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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 8

                Thursday, 13 January 2000

Today's Topics:

                    XTC-related rarity
                 Re: XtC WeDDiNg sONgS...
                       Wedding XTC
             Re: marrilion and zooropa......
            knives don't kill Beatles, guns do
                    Ian and the Dukes
                    Re: Melt the Guns
                 I die! therefore I live!
             Chalkhills Shirts Are Coming....
  Money, Money, Money (wait this isn't an ABBA group) :P
                    Re: River of Sh*t
                         Belinda
                         On Love
                    XTC Wedding Songs
           English Settlement w/embossed cover
                      guns and fags
                      wedding songs
                      Killing Joke??

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Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000112115411.0068b8b4@mcn.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:54:11 -0800
From: Jason Kirkman__Carol Kawase <jkirk@mcn.org>
Subject: XTC-related rarity

Hi, everyone--

If you're the kind of XTC completist who needs everything that's even
related to the band, then you need professional help.  No, no,
sorry--that's not what I meant to say.  I meant to say that I have another
item for your want list.

Howie Klein, the president of the Reprise label, received the 1999 Spirit
of Liberty Award from a group that calls itself People for the American
Way.  Mr. Klein compiled a CD exclusively for the awards ceremony which
features censored songs.  It includes a cover of Dear God.  My source (the
Datebook section of the January 9th San Francisco Chronicle) doesn't
specify whose cover, but presumably it's Sarah McLachlan's from A
Testimonial Dinner.  (She was an Arista artist when TD came out.)  You had
to attend the awards ceremony to receive this CD; it's not going to be
released to the public.  It'll probably show up on eBay (if it hasn't
already--I didn't check).

Other songs on the same CD include Weed Is All We Need, Christine, and Sex
With Your Parents (Lou Reed).  The title of the CD is F**k Censorship.

By the way, do we still just have one American Way?  Is it still the same
American Way Superman used to stand for?  Just wondering.

Thanks for listening.

Jason K.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:43:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Mahoney <stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
Subject: Re: XtC WeDDiNg sONgS...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10001121239230.8834-100000@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>

I think earn enough for us

and then she appeared

are both appropriate
along with big day......which isnt very danceable but is obviously about
the event.

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computers are useless
they can only give you answers.
-picasso
#####################################%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%##########################

stephen mahoney
rockwood clerk
stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us

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Message-ID: <000f01bf5d7d$1b163a80$322301d5@bean1>
From: "Jonathan Bean" <j_bean@talk21.com>
Subject: Wedding XTC
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:16:43 -0800

Congratulations, but no mention of "Big Day",  "Mayor Of Simpleton", "When
You're Near Me I Have Difficulty", or "Ball and Chain" if you and your
betrothed have a sense of fun?

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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:38:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Mahoney <stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
Subject: Re: marrilion and zooropa......
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10001121233060.8834-100000@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>

I havent contributed to this thangy for so long since I am just sitting
back anxiously awaiting av2 to come out......but I needed to put forth my
opinions and curiousities on these two subjects:

I have an ex who is obesessed with u2 and because of that
obsession becoming reinforced into my psyche I can no longer
stomach any u2!!!!!!!

marrilion is a group I havent listened to ever .......
do they bring to mind genesis and king crimson????
or was crimson a reference to something else?

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computers are useless
they can only give you answers.
-picasso
#####################################%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%##########################

stephen mahoney
rockwood clerk
stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us

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Message-ID: <387D0010.12E0@ksbe.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:32:46 -1000
From: "Jim Smart" <jismart@ksbe.edu>
Organization: ksbe
Subject: knives don't kill Beatles, guns do

Sorry to rant off the divine topic of xtc, but I simply must answer
Patricia's pro gun thoughts.

First, there's the laughable "What about knives and sharp objects such
as forks?"

followed by the slightly more rational "If a person has the malicious
intentions of hurting another person, it doesn't matter if they have
access to a gun or not."

Actually, it matters a lot. Recently a guy in my city (Honolulu) went to
work and killed 7 co-workers. It never ceases to amaze me that seemingly
intelligent people can say that he'd have done anyway without guns. Done
what? Stabbed 7 people to death? I don't think so. He bought guns
legally and murdered 7 good people in less than 5 minutes.

Using the Beatles as an example, John Lennon lived in America. Bad luck
for him. An jerk was easily and legally able to purchase a gun (again,
here in Honolulu) and go to NYC and shoot him dead (everyday I miss the
songs that Lennon would have put out these last 20 years). George
Harrison lives in the UK, where guns are hard to come by, so the nut
case that tracked him down wan't able to kill him (thankfully).

