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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 76

                 Wednesday, 12 April 2000


                   Xtc on Chicago Radio
                   Last Chance Gold CDs
                     Something smells
           Ollie, the Dead, and (surprise) XTC
                       XTC on KCRW
                  Song Stories at Amazon
       Playing Guitar With XTC & Reviews From Hell
                      Sunday Papers
                Words can ruin it for you?
                        Oh, Archie
     Shut up your shut ups & a couple of misc things
                        Clapped On
                    In another life...
                    Wasp Star on Ebay.
                       Oh I give up
                      Re: Tour news
                    A modest proposal


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Oh strike my hand.


Date: 12 Apr 00 08:19:11 PDT
From: Brian Wysolmierski <>
Subject: oops
Message-ID: <>

I mean Cypress Hill, not House of Pain.


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:26:58 -0500
From: "Jamie Lowe" <>
Subject: Xtc on Chicago Radio
Message-ID: <00fe01bfa493$8b88a840$d946113f@unlpm>


According to Terri Hemmert XTC is on the play list for New Releases Thursday
4/13/00 so if you are in Chicagoland make sure you tune your FM receiver to
93.1 FM.

 Which brings me to my next point, if you are one of those people who do not
want to hear the record BEFORE it is released to the public.  Do you turn
your radio off if you hear a new XTC song?  Just wondering?  Me thinks I
turn it up!



Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:57:18 CDT
From: "vee tube" <>
Subject: Last Chance Gold CDs
Message-ID: <>

         Orders 1-800-716-3553

   Has a limited number of the excellent

  And they're on sale! O&L $14.99
                       SKY $19.99

   Out of print, on sale?!?!?!?!?

  Trust me,that don't happen too often.These were
     $25 when new and worth every penny.

  Or you could wait a week and get them on
   e-blow for a "Jack and Jillion" $$$$$



Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:31:49 -0500
From: "Jamie Lowe" <>
Subject: Something smells
Message-ID: <014201bfa4a4$f16e6940$d946113f@unlpm>


Adrian wrote>

But. An album doesn't
just consist of 10 or so tracks of music, it includes the sleeve artwork-
the quality of the paper, the layout of the jewel-case even the smell of the
disc. All these things should create a connection with the listener.

Indeed, there is nothing like the genuine article, but do discs actually
have a smell?   Does Black Sea smell like the English coast at low tide?  I
for one haven't noticed any.

Its in the look they give down their nose all part of decency's jigsaw I
suppose.  Partridge



Date: 12 Apr 00 13:41:52 EDT
From: Rick Mealey <>
Subject: Ollie, the Dead, and (surprise) XTC
Message-ID: <>

Quips from recent digests, with your indulgence.

====He also stated that he was heavily influenced by the guitar player
called Ollie Howsell from a band called PATTO 'I never heard a guitar as
inventive as that, the songs aren't great but the guitar playing stands on
its own'.

If anyone has access to this band, please contact me, I'd be curious to hear
this Ollie dude.
The late Ollie Halsall was, as several have mentioned, the man behind those
tasty guitar leads in The Rutles. (C'mon, you didn't *really* think Eric
Idle was doing all that, did you?) He also did a fair amount of playing
with Kevin Ayers, as I recall.

====I never saw the Dead live and am not familiar with most of teir records.
But I love the songwriting, vocals & playing on "Workingman's Dead" and
"American Beauty".
For me it's Terrapin Station. Robert Hunter is a phenomenal lyricist, even
if Uncle Jerry set his words to pedestrian music from time to time. Maybe I
could take a cue from his Andiness and abandon the Quick Pickin' Fun
Strummin' method advocated by Kenny Rogers in the mid-70s in favor of just
lifting Jerry's licks off the vinyl... 'cause Kenny ain't working for me no

====radio airplay is NOT the same as listening to MP3's, since artists earn
royalties from having their music played on the radio.
Correct. They also earn mechanical royalties (I believe that's what they're
called) from actual, physical disks sold. I believe that's what's at issue:
how, or whether, to compensate Our Lads for MP3s distributed.

