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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 77

                 Thursday, 13 April 2000


                    POP update 11.4.00
                       Checking out
             Spoil away with Song Stories...
                     ITMWML download
                 This whole RSM business
     Wasp Star where is thy sting? (why right here).
                       XTC Sighting
                       Spoiled Meat
                     Various replies
                  From the Mayor's Desk
                       What's Next?
                    wapster octameter
        Savouring the antici................pation
 Freaks and Geeks,XTC, Macy Gray, Giant Peach connections
          Sacred Cows partial pseudo-retraction
                   Nurse- the screens!


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:20:32 +0800
From: "Kevin Mathews" <>
Subject: POP update 11.4.00
Message-ID: <00cc01bfa4de$dfdd9900$eb7c74cb@mathews>

Hey people

Latest updates at The Power of Pop

Xavier Boyer - Tahiti 80

Top Ten
Scott Klass - the Davenports
Andy Heaney - Dinsdale
Dave Bush

Open Sky

XTC - Wasp Star
The Davenports - Speaking of the Davenports
The Bradburys - Introducing the Bradburys
Dave Bush & Food - The Big One

Comments, as usual

Thanks for your attention!


Kevin Mathews
Touched by the Power of Pop


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:40:41 -0700
From: "Drew MacDonald" <>
Subject: Checking out
Message-ID: <001901bfa4e0$e5638f40$>

Can any Napster subscribers out there who have Wasp Star available for
download PLEASE e-mail me privately with their your name so I can put you on
my Hot List? I've been searching day and night for more than a week and have
never found a single WS track. And yes, I swear on a stack of Song Stories
that I will buy the real thing, probably several times, as soon as TVT lets

But I can no longer bring myself to plow through another Chalkhills clogged
with descriptions and discussions of a record I won't be able to hear for
another month and a half. And it's not the "spoiler" aspect that's been
discussed here -- the written word is simply not capable of "spoiling" the
auditory experience -- it's just that every word devoted to Wasp Star is
meaningless to those of us who haven't heard it. For us, this list is
becoming a waste of time. At this rate, by the time the record actually
comes out, you'll probably be "all talked out" on the damn thing!

So goodbye for now, Chalkhills. I will be archiving all Digests, unread,
until a kind soul zaps me a digitized preview of Wasp Star or until I obtain
the disc version itself. Then I can feel like I belong here again.



Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:29:39 -0700
From: "Digitalmaster" <>
Subject: Spoil away with Song Stories...
Message-ID: <001501bfa4f8$809ed200$0200a8c0@digitalpc>

Molly said
>>>Go spoil away.  Tell all you can about Wasp Star.  Even though it'll ruin
the experience, but I can't stop you people's freedom of speech. <<<

I just wanted to point out two things.
1.  I don't thing spoiling ruins any experience.  Whenever I talk about sex
before I have it, it just seems so much more exciting...

2. As for the freedom of speech comment; I hope John lets us continue
posting what we want on here, though he is not required to give us "freedom
of speech."  This is a private list and the administrator has every right to
block the content he thinks should be blocked.

Keep the spoilers coming.  I am playing games with it.  I am imagining how
the songs will sound and I will find out on May 23rd if they sound like they
do in my head.  Besides, anyone who has song stories (which has been out
quite a while now I think) already has info about the songs.  Anyone
interested in purchasing song stories can find it out  If
you put CONNECT in the cart coupon box, you will get $10 Off $30 or more.
That would be a good idea to get the book and Wasp Star, though shipping is
like $3.95 each I think.


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:39:44 -0500
From: "William Sherlock" <>
Subject: ITMWML download
Message-ID: <>

Happy Birthday, Tyler. In #6-75 Mr.(?) Hewitt wondered where to find the
XTC song on Q101's website. Just go to the URL given in the digest and
click on Essentials. Essentials, indeed.

On another more depressing note, that show on that station used to be
called the Retro Hour. All they played was music I listened to in college
back in the early and mid 80's. I'm sorry, but to me Elvis is retro, not U2.