I'd say that's a pretty big difference. Guns are more lethal than knives
and forks (am I the only one who thinks that's self-obvious?)

A better argument was made to me in an off-list e mail (sorry, I forgot
your name). He suggested that if George had a gun, he could have
defended himself. Maybe. But statistics show that guns in the home are
way more likely to either kill someone accidentally or be used in a
flash of anger against fellow house members. Guns are the problem, here,
folks. Give me forks and knives, anyday.

Imagine. Melt the guns. REALLY.

Jim

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Message-ID: <007301bf5d50$385dc720$799cbc3e@debraedm>
From: "Debra Edmonds" <Debra.Edmonds@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Ian and the Dukes
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:55:18 -0000

Hello Again Chalkzters

Ben Gott asked the question a few posts back - "Does anyone know, by the
way, if Ian Gregory
was ever asked to join the band?  His drumming with The Dukes is pretty good
(at least in the opinion of a non-drummer!)"

Well, I asked Ian that very same question at work today, and he emailed me
an answer - so here it is:-

- - - - - -

Hello Debie.....

With regard to your question about The Dukes of Stratosphear I can answer as
follows.....

I originally got involved because I knew the lads well ( in fact I shared a
house with one of them! )  I would like to think I was considered partly
because of my understanding of 60's type drumming, and also the sound of my
1964 vintage Ludwig drum kit.

I was never asked to join, but then there would of been no point - the group
did not perform live.  As you know, Andy refuses to perform "on stage" due
to nerves.  However, I think it would have been great to do some live shows
with the Dukes because we could all have been "in disguise", and with a
decent light show and sound system it could have been pretty spectacular.
Another opportunity lost.

Thanks to Ben Gott for the compliment about my drumming by the way....

Ian

- - - - - -

So, there you have it - straight from Ian himself.  By the way, Ian still
has some of Terry's drums in his attic, and also some drumsticks - he left
them behind when he went to Australia.  Ian mentioned to me that he ought to
get Dave to speak to Terry to see if he wants them back, and if not, fix
them up a bit and see if anyone would be interested in "taking them off his
hands" (for a small fee), and then he would split the cash 3 ways between
himself, Dave and Terry.  Would anyone be interested?  (I know Steve Jackson
would be!!)  I said that I thought there would be a few interested parties.
Ian was really surprised to hear that - I think he thought he might get a
fiver for them, if he was lucky!!  I'll let you know if they go ahead with
their little scheme!

Bye for now.

Debie
debie@guitargonauts.com

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Message-Id: <200001130308.TAA22205@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:00:34 -0800
Subject: Re: Melt the Guns
From: "Jeannie" <venusnvy@earthlink.net>

Patricia <gypsypg@pacbell.net> observed:
"If a person has the malicious intentions of hurting another person, it
doesn't matter if they have access to a gun or not."

Patricia, I agree that if someone has malice in their hearts and takes
action, then it is likely they're gonna inflict some degree of harm upon
another, whether they are wielding a gun or a knife.  But, I disagree that,
"it dosen't matter if they have access to a gun or not."  A gun does make a
difference in the finality of the outcome. As an nurse whose worked in the
ER, I've seen far more folks seriously injured or killed because a gun was
used instead of, say, a knife. Guns profoundly increase the lethality of a
violent interaction. And, according to a recent article in The New England
Journal of Medicine the presence of a gun in the home increases the risk of
suicide fivefold. What it boils down to is, yes, the ultimate decision to
kill or not kill lies with the person who pulls the trigger. But, with a
deranged nut case in your home, don't you think you'd stand a better chance
if he or she had a knife rather than a gun?

You also said,
"...when the law abiding public has been
stripped of all means to defend itself, who will protect them from the non
law abiding public?"

This is a slippery slope argument that many gun advocates put forth. But,
let's be practical. Unfortunately, many people who own guns might not be as
responsible with their firearms or as properly trained as you may be.  Gun
manufacturers especially target (no pun intended) women, claiming a gun can
provide protection. And who can blame women, one of the most vulnerable
groups in our violent societyf? I've been tempted myself.  But, once a woman
has brought a gun home to protect herself and/or her family, it increases
the risk that she and her family will be victims of gun-related injury, be
it a gun homicide, suicide, or unintentional shooting.

