theremin is an electronic device that makes an eery sound and was used
in just about every ghost movie made through the 1950's.  It was also used
on the Beach Boys single "Good Vibrations" to dramatic effect, there is a
hilarious video taken from a European TV show where the Boys (sans Brian)
mime to the song with Mike Love in complete TM robe and long hair (what was
left) and beard "playing" the theremin.  Jimmy Page does play the theremin
in "The Song Remains The Same"  as well as attempt to play guitar with a
violin bow (both during "Dazed and Confused," I believe), which Jeff Beck
gave up doing years before that because it sounds terrible.

Harry

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com>
Subject: I can name that concert in three notes....
Message-ID: <20010424145656.65014.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

The Venerable Mr. Oleson queryed....

I'm trying to find out when XTC played at the Armadillo World
Headquarters.  Anybody know?????

The Chalkhills archive list has them playing in Austin w/ the Police
Nov 11, 1980.

************************************************************************

Hey Steve, I suspect the show you are refering to occured in February
of 1980.

XTC played Houston with Wazmo on Feb 16th.

I recently discovered a show on the 19th in San Diego with Wazmo as
well.

and then from the 19th to the end of Feb early March XTC plays a few
shows in California and Canada before heading back home and then they
startback up in Australia in May which is the first time we see Black
Sea material (6! Black Sea Tunes)being played in concert.

However what I find to be peculiar is that XTC were on the ground in
North America in the beginning of January with shows progressing until
Minnesota on Feb 12th. And then Houston on the 16th? NO WAY! 4 days
off? Not in the Ian Reid touring Era. There has to be more shows during
this tour swing that we have no record of. There is also a 6 day break
between Feb 2 in Boston and Feb 8 in Chicago. They must have played in
the Midwest somewhere enroute to Chicago.

Anyway my guess is that Armadillos was on Feb 15th one night before the
Houston show.
Austin is right on the way to Houston anyway if you were coming from
Minnesota. On the other hand it is also sorta on the way if you were
leaving Houston on your way to California. So it could have been the
17th. Does this jive with your memory any Steve?

Anyone have any old ticket stubs or flyers for shows during the January
to March period of 1980???

The Mole

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:18:36 +0700
From: "Tom Yates" <asb_adm@ksc.th.com>
Subject: I'm a Lover not a Fighter
Message-ID: <001601c0ccd1$d61b04e0$c7fb9bcb@wn>

zshaulkfhilianzzz,

John was the dreamer, Paul was the lover.  End of story. (hee hee).  Well, I
guess I have to finish; Ringo was the Joker and Harrison was the
spiritualist (shaboom shaboom plagerism shaboom).

I will get the remasters!  Will get away from Bangkok and its insane Cidada
noise-drammer and go home 2 da states for a relapse.  Will pre-order and
have sent to mum's abode.  Can't wait, and I'll hook my 96-year-old
grandmother to Black Sea and Mummer!  She'll lose her alzheimers ( and
remember me after a three year absence), or she'll really freak out and
groove down!

Hey, whaddya guys think of Radiohead?  I think they rock!  But was wondering
what other XTC fans feel about them.  Maybe it's just my midlife crisis
hitting in and wanting to adore soemthing cool before I scurry under the
good rock of chaos-Thelonius and logic-Bach for the rest of my life.

Matthew Sweet uses theramins in his songs at times, much to the chargin of
his bandmates (because the thing is so hard to keep in tune)...if you look
on the net you will prpbably see refs to the theramin...it is a weird and
subversive instrument which the record companies keeep at bay at almost all
costs!

I have a nice article at the time of Wasp Star coming out in the UK which if
anyone wants I have scanned.  Email me privately and I'll send the JPEG scan
to you.

I was with a friend of mine recently and his girlfriend/wife told me that
she had a close brush with AP.  She said that this friend in California
(maybe Northern?) owned a farm and one of his friends was AP.  AP came  to
visit and when riding a cropper tractor ( I don't know what they are really
called) fell off and broke his arm.  My friend was going to go to the party
but missed it.  We brought up XTC because I had put on AP1 and she started
humming the first trumpet licks from Orchids to herself and I almost freaked
out!  Here was someone who I hardly knew and all of a sudden there was
another XTC fan in the room (in Bangkok!) (who had almost met AP).  I was
left jittery for about 23 minutes.

