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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 7, Number 18

                  Friday, 16 March 2001

Topics:

           A meade for me, two for my horse...
                    good enough for us
                      2nd Favourite?
                        Hmmmm....
      ...and all crossword puzzles, well I just shun
                    Swindon calling...
                   Lost in Zappa Land?
            Put to the Comfy Chair for heresy
                   Barry Andrew's organ
                   Alright, I confess!
                     more salmagundie
                   You Won't Engage Me
    Better than the Zombies and the Pretty Things, too
                         Hats off
                          Zappa
          Zappa Crappa, Harrison in Wonderland?
                   Re: Japanese Imports
                  Re: Kiss my aura, Dora
          Purposely Un-accessible Songs...blah!
       Moe, Larry and Curlian Photography and ZAPPA
               Boingo Replacement (not XTC)
                         Exhumed
                 Re: Zappa for President
                      Re: Dirtsurfer
         Bubblegum album vs. "That Thing You Do"
                 RE: Zap me vitals . . .
                     XtC reissue news

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Date: 13 Mar 2001 08:42:36 -0800
From: unna@worldmailer.com
Subject: A meade for me, two for my horse...
Message-ID: <20010313164236.12450.cpmta@c001.zsm.cp.net>

Dear Chalkmasters,

All this talk of tights and tunics makes my throat dry. Barkeep, a
meade for me and my dwarf friend, two for my horse. You there, in the
moss green tights, have the time to hear a tale of double crossing
elves and foul smelling orcs? Eh? Dragon got your tongue? Not too kind
to strangers are ye! Perhaps the Sword of Zanthar (*zing* as I
unsheath the mighty and magical blade) will bring out your
hospitality. Come my dwarf brother, there be limbs to sever and blood
to let flow!

Yikes, I was having a D&D flashback.

xtc content: I would argue that there are no xtc songs that are not
entirely perfect in their presentation on the albums. And I would also
put forth that each album is in itself a different type of perfect. My
current favorite xtc song is still That Wave, beating TWATM by a nose,
which beats Love On A Farmboys Wages by another nose.

Now playing: A World Party B-Sides cd. Fav Song: No More Crying.

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:16:28 EST
From: Saints3Den@aol.com
Subject: good enough for us
Message-ID: <9b.121724e8.27dfcc0c@aol.com>

> From: "pop boy" <powerpopboy67@hotmail.com>
>
> If even the worse tracks that xtc have written are better than any other
> band has ever produced (as is often tediously commented upon on this list)
> why dont people put all their most disliked tracks onto one cd and listen
> to it?

...because I don't have a cd burner.  Also, it would be more of an e.p.
thingie than a full cd.   eddie

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:18:08 -0000
From: "Rory Wilsher" <rory.wilsher@lineone.net>
Subject: 2nd Favourite?
Message-ID: <003701c0ac04$6670f7a0$b73b7bd5@oemcomputer>

Hillians

Ryan Anthony asked:

<<Finally: What is Chalkhills Nation's SECOND-favorite band? >>

Probably no surprise here, but I'll tell you anyway:

Midnight Oil

The best thing to come out of Australia since...since...the last good thing
that came out of Australia. Which was probably Penfolds Grange. Or their
cricket team. Or their rugby team. Or...Okay, OKAY! A LOT of good things
come out of Australia!

Rory Wilsher

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:35:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hmmmm....
Message-ID: <20010313213500.27054.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com>

Hello

Just a quickie.

I find it to be an interesting comment on Apple Venus and Wasp Star
that the current level of debate rages around an album from 1983 and
another from 1992. Perhaps the honeymoon is over for the latest XTC
offerings?

Cheers

Mole

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:02:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Vernon Hickle <vernonhickle@yahoo.com>
Subject: ...and all crossword puzzles, well I just shun
Message-ID: <20010313220202.73349.qmail@web13111.mail.yahoo.com>

Workers, Queens and Drones:

>To me, it's possibly the best collection of great
songs since Abbey Road.
WIG, TSAHD, TUU, DMB and others are simply gorgeous
pieces of music.<

D.Y.F.H.I.W.P.U.T.D.T.S.A.F.K?
I.D.W.T.W.T.T.T.F.O.W.S.I.B.R.  P.J.S.I.O.F.U.R.O.S.

 . . .

 . . .

 . . .

 . . .

(Don't you f#$%^ng hate it when people use this device
to save a few keystrokes? I don't want to waste time
trying to figure out which song is being referenced.
Just spell it out for us residents of Simpleton.)

--V--

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:35:38 -0000
From: "Debra Edmonds" <debra.edmonds@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Swindon calling...
Message-ID: <EBECLIDBLCLIEKGAHMHMCEFFCAAA.debra.edmonds@dial.pipex.com>

Hi y'all

Well, I read my first Chalkhills of 2001 tonight.  I haven't actually read
one since about last June - shame on me!  Have I missed much?

I've been busy keeping Guitargonauts afloat though, along with the help of
Mr Strijbos.  I also did a Swindon XTC tour a few weeks ago for a visitor,
and managed to sneak him in a pleasant evening meal with Dave and Ian
Gregory.  He also snuck down the alleyway behind Andy's house and touched
"the shed".  Did you all know that the shed is green?  Thought I'd just
mention it.  Not all visitors get these special additions to the tour - it
helps if you are male and good looking though!