Anxiously awaiting, WS(AV2), Fellow Chicagoan, Bill Sherlock

"I should be in bed, I need my 11 hours. I'm a real sleep addict. I started
off just napping. Then I got into the harder stuff...siestas. Before I knew
what was happening I was a sleep junkie."    Andy Partridge, Melody Maker,


Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:16:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: (Moore's Code)
Subject: This whole RSM business
Message-ID: <>

("his admirers..."!?!)
("obligated to hate..."??)


_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ sez:

Subject: Shut up your shut ups & a couple of misc things

>2. This whole RSM business. I wrote a long and angry post about
>his post in 6-72, but pulled it for fear of being flamed by his admirers
>merely for daring. All I'm going to say is: Mr. Moore, if nothing
>inspires your posts but complete and utter contempt for everyone on the
>list, why do you even bother? Please note that that was a question, it
>was not a piece of advice. You seem to have confused the two in your
>"reply" to Todd's question. (This is nothing like people overreacting to
>Dom's swearing, etc.; he was just taking the piss in a way that some
>people didn't quite get. If you were just doing the same, you'd have to
>take that extra step of actually being funny. What you're doing is much
>more along the lines of holding us all down and farting in our
>collective face.) That line that ended "Ah, the fans" seems to say that
>such fannish chatter doesn't belong on... a mailing list for fans? If
>you're sick of that kind of thing... well why knowingly come to the
>wrong place just to spit and sneer at everyone? Without even
>compensating by making your posts amusing or interesting? And if you
>think that you're somehow standing up for Dave Gregory, well it seems to
>me that the way that you're doing it is totally misguided. He still has
>plenty of fans here, but trying to make them think that they're somehow
>obligated to hate the new album is just bullshit. And if DavidOh wasn't
>allowed to get away with annoying pseudo-phonetic wank spelling, why
>should anyone else?

OK i surrender.

Cannot and will not sputter another word. Have assumedly failed writing

Too much petty ANGST to deal with the weirdgeek poisonal flaming
backlash. Thought I deserved a bit of a say. Guess not. Chickening out.

Boarded up, I hate myself and want to cry.

Kedziereskis notwithstanding, my copy of Wasp Star is now gone. I heard
it, I questioned it, I actually began to like some of it, but alas, I
got an offer I couldn't refuse.

Napster needed another copy.

Partsy's payin' my rent, sucka.

N E X T ------?

C U Later.

Eric "Harris" Clapzzzzzton



Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:22:35 EDT
Subject: Wasp Star where is thy sting? (why right here).
Message-ID: <>

Actually it didn't bother me much to hear about the new album as long as it
was fairly general  (after all, I had been listening to the demos for quite
some time). What did bug me was the really negative review.  I'm personally
not that interested in the harsh reviews (if I were I'd pick up Spin
magazine).   I don't mind a fair assessment of the album overall, but I'd
still like that chance to discover the magic for myself. The best reviews
tend to cover the highlights of something and leave the magic that makes it
tick (or not) intact. To me it's  like when the films The Sixth Sense or The
Crying Game first came out. While you might want to hear about them you still
want the chance to discover the twists and turns yourself.  While Wasp Star
isn't an unknown I'wanted to be surprised by some of the changes from the
demos to the final version. I was. It's still in the CD player and alternates
with a couple of other new purchases. The really cool thing was to listen to
Wasp Star and then listen to the last five albums. It puts the album's
qualities into perspective and gives you a greater appreciation for the
songwriting on Wasp Star.