I obviously don't have the solution, and you posed some very difficult
questions that have no easy answers. I do feel that had George lived here in
the States, his assailant would have probably had a gun, and George would
probably be dead. I'm relieved that his guardian angel-wife was there for
him :)
--jeannie

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Message-ID: <20000113064548.23940.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net>
Date: 12 Jan 00 22:45:48 PST
From: vee tube <veetube@netscape.net>
Subject: I die! therefore I live!

    I'm gonna die on the 33rd! Can you recommend
    a song or two? I hope it will be an XTC song!

        "Hooks don't catch fish!
              Fishermen do!"

Bobby: Don't worry,it's over!

Betty: It's over!

Tommy: Don't!

Revo:  s'tI ytteB!

   And now for something totally different.

           "I love you!
            You! love me!
            We love XTC!"

                 Barney,01-33-00

 I don't think I have much to say right about now.
I think Mr.B done did it to me in the place it
         shouldn't be done!

  So,if you don't mind,I'm gonna find that place,and,
      try to figure out where it belongs!

             Tar,Tar! for now!

                }---:)

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Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000113002903.009f6560@pophost.micron.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:29:03 -0700
From: Phil Corless <philco@micron.net>
Subject: Chalkhills Shirts Are Coming....

Chalkhills Shirts are coming,
Chalkhills Shirts are coming.....

If you read those lines with that Coke jingle in your head, then
you watch too much TV.  :)

http://netnow.micron.net/~philco/chalk.htm

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Message-ID: <20000113074436.11410.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:44:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Molly Fanton <mfanton99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Money, Money, Money (wait this isn't an ABBA group) :P

Well, I'm getting some money, and I'm planning on getting something
special.  I was thinking of getting something XTC related, but I don't
know what.  I need suggestions.  When I was low on cash I sold a lot
of my XTC CDs *gasp, the horror*, but I want to buy them back, slowly.
What do you guys and gals recommend?

Also, this fall, I'm planning on going to England (mainly London).  If
you have any good places that might sound great (besides Swindon) can
you e-mail me?  I know it's early to think about it, but I'd rather
start thinking about it.  This is going to be my first time in
England, and I want to enjoy it.  Thanks.

Molly

Molly's Pages

http://www.angelfire.com/mn/mollyfa99/index.html

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From: WTDK@aol.com
Message-ID: <8c.4c344d.25aee600@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:25:36 EST
Subject: Re: River of Sh*t

Back to XTC, I had this romantic idea of listening to an acoustic guitar
version of "river of orchids", I'll admit it. My fault. :)
Still I think Colin' s rough versions are the best part of the CD.
But my question remains: why Andy/Colin felt the urge to publish this ? All
in all it remains an unnecessary album. I believe Andy is becoming a little
self-indulgent with age. (Come to think of it, "how Easter Theatre came to
be" was quite self-indulgent too)

>By the way, the year half the Beatles turned to shit was 1972--Lennon
>released his awful Sometime in New York City and McCartney released Wild
>Life. Both are horrible albums with absolutely nothing to recommend them.
>Then again, the hard-core Beatles fan might appreciate them. I personally
>like one track on Wild Life--McCartney answers How Do You Sleep? with the
>song Dear Friend.

I am convinced that at least half of the "shitty" post-1970 songs by John or
Paul would have been regarded as good songs if released in 1969.
(let's face the truth, "Let it be" had no more than a couple of really great
songs, and John was already missing. But no one has ever said or written
that "dig a pony" is shit, though it undoubtedly is.)

toto.

On the XTC track first--I agree that Homespun probably isn't what a lot of
fans expected, but some of the tracks do provide that acoustic touch
(although very brief as in the intro to Harvest Festival where we get to hear
the "bit" that inspired the rest of the song).Let's face it, the real reason
that Homespun exists is two-fold  1) Andy & Colin were being ripped off by
bootlegs and provide additional cash and 2) To give the fans decent sounding
versions of the demos that were already circulating.

I hold nothing against either of them for the former. It's about time these
guys earned some money! In the case of the latter as a fan I really do
appreciate the guys (I have a hard time calling them "boys")releasing the
official versions of the boots. They sound a heck of a lot better than the
stuff circulating and there are some nice extras as well. As to the How
Harvest Festival came to be I personally enjoyed listening to it. It felt
like you were having your own intimate explanation as to how Andy created
this song. I personally could see myself in his shed while listening to it.