It appears to me from the discussion in the recent past that those rabidly
seeking Wasp Star out on Napster seem to have every intention of generating
those royalties for Our Lads once the album actually appears in stores. So
at the moment, the existence of MP3 versions of Wasp Star is devalued-- it
seems to have little worth other than as promotion-- in much the same way
that countless Deadheads were weaned on tape trading, and fans of current
groups like Bela Fleck and the Flecktones and of course Dave Matthews Band.

No matter how much we piss and moan about their existence, there's always
going to be some leech trying to get around the system, with his/her
cop-out that music should be free, yada, yada, yada; (s)he's already
lost. Tape trading and MP3 trading could potentially hurt XTC a little--
but it could potentially help them a lot, too. So it's a crapshoot no
matter which way you look at it. My question is, can the potential for all
that exposure possibly burn XTC any more than they've been burnt by Virgin?

This whole discussion amuses the hell out of me. Remember the days before
we didn't have the Net as an immediate distribution medium? Whatever
happened to waiting patiently? What are we trying to prove? Have we as a
culture gotten so spoiled by having everything available to us
instantaneously that we've forgotten how delicious anticipation can be?
It's almost like demanding Frank Lloyd Wright's various models of
Fallingwater in addition to the house itself, or crawling through Charles
Schulz's trash to find the sketches for each Peanuts strip-- as if the
final product isn't its own justification.

I guess if Andy and/or Colin want to expose their creative process to the
public, that's one thing. Fripp and his current crop of Crimsos are keeping
online diaries, for Lord's sake. But I'd worry if that wasn't their
intention-- and I'd worry if they wanted to take it private again, because
now Pandora's box is open, innit?

Me, I don't want to hear Wasp Star any before I see it in the racks at
Borders. But I would be lying if I wasn't tempted to seek out those damn
MP3s from time to time. Darn that temptation!

Hoping your news is good news -- Rick


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:39:43 -0500
From: "Damian Wise (Foulger)" <>
Subject: XTC on KCRW
Message-ID: <>

Just to let you all know, Morning Becomes Eclectic on KCRW is
availible as streaming real-audio at

Thus, if we succeed in getting XTC on this show anyone with the
ability to listen to real-audio will be able to catch the show and
not just those in the listening area at the time.

XTC have already been on the show, so go and check it out!

Nic, the host is at, just to remind you all.

Thankyou and goodnight!

Dames tWd

P.s. 'Writing about music is like dancing about architecture' to
mis-quote someone.

-- Waiting for AV2


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:46:16 EDT
Subject: Song Stories at Amazon
Message-ID: <>

>Subject: Lack of Song Stories
>I've just recieved the disconcerting news that Amazon cannot locate Song
>Stories for me. Can anyone send me on a more fruitful trail? Please
>email me off-list if you can help. Thanks- Storyless Jane :-(

It's OK, Jane: I'll just scan my copy and publish it on a web site. No
problem with that, is there? I mean, you *will* buy a copy when you do find
it, right? And so, of course, will 99% of all the loyal fans who download
it, right? RIGHT?

You want that in PDF or ASCII?

Actually, Jane, I just visited Amazon, and it claims to have it in
stock. Are you sure you're using that thing right?

Harrison "Property is theft. And vice versa." Sherwood

PS: How's your dad, Mr. Group?


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:48:33 -0700
From: "Digitalmaster" <>
Subject: Playing Guitar With XTC & Reviews From Hell
Message-ID: <003b01bfa4a7$52efbc80$0200a8c0@digitalpc>

First, I am learning guitar and want to know the easiest song to play from
XTC (Strait from Joe's Garage!).  Also, if any guitarist or bassist out
there has any other songs they would recommend that are easy to learn, let
me know.  I barely know 6 cords at this point and want to learn transitions

By the way, before telling people to "fuck off" because they said something
about reviews, read my comment on my original post about reviewers.  I love
to hear what people have to say.  Its actually making my anticipation grow.
The only thing I did not like is when people said it sucked without
listening to it for a while.  I think people should listen to it at least a
few times before reviewing it.