Oh yeah - in Holmes Music in Swindon there is a second-hand drum kit for
sale (the make escapes me, sorry) that used to belong to Andy's Dad.  Ian
Gregory informed me of this, so I went and checked it out.  Do you fancy
buying it to add to your musical instrument collection, Mr Strijbos?

My main reason for this message is to reply to Jon Rosenberger, and also to
let you all know that yes, Shigemasa has moved to Canada - his Canadian wife
was offered her old job back, so they decided to go for it.  He will let me
know his new, permanent email address soon, and I will post it on
Guitargonauts when ready.

I've still got Oranges and Lemons in the CD player!  I think I've only
removed it once or twice in four months, and that was just for a burst of
Skylarking and "Summer's Cauldron".

Bye'ee from rainy Swindon.

luv Debie

Visit www.guitargonauts.com - the "official" Dave Gregory website

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:08:43 EST
From: KINGSTUNES@aol.com
Subject: Lost in Zappa Land?
Message-ID: <f2.83d1e68.27e02cab@aol.com>

David Smith begs,

>Help me please . . . Zappa. Never got into him, never
>really tried. Always got the impression he was
>deliberately kooky and weird, which ain't necessarily
>my thang. However, enough of youse guys rave about him
>to whet my appetite. What's the best point of entry?

You have a mighty and daunting task in front of you, Grasshopper, tackling
the endless archives of Frank Zappa.  Remember the journey of a 1000 miles
begins with a single step!
My personal recommendation would be......(dumroll, please!)

Overnight Sensation.

It is the one album that could be considered his most accessable and flawless
from a pop perspective, and it carries with it the distilled essence of most
of what he was about.  Not to mention that it puts you squarely in the middle
of his catalogue, where your options are open to work your way back to the
early Bizarre and Verve works, or forward in to the late seventies &
eighties.  I still get more consistent listening enjoyment from that album
than any other.  Not one weak, lengthy or overly challenging  track or
moment.  And his humor is in top form!

The trick to accessing his music is to realize that he was constantly moving
through phases; periods where he would have a certain basic lineup in the
band, be on certain labels, so on.  Get one key album from each period to get
a taste, and you'll have an easier time deciding where to go next.  Contact
me offline for some ideas.

 And he was sooooo prolific!  We'll be getting stuff from his vaults for
years to come.  So you have your work cut out for you!

Salud, Francis Z!

TK

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:58:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Anthony <hamsterranch@yahoo.com>
Subject: Put to the Comfy Chair for heresy
Message-ID: <20010314035846.21042.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com>

Typo! For "Wells," as in Orson, read WELLES. How
hoomiliatin', as they say in Dogpatch.

Not a typo! The fifth book in Piers Anthony's Kirlian
"trilogy" (again, it's a fun and science-fictional
treatment of Kirlian auras, not a True Believer's
Tract) is indeed titled *Viscous Circle*. Piers is
quite the punster.

Todd Bernhardt, in Digest #7-16, counters my
hypothesis that Chalkhills Nation's second-favorite
band is Genesis -- that is, if one counts former and
potential members such as Peter Gabriel and Kevin
Gilbert:

"Much as I love PG-era Genesis (and any Kevin
Gilbert), I've got to part ways with you, Ryan. I
think the answer to your question lies in the outcome
of a free-for-all mud-wrasslin tourney between fans of
The Beatles, The Beach Boys, and The Kinks."

Will that be the undercard of the Partridge vs.
Moulding bout?

Todd, now that I think about it a little more, it may
be that Chalkhills Nation's FAVORITE band is the
Beatles, followed by XTC and then, competing for the
bronze medal, the Messrs. Becker & Fagen, Mr. Fripp,
Mr. Davies, Mr. Zappa, Mr. Wilson, and every other
maker of music in the history of the world, going back
to when "Toot, Whistle, Plunk & Boom" ruled the
charts.

Will I be put to the Comfy Chair for this heresy?

The Comfy Chair? The Comfy Chair?

While they're all saying "the Comfy Chair," Brian
Matthews, also in Digest #7-16, writes:

"I'll throw about an unconfirmed statistic: 95% of the
people in the U.S. are scientifically illiterate."

But the remaining one-third is just fine.

Ryan Anthony

An independent Internet content provider

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:49:07 +0100
From: Bergmaier Klaus <klaus.bergmaier@maxonline.at>
Subject: Barry Andrew's organ
Message-ID: <41E0B760C85AD3119BE200E0291B6EE5089678@NTSRV>

Dear all!

I just found out that I play the very same organ as Barry Andrews did, while
he was in XTC.