Tom

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:39:31 -0400
From: "Seth Frisby" <vagueyear@hotmail.com>
Subject: Airline Monkeys love Split Hair
Message-ID: <F100ZcdjaS36Il06sIQ0000c72e@hotmail.com>

Hey,
    heh..Mole I was indeed goading you into splitting more hairs and
revealing more wonderful obscure touring facts...but thanks for all that..I
did know about most of that but didn't let it consciously come up in my post
because often I am less intelligent than I really am (does that make sense?)

Oh! I was on that same airline and noticed that very same in-flight
listening program..it was so weird..It had Mayor of Simpleton, King Crimson,
Yes, Moody Blues, and even Frank Zappa. I was disappointed when they didn't
pass out headphones or food (well a they did pass out a nasty little packet
of super dry pretzels)...oh and one other thing...I personally think that
the Smartest Monkey is possibly XTC's worst song lyrically and thus making
it difficult to listen to with a straight face..but I do love War Dance for
some reason (not a big fave but still like it)...and Bungalow is one of my
all time favorite Colin Tunes. I won't go into my reasons right now because
I could write a decent essay on how incorrect the use of his anthropological
ideas are...but no hairs will be split today....

and am I wrong in thinking that us poor Americans won't be getting any
remastered discs until many months from now? Mid-Summer? phooey!

well at least there's other good music coming out soon...(REM, Air, David
Byrne, Radiohead, Beta Band, SFA, Gorky's Zygotic Mynci, Bjork, and more I
think)
and yes I know that a few of those will take a while to come out.

Here's to waiting!

Seth"Arboreal Brachiator" Frisby

p.s. yes I know my subject line ridiculous, but thinking of a proper one
would have taken more work.

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:40:04 -0500
From: "Jonny Pop" <jbkxtc@mail.ev1.net>
Subject: Great prices on the imports
Message-ID: <200104241140.AA992936150@mail.ev1.net>

Hi kids,

Quick note to say that for those of us in the states, you can go to
www.hmv.com up in Canada, eh, and get the Japanese imports for $13.99.
I think if you order 4 or more items, they don't charge shipping.

That is all,

John

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:17:15 -0400
From: "Roberts, Peter" <Peter.Roberts@novainfo.com>
Subject: We're All...Insane in the Membrane!
Message-ID: <074CBB342C7BD311971B00508B6F7FD403B1BD60@spc-mail.novainfo.com>

Does anyone else hear the Cypress Hill song when they hear 'We're All
Light?' (Because of the 'Theremin' - I wonder if that's really what it is).
Cracked me up the first time!! Now I can't get it outta my head.
Pete

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:30:19 -0400
From: sjacobs <sjacobs@parkgrp.com>
Subject: Rhino Handmade...your'e a genius!!
Message-ID: <B70B5A9B.68A%sjacobs@parkgrp.com>

From someone who couldn't be arsed to give any details (as usual)

> "If all goes as planned, the next Rhino Handmade release will be a
> true milestone.

If the band are having problems convincing their record company to release
Fuzzy Warbles why doesn't Rhino Handmade release it?    A limited run of
1000 copies would sell out in no time, and Rhino is bizarre enough to take
on the challenge do something like that.

Lets petition

"The entire recorded works of a fictional record
 label. All on one compact disc."

How about the entire un-released works of a fictional band .....the Dukes!!

Yak

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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:49:18 -0600
From: "Steve Oleson" <Steve.Oleson@oag.state.tx.us>
Subject: XtC @ the Armadillo
Message-ID: <sae6abc6.030@smtpgate.oag.state.tx.us>

I was right, and Andy was wrong. Nyah, nyah, nyah!

Apparently, XTC  played in Austin Feb 15, 1980 and then again nine
months later, on Nov 11, 1980.  The first show was Drums and Wires,
the second was Black Sea.

Harrison and I sifted through the sands of time to unearth this bit of
musical detritus.  Harrison found, on the Chalkhills Tour Dates page,
a mysterious entry that just sez "Feb. 15 - US."   Nearby, is a photo
of poster saying: "XTC with Special Guest Wazmo Nariz" at Rock Island,
dated Feb. 16th.  The list shows that they played Houston on the
16th.

I checked a local website that is devoted to the Austin punk scene,
circa 1980 - 1986. http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~edge/idle_time/index.html

Included is a list of every concert the author attended during that
time. He has XTC at the Armadillo on Feb 15, 1980. So, I guess that's
what the mysterous entry "Feb. 15 - US", on the Chalkhills list refers
to.

Check out the Tour Dates list in the Chalkhills Archives section to
see what a horendous schedule they had.  http://chalkhills.org/live.html

No wonder Andy got sick of touring!