There are so many albums, even groups for that matter that I have hated the
first time I heard them.  One for example was this song, "Don't Lets Start."
by this group They Might Be Giants.  I thought "are they trying to be funny
or do they really suck that bad?"  The next day, after hearing it for the
second time I said "god, they are brilliant" and they have been one of my
top 5 bands of all time ever since.

So, first impressions don't always mean anything.  How many times did any of
you guys date someone that you thought was so great, only finding out later
they were complete wankers (trying to use that English slang now aye!)
Really, before downing the album, I just want you guys to listen to it a few
times.  I know opinions vary, but I don't understand how some people can say
"this is not XTC." and completely ridicule the new album.  If its at least
1/2 as good as Nonsuch of AV1, I will be impressed.


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Al LaCarte <>
Subject: Sunday Papers
Message-ID: <>


Chris Coolidge decided to come clean:

>And when I first met them both, I
>was actually more attracted to Sue's sister by sight

I'll say this:  You've got cojones!

This reminds me of the old joke:

Hear about the new sex postion?  It's called "The
Rodeo."  You assume the doggie-style position, cup
your lady's breasts and say, "Hmm, these aren't as
nice as your sister's!" and then see if you can hold
on for 8 seconds.



Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:54:19 -0400
From: "Michael D. Myers" <>
Subject: Words can ruin it for you?
Message-ID: <>

Chalksters and Chalkettes;

I think it's kind of funny that some folks are complaining that the
mere act of reading about Wasp Star in this digest is ruining their
anticipation and listening experience.  How can that be?  How can
words now ruin sounds later?

Am I the only one who sees any irony here?  Have any of you ever read
a review of an album in a magazine?  Do you deliberately not read
anything in any source before you buy anything?  I read as many
reviews as I can because radio is really awful regarding playing new
things that I might enjoy, so I rely on the written word and opinions
of people like those on this list to help me find stuff I might like.
How else is there to do it?

Let me present a scenario: a reviewer in a magazine might write
something like "This band plays infectious power pop that reminds one
of XTC or Jellyfish.  You'll love the energy that the band exudes, and
their melodies are great.  In the song XYZ, listen for the guitar
break because it will make you smile."

Now, that's not too much different from what people write here in
their posts.  How could you possibly get a preconceived notion about
the album that is so strong that it would ruin it for you the first
time you hear it for real?  Geez, if anything, that's the kind of
review that makes me think, "I might just have to go buy that album
because I probably will like it".

So folks: keep the reviews coming in, because I love the diversity of
opinions that you all express.  Especially you, Dom.



Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:25:35 -0400
From: "Todd Bernhardt" <>
Subject: Oh, Archie
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Enterworks, Inc.


Moore R. Stevie:
> Yeah, you said it. I stand accused.
> Expert-texpert......
> Thanks for the incisive advice, kid. Your serve.

No advice, just an observation and some questions, really. But no
answers, I see.

I'm not being flip. I am genuinely interested in them.

The ball's in your court,


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:22:57 -0700
From: Ed Kedzierski <>
Subject: Shut up your shut ups & a couple of misc things
Message-ID: <>

A few points to touch on here, the digests are coming fast & furious, and
I'm at work so I can't really do full posts for everything that has grabbed
my attention...