Egon von Bark writes in www.synthmuseum.com:
footnote: The Yamaha YC-20 Electric Organ was like Yamaha's interpretation
of the Farfisa. It was a heavy, portable stage instrument with simple easy
to use controls and usually one keyboard, though I've seen a version with
dual keyboards. The model we had was a bright, glossy red. One really clever
and unique feature of this instrument was a peculiar touch tremolo you could
get by gently rocking your fingers sideways on the keys when pressed! Brain
Eno mentioned that Yamaha applied this feature to the CS-80. It was pretty
subtle for the listener, but lots of fun for the performer. Aside from (I
think) Philip Glass and possibly (?) Miles Davis. One performer who really
set off this beast was young Barry Andrews (later of Shriekback) who toured
with the early XTC and displayed the YC-20 on stage tilted backwards at an
odd angle with the top case removed and all the electronic guts of the
instrument exposed to the elements...it looked really cool and must have
been sheer hell for the roadies. If anyone has photographs of this tour I
would be curious to see them again, as I lost my old Creem magazines a long
time ago. Barry's distinctive charming screeching grating style on this
keyboard can be heard only on XTC's first two albums.

There is another interesting link to detailled information and even pictures
on my personal homepage www.thedoors.at/klaus.html I use this instrument asa
replacement for the Vox organ Ray Manzarek used to play while he was in the
Doors. BTW, the link www.thedoors.at/klaus.html may also be interesting for
you, because XTC is listed there either. Please visit me!

See you
Klaus from Austria
www.thedoors.at/klaus.html

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:52:16 -0800 (PST)
From: andrew sneddon <andrew_sneddon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Alright, I confess!
Message-ID: <20010314095216.26928.qmail@web611.mail.yahoo.com>

1. Jessica Gluckman said: Anyone try to win someone
over and send a subtle message by putting "Seagulls
Screaming Kiss Her Kiss Her" on a mix tape?

Er, that would be me then!  I think "I can't own her"
found it's way onto the same tape too.  The girl in
question thought it very sad in a Nick Hornby kind of
way.

BUT IT WORKED!!!!!!  We have now been an item for
about the last year so here's to the power of XTC!

2. Mummer is definitely my all-time "no 2" album.  I
always find something fresh there when I go back to
it.
Fave track probably is "Great Fire".  And I for one
also love "Bungalow" off Nonsuch too.

Er, that's all for now.

Be good

Andrew

ps watch SPACED on channel 4!!

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:31:41 +0800
From: The Worrier Queen <myrone@tesco.net>
Subject: more salmagundie
Message-ID: <3AAF64AD.B4F64912@tesco.net>

Look I've only just found a parking space.

Now I have the war chariot parked safely, the firey steeds have their
asbestos nosebags filled with coal and the hell hounds have a large bowl of
brimstone I can catch up with the posts.

Blimey you have been busy.
So in the interests of keeping it short here goes.

Nonsuch is brilliant and I think you grow into liking it.
Took me a couple of years & two copies to realise this.

That Wave and Then She Appeared should be together IMO.  One is the storm,
the other the calm.  The weakest track for me is Bungalow - yes it's sad,
another look into a future that seems to hold little more than this.  I do
skip it most times - I really don't like the schmaltzy feel it has.
Omnibus is *fun* 'Nough said ok?  Do what you will with your copy but hands
off mine.
Humph!
Rook should get one of those preservation orders put on it.  Music for the
long dark nights of the soul.

Mummer's brill and if Love on a Farmboy's Wages or Funk Pop a Roll ever
stops knocking my socks off, then have a whip round for some flowers cos
I'm dead.
Count me in on the 'I like Frost Circus and Procession too' list.
They're in the wrong place - a second cd would have been just the right
place.  Well a girl can dream.

If I'm accepted into the Crusaders for Mummer, no poncho please and moss
green brings me out in a rash.  The measurements are in the mail Deb but
maybe you should add a few inches here & there ja?  Perhaps Harrison would
care to try the hold themselves up (NOT) stockings instead of tights?  I
*do* know you can get these in moss green.

Big Express - still thinking about it but Soul Train has to be played at my
funeral/memorial and I Remember the Sun is the best Colin song, and I
refuse to be swayed on this
Washaway?
UmmO  (It's my newish mantra)
No - doesn't work for me.

At the end of the day it's all subjective innit?

I can't find a font based on the ES type, but if anyone can help me make
one - ie has the experience and the software - can you get in touch off
list - ta.

Ben revealed himself as another Midnight Oil fan:

> And, finally: Midnight Oil is, apparently, touring in the U.S. beginning in
> May.  Does that rock or what?  I'm cranking "Diesel and Dust" right now
> because I love songs like "Warakurna" and "Sell My Soul."  Go!  Listen!
> Now!

I have been for sometime, although I can't claim the in depth knowledge of
other Chalkers.  All I'll say is it kicks and I *really really really* hope
they get to the UK.

An idle thought: why isn't chocolate mentioned in Church of Women?

this is has been a hand typed production and you should have seen it before
it got
edited.

The "well someone has to like Reign of Blows" Warrior Queen

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:21:37 -0700
From: "Steve Johnson" <sjohnson@co.missoula.mt.us>
Subject: You Won't Engage Me
Message-ID: <saafa8ad.088@mail.co.missoula.mt.us>

I will not be dragged into this "Mummer vs. Wasp Star vs. Nonsvch
vs. The Big Express vs. Apple Venus vs. Oranges and Lemons" debate.

