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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 7, Number 12

                  Saturday, 3 March 2001


                   Re: church of women
                A Thirty Year-Old Puppy...
                      Re: Annandale
               Re: Nonsuch a disappointment
                        Who Cares!
                Hello All & Some Thoughts
       Erbium, Ytterbium, and what was the other??
                     Wasp Star, yes!!
                   Brave Sir Robin ...
                       Re: Blegvad
                Andy Partridge interview.
                      Ollie Halsall
                   Whoah, there partner
                     Nonsuch nonsense
                Yes, it's Top of the Pops
                    The Zither Project
                       Space Patrol
                      RE: xTc Homage
               Andy's stage fright dilemma
                        Cream Book
                 A Place in the Pantheon
              need 126 color cartridge film


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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:27:13 EST
Subject: Re: church of women
Message-ID: <>

> >i like(d) the song "church of women" but i got sick of it so fast that
> >now i always skip over it.
> OHMIGAWD .... I just LIVE for the guitar solo! Andy is a guitar god!

Amen, Warren. That solo is my favorite part of the entire disk.



Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:45:19 -0600
From: "John M. Hackney" <>
Subject: Annandale
Message-ID: <>

Not at all certain, but I always thought that Annandale referred to
Annandale, Virginia.  I was living in D.C. not too long after Steely Dan
released the song in question, and it seems as though the word on the
street was that it referred to this particular suburb, and that some member
of the band had attended high school there or something to that effect-------



Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:00:34 -0000
From: "Rory Wilsher" <>
Subject: A Thirty Year-Old Puppy...
Message-ID: <005501c0a29b$2092dc20$804c063e@oemcomputer>

...yeah, and then some!

Hello Hillians

As some of you may have observed, there was a proposal mooted a few weeks
back to gather UK Chalkhillers in one place. Well, whilst it's all been
quiet on the Hill, I'd like to let you know that, like a swan that appears
to glide effortlessly over the water, we've been paddling away like mad
beneath the surface. Some of you will know this already, but here goes:

We will be meeting up in Oxford over the weekend of 12/13 May. So far,
there's about a dozen of us, and another six "maybe"s. (You know who you
are.) If anyone else would like to participate who hasn't already heard from
me, or any of the others who've been involved, please e-mail me privately. I
can't claim to be the originator of this plan, but seem to have volunteered
myself into being the central point of contact.

On a related subject, I have enlisted the skills of one of our resident
artists to come up with a t-shirt design for the event. This will revolve
around the "pie trap" theme, so any of you who can't make it, live overseas
etc., but would like one, please let me know - I'll send you a copy of the
design and cost. (All of this is being done on at "at cost" basis - I have
no need or desire for profit from fellow Chalkhillers.)

XTC content: still playing WS in my car (i-i-i-n my c-a-a-a-r! As Andy never
sang). And, yes, it's STILL good.



Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:41:34 EST
Subject: Re: Annandale
Message-ID: <>

> First:
> >"california tumbles in to the sea,
> >that'll be the day i go back to annandale..."
> Where is Annandale exactly? I assume it's somewhere on the US east coast,

Well, Dunks...

 yeah, that would be  Bard College... Annandale-on-Hudson, New York

  (near Barrytown)       eddie st martin


Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:22:05 EST
Subject: Re: Nonsuch a disappointment
Message-ID: <>

Taste is a funny old thing..... .
                Sylvan gives a reasonable attempt at a slimmed down version
of the NonSuch album. But I must object to the omission of Humble Daisy. It
is one of those songs that goes nowhere on the first dozen listens, but then
it unfolds like a mimi-masterpiece. It is probably the one song on the album
that would go on an XTC top ten cassette (although My Bird Performs is a bit
special too). An odd little song about an odd subject, it has all the beauty
of an ugly duckling, and is all the more special for it!!
                "I'll sing about you if nobody else will.............."


Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:43:03 -0500
From: "Chris" <>
Subject: Who Cares!
Message-ID: <004301c0a2ca$e2d9ec40$>

I do. "Wake up" is an important track in the XTC Anthology. It is also my
vote for the most AP sounding of CM's songs. The first two lines, I swear
that's Andy singing. Maybe it is, in which case I'm right *smug grin* but
it's Colins song for sure. The reason why it's an important track (IMHO) is
while working with a good producer, it is a precursor to working with one of
like merit. XTC's recording potential is quite realized, crystallized on
this particular track, among other songs on the BE. It's a shame that David
Lord didn't produce the whole album, how much better would it have sounded
if he did? But it's ok. Kinda like wishing what MTV Unplugged would be like
had Lennon & McCartney been able to play Love me do. Or Drive my car. Or A
day in the life.

Futile *sigh*

compudrivel powers the internet.


Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:53:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Bob McKnight <>
Subject: Hello All & Some Thoughts
Message-ID: <>

Hello to All,

I am posting for the first time but have been reading this list for
probably 6 months. I'm from Southern Ontario in Canada [Draw a straight
line and I'm American but our pop cultures do differ.We canucks are more
heavily influenced by England. So my appreciation for XTC goes back to
seeing the vid promo clip for "This  Is Pop" on a canadian program called
"The New Music" which was at the time was a truly innovative program that
exposed me o a lot of great music. I live in an industrial city an hour
outside of Toronto called Hamilton which is also only an hour from the
U.S. border. So we also had MTV feeds when it was in it's infancy. Some of
my favorite music comes from the states and all it's diverse sounds and
styles. XTC however is an island upon itself .A true musical oasis. I
clearly remember first seeing that video and going wow this is so "cheeky"
and brilliantly[undeniably]british. They actually played my home town
during the "Drums and Wires " tour but and i can still kick my own ass for
it did not go. I, like others that i knew thought we'll see them again
next tour. That was a bad move as a friend of mine who went can still laugh
about it as he saw the show. I 've loved their approach to music on each
and every album from the beginning, particularly the "Dave Gregory Era".
Dave's guitar stylings always thoughtfully filled out the songs. As i have
heard many chalkers go on about what a mediocre album "Wasp Star" is. Just
imagine those songs being arranged with Dave's help and the guitar leads
hooks and fluorishes he could have added to those songs. It truly saddens
me that Andy and Dave aren't even on speaking terms anymore. AV1 however
was a great joy to behold because the production and arrangements were
fantastic. I truly think this is Andy's "skylarking" on his own terms.

Now what's all this bitching about "Nonesuch". I think it's an excellent
album and the good songs are so strong that the weaker ones just glide on
by. "Wrapped in Grey" is one of the most uplifting songs i've ever

I'm almost done. As for new music for chalkers to sink there teeth into i
recommend a band from Philly called "Marah" . First of all they sound
nothing like XTC but they are the true essence of what "rawk" music should
be. If you crossed early Springsteen with Wilco and the Replacements you
would come up with this band. I've seen them open for Steve Earle[ another
big fave of mine ] and was floored by their live show.

Let's hope Andy and Colin keep growing old together!

Bob "from the hammer"  McKnight


Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:24:38 EST
Subject: Erbium, Ytterbium, and what was the other??
Message-ID: <>


>Last years question, for the trivia-minded, was 'what
>town has 4 elements of the periodic table named after

Ytterby, Sweeden.  (And I didn't even have to look it up!  Look out, Ben

What would the XTC town name be?  (this could be a thread!)  How about
>Oh by the way - Richard Thompson was just over here for a concert tour.
>Jesus christ that guy is SO brilliant.

Isn't he, though?  The thing that gets me is he gets better every time I see
him.  I hate that.
>Even I
>could've got
>better talk
>from the "Bizkit" list...