Later,
Steve Oleson

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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:02:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: pancho artecona <partecona@yahoo.com>
Subject: My bit
Message-ID: <20010426000235.48792.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>

My 2 cents on Homegrown

For us less unfortunate folk that will not be
receiving phone calls from Andy it is nice to be able
to read his thoughts on how things came about (Colin's
as well)......more please.  And of course its great to
see how songs germinate.

Kudo's to Sherwood on having 'gotten the call', mazel
tov.    Japanese reissues- have to concur with all the
previous reviewers in that the packaging and sound are
sterling.  I hope the lads get some money out of this.

"Make the rules, but break them all 'coz you are the
best" - Prince

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:55:57 +0100
From: The Worrier Queen <myrone@tesco.net>
Subject: UK Census
Message-ID: <3AE7640D.500B4CE2@tesco.net>

As I can no longer put down my religion as Jedi - thanks Adrian - I have
decided instead to register myself as belonging to the Church of Women.

I think that should make someone sit up and take notice.

The Worrier Queen
T shirt designs can be found at
http://uk.geocities.com/wretchedpietrap/back1.gif &
http://uk.geocities.com/wretchedpietrap/1st_pie.gif

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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:06:36 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net>
Subject: Re: Don't Walk, Ramone
Message-ID: <l03130303b70e99dd6a19@[206.231.24.136]>

>joey ramone.....rest in peace!
>
>damn!  :-(
>
>/danny phipps

  Reminds me, I met Marky Ramone Monday, he actually did a free slide
presentation on The Ramones and his experience in the New York music scene
at the small Vermont college where I'm doing graduate work. It was very
poorly publicised, only one poster outside the St Michaels campus, which
the few off campus people who showed up weren't happy about. It was very
entertaining and informative, I was expecting Marky to be a dumb drummer
who moves his lips when he reads, but he turned out to actually be somewhat
intelligent, though he would have been consider ADD or learning disabled
today, he barely finished high school, graduated with a D average. He was
very genial and professional towards the many people he worked with,
including a few he probably wasn't real crazy about, such as Richard Hell
and Dee Dee Ramone. He clearly had taken Joey's death really hard, he said
he and Joey had just completed Joey's solo album, and he'd visited Joey in
the hospital a couple of days before he died but his family hadn't bothered
informing his former band members about the funeral and he found out about
it after it had already happened, which he didn't hide his bitterness
about. He loved Joey like a brother, he did. My favorite part was when he
showed slides of all the famous people he'd met, including one of him
holding a koala in Australia and cracking "Ever notice how much Dennis
Franz of NYPD Blue looks like this guy?" Gotta admit it, he's right! The
one time he dropped the professional courtesy and actually dissed someone
was when he showed a slide of him and a grinning Eddie Vedder and gushed
"Eddie's one of my favorite people in the business, he used to come to most
of our shows in the late 80's; he must not have had a life, he'd pop up all
over the country. Great guy, though. Love Eddie.(pause.)I'm sorry, though,
folks, I DO NOT LIKE PEARL JAM. Loved Nirvana, Pearl Jam's good at what
they do for what they are, but couldn't get into it, don't like 'em. Sorry,
Eddie."
  Marky's current gig is with The Misfits, of all people. It's a living. I
talked to him after the show for about five minutes, told him he'd met my
brother at a demonstration at BU in '89 and spent the afternoon at his
apartment, he seemed to remember it vaguely, especially since he was sober
several years by that point. It ground to a halt when politics came up in
conversation and we didn't see eye to eye; things soured in a hurry, I
shook his hand and made my exit. He voted for Nader, I voted for Harry
Browne, the Libertarian candidate. 'Nuff said.
  I actually met Joey once on St Marks Place in NYC in the mid-80's; I was
helping a friend sell his comic book on the street, hawking signed copies
to whoever walked by. Joey comes walking up, head down, frowning like he's
hung over. I yell to him "Hey Joey, want to buy a comic?" Joey, head still
down, yell's back "NO!" I have fond memories of the three Ramones concerts
I've been to, though, especially the one where Brett Milano, a female
friend of his(she had a car, we didn't) and I saw them at the Agora in
Hartford, and I ended up slow dancing to the only song in the set we could
slow dance to. ("Here Today Gone Tomorrow")with his friend Elizabeth and
she went home with me after we dropped Brett off. (I scored, huh-huh,
huh-huh)She and Brett were just friends though. She ended up going back to
her abusive boyfriend, but she and I were a pretty good match, it could
have worked. I think of her whenever I hear the above song, or anything by
Dwight Twilley; she was the only serious Dwight Twilley fan I'd ever met.