In the case of the Beatles (although this might not be the place to go into
this discussion), both those albums are very weak efforts and would have been
if they were recorded in 1967 or 1972. While both produced some terrific
singles during that time frame (Happy Xmas was actually supposed to come out
in 1971 but was held up for legal reasons), it appeared that their muse that
deserted them in 72.

I have to take exception to Dig A Pony. While it is an awkwardly structured
song and not John's best, it has some lovely bits in it. Lennon's singing
could frequently make lesser material almost come off. I think that's the
case with Dig A Pony. On the other hand, I've always felt that George's For
You Blue was a piece of crap (why they didn't record the All Things Must Pass
stuff George had submitted is beyond me).

>>>As Truman Capote said of Jack Kerouac:
>>>"That's not writing, that's typing."
  May I remind everyone here that Shakespeare, Charles Dickens and many other
"popular" writers were looked down upon  in their day just like Stephen King
and other popular writers are today. That isn't to suggest King has the
"write stuff" to transcend the ages, but he could.  King has shown enormous
growth as a "writer" of genre fiction. He may not be a "serious" writer but
that never stopped eventual critical claim for Dashiel Hammett, Ursula
Leguinn,  Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison  and Raymond Chandler (other genre
writers who transcended the limitations of their literary ghetto).

<<It is not a gun that kills a person, it is the person holding the gun
that kills a person (or animal, et cetera).>>

 <Oh please.  All due respect for personal opinions, but how long will folks
go on spouting and believing the lame and faulty "people kill people"
argument?  For murderers, guns are a means to the end, and when we remove
guns from the equation, innocent folks tend to stay alive.>

I'd suggest reading Richard Rhodes excellent book on Dr. Lonnie Athens'
theories on why people kill. I happen to agree that Janis on this point. The
faulty logic involved in this argument also suggests that "the gun made me do
it" or, in this case, the knife. People use the people kill people, guns
don't excuse all the time. What matters is that using a gun makes it easier
to kill someone. Guns also allow one to act on a rage one might otherwise not
respond to (a gun doesn't allow for a cooling off period. The easier it is to
use a weapon to kill people the more likely people will use it and with less
motivation).

Do we need gun control? Until we have better people control quite  possibly.
I've had this debate with my best friend from high school for the past twenty
years. I believe he and I will just have to agree to disagree. That's
probably the case here as well. Melt the Guns indeed.

Wayne

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Message-ID: <4782AD6ADDBDD2119B570008C75DD5C1BD46B1@mgmtm02.parliament.uk>
From: Lawson Dominic <LawsonD@parliament.uk>
Subject: Belinda
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:18:08 -0000

Right, shut up for a minute.

Yesterday I received a postcard from lovely Belinda Blanchard who is
currently having the time of her life with her esteemed lesser half in sunny
New Zealand. She has asked me to pass on her regards and to wish you all a
Happy New Millennium (and so on). It sounds like they had a fabulous New
Year - just the two of them, alone on a secluded beach, watching the sun set
and rise - so hats off to the pair of them.......Belinda has also met a
couple of Chalkie types (whose names, it shames me to say, escape me at this
early hour) with whom she seems to have had a "gay old time" as we say in
the Stone Age - apparently one of these Chalkers has a fierce Wombles CD
collection, but I suppose the XTC stuff cancels that out more than
adequately. Mike Batt is Cockney rhyming slang, in case you were wondering.

Three cheers for Belinda, goddammit!!! I'm sure we all wish her a safe
return to the centre of the Universe.

Oh, and guns fucking suck. A lot.

Cheers.

Dom.

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From: unna@worldmailer.com
Date: 13 Jan 2000 04:53:54 -0800
Message-ID: <20000113125354.8182.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net>
Subject: On Love

Congratulations to the Chalker getting married on the 22nd.
The coincidence is that I've been wondering about concepts of romantic
love. When listening to XTC love songs I've been noticing that the
angle is either a. the fantastically beautiful newness of it, b. the
end of it, or c. whats gone wrong with it.
Now, I'm not cynical, although the groom may think my timing stinks,
but are there any songs about a peaceful, steady, nourishing, and
enduring love?
Life imitates art (imitates life? chicken? egg?), and it seems that
most people share the same concept of the excitement of fresh love,
and it seems also that people can relate to songs of betrayed or ended
love, so why can't I think of a song about the state of lasting and
flawless love?
Hmmm...
(note to those who have it: I do believe in it, I just can't find a
representation of it.)