Having heard the album (courtesy of Vee Tube) I like it a lot.  I'm probably
going to do like last time and buy four or five copies to give to friends.
I'd probably do that even if it wasn't that great. It's well worth picking
up.  I personally feel it's one of Andy and Colin's best efforts. Although I
have to admit it sounds different since Dave's departure (just as Mummer did
after Terry left). The dynamic isn't the same but it allows both guys to grow
as songwriters and performers. Besides, it sounds like they're getting along

As to where it will fit in their catalog in terms of quality, well, that's
something only time (and personal taste) will tell.  All's fair in love and
music. I can't I hate any of the band's albums. I like some less than others
but all have their moments. Love Playground, Stupidly Happy, In Another Life,
My Brown Guitar, Boarded Up. I'm The Man Who Murdered love is an improvement
on the demo. Still waiting for The Wounded Horse to grow on me. You and the
Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful demonstrates that Andy should write love songs
more often.

Did anybody expect a huge departure after so many years? I didn't and am
thankful that the skills that have made so many of the band's albums so
stunning are still sharp.  Both Andy and Colin introduce a wide variety of
subtle changes to their sound.


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:44:32 CDT
From: "Margaret Quinn" <>
Subject: XTC Sighting
Message-ID: <>

Another incongrous XTC appearance,

I was just watching the my hometown Dallas Stars begin their defense of
the Stanley Cup when a whistle blew and play stopped. Now usually the
music that comes to pass time in hockey stadiums reads like a laundry list
of late 70's-early 80's schlock rock (Styx, REO Speedwagon, Twisted Sister
- Pardon to any fans of these bands, but that's a whole other
story). Anyway, I am suddenly hit with the realization that the music
that's playing is none other than "Life Begins at the Hop"! Amazing for
two reasons: 1) This is a hockey game (see above argument unless someone
thinks XTC and Night Ranger would appeal to the same demographic) and 2)
this is Dallas. Maybe there is hope here after all, I think to myself!
Maybe they'll play a little Jellyfish next! But no, of course the next
song is "Rock You Like a Hurricane" by The Scorpions. Oh well, I can

Proud reader of Chalkhills since '91!


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:40:34 -0400
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <>
Subject: Spoiled Meat
Message-ID: <>


"In Another Life" is a terrific song.  I adore the horn on "Church of
Women," and the new guitar solo keeps me so on the edge of my seat that it's
like being frozen in the air in the middle of a jump.  Everything about this
album is f**king unbelievable, so say I.  Consider yourselves spoiled.


      Benjamin Gott . Loquacious Music . Brunswick, ME 04011
AIM: Plan4Nigel . Tel: (207) 721-5366 .
  Tired of asking why / Tired of trying to work it out / So I...


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:45:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Hartley <>
Subject: Various replies
Message-ID: <>

> From: "Jamie Lowe" <>
> > Adrian wrote:
> > But. An album doesn't just consist of 10 or so tracks of music, it
> > includes the sleeve artwork- the quality of the paper, the layout of
> > the jewel-case even the smell of the disc. All these things should
> > create a connection with the listener.
> Indeed, there is nothing like the genuine article, but do discs actually
> have a smell?   Does Black Sea smell like the English coast at low tide?  I
> for one haven't noticed any.

I have the Akron compilation (Stiff GET 3), which says "Scratch 'n' sniff
the tire on the front cover to experience the delightfil fragrance of
Akron... the Rubber City."  20+ years later, it's still odoriffic!

Someone else wrote:
> ====radio airplay is NOT the same as listening to MP3's, since artists earn
> royalties from having their music played on the radio.

The royalties paid for this are minimal.  I believe they are less than
$10 per year for even the biggest hits.  I believe Tom Verlaine (Television)
gets payed something like 96 cents per year for Television's classic
Marquee Moon record.  What happens is that radio stations pay ASCAP/BMI,
and this money is distributed to the artists.  It isn't based on how
often it gets played, because I've never heard of a radio station reporting
its playlist to either of the two companies.

The MP3 and artist compensation issues are valid, but not from the
point of view of radio play royalties!

       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant -
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:00:43 PDT
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: From the Mayor's Desk
Message-ID: <>

Guess what?

- I don't KNOW what Napster is

- I don't CARE what Napster is

- I have NO INTENTION of finding out what Napster is

ENOUGH already with Napster, OK?