Christopher R. Coolidge
"The bad news is, there is no key to the universe. The good news is, it has
been left unlocked."
-Swami Beyondananda

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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:48:11 EDT
From: CrissysDad@aol.com
Subject: Had not listened to 'Black Sea' in a while...
Message-ID: <3c.adc3f9a.281b977b@aol.com>

...but I've had this craving lately to hear 'Living Thought Another Cuba'
relating to all of the sabre-rattling over Taiwan, which started on April
Fool's!
Black Sea is more relevant now than ever! The consumerist indictment of
'Travels in Nihilon'  and Prozac-powered positivity {aliteration} of 'Burning
With Optimism's Flame' are even more resonant in the present day. I believe
(IMHO), that this is the mark of an artist. The Bible is the same
way..interpretation, over time, offers different results, depending on the
context.
Anyway, It's time to get off of the soapbox,
Up with the larks & shooting off sparks!
Dave

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:15:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brown <i.sundog@verizon.net>
Subject: I'll set you straight
Message-ID: <200104281615.LAA96557438@smtppop1pub.verizon.net>

>From Mr. Coolidge/digest #7-27:
<<Didn't Dave tour with Aimee Mann in the early 90's?(and get to shag her
as well, lucky guy) And I believe he did a short tour with Steve Hogarth of
Marillion more recently as well.>>

NO..NO..NO!  You've got it all wrong, Chris!.. *Aimee* was the lucky one,
dear boy.

With a wink and a grin,

DB

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:52:07 -0700
From: Randy Hiatt <rhiatt@gte.net>
Subject: Andy uses tools (a sign of intelligence)
Message-ID: <3AEB2D77.7EF24AF2@gte.net>

>From what I gather, Partridge and Moulding think that this new method
>of song-writing (using extensive digital editing) is a very liberating
>experience, because it avoids the tedium and drudgery of having to do
>multiple takes of complete musical passages until you finally get one
>right.  As Andy observes, it's no different than making a film--does
>anyone really believe they just turn the camera on and film from
>beginning to end?
>
>A computer is nothing more than a tool, just like a paint brush.  My
>friend Gary the house painter uses a brush, but that doesn't make him
>Michelangelo!
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Steve (and the home computer has me on the run) Johnson

Cool, I always thought Andy's lack of computer interests were short
sighted.  Nothing like editing/creating music on a computer to keep the
perfectionist happy/busy.  I'd expect some great new things from this
tool of theirs.

Besides the multiple takes issues there is a bigger one for Andy I
think, now the head butting can be self directed, fewer conflicts
between players means faster final products (I really, really hope).
Also Andy may get weary of all this internal "help" and start to see the
added value of some of his past associations........ it could happen, in
fact maybe someday Andy will be posting here too!

Randy
np Spocks Beard V
--
you can hear my stuff at
www.mp3.com/RandyHiatt
www.aampcast.com/MBA

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:13:20 EDT
From: KINGSTUNES@aol.com
Subject: They're all you can stand! Give 'em a hand!
Message-ID: <dc.592bd07.281c8c70@aol.com>

>This isn't as crazy as one might think; it's a perfect example of a
>standard jazz technique called tritone substitution.

The b7th applied to the dominant creates, with the 3rd, the tritone, which is
the diminsihed 5th interval that creates the strongest tension component of
the dominant.  So why not call it a dominant subsitution, which is how I
described it, basically?  Explain the basis and origin of your terminology,
por favor.  I've not heard that one.

>Both of these moments are really nice, and excellently crafted, but
>they don't come out of nowhere from a music theory standpoint.

My point exactly.  Thank you!

>I do agree that Lennon wasn't thinking in theory terms at all, and
>that he just had an intuitive feel for what would work.  And that's as
>it should be.

My point is that he was not thinking with the language of the terminology,
*but* he knew from *experience* how things go together.  Intuition doesn't
come out of nowhere either.  It requires some emprical knowledge.

I also want to add that no gifted composer, literate or non-literate or any
shade between, composes thinking in strictly theory terms.  Theory applies
lables to the musical goings on, and can facilitate the process, but does not
enhance the creative spark per se.
***************
>Al LaCarte said:
>> Ayn Rand made some good points in her books, but what
>> the hell could she have said about The Beatles?

>"Oh! They're so *cute*!!!"