But the best talk is right here.  Why settle for less?  Oh, and your English;
you're not related to the Bushes, by any chance?
>does anyone know if there's a font based on ES or where the type face
>came from?

Wouldn't that just be way too cool!  Jane, let me know if you find one,
please!  Also, I'm interested in an Irish half-unical font, if anyone knows
>Listening to Mummer at the moment.  I can't say Gold does a lot for
>me.  And does anyone like Procession Towards Learning Land?

Dewi, since your new to XTC, I'll clue you in.  The first eight albums were
released originally on vinyl, which I'm sure you suspected.  (And the Dukes,
as well).  At the same time XTC put out a ton of stuff that didn't make the
records; they were singles, B sides, EPs, etc.  When the albums were
re-released on CD, Virgin stuck those songs and bits on the CD, right smack
dab in the middle instead of at the end, as other reissues did.  The Mummer
LP side one ended with Deliver Us From The Elements, and side two began with
Human Alchemy.  Jump, Toys, Gold and Desert Island were released seperately
and not on the LP.  Frost Circus and Procession were from a series of studio
noodlings that Andy dubbed the Homo Safari Series.

The fact that these were put in the middle of the running order is
occasionally a point of great argumentative fun on Chalkhills.  I'm of the
camp that hates it.  I bought all the vinyl releases when they came out, and
remember the record as it was, and it drives me crazy.  Some fellow, I forget
who, did a terrific post a couple of months ago
on a suggested reorganized reissue series.  Very well thought out, and I
loved it.

I strongly urge you to pick up a copy of the book, Song Stories.  Great book!

And while we're on the subject:

>Also the thought that my copy of Skylarking could have had Dear God instead
>Mermaid Smiled on is enough to make me want to go and lie down for a while.

Man, you don't know how much I agree!  I snatched up my copy of Skylarking as
soon as it hit the racks, with Mermaid Smiles.  Maybe I'm biased because of
that, but it just flows so much better!  Dear God in my opinion does not
belong on that record, even if it was considered in the original running
order.  It screws up the whole feel.  I can take the song on it's own, but
not on Skylarking.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know (probaly a stupid question!) how many
units were issued with Mermaid smile before it was released with Dear God?

Also, what would be *the rarest* of all XTC vinyl?
Tom (*what's that funny little sound on that record?) Kingston

*free warbles to  whoever gets that trivia reference!

"There's no such thing as legacies. At least, there is a legacy, but I'll
never see it."


Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:58:27 -0800
From: Ian <>
Subject: Wasp Star, yes!!
Message-ID: <>

First, great discussions going on in these mails. Being a long-time, though
poor of knowledge (so any help in learning more about Andy's other band
names (Rip Van Ruben? I know of Dukes of course), fan, I really have to say
that Wasp Star is one of the best LPs off all times. Ten times better than
Volume One.
I mean I love Stupidly Happy and especially Standing in for Joe. But
these are my opinions and I'm sure others will dispute. So it goes.


Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 05:36:24
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: Brave Sir Robin ...
Message-ID: <>

Recent events in the US courts provide and interesting post-script to our
voracious Napster debate of yore.

How mightily I chuckled. How far and fast they travelled as our digital
Knights In Shining Karma bravely ran away. With what alacrity did they
Assume The Position and spread 'em wide for Messrs Bertlesmann, Sony and
Universal. The instant the courts agree with the majors and threaten to put
our Virtual Robin Hoods out of business, they rolleth over and squealeth
like ye olde stucke piggies.

And what's more - they now claim that they can present the world with
software that will miraculously put the MP3 genie back in its bottle (as if
...) AND guarantee a river of gold to recompense the aggrieved labels and
publishers for all that hurt and upset and lost income.

Laugh? I nearly did. I wonder what that pompous windbag from the Washington
Post had to say now?