Instead, I will simply issue a challenge:  If you don't like
"Bungalow" or "Dear God" or "Smartest Monkeys" or whatever, then write
something better!  As Mr. Partridge says, anybody can do it if they
just get off their lazy cheeks.  So let's submit our entries in the
"Write Something Better Than XTC's Worst Piece of Crap" contest.

Okay, I lied.  I will engage, but only briefly.  "Humble Daisy" is a
great song, in the tradition of "Love on a Farmboy's Wages" and
"Ladybird."   For me, it's right up there with (in no particular
order):

Chalkhills and Children
Mayor of Simpleton
Wrapped in Grey
Greenman
Knights in Shining Karma
The Wheel and the Maypole
You and the Clouds...
Senses Working Overtime
We're All Light
River of Orchids

And so on...

Sincerely,

Steve (I Found Myself a Liarbird) Johnson

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:24:11 -0600
From: JH3 <jh3@winco.net>
Subject: Better than the Zombies and the Pretty Things, too
Message-ID: <00f301c0acf7$06db2a60$8cf190cf@JH3.alternatech.net>

From: "pop boy" <powerpopboy67@hotmail.com>:

>If even the worse tracks that xtc have written are
>better than any other band has ever produced (as
>is often tediously commented upon on this list) why
>dont people put all their most disliked tracks onto
>one cd and listen to it?

Because when you do that, you end up hearing things
in these seemingly "less-favored" tracks that you might
not have noticed before, or the mere repetition of the
various hooks and so forth stick in your head, and you
end up liking them MORE as a result, so that they're
no longer your most-disliked tracks - and then you have
to go and burn ANOTHER CD or dub ANOTHER cassette
or whatever containing your NEW most-disliked tracks,
so you listen to THOSE and you like THOSE more, and
you keep having to do it AGAIN and AGAIN in a bizarre,
unending cycle that NEVER ENDS until you've burned
EVERY SINGLE XTC TRACK EVER RECORDED onto CD's
of your most-disliked tracks, and even THEN it doesn't
stop because you just have to go back to the original
set of most-disliked tracks because you probably threw
the first CD away or gave it to one of your friends, and
it goes ON AND ON AND ON AND ON until you just can't
stand it anymore, and you start to think "Why the hell
am I doing this anyway, why don't I just burn CD's of
my FAVORITE XTC tracks and have done with it, or
why don't I just listen to the original albums themselves
so I don't have to keep burning CD's that cost $1.29 per
disk, but NO, you have to KEEP GOING because THAT's
WHAT YOUR LIFE HAS NOW BECOME, just an unending
cycle of deciding what your most-disliked XTC tracks
are, and then changing your mind, etc. etc.

Of course, that might not be true for everybody.

John H. Hedges III
XTCware: http://www.jh3.com/xtc

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:30:57 -0500
From: "Chris" <chris@compudrivel.com>
Subject: Hats off
Message-ID: <003801c0acf7$f74ea580$8e3a0040@compudrivel.com>

Wow. I didn't know there were so many talented musicians on this mailing
list. I listened to songs on the MP3 station (Chalkhillers, is it?). Many
flavors of XTC. I have unbridled compassion for songwriters. The creative
process involves long and sometimes acrimonious, seemingly never-ending
sessions in the quest to "get it right". And the end more than justifies the
means. Break a few eggs, you make a few omelettes.

giving credit where credit is dew, i remain, sirs, your most humble obedient
servant,

Chris
compudrivel powers the internet

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:31:31 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net>
Subject: Zappa
Message-ID: <l03130300b6d5e592a95f@[206.231.24.71]>

>"Smith, David" <David.Smith@tfeurope.com>
>Subject: RE: Zap me vitals . . .
>Message-ID: <4BBE67B71C1DD411A23600508B65F71E01168D96@tfsecmsg04.tfseur.co.uk>
>
>Parrots, lemurs and rooks, I greet you.
>
>Help me please . . . Zappa. Never got into him, never
>really tried. Always got the impression he was
>deliberately kooky and weird, which ain't necessarily
>my thang. However, enough of youse guys rave about him
>to whet my appetite. What's the best point of entry?
>
>C'mon, 'fess up and convert an ignoramus.

  Check out Freak Out, Absolutely Free and We're Only In It For The Money,
the first three Mothers Of Invention albums. Those are the essential Frank
Zappa in my opinion, it was after that he began disappearing up his own
asshole, though everything of his up until around Hot Rats is worth
checking out because the music is wildly experimental and/or jazzy and
there aren't too many words. Those there are are either rather cryptic or
scatalogical, but the music is interesting enough that it doesn't matter.
Hot Rats is particularly notable for a Captain Beefheart vocal cameo and
the TV theme that should have been, "Peaches En Regalia." After about 1970
he starts to lose me, I rented the video of 2000 Motels and it's one of the
few supposedly hip movies I couldn't sit through. It had nothing to
recommend it, at least The Monkees' Head didn't make sense in an
interesting way. There's little else post 1970 by Zappa that interests me,
though Adrian Belew's Bob Dylan imitation on Sheik Yerbouti gave me a
chuckle or two, and "Valley Girl" is a very endearing novelty song. I also
noticed a couple of pretty good C&W parodies on You Are What You Is when I
gave it one spin. Other than that, Zappa has interested me in the last
twenty-five years of his life when he shuts up and plays his guitar, which
admittedly he does very well.