1.	With the posts from Wes and Jim (among others) concerning being told
to shut up about their impressions of Wasp Star, I just have to say again to
all the "anti-spoiler" people: Shut up your shut ups! You CAN'T spoil an
album by writing about it! It's just that simple! I realize that plenty of
other people have also weighed in with all sorts of analogies as to why this
is the case (why an album's not like a movie, a book, or a slice of
cheesecake, etc.), but the tone of discouragement coming from the people
who've been slapped for daring to share their enthusiasm just makes me mad.
those of you who've heard it: tell all! I want to know! As far as I'm
concerned it can only enhance my enjoyment once the actual album is in my
trembling hands. To those of you who said shut up in the first place: I'm
sorry, maybe you really feel this way, but I just can't relate at all (like
someone saying "I hate chocolate" or "orgasms are no fun at all").
2.	This whole RSM business. I wrote a long and angry post about his
post in 6-72, but pulled it for fear of being flamed by his admirers merely
for daring. All I'm going to say is: Mr. Moore, if nothing inspires your
posts but complete and utter contempt for everyone on the list, why do you
even bother? Please note that that was a question, it was not a piece of
advice. You seem to have confused the two in your "reply" to Todd's
question. (This is nothing like people overreacting to Dom's swearing, etc.;
he was just taking the piss in a way that some people didn't quite get. If
you were just doing the same, you'd have to take that extra step of actually
being funny. What you're doing is much more along the lines of holding us
all down and farting in our collective face.) That line that ended "Ah, the
fans" seems to say that such fannish chatter doesn't belong on... a mailing
list for fans? If you're sick of that kind of thing... well why knowingly
come to the wrong place just to spit and sneer at everyone? Without even
compensating by making your posts amusing or interesting? And if you think
that you're somehow standing up for Dave Gregory, well it seems to me that
the way that you're doing it is totally misguided. He still has plenty of
fans here, but trying to make them think that they're somehow obligated to
hate the new album is just bullshit. And if DavidOh wasn't allowed to get
away with annoying pseudo-phonetic wank spelling, why should anyone else?
3.	To Tyler Hewitt: thanks for the link to the MWML preview (I was
wondering when one of these would finally appear; didn't we get that "I'd
Like That" preview further ahead of time with the last album?). This is one
of only two songs that I hadn't heard the demo for ("In Another Life" is the
other), and the people who are saying it's classic XTC & should be a hit
are... absolutely spot on! If this is any indication, the complaints about
the guitar sound are crap. Can't seem to download it though: trying to "save
as" just leaves you with a 1kb bogus shortcut file. Ah, well. I consider
playing music on computer a relatively crappy listening experience anyway.
4.	Clapton. ZZZZ, indeed. It's a real pity that that soporific
unplugged version of "Layla" went over so well, seeing as it seemed to
inspire him to make every song since then sound as much like it as possible.
He should go back to doing guest solos on other people's albums.
5.	Somebody mentioned the Who. I like them, in spite of having an
acquaintance in high school who was way into them (in that way that can make
you hate just about anything). Still think "Sell Out" is their best album,
"Tommy" isn't bad as long as you're not naive enough to take it seriously,
but after that... I guess it's the "blossoming" of Daltrey's voice that
starts to put me off after a while. Who's Next is a great album, but that
big "Yeeaaahhh!" in "Won't Get Fooled Again" marks the point where my
enthusiasm for this band starts to cool... Also, Townshend said some very
silly things in later interviews (pointless hand-wringing about the
irresponsibility of "Tommy's" message - which he apparently tried to "fix"
in that ludicrous Broadway version, etc.).
6.	What's this Wes is saying about Dom being censored? Did I miss
7.	I have many friends who like prog & other technique-wank music, and
I'm not trying to slag (if someone's really into something, and makes an
effort to get into something more than just what they're spoon-fed by radio,
I have nothing but respect for them. Whether it's prog, hardcore, metal,
ambient, Tuvan throat singing or whatever, that still puts you higher in my
estimation than someone who plunks down their credit card in the record
store and asks for a quarter pound of hits).

That's all for now. I have an actual (hopefully) constructive idea that I'd
like to propose next time...
Ed K.


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:32:03 PDT
From: "Ralph Simpson DeMarco" <>
Subject: Clapped On
Message-ID: <>


I do not have Wasp Star. When I see a post about it form those who do, I
usually skip over it. Problem solved. No debate needed.