Yours in righteousness



Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:08:05 +0000
From: John Peacock <>
Subject: Re: Blegvad
Message-ID: <>
Organization: The Nice Organization

> Mark Fisher he say:
> There's a new Peter Blegvad album imminently out

At last - this was supposed to be out last October... I according to Gary
Davis at it's due out in March, so we'll see.

> It's Blegvad covering his own songs,

On an interview sort of thing PB did on the Charlie Gillett London Live
show last year, it's all the songs that people ask him about that are on
albums that have been deleted - which would be mainly King Strut and Naked
Shakespeare, I suppose, since he did the archaology on Knights Like This a
couple of albums ago.

The downside is that this is sort of an admission that the King Strut
album is unlikely to be rereleased, which is a shame, because it has some
of his best stuff on it, some of which isn't going to make it onto here
(Chicken, for example, or Real Slap in the Face)

> But two of them are 'God Detector' and 'Inside A Gigantic Eye'

Ooh goodie. Dead excited now. Here I am, deciding to stop spending, and
there's a new Blegvad, a new Tortoise, a new Divine Comedy and the Theusz
Haamtaak trilogy together at last on one CD set, as well as my finding a
groovy little experimental electronic/world label I want to
patronise. Life, eh?

> King Strut (which I always think of as a precursor to The Ballad of Peter
> Pumpkinhead - anyone agree?)

I agree. Oh yes.

> Everyone should also own a copy of Blegvad's cartoon book The Book of
> Leviathan, by the way.

This is true. To find out what you are missing:


NP: Dhanak by Ashok Khosla
Cheesy pakistani Ghazal at it's best.

Obligatory self-promotion thing:


Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:24:25 -0000
From: "Richard Hall" <>
Subject: Andy Partridge interview.
Message-ID: <00a001c0a31c$1d8c0020$12e030d5@tinypc>

Hi all, I'm fairly new to the list, but not to XTC. I can remember buying
the 3DEP soon after it hit the shops many years ago....
Anyway, enough oneupmanship, more important things to discuss.
Recently found, lurking in a box after moving home, a cassette recording of
an Andy Interview from the time of Oranges & Lemons, broadcast early 1989.
It lasts for about 45 mins including songs, probably half if they're edited
Is anyone interested in copies?
I can do CDs or Minidiscs, or I could consider posting them somewhere as
MP3s, though this takes a while as I'm modem bound.
If anyone wants copies, I'll welcome any interesting swaps.


Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:20:34 -0000
From: "Richard Hall" <>
Subject: Ollie Halsall
Message-ID: <00ab01c0a323$f3150dc0$12e030d5@tinypc>

Hi all
    Nothing for ages the two posts. I've definitely stopped lurking.

Re the man above. I haven't got any Patto, but I've got the Timebox
compilation(now deleted), which they were before they became Patto (does
that make sense?) Recommended in a eccentric sixties kind of way. He also
did Guitars, Vocals & Keyboards on The Rutles Fab first album. If you
haven't heard that, you must. Immediately. Think Dukes do Beatles and you're
As previously, anyone want copies? swaps welcome


Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:52:47 -0600
From: Jason Phelan <>
Subject: Whoah, there partner
Message-ID: <>

Now, I never said nuthin' about no leavin them there 'Hills!  I was just
having a lil' ol' fun with my feelings about the state of the posts.

Some tee-heed, sume guffawed, some were shocked....and some were awed.

Some couldn't give a crap.

Some thought I was REALLY SERIOUS about Limp Bizkit ( and THAT my friends,
gets 2 squeaks, cuz it's the funniest of them all! )

But rest assured, I am not leaving. And I am not only NOT leaving, I am
posting every time, until the cat who said "I never heard of him" curses my
name to the heavens everynight before he goes to his beddy-bye. I am going
to be more obnoxious than TROUT if that is humanly possible.

But, throw me a bone here people, ya gots to admit, despite the naughty
words, those parodies were FUNNY!  Andy would laugh. He would. Ask Mitch
Friedman, or Simon. In fact, anything scatalogical is prime comedy for Andy
(must have a little bit of French in him).