Christopher R. Coolidge
"The bad news is, there is no key to the universe. The good news is, it has
been left unlocked."
-Swami Beyondananda

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:52:57 -0500
From: Groove Disques <info@groovedisques.com>
Subject: Zappa Crappa, Harrison in Wonderland?
Message-ID: <4.1.20010315013238.0099bc20@mail.digiweb.com>

"Smith, David" <David.Smith@tfeurope.com> asked:

>Help me please . . . Zappa. Never got into him, never
>really tried. Always got the impression he was
>deliberately kooky and weird, which ain't necessarily
>my thang...

I'm with you.  I had a friend who tried to turn me onto Zappa numerous
times in all sorts of "enhanced" states and the best thing I could say
about him was that a few of the bits on Uncle Meat were funny and that he
could play a good guitar solo if he'd shut up.  Of course, he had a series
of guitar solo excerpts entitled "Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar," or
something like that.  He also summed up my opinion of his music with a
poster in the '70s of him sitting on the toilet and the title "Zappa
Crappa";)  My friend made a great effort, but no dice.

>In the latest Mojo magazine it's reviewed and summarised as "the
>best solo album ever by any of the Beatles". Opinions?

In the face of the publicity machine that will henceforth greet any new
release related to the Fabs, I would respectfully disagree.  It's among the
best, but I can only make it through the abundance of long, world-weary
songs like "Isn't It a Pity" and "My Sweet Lord" so many times.  Then
there's the useless jam session album.  The first Plastic Ono Band album is
a work of art, even Lennon's world-weary songs (eg, "God") are done with
style and economy.  McCartney's Band on the Run is the most enjoyable.  The
title track, Jet, 1984 (or whatever year it is), and others make up 50% of
the most essential "classic" power pop songs (you can round out the list
with "Go All the Way", "Surrender", "White Lies", and another assorted half
dozen).

My ranking of poor George's solo masterpiece at good old #3 compared with
his former, dominant bandmates reminds me of something I don't remember
seeing discussed here or elsewhere in the world of XTC literature but that
struck me and my friends the first time we listened to Mummer:  Does anyone
else make a George Harrison/Colin Moulding connection when Colin sings
about "no dark horse like me..." in "Wonderland?

Jim
www.groovedisques.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:47:01 -0800
From: "Ray Michno" <rmichno@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Japanese Imports
Message-ID: <200103151247.EAA22303@mail10.bigmailbox.com>

>> It appears there will be roughly a 50/50 break of the albums
>> into two release dates. Older stuff first. What I just realized
>> this morning is I don't see the Dukes "Chips" CD here. I am
>> suprised it wasn't reissued with these, maybe it will be later.
>> Japaneese releases normally predate UK\Worldwide releases by
>> about two weeks. So these should be available worldwide starting
>> around April 23. I do believe the Miniature LP Sleeve packaging
>> will be a Japan only option though.

When somebody buys one of the Japanese releases, can you please let
us know what the sleeve packaging looks like? I'm wondering if I
should just wait for the worldwide releases or if I should spend
some extra $$ and get the Japanese copies.

And no, I can't afford BOTH.

Also, where (online) can I order the Japanese releases?

-Ray-

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:19:35 -0500
From: "Brian" <mattone@bhip.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Kiss my aura, Dora
Message-ID: <007f01c0ad52$97762600$ec0bffd1@Brian>

Tschalkgerz!

>I've had my aura photographed; kirilian photography is as exact a science
>as any other, it's just not accepted by all scientists. Don't knock it if
>you haven't tried it.

Don't knock what if you haven't tried what?
Getting a photograph of the ionization effect of the electricity around my
body?
Whoop-de.
It's been explained here what 'Kirlian photography ' is.
Why do I want a picture of that?
We already understand the science of ionization.

>That said, it's not something I take as gospel truth either.

Well, which is it?
You must have an opinion one way or the other.

>The fact that we used to think you couldn't split the atom and now
>thanks to Einsteinian physics we know we can isn't something I think about
>every day either.

And that doesn't mean they don't exist.
I didn't think about Pakistan yesterday, but I'm sure it was still over
there, next to India.

>There are two things in life for me as far as what's true, what I accept
>and understand to be true and what I don't understand
>yet. At least 90% of what comes out of the so-called New Age movement is
>poorly researched crap;
>I'm interested in the remaining 10%.

Remember: unexplained does not necessarily mean inexplicable.

>My problem isn't with Kirilian photography, it's with people taking a
>potentially interesting idea for cutting edge research(such as
>Kirilian photography) and take it to its illogical lunatic
>conclusion; when they start spouting jargon that I don't understand
>and I'm not sure they do, that's where they lose me.

They spout unintelligible jargon becasue they want to take their
hair-brained ideas and foist them on us with some kind of dressing that
'sounds' scientific and legit, when it's not. You want to know more about
this? 'Why People Believe Weird Things', by Michael Shermer. Try Amazon.com.