Objectively speaking, of course!
***************
Pedant alert:
Each *diatonic* scale has seven notes in the octave, while each
chromatic scale has 12 tones. There are many others out there ... don't
be so West-centric, man!

But I luuuv Slim Whitman!  %-)
***************
Anyone wanna' join the HbMin/Dim9+13 club?
            (we wear green tights)

B is Bb and H is B in Der Fodderland.  So Hb is B.  But I dig C & W & R & B &
me and the Chimpanzee agree!   No Greenman tights for this celebrity.

>We meet on the #7-b8th every four years in
 >  Florida to vote for Pat Buchanan and bitch
 >  about Butterflies!

Eeeeeewww.
******************
> Andy Partridge taught the band to play.
>  April 17, 1981. Emerald City , Cherry Hill , N.J.

I was on the road in, of all places Cleveland!  You're makin' me cry, Steve!
 My Buddy got to see them there on the previous tour, I think. 20 years!
Jeeeze!

TK %-)

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 01:57:03 EDT
From: KINGSTUNES@aol.com
Subject: What's in a name?
Message-ID: <105.29269e9.281d072f@aol.com>

>I was on the road in, of all places Cleveland!  You're makin' me cry,
>*Steve!*   My >Buddy got to see them there on the previous tour, I think. 20
>years!  Jeeeze!

Sorry!  *Roger*.
TK

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:58:52 -0700
From: Gregory Sandoval <greg@drbeat.com>
Subject: XTC - Bigger, Brighter...Better!
Message-ID: <B710FBAC.3D8E%greg@drbeat.com>

Chalkhillians,

Wow! I just got the first five album reissues as imports and they are
awesome. Do yourself a favor and don't miss these!

As if the quasi-record artwork isn't enough fun (and they look great), the
sound is amazing. I put my old copy of Drums & Wires up against the remaster
and the difference is night and day. The new remasters are louder and have
much more dynamic range. The re-master brings lots of instrument parts,
vocal inflections, etc. that you never heard before right up. Better
separation too, it must be heard to be fully appreciated.

On to Black Sea...

dr.beat

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:53:52 -0700
From: Gregory Sandoval <greg@drbeat.com>
Subject: Skylarking Reissue...
Message-ID: <B711088F.3D8F%greg@drbeat.com>

denizens of the chalken hills...

Has anyone heard what the track order will be for the Skylarking reissue? As
someone who actually liked the inclusion of bonus tracks in the middle of
the CDs, I am curious. It always seemed to me that Mermaid Smiled fits in
great where it is next to The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul, AND that Dear
God flowed perfectly into Dying rather than being "tossed in" at the end of
the disc (on the Canadian version for example). Thoughts?

I'd love to see:
...
Another Satellite
Mermaid Smiled
The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul
Dear God
Dying
Sacrificial Bonfire

Of course, it's already pressed and too late for opinions to matter, but I'm
still intrigued if others agree. One of the positive aspects of including
bonus tracks in the middle was that each CD ended with a great capper. Let's
face it, the band almost always closes each album with an absolute gem.

dr.beat

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:03:54 +0100
From: "Darryl W. Bullock" <drol@btinternet.com>
Subject: The compositional qualities of Hari Georgeson
Message-ID: <001e01c0d0a4$79643c40$19a2fea9@Bullock>

Kingstunes wrote, in the last Chalkhills digest:

One last couple of thoughts... George didn't really start writing until they
started to record.

Cobblers, dear boy. What about 'Cry For A Shadow' or 'In Spite Of All The
Danger?'. Don't forget that the very first original tune that they laid down
on shellac was co-written by George. Tis true that he was overshadowed by
the genius of Jaon and Paul for many years, but much of this is due to the
fact that he was never as prolific as his companions.....a bit like ol'
Curtains, no?

In fact, the comparison between George and Colin is much more balanced than
the idea that Andy is as good or bad as Sir Paul. Andy could never record
anything as toe-curlingly awful as 'The Other Me' (...'I acted like a
dustbin lid', for crissakes!) or probably as wonderful as 'For No One', but
I would posit that Andy's cannon of work far outweighs McCartney's in the
quality control department. Who the hell wants to live on a piano keyboard
surrounded by frogs relaying morse code messages to the bottom of the ocean?
(Three truly dreadful McCartney offerings in there...first prize to
whoever....).

Andy himself has always been uncomfortable with the oft-quoted Beatles
comparisons, preferring The Monkees. Somewhere around here I have my copy of
Monkees Monthly with Andy's prize winning drawing in.