Doesn't anybody remember LAHF-TAH?

Flame on - I'm Gone (is a line from the Beastie does not mean I
am leaving),


Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:35:54 -0600
From: "Wiencek, Dan" <>
Subject: Nonsuch nonsense
Message-ID: <>

> suffers a bit from weak lyrics and vocals.

Hah? I'll grant you that Andy's vocals are a bit pinched (he needs to relax
a bit or something), but this is simply one of the best lyrics Andy (and,
therefore, just about anyone else) has ever written. The couplet that opens
the first bridge ("Soar up high .../Break the code ...") darn near makes me
weep every time.

Humble Daisy just
> doesn't do
> much for me.

Beautiful song. Completely unorthodox--like Andy says in Song Stories, it
moves in suprising ways and each section is a departure from the one before.
Again, one of Andy's very best lyrics.

Same for That Wave.

Think of it as the Dukes with a big budget. I enjoy it in that sense. And
that guitar solo? Gregsy's finest moment (and, excepting the finale of Books
are Burning, his last hurrah on an XTC record).

Omnibus needs some sort of radically
> different arrangement.

But it *is* radically different! That song sounds like nothing else I've
ever heard. That there are people in the world still willing to make a song
sound so cheerful and demented is a cause for celebration. Omnibus is a
great song, and I can't think of a better arrangement for it.

Bungalow comes off as just a silly
> throwaway.

Bungalow took some time to get used to, I will admit. Now I really enjoy the
humor of it; I think most of the negative responses are from those (esp. us
Americans) who don't realize it's supposed to be funny, or why it's funny.

> The Big Express is a great album, whatever anyone says. ;)
> By the way, does anyone else hear "farting" whenever Andy
> sings "far too
> many" in Reign of Blows?

Yes, and yes. :)

Dan W


Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:21:00 -0500
From: "Michael D. Myers" <>
Subject: miscellaneous
Message-ID: <>

Chalksters and Chalkettes;

Just a few quick thoughts:

-  'Honest' Dave wrote:
> I read quite a few of the interviews with Andy on the Chalkhills website
> (is he a splendid interviewee or what!!)  and he seemed to rate tracks off
> Nonsuch highly.  It was with some expectation that I listened properly to
> the album this weekend.  Have to say 'The Disappointed' was an apt title.
> He doesn't write trash - but these songs don't have any oomph to me.  Or
> real emotional weight.  The artist is so often not the best judge of their
> own material.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but "no real emotional
weight"?  Did you know that these were songs that Andy wrote while
struggling with marital issues as well as a semi life crisis because he
found himself unable to write for a spell?  It also sounds like you might
not be the biggest XTC fan in the world, since you don't sound familiar
with the material.  Do you think that you shouldn't judge a 9-year-old
album after one listening and then make your thoughts public?  Perhaps you
should wait a few weeks and go back for another peek.  While it's not their
best work, I think there's a lot of meat on them thar bones.........

-  Sylvan replied::
>Rook suffers a bit from weak lyrics and vocals. Humble Daisy just doesn't do
>much for me. Same for That Wave.

The story of "Rook" is well-known (after a long period of being unable to
write, Andy placing his hands on the keyboard and the strange chords that
make up the song resulted, as if from some other source), so for me, the
eerie, doomed mindset of the narrator as well as the melody makes this a
first-rate song, however gloomy.  "Humble Daisy" is just OK, but have you
listened to the guitar solo in "That Wave"?  This is one of the
best-produced songs in the group's canon, IMO.  The treated voices, the
wash of instrumentation that batters the singer as if it were a spray of
wind and water, and to top it all off, one of my top 10 guitar solos of all
time?  I invite you to listen again, and think of how the guitar fulfills
the intent of the lyrics as Dave makes his instrument dive and soar in a
perfectly timed masterpiece.  I guess you could say I disagree..........