>But by all means, check out some of the 10%; I've been doing Hatha
>Yoga off and on for all my adult life(20 years), and if it weren't for the
>chiropractors I've seen(both network and traditional) I'd be walking around
>like a bent old man from multiple broken ribs in a car accident a number of
>years ago.

Yikes! It's starting to sound like a veritable New Age dictionary in
here...yoga... chiropractic...

>There's also some very interesting research being done by various
>Spiritualist churches and organisations around the world that
>offers ways you can verify with your physical five senses that the human
>personality continues to exist beyond the change called death and can
>communicate with its loved ones left behind if they pay attention in the
>correct way.

In the correct way?
Bullshit.
How does one discern between really doing such a thing and the
'voices-in-the-head' syndrome (i.e., mental illness ormalfunctioning of some
sort)?

>The question is, what burden of proof is required for true science?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

>If you mean in a laboratory, can't help you there, which is why some
sciences reject parapsychology as a true science.<

What we skeptics want is verifiable, repeatable evidence that can be
acquired by others doing the same tests or having the same experience. If a
giant burning wooden cross appeared over the 7-11 and a LOT of people saw it
and brought home some chunks of burnt wood that fell from it and even had to
be treated for smoke inhalation or burns, then I'd start believing. Maybe.
Until then...

>The point being, keep an open mind, but by all means be cynical about
>human nature.

Not cynical.
Skeptical.
Demand proof.
Everything we experience in our daily lives has some real world application.
Physical reality dominates. Anything that we want to have happen needs to
operate within the same physical laws that we have to deal with everyday.
You cannot escape this. Any supposed phenomenon that behaves in a manner
that violates these physical laws likely does not exist except in the minds
of those wishing to hell (to coin a phrase) that it did.

>Leave it to human beings to take a good idea and take it to some weird
>place which makes no sense. For those who are skeptics and atheists, take
>heart, Buddhists are effectively atheists too. You don't need to believe
>in a SkyGod to believe in a guiding scientific principle to human
>existence, and you don't even need to understand it. I'm sure Andy
>understands that, as a skeptic who greatly reveres the natural world.
>There is such a thing as natural law, including the laws of physics and
>other laws that are somewhat more esoteric. It's a good thing to be
>skeptical and incredulous, skeptics tend to understand better once they
>do accept something.

You still seem to be flip-flopping here... are you or aren't you?
And everyone is an atheist.
I'm pretty sure the devout here don't believe in more than one 'god', and
there have been many gods humans have worshipped throughout history. You
have certainly rejected all of those other gods, you atheists, you.

-Brian Matthews
http://www.stonetrek.com
XTC still rules.

	[ Although I admit I find this topic somewhat amusing, I
	  hereby request that it be taken off-list.  Thanks.  -- John ]

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:31:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Ira Lieman <ilieman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Purposely Un-accessible Songs...blah!
Message-ID: <20010315133130.17671.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com>

Chalkers,

I'm delurking for a brief shining moment.

Who was the guy/gal that wanted to shoot the one who mixed "Lucky One," the
first song on Michael Penn's MP4 album? This was a little while ago and I
initially took offense to the remark because I naively thought, "He should be
able to mix the song the way he wants, if it's OK with the artist."

I've been listening to that album a little more in recent days and I
finally agree with you. The song is a great piece of radio-friendly "adult
contemporary" that even you under-16s might enjoy. The music is catchy,
the lyrics are subversive enough that you Britney Spears fans wouldn't be
able to tell, and I would think it could have been a minor hit for
Mr. Penn...until the end of the song...which makes it completely
unsatisfactory because it changes into a dirge.

Why would any artist PURPOSEFULLY do something like that? If I had the
talent to write something like "Lucky One" why wouldn't I polish it (or
have it polished) just enough to make sure the radio guys would listen to
it...

What XTC songs do you think might fit into this perception? Off the top of
my head, most of the "hit-friendly" songs haven't been bastardized like
"Lucky One" has. And Andy & Colin have created songs that fit into the
"friendly" mold but haven't been sent to the tops of the charts. Michael
Penn had one BIG hit about 12 years ago or so, so he's at least tasted
success on that level. Why would he piss me off to this extent? Who
knows. But even if this indie artist mentality skews your musical vision,
it's not bad to have a hit.

</soapbox>

Thanks for your kindly faked attention.

-ira "stuck in the '80s" lieman

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:58:05 -0600
From: Jason Phelan <jphelan@ICGCopyright.com>
Subject: Moe, Larry and Curlian Photography and ZAPPA
Message-ID: <CBE4754489E8D211816000500416EAE00E7174@w162.z064002150.bna-tn.dsl.cnc.net>

Loyal Subjects of Chalky surroundings and elevated spaces!

I heard there is a cool Kirlian Photography mailing list that isn't the same
one as the XTC list hint hint - get the Kirlian picture!!!????!!!!!