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 05:22:16 -0800
From: "Ray Michno" <rmichno@my-deja.com>
Message-ID: <BAIGMNHDPBGCDBAA@my-deja.com>
Subject: XTC Wedding Songs
Organization: My Deja Email  (http://www.my-deja.com:80)

Here's a couple of suggestions:

"Then She Appeared" - would make a nice song
to play when the bride makes her entrance at
the reception

"Mayor of Simpleton" - play when the groom
makes his entrance? :)  - Just kidding!

"Big Day" - I'm surprised nobody else mentioned
this one; comes complete with wedding bells

I'm also getting married this year, but my
wife-to-be is still learning to appreciate
XTC. So I'll just try to sneak a couple of
songs in during the reception.

-Ray-

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Message-Id: <200001131422.JAA11511@mail1.javanet.com>
Subject: English Settlement w/embossed cover
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 00 09:26:44 -0500
From: Max Germer <maxindu@javanet.com>

I saw a copy of this lp yesterday for $20 - does anyone know how rare
this item is (and if it's worth $20?). The embossed cover does make the
record look dashing.

Max
http://www.themaggies.com/

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Message-ID: <41BC73C88FDBD2119D2908002BB32B3928A07D@lonexchg02.getty-images.com>
From: Warren Butson <Warren.Butson@getty-images.com>
Subject: guns and fags
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:51:41 -0000

regarding all this talk on gun control,
in England it's a bit of a non-debate as apart from police at airports
and the odd yardy getting shot by other drug pushers in North London
 it really isn't an issue.
what is however is smoking.

it seems as though everyone agrees they are a bad thing
and that it shouldn't be done in the workplace,
but no-one agrees on public smoking and whether it causes death
to non-smokers ie passive smoking.
yet in California you seem to have banned it without much fuss, or did you?
I'm actually a smoker and appreciate that it is extremely irritating to
non-smokers especially in restaurants,
but feel no desire to volutarily not do it in public but at the same time
sneakingly wish it was banned to make it such a problem that I'd end up
giving up, ie I'm stubbornly weak willed!
did xtc ever smoke?

xtc content: I saw a program over christmas that was a kind of where are
they now thing featuring a piece on Andy Partridge that said he has given up
the music business and runs a toy manufacturing company, where on earth did
they get that from?!!!!!
wazza.

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From: BDSherlock@aol.com
Message-ID: <77.998f6f.25af442b@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:07:23 EST
Subject: wedding songs

 Todd and Jennifer Bernhardt recommended:

<< Wrapped in Grey. When I got married, it was our first
 dance -- wonderful to waltz to, and the lyrics are beautifully appropriate
 and hopeful. >>

My wife and I experimented with this yesterday and it is indeed true. Not
only that, but waltzing is a lot of fun and a beautiful dance. If you don't
already know it do yourself a favor and learn how.

I must confess that Big Day occurred to me, too, but then I guess I'm just a
hopeless romantic, er, cynic. As for Harvest Festival, while a man might
think a song about an ex-girlfriend gazing wistfully at him as she approaches
the altar a good one (I certainly did), a woman, if she listens to the lyrics
just might decide to make good on her fantasy. OOPS! Anyway, congratulations
to the prospective newlyweds.

Bill Sherlock, one of the few in Chicago

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From: spitts@thesaurus-computers.co.uk
Message-ID: <80256865.0059F690.00@thesaurus-computers.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:22:35 +0000
Subject: Killing Joke??

In #6-6 Patricia opined:

> If a person has the malicious intentions of hurting another person, it
doesn't matter if they have access to a gun or not <

It most certainly does. Most folk would have some chance of defending
themselves against a nutcase armed with a fork, or even a knife, regardless
of whether or not the attacker has the benefit of surprise, but those
chances reduce to next to nothing against a gun, irrespective of whether or
not the person being attacked is armed too. Hurting is one thing, killing
is a different kettle of fish

> when the law abiding public has been stripped of all means to defend
itself, who will protect them from the non law abiding public? <

Well lass, we do alright over here in dear old Blighty, despite the fact
that most of those charged with defending the general populace from
unlawful activities (ie. the police) don't carry guns themselves. There are
exceptions to the rule, of course, but in general terms I feel far safer
over here, where guns are difficult to acquire legally, than I would over
the other side of the pond

and Paul Stratford suggested:

> I really should go down to the local library\museum and ask the curators
why Henry or whoever called the place Nonsuch Palace, just to add to our
growing web of XTC related trivia <

Put it down to the man's ego - nonsuch (or nonesuch) means (roughly)
'something without equal'

Cheers, Steve

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