Dunks asked:
>"california tumbles in to the sea,
>that'll be the day i go back to annandale..."

>Where is Annandale exactly? I assume it's somewhere on the US east coast,
>near where DF and WB went to uni? The main reason I ask is that there is
>actually an inner-city suburb of Sydney called Annandale. Now I don't
>actually think they're referring to THAT Annandale, but stranger things have
>happened ... such as in "Black Friday":

I grew up in northern New Jersey (about 20 miles west of NYC).  Donald
Fagen grew up in Passaic, NJ, just a few miles away and a couple of years
ahead of me.   To answer your question, my money is on Annandale, NJ, USA,
which is located in Northwest NJ, right between Clinton, NJ, and Lebanon,
NJ.   It's a picturesque little burg, but not much is going on there.  Both
Steely Dan guys went to college (Bard) in New York state, so Annandale is
much closer to Fagen's home town than to his university location.

See ya,


Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:46:59 EST
Subject: Yes, it's Top of the Pops
Message-ID: <>

> Yahoo gets their information from a company called Muze. How many
> factual errors can YOU spot? Starting with AP's birthplace listed as
> Swindon, the "high-quality songwriting" of "Sgt. Rock" (ok, that might
> be subjective), and this gem: "After finally showing a profit the band
> decided to move from Virgin in 1996 and signed with Cooking Vinyl
> Records in late 1997."
>  It's really a glowing piece -- XTC are wonderful songwriters that never got
>  their due -- but come on! I could have written a better piece than they did.

I've noticed similar errors for the All Music Guide both online and in
print. Now, granted, they cover an awful lot of musicians at the site so
some errors are bound to creep in. I just never see them corrected.

Re: The Wasp Star debate

I still like the album. Yes, it's not their very best but it has its
moments.  I view it as the bastard child of the bubblegum project as at
least one tune there would have ended up on that album. This is probably
about as close as they'll get to putting together that project. If looked
at as a double album (as was the original intention) it suffers from many
of the same flaws as all double albums--too much marginal material.  I
love the best moments on ES but have felt the same way about it ever since
I picked it up on the Epic label as a single disc.  When I finally heard
the import ( a year or so later) with all the songs I didn't agree with
eliminating some of the tracks but most of the weaker material didn't make
the final cut.

Sometimes it's best to have an editor to help give perspective (that's
where Rundgren, Lilywhite and Lord came in handy).

I'm waiting for Virgin to release their cash in on the Beatles 1 album for
the US market. No No. 1's by Xtc and the song selections would be....

By the way Caviar by Kevin Gilbert is being geared for release sometime
this year. I found out that the Kevin Gilbert Performs songs by Toy
Matinee Live has been postponed indefinitely. This is probably due to Pat
Leonard's re-release of Toy Matinee on CD.

Anyone else here a Emmylou Harris fan? I found Red Dirt Girl to be one of
the finest albums from last year.



Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:02:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Alex Stein <>
Subject: Annandale
Message-ID: <>

Duncan Kimball asked:

<<Where is Annandale exactly? I assume it's somewhere on the US
east coast, near where DF and WB went to uni?>>

The Annandale in question is Annandale-on-Hudson, north of New York
City and home to Bard College, where Becker and Fagen both went in the
late 60s.  Bard was founded as a non-traditional college emphasizing
individual expression and growth over such mundane things as... um...
grades and attending classes.  I'm pretty sure that both Becker and
Fagen were tossed out of college (I guess too much individual
expression doesn't cut it even at Bard).

By the way, the song "My Old School" also discusses taking the
"wolverine" back to Annandale, which I think was a late-night train
that went north from New York.



Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:17:11 -0800 (PST)
From: John Relph <>
Subject: The Zither Project
Message-ID: <>


A number of people have been asking about the so-called Bubblegum
album.  So I put an answer in the FAQ (Answers to Frequently Asked
Questions), which reads:

--- ---

40. What happened to the proposed "bubblegum" album?

Karen O'Brien did an interview with Andy Partridge for _The Independent on
Sunday_, published on September 6, 1998:

    [In 1993] Partridge had presented a new project, songs he had
    written as homage to the bubblegum-pop bands of the late Sixties to
    early Seventies. He felt the idea was blissfully simple: "I wanted
    Virgin to say that they'd bought this entire back-catalogue from
    this imaginary label called Zither.  They said, 'So you go on Top of
    the Pops and play one of these songs?' I said, 'No, this is a fake
    historical document!' So they said, 'Okay, we get a young band and
    dress them up in early Seventies clothes?' I said 'No, no!'  They
    just didn't get it." Cue much shaking of pony-tailed heads.

The Zither project was to have been "nicely banal, pitched around 1970, a
dozen tracks about sex. . ." Three of the songs have been released in one
form or another. "Cherry In Your Tree" (originally intended to be performed
by "The Captain Cooks") was released on the children's album _Carmen
Sandiego Out Of This World_ in April 1994. "Candy Mine" was released on a
single Andy Partridge did for John Flansburgh's Hello CD of the Month Club
in November 1994. "Standing In For Joe", released on _Wasp Star (Apple Venus
Volume 2)_, was originally intended for the bubblegum album. And one of the
fictional band names intended for the project, Knights In Shining Karma, was
used as the title of a song released on _Apple Venus Volume 1_.

Some of the other fictional bands to have been recorded for the project
include the following:

    The Lemon Dukes
    Knights in Shining Karma
    The Captain Cooks
    Sopwith Caramel
    The Ten Commandos
    The Twelve Flavours of Hercules
    Solid Gondolas
    The Barbers of Penzance
    Anonymous Bosch
    The Brighton Peers
    The Tweedledeens
    The Herbert Fountains
    Irving Merlin
    The Lollipopes
    The Four Posters
    The Periwig Pack
    Cake's Progress
    Funnel Of Love
    The Rubber Ducks
    Ancient Grease
    The Piccadilly Circus Tent Rip Repair Company
    Kitchener's Sink
    Isambard Kingdom Necessary On A Bicycle?

Some of the songs to have been included on the project include the

    Lolly Let's Suck It And See
    My Red Aeroplane
    Cherry in Your Tree
    Candy Mine
    Jelly Baby
    Standing In For Joe
    I'm The Kaiser
    Visit to the Doctor
    Cave Girl
    All Aboard for Bubble Land

--- end of excerpt ---

Are there recordings of any of these demos (besides the three released

	-- John

NP: Elliot Smith - Figure 8


Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:12:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Jessica Gluckman <>
Subject: Mummer
Message-ID: <>

Dewi Thompson wrote:

> Listening to Mummer at the moment.  I can't say Gold does a lot for
> me.  And does anyone like Procession Towards Learning Land?  It sounds
> too much like an outtake from The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway for my
> liking.  As I'm a newcomer, I'm interested if Mummer is generally
> rated as one of the best albums, or somewhere down the list?

Well, I can't speak for the entire XTC-listening population, but, I know
that of my 11 XTC cds (and yes I'm aware that is a pathetically small XTC
collection), Mummer is my 11th-favorite, although it should be known that
my 11th-favorite XTC album is a lot better than, say, my first-favorite
Ace of Base album (no offense meant for you Ace of Base fans).  I think
however there is a general consensus, at least judging from interviews and
fans, that Mummer is sort of a transitional album between the live
performance phase (a la English Settlement) and the studio-only phase
(like The Big Express).  And as anyone who's read a detailed discography
knows, "transitional" is one of the words you say when you can't honestly
say something glowing, but don't want to say anything mean.

By the way, what do you call an XTC fan? No, that's not a joke, I'm just
wondering if anyone's coined a term for an XTC fan.



Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:35:25 -0800 (PST)
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Space Patrol
Message-ID: <>

Hey folks,

I was doing some surfing, as one does, and I came across this page:

Apparently "Space Patrol Volume 2" includes a bonus interview with
none other than XTC's Andy Partridge!  Does anybody out there in
Chalkhillsland own a copy of this video?  Can you corroborate this

Enquiring minds want to know!

	-- John

NP: David Mead - The Luxury of Time


Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:09:21 -0800
From: "Kerry Chicoine" <>
Subject: RE: xTc Homage
Message-ID: <000201c0a36d$d0b10a00$>

Should any of you be so inclined, I've written what might be termed an
"xTc-meets-the-5th-Dimension" song called 'Coming Down Rain' available at (follow link below). It reminds me a bit of English Settlement-era
xTc, FWIW. Unabashedly lo-fi! Home recorded!

Comments, criticisms, etc. are appreciated. Enjoy!

Kerry Kompost


Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 10:48:38 -0600
From: "Josh Scott" <>
Subject: Andy's stage fright dilemma
Message-ID: <>

I have not read much on Andy's stage fright.  All I've heard
is he started getting it in the early 80s and hasn't toured
since.  Does anyone know whether he has saught professional
help to overcome it?  And if he has, is there any hope for
us XTC fans who came on board a little too late for the live



Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:24:46 EST
Subject: Cream Book
Message-ID: <>

I apologize if this has been mentioned before...

Dave Gregory is given a credit on the back flap of the book "Cream" by Chris
Welch (copyright 2000) for having written the "profile of Eric Clapton."

--Ira : )


Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:41:11 -0600
From: Chris Vreeland <>
Subject: A Place in the Pantheon
Message-ID: <a05010403b6c6d100b1a6@[]>

Fellow Critics,
	A question: Almost a year after the fact, now that all the
ardor about Wasp Star has settled down, in everyone's opinion, where
has it settled amongst the pantheon of xTc albums?

The initial rush to judgement last spring found people in two camps:
Either; "Blechh! I hate it! I'm unsubscribing, my faith is shaken to the core!"
Or: "Omigod! I'm dancing! I'm dancing! Bliss and sweet manna fill the air!"

Has everyone mellowed a bit? More importantly, Has Wasp Star?

For me, XtC albums fall into three categories: (WARNING! OPINION TO FOLLOW!)

1. Truly indispensable, genre defining masterpieces,
English Settlement
Apple Venus vol.1

2. Second tier great works,
Drums and Wires
Black Sea
Dukes of Stratosphere
Oranges and Lemons

3. Slightly flawed, or "transitional" works.
White Music
Big Express

Of course my criteria is subjective and undefinable, so please don't
take me to task over a matter of opinion.
My question is simply, where amongst those three categories does Wasp
Star belong? (or invent your own category)
For me, I find it sort of straddling categories 2 and 3. The focus of
WS musically is something I've longed for since ES, namely, long
stretches of time uninterrupted by anything other than Guitar, Bass
and Drums! However, I think the quality of the songs is uneven, and
the theme not clearly defined. Colin Moulding could really use a dose
of inspiration, and Wounded Horse didn't stand the test of time,
although I liked it at first.
	On the upside, the album has the strongest closing stretch,
and The Wheel and the Maypole is perhaps one of the best two or three
songs Andy Partridge has ever written, and leaves the album on an
amazingly up note, when most of their albums close with a real down
song, emotionally. I'm not complaining. I thing it's a pretty good
album XTc wise, but not amongst their finest.

That's my two cents, how does everyone else feel?



Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 04:23:52 -0800
From: Randy Hiatt <>
Subject: need 126 color cartridge film
Message-ID: <>

Any leads would be great.  My Kirlian camera runs on this film type, it
was discontinued and I'm looking for old stock (it must exist


am bidding at eBay now for a few (2) rolls... wish me luck!



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