To the poster of questions on ZAPPA, I was in the same boat as you. I don't
know what the best way to get into him is, but I will tell you how I did.
Somehow I got a hold of the live album, JUST ANOTHER BAND FROM L.A.  That of
"Billy The Mountain" and "Call Any Vegetable" fame. That's what eased me
into wanting to know more. Then I got SHIEK YERBOUTI.

Once again, does anyone know about the release dates in the US for the
re-issues and/or any of the box sets for XTC?

Currently deciding on be-heading the jester,
THE SKYLAR KING

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:30:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Queen of Sardines <heather@sylvanfells.net>
Subject: Boingo Replacement (not XTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103150718120.27574-100000@tanqueray.drunk.org>

Brian's .sig: (I'm not touching that aura photo stuff):
-Brian Matthews
http://www.stonetrek.com
With Boingo gone, XTC rules the roost.

Actually, I've found a pretty good replacement for my beloved Boingo--a
local(San Francisco) "swing from Hell" band, Lee Press-on and the
Nails.  They have that Boingo sensibility (they even cover Goodbye,
Goodbye and Pico and Sepulveda) and Dan's wild man act.  I recommend you
check them out.  Due to a tangle with their record company (sound
familiar?) their first albums aren't available, Lee Press-on recommends
that you download them from Napster.  ;)

Now, next time I'm at my sister's house on Topanga, I'm going to drive up
the road to Elfman's house and pummel him until he agrees to releash
another OB album.  Score to "A Civil Action" my ass.

heather
Oh, and I really like XTC, too.
*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
"The problem with being a cynic
 is that you can't really enjoy being right,
 because being right means somebody is suffering." -- Tora

"The best part of being a cynic is that you can only be pleasantly
 surprised." -- me

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:23:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Al LaCarte <allacarte@yahoo.com>
Subject: Exhumed
Message-ID: <20010315162350.7625.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com>

All:

>Vgly Vnderneath. ELO<

shite

Al

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:20:04 -0500
From: sjacobs <sjacobs@parkgrp.com>
Subject: Re: Zappa for President
Message-ID: <B6D67204.58C%sjacobs@parkgrp.com>

on 3/13/01 12:22 PM, <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> at
<owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> wrote:

> Help me please . . . Zappa. Never got into him, never
> really tried. Always got the impression he was
> deliberately kooky and weird, which ain't necessarily
> my thang. However, enough of youse guys rave about him
> to whet my appetite. What's the best point of entry?

Ok, for starters...try
1. " Apostrophe"
2. "Overnite (sic) sensation"
and maybe
3. "Strictly Commercial"

PLEASE try apostrophe first...it's funny, clever and instrumentally awesome.
If you are really lucky, Ryko Disc had Apostrophe and Overnite on one disc
(serial no. RCD 40025).  You may still be able to find it....it was the
first CD I ever brought, even before I had anything to play it on!

Zappa is going to be weird, believe me...but if you persevere you will
conquer.  Be warned,  he has churned out a lot of unpleasent stuff too.

Enjoy my friend

Yak

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:22:10 -0500
From: sjacobs <sjacobs@parkgrp.com>
Subject: Re: Dirtsurfer
Message-ID: <B6D67282.58D%sjacobs@parkgrp.com>

Has anyone ever ridden/owns an Australian Dirtsurfer?
If you have one you will know what it is!

Any comments?

Yak

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:30:09 -0500
From: "Michael D. Myers" <mmyers@telcordia.com>
Subject: Bubblegum album vs. "That Thing You Do"
Message-ID: <OFFE8291E3.6DEACF8A-ON85256A10.0063636D@cc.telcordia.com>

Chalksters and Chalkettes;

I was thinking about Andy's concept for the aborted "Bubblegum Album".  If
I understand it correctly, Andy proposed that the band would record a whole
album of material, and each song would be attributed to a different "fake"
band, all of which had silly names.  I believe the proposal was such that
the label (Virgin?) would put out a press announcement indicating that they
had reached a licensing arrangement with some little-known record label
from the 60's/70's that specialized in bubblegum-styled music.   It was to
be a fairly elaborate joke and would give XTC another chance to pull-off a
Dukes-like hoax.  Unfortunately, it was not to be.

Well, that led me to think about a pretty clever movie I saw a couple of
years back called "That Thing You Do".  Tom Hanks wrote and directed the
movie.  The story line revolves around a young band from Erie, Pennsylvania
with a hit single;  they're called the Wonders.  They come out of nowhere
and their recording is picked up by "Play-Tone" records, who begin the
process of making them stars.  The movie does a great job of depicting how
these guys embrace the challenges put before them as they join the
"cavalcade of stars" that the record label promotes and sends on tour all
over the country.  It's set in 1964, and it depicts a 2-month period from
when they are discovered until the band flames out because of "creative
differences".  I particulary liked the scene when they hear their record on
the radio for the first time.  There is real joy, and you can see that it's
a total rush for them.  Tom Hanks plays their manager.