Again - would those of you posting opinions/reviews about "Wasp" Star
PLEASE show a little courtesy and head your post "SPOILER", like the
polite ppl do on most other lists? I don't read them - it just makes
them easier to avoid.

Thank you and good night.

Simpleton, NSW


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:55:42 -0700
From: "Neil Oliver" <>
Subject: What's Next?
Message-ID: <000101bfa4f3$c2ebba60$3744b5cf@default>

Let's get ahead of ourselves for a moment here and ask those who are in
touch with the band... what is likely to happen next on the XTC front? Have
Andy and Colin written any new songs in the past couple of years? It seems
like all the songs on the Apple Venus albums are between 3-7 years old...
with that backlog taken care of, is there now another backlog of material,
or have they been too busy to write?

As much as I'd like to know what is happening on that front, I feel we
should declare a moratorium on trading demos for future albums. I would like
to hear the next XTC album with  completely fresh ears - but if the demos
are out there I am powerless to resist their lure! Hopefully there won't be
another 7 year gap so temptation won't get the better of us all... :)


Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:19:02 -0500
From: Paul Brantley <>
Subject: wapster octameter
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Syracuse University

wasp star napster was part napper, was not was her nazz nazz buzz sir
pop star popster pop tart popper, top pops pap smear tip top rap ear
zig zag sesac seagulls c-sec, sear suck sight see sin sound teen town
be bim bop lop be him sock hop, e i e i high hope hip hop

BM I art nast art arv part, yard vark parts'tar nik nak parse ars
ascap nasdak paz gaz fag hag, hymnal him-whole zen phobe then some

wap wasp nip nig kike bike syd bar, red hot lap top clit top brit fop
flip flop clip klop kitsch cop klipsch hock, pock mark zit-are pre fab four
tech talk tick tock yaz bek gig gauk, great god dear Todd sky lark styl ark

MP 3T VT empty MT V hee hee see tempt me, bill-e eck stein xt cc ten tin tab
lum pig pen pa blum
babl on sistern baker's do-zen, beck her fey gun urn ur brothern'
e m for ster E E CUM MINGS, comma ri a ril ke rain er

sir han TM BG be gee, bourbon curvin swervin dservin
coolin, sweatin, smokin, 'laxin, chicko ria rilke dolphy
de lurk de klerk cap kirk wax werx, cup jo big perk ber zerk slay circ
bet boop poop soup quo loup who's who, hoo hoo jou dou tutu voodoo


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:27:54 -0400
From: "Cheryl" <>
Subject: Savouring the antici................pation
Message-ID: <000e01bfa4ef$e12fabc0$>

In like turtle speed.......Hi!

"David Edwards" <> so eloquently stated:
>The effect of this description might be to increase your desire for
>strawberry cheesecake, but it does not come close to describing the actual
>experience - if you'd never had cheesecake, you wouldn't really have a
>clue - and so it doesn't at all spoil your enjoyment of the real thing.
I thought your description of the anticipation was right on the mark!  Well

I am thoroughly enjoying the reviews and attempts to describe the sounds of
Wasp Star.  It's left me baffled and just *dying* to hear the album.  It
will be a sweet day indeed hearing this album.  It was exciting finally
hearing the polished version of AV1 but THIS experience will be like no

Small question that has popped into my head....XTC have gone the route of
sixties throwbacks with the Dukes, an orchestral album and then back to a
jangly guitar fest,  any thoughts on what sort of avenues any of you would
like to see the band explore for the next album?

I tend to be partial to their jazzy explorations such as "Miniature Sun" and
would like to hear more in this direction.  Thoughts?  Anyone............

Take care,
CHE(refusing to put some catching slogan in the middle of her name)RYL
okay so it was a bad attempt...  :)


Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:50:30 -0700
From: Herne <>
Subject: Freaks and Geeks,XTC, Macy Gray, Giant Peach connections
Message-ID: <>

More from me...

Remember a couple of months ago when "No Language in Our Lungs" was
played in an episode("The Diary") of the FREAKS AND GEEKS tv show?
Remember wondering why?  Well...I think I have a good idea.