Oh and 'Wounded Horse'? Blatant rip off of The Icicle Works' 'A Woman On My
Mind', which like so much of McNabb's work is a direct steal from Neil
Young.

As Mickey Dolenz once sang: 'Seeberabberhobersoben what did you
expect?...One time for George and Ringo'

Drol.

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:16:16 +0100
From: "Darryl W. Bullock" <drol@btinternet.com>
Subject: For Dewi and Martin
Message-ID: <002b01c0d0a6$341ae420$19a2fea9@Bullock>

Again, in reply to the last digest..

Dewi, the version of 'This World Over' IS the single version with the intro
missing. XTC did not record (or at least not broadcast) a 'live' version on
the Bruno Brookes show or any othe BBC radio show - as my copy of the
original broadcast attests. They did record several other tracks for this
session, but this was not one of them.

Martin, I'm not remotely surprised that Badlands were of little help with
the XTC re-issues. The only reason that they stock any XTC material is
because of the business that I built up for them over the four years that I
managed the shop and attended the 'Music And Friends' conventions. But
Virgin are being incredibly vague concerning the UK reissues. It might be
worth keeping an eye on their web site

www.the-raft.com/xtc

to get full details. I have been told that they will be in standard jewel
cases, but in the same order as the Japanese versions...meaning that several
extra tracks will now be missing! A bit of a balls up all round, methinks.
Anyone who wants them should get hold of the stunning Japanese versions
whilst they are around and give Virgin in the UK the finger!

Drol.

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:21:00 -0400
From: "Garret Harkawik" <funktaisia@hotmail.com>
Subject: Theramin
Message-ID: <F955wAz8AWiZAtGYkNU000074c1@hotmail.com>

>The
>instrument making the warble on that track, however,
>is a "Theremin" (I think I spelled it correctly,)
>which produces notes based on your hand passing
>through the magnetic field it generates.  (Think
>Zaphod trying to tune his radio by waving his hand at
>it.)  Somewhere I heard it was invented by Nicola
>Tesla, but that could be one of those random bits of
>trivia I have floating in my brain which is only a
>rumor.

It definently is one of those random bits of trivia, because the theramin is
named after it's creator, Dr. Theramin.

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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:43:49 +1000
From: "Culnane, Paul" <Paul.Culnane@dcita.gov.au>
Subject: re: Have GEEEETAR, Ready to Ride
Message-ID: <EEAD847E742DD51196550000E896881D40DD81@g5dccbr0ms01.dcita.gov.au>

Hi Folx

Just responding to the Mole's post in 'Hills # 28.  According to the man
himself, Terry Chambers did not tour with Icehouse, nor did he play on any
of their records.  He did, however, tour and record with Dragon (one album
"The Body & The Beat" and a handful of spin-off singles).  TC did not tour
the US with Dragon; only a brief national Australian tour.

Mole, you'll shortly get yer parcel... I've just been waiting to "re-jig"
it with a special bonus track.  Standby!!!!

~~p@ul

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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:29:18 +0100
From: "Ian Sutton" <ian.sutton@ukgateway.net>
Subject: Martin Newell live in Swindon
Message-ID: <002e01c0d242$d3bb0ee0$f0069dc0@IAN1>

While enjoying a light ale or several in The Beehive public house in Swindon
on Saturday, the barman put up several pieces of paper advertising "Martin
Newell does the Beehive".  This event takes place on Tuesday May 8th at
8.30.  The Beehive can be found at the bottom of Prospect Hill at the
junction with Western Street and College Street.  Who knows who might be in
attendance.  I haven't looked, but further information may be available on
www.bee-hive.co.uk .

Ian Sutton (once of Swindon)

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Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:24:25 -0400
From: "squirrelgirl" <squirrelgirl@hitter.net>
Subject: More trainspotting
Message-ID: <003701c0d252$e71a8500$4747c0cf@meredith-s>

Howdy 'Hillians!

Sorry to disappoint you folks by bypassing the recent Beatles and/or
technical music jargon threads for something so frivolous, but the following
little event made my day (nay, my entire week).

The scene:  Last Thursday morning, sitting in our local coffee shop in the
middle of BFE redneck land - that would be rural Florida to the rest of you.
Meeting one of my employees for her usual stellar annual review.   Lull in
conversation as the server leaves our table.  Change of songs on the Muzak -
King for a Day!   What a great start to the day (along with the high-octane
caffeine buzz from the stale coffee).  Usually all we hear in public around
here is George Strait or Trisha Yearwood.  Maybe some Faith Hill on a really
bad day.

That is all.

SG

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