How are paragraphs 1 and 2 of this message connected?  Hanks and others (I
believe the guys from "Fountains of Wayne") wrote a whole soundtrack of
imaginary hits, all of which sound like things you would have heard on the
radio in 1964.  In fact, I'm sure that the title song would have been a hit
in 1964;  it's that good, and sounds as if it really was of that era.  Of
course, it really was written in 1996.   I was listening to the soundtrack
in the past few days, and there is a whole roster of "Play-Tone artists" on
the CD.  There's a Dusty Springfield type, a surf band, a Mitch Miller
sing-along-kind-of group, etc.   When I thought about it, Tom Hanks and
company have taken Andy's concept one step further;  they made a movie.
They created not only an imaginary record label, but depicted a roster of
popular artists who exist only in the movie, and created a really great
soundtrack as well.  As I mentioned, the songs are as good as some
compilations you might buy today of REAL artists from that time frame.
It's pretty psychedelic, man..........

Mike

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:44:44 -0800 (PST)
From: John Relph <relph@mando.engr.sgi.com>
Subject: RE: Zap me vitals . . .
Message-ID: <10103151044.ZM20097@mando.engr.sgi.com>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:27:06 -0000, "Smith, David"
<David.Smith@tfeurope.com> had the gall to say:
>
>Help me please . . . Zappa. Never got into him, never
>really tried. Always got the impression he was
>deliberately kooky and weird, which ain't necessarily
>my thang. However, enough of youse guys rave about him
>to whet my appetite. What's the best point of entry?

I notice that most people seem to be suggesting either mostly somewhat
early works by Frank Zappa (my hero!).  I admit I got heavily into the
works of Mr Zappa later in his career.  I never really listened to
"Absolutely Free" and "We're Only In It For The Money" until recently.
Oh well.

My favorites are still his late '70s post-Warner Bros. works.
Specifically, "Sheik Yerbouti", "Joe's Garage" and "You Are What You Is".
In fact, I think the latter is the Zappa album that gets the most play
around my house (although I don't play Zappa as much these days, because
he's one of the few musical artists that actively annoys my wife).  If you
watched "Saturday Night Live" in the late '70s and remember The Coneheads,
then "You Are What You Is" is for you.  "Sheik Yerbouti" has some of my
favorite tracks, but it's a mixed bag, and some of the tracks are
downright annoying even to me.  "Joe's Garage" should appeal to XTC fans
because it's a concept album about the Music Industry (and why "Music is
Big Trouble").  But the fact that it's a concept album also forced Frank
to stick to the theme, and his songwriting is more concise than in some
other works.  Not to mention that the album contains some of the funniest
and raunchiest songs he ever wrote, including the wonderful "Catholic
Girls", "Why Does It Hurt When I Pee?" and who can forget the classic
"Stick It Out" (most of the German I know comes from this song :-).  And
it also contains what I consider to be one of Frank's most beautiful
pieces of music, "Watermelon in Easter Hay", mostly a guitar
instrumental. (Technically, "Joe's Garage" is actually two albums,
released as two separate LP packages.)

But I could talk about Frank Zappa albums all day.  That said, I'm out of
here.

I remain, yr. obdt. svt.,

	-- John

NP: Nina Gordon "Tonight And The Rest Of My Life", Parthenon Huxley
"Purgatory Falls", The Blake Babies "God Bless", Buddy Judge "Profiles in
Clownhenge", and The Stray Trolleys "Barricades and Angels + Secret Dreams
of a Kitchen Porter" (Martin Newell and friends).  On shuffle.

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:47:12 +1100
From: "Culnane, Paul" <Paul.Culnane@DCITA.GOV.AU>
Subject: XtC reissue news
Message-ID: <17E19E6D5085D41196240000E896881D01584461@g5dccbr0ms01.dcita.gov.au>

This comes from www.mojo4music.com:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

15 March 2001 | 04:44 PM
XTC Go 2 It

Mid Price Re-Release Bonanza

Virgin Records are re-releasing all ten XTC albums on their books, in the
digitally remastered, bonus-track-attached CD format now familiar to music
buffs, on May 28 2001.

Coming straight out of Swindon in 1975, Andy Partridge, Colin Moulding,
Terry Chambers and Barry Andrews (later replaced by Dave Gregory)
characterised their highly individual brand of pop music by weaving in
complex arrangements and quirky lyrics. Their first two albums, White Music
and Go 2 were warmly received by the music press, but it was their third
album, the Steve Lillywhite-produced Drums And Wires, that achieved initial
commercial success through the Top 20 UK single Making Plans For Nigel.

XTC never quite achieved the dizzy apex of success their devoted following
believed they deserved, the psychological pressures of touring taking a
particular toll on frontman Partridge, who also had run-ins with the band's
various producers. XTC eventually parted company with Virgin in 1992 after
the release of Nonsuch and signed to Cooking Vinyl in 1999.

All the Virgin re-releases include original tracks and artwork, plus the
usual bonus nuggets, and retail in the wallet-friendly mid-price range. XTC
lovers should also seek out the first five albums by the band on Special
Edition Japanese Import released on April 9, with the latter five following
on May 14.

The Virgin albums are:

White Music (1977)
Go 2 (1978)
Drums And Wires (1979)
Black Sea (1980)
English Settlement (1982)
Mummer (1983)
The Big Express (1984)
Skylarking (1986)
Oranges & Lemons (1989)
Nonsuch (1992)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

~~p@ul

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