One of the writer/producers of the show is a guy named Judd Apatow.  I
went to film school with him at USC.  Although I wasn't in the same
class as him, I was acquainted with him.  We were at USC between 1983
and 1987, which was a time when XTC was pretty happening college
radio-wize.  The Dukes/Skylarking period especially.  KROQ played a lot
of Psonic Sunspot.  "Vanishing Girl, Albert Brown and You're My Drug" in
particular.  And Skylarking...well "Dear God" was all over the place.

The particular major I was in was called the Filmic Writing Major.   It
was an attempt to raise the profile of the writer in the "film" industry
(Filmic?  Get it?...don't worry, few did).  It didn't really work but it
did start to churn out some writers who have done some things like John
Singleton(Boyz in the Hood etc.), Helen Childress(Reality Bites), Tim
Doyle(Rosanne, Dinosaurs, Ellen), Elisa Bell(Vegas Vacation), Scott
Alexander and Larry Karasweski(Man on the Moon)...actually Scott and
Larry weren't Filmic Writers but they dated some of them!

A lot of people in the major were into XTC.  And I mean A LOT.  Never
before or since have I been in an environment where so many people were
into the same music I was...especially XTC.   One girl who I was madly
in love with, worshipped them.  Alas she always had a boyfriend.  I
never told her I liked because she was always seeing somebody.  Later
she dated Jeff Barry's(Be My Baby, Do Wah Diddy Diddy, Sugar,
Sugar...etc. etc. etc) son who was a genius in his own right.  He was
really into XTC as well.  His musical career hasn't really gone
anywhere.  Too many demons I guess.  Can't help having a father who was
a song writing legend.

Anyway...XTC was often played at parties.  I remember being at a party
with my friend Todd Slavkin who had the US cd of English Settlement and
us both moaning about how it was missing "Fly on the Wall."  Anyway, as
so many of the people in my major were into XTC, I'll have to assume
that was where Judd picked up on it.

One guy in my major named David Goyer actually clued me in to the LITTLE
EXPRESS.  I borrowed his copies and then promptly signed up to get it.
I have almost all of them.  David went on to become the most successful
graduate of the FMWR program.  He wrote the script to BLADE and recently
MISSION TO MARS.  His name is always attached to comic movie projects.
He is a huge comic book fan.  Although the lads' music has yet to pop up
in any of his stuff... you never know.

Another classmate of ours was Carey Kirkpatrick.  His relevance here is
that he was obsessed with Roald Dahl and always wanted to write the
sequel to WILLY WONKA.  Well he came close by getting to adapt another
work...JAMES AND THE GIANT PEACH.  Sound familiar?  I don't know if he
was the one that tipped Disney to Mister Partridge but it seems a
logical theory given the XTC passions of us Filmic Writers.  I haven't
seen him in forever but I did see a mutual friend recently at Disney so
maybe I'll see him again to ask him about it.    At the same event I
also saw Bob Farrelly, one half of the Farrelly Brothers(Something About
Mary) but didn't think till after he left to ask him about Peter
Pumpkinhead in DUMB IN DUMBER of the rumored "I'd Like That" in "Me,
Myself and Irene."

One more bit of randomness...another classmate in the Filmic Writing
Major...Class of '89...was a girl named Natalie.  I barely remember her
now.  Last year she reappeared with a new name....Macy Gray.  That's
right, the MACY GRAY.  Whether she has anything for the lads is unknown.

Boy all these happening people I've crossed paths with...why can't I get
my sh** together?
I mean my cousin was married to one of the Coen brothers(FARGO, RAISING
ARIZONA) for Christ sake!  I was in a comedy group with Michael
Boatman(Spin City, Arliss)!  Damn!  I've got to stop thinking about WASP
STAR and get back into the loop and start taking over this town!!  It's
weird to live down the street from the Hollywood sign and two blocks
from the Capitol Records building and yet be so NOWHERE in showbiz.

My career path has been skirting randomly along the edge of the fringe
of nowheresville out here.  Pissing time away working in dead end
Hollywood corporate wastelands... pausing to write an unproduced script
once every three years...not very prolific.  I'd have to say that I was
one of those "slackers" that my generation was named for.  I suppose my
only truly crowning success was stockpiling so many  movie posters and
promo items over the years that when ebay appeared, I had quite an
inventory to sell.

Recently I've been working really hard to change from a dreamer to a
do-er with some success.   Written some short films, did a few pilots
for the internet, that sort of thing.   I can't wait for the day when I
have my own  tv shows like Judd so that I can sneak some XTC into the
soundtrack...if only cause I could get them to release more stuff!

So there's my theory...the USC Cinema School of the mid 80's Jack Palance used to say on Ripley's Believe it Or
Not..."BELIEVE IT...gasp...or NOT!"

Apologies for all the name dropping,

Ken L aka Herne

p.s.  If you want to check out one of my short films go to NETFEST.COM.
Sometimes my stuff is up there.  Be on the lookout for "Did She Say
Boy?" if you go there.  Or go to ATOM and check out FAST
FOOD...a Scorcese parody which I didn't write but it's really
good....and really in focus(I was the A.C.)  See...I'm really famous in
my apartment;).


Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:34:15 -0700
From: Herne <>
Subject: Sacred Cows partial pseudo-retraction
Message-ID: <>

Greetings Chalkhills people,

About a week ago I wrote how I hadn't posted in a long time and how I
was going to do a series of catching up posts.  Well of course now I've
gotten behind and need to get caught up on getting caught up!

First a brief pseudo-retraction

First the pseudo-retraction.  During my EXILE/ROLLING STONES overrated
post I got carried away and went after several sacred cows, the last
being Peter Gabriel Genesis/Peter Green Fleetwood Mac and Syd Barrett
Pink Floyd.  Although I did follow it with the disclaimer that I was
looking forwards to exploring these areas, my point wasand the point of
the whole rant was that weird pressure in cult circles to like certain
things or else.  I then made an abstract comment regarding being played
on the radio.

In brief,...never mind.  Until I figure out how to express such abstract
ideas so they don't just come out like irrational rantsjust forget I
said it.   The rest still standsJim Morrison is still not a great poet.

Moving on

KL aka Herne


Date: 13 Apr 2000 10:20:00 +0100
From: "Robert Wood" <>
Subject: Actually...
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Mutech Ltd

Ed Kedzierski said in 6-76...

>>  Shut up your shut ups! You CAN'T spoil an
album by writing about it! It's just that simple! I realize that plenty of
other people have also weighed in with all sorts of analogies as to why this
is the case (why an album's not like a movie, a book, or a slice of
cheesecake, etc.), but the tone of discouragement coming from the people
who've been slapped for daring to share their enthusiasm just makes me mad.

Well, Ed, Maybe from *your* perspective that's true, but whether you like it
or not, it *can* happen. Some people find that, and whether you understand
it or not, it's out there. What are we gonna do? Call the cops?

To those people whose enjoyment of the album would be spoiled by reading a
review of it - use a little common sense, skip past the reveiw for goodness'
sake. To those who post review, use a bit of common courtesy, warn the
readers of an impending review.

My enjoyment of AV1 was greatly reduced because people on Chalkhills hyped
it out if all proportions. When it came to it, I was very disappointed, 'cos
it's a very ordinary album, especially by XTC's standards.

Ed is right that it's very, very tedious reading people whinge on and on
about certain postings. Remember, you can always switch with TV off and you
can always press the page down key.


Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:14:10 +0100
From: Adrian Ransome <>
Subject: Nurse- the screens!
Message-ID: <497FEA72C392D3118AE700508B731177070064@NT4SERVER03>

>Indeed, there is nothing like the genuine article, but do discs actually
>have a smell?   Does Black Sea smell like the English coast at low tide?  I
>for one haven't noticed any.

Oh my aching sides.........



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