Seth Frisby posted:
<<If you want the king of sacred cows you need look no further
than Eric Clapton, heck they even call him god.  Richard Thompson
deserves as much respect (as do countless others) Richard is an
amazing guitarist AND songwriter yet the writer of Change the world
eclipses him!?...Eric was great in the Bluesbreaker, Cream, and good
in Derek& the Dominoes,but it seems the great bug of laziness has
captured his muse since the mid to late seventies. But no one's
noticed. He's done great work, but not in my lifetime...if you like
him that's cool, there are reasons. If you don't I happen to

YES! Thank you for reminding me. I see Thompson every fall and he is always
great. His band this tour is the best yet. That drummer who replaced
Mattacks for the tour is so hot, he almost stole the show from Thompson at
points..whew! Well, the point is that my brother-in-law was at a show I
missed and while in the middle of an extended kick-ass solo, someone in the
crowd yells out, "WHO NEEDS CLAPTON?!". Thompson smiled and out of the side
of his mouth answered back, "Yes, who indeed?". The crowd went wild.
Everyone in that theater agrees with you Seth. Clapton has always been
overrated. Also, to those who might think that speed of playing has anything
to do with talent should listen to Eddie Van Halen - all flash, no soul.



Date: 12 Apr 2000 12:58:35 -0700
Subject: In another life...
Message-ID: <>

Spoiler Alert!!!!!

I must say that I really enjoy Colin's "In Another Life". It's got a
great little groove. I must also tell you all Wasp Star is THE ONLY cd
that my parakeet sings to. Enough said...


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:01:32 -0700
From: "Digitalmaster" <>
Subject: Wasp Star on Ebay.
Message-ID: <006e01bfa4b9$e6be4f00$0200a8c0@digitalpc>

One thing I noticed on this list is that some people were saying that
selling Wasp Star on Ebay is worse than taking a bootleg or MP3's of Wasp
Star and I would have to disagree.  If someone is selling a bootleg on ebay,
that is wrong.  But lets say I buy a copy of the promo in the store for $30
just to hear it and I put it on ebay to get my money back, I don't control
how high bidders go.

Ebay is not always fair, I agree with that.  In fact, most sellers are
scammers and assholes in my opinion (but I have met some really cool sellers
and bidders on this list).  Some put really high prices on things and that
is unfair. HOWEVER, some sellers, like myself, put a fair price on
everything.  When I sell CD's, I have a standard rate of $6.99.  I have lost
SO much money selling CD's I have spent $10 or more on!  At the same time, I
have gained money for CD's I spent $5 on and sold for $20.   Its a win/lose
situation.  I mostly sell on ebay, because I buy on ebay.  I sold a rare XTC
CD a few months ago that went for $3.  I sold the same CD a few weeks after
that went for $24.

I buy lots of things and I sell the rest to be able to afford to get the
stuff I want.  If I were to buy Wasp Star (I wont because I want to wait!!!)
I would listen to it once and sell it on ebay.  There is nothing wrong with
that at all.  What is wrong though is when people lie and sell bootlegs on
ebay.  I recently spent a good amount of money for something to later find
out it was a bootleg.  The seller gave NO indication that the item was a

Anyway, just thought I would bring that up.  There is a big difference from
copying something and sending it to 100's or thousands of people and selling
a promo on ebay.

Speaking of XTC, I have a promo copy of Dear God w/Toys and its in MINT
condition.  I would like to trade with anyone interested on this list.  Any
offers, please email me.


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:49:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Molly Fanton <>
Subject: Oh I give up
Message-ID: <>

I've decided to give up on the Spoiler fight.  I guess I'm one of the
only people who have lost the battle.  Go spoil away.  Tell all you
can about Wasp Star.  Even though it'll ruin the experience, but I
can't stop you people's freedom of speech.  Everyone has that right
even though we might like hearing the opinions.

I did preorder the album from (thanks to whomever posted
the information).  I also just realized that the album's being
released three days before my brother's wedding.  Hmmmm, maybe this
would be a good wedding gift.  My brother likes XTC's music.  I'm not
sure about his fiancee though. :)


Molly's Pages


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:16:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Tour news
Message-ID: <>

Hi all, hoping some of you might come out to support a fellow list member
who is opening on the following JBC tour.  Hope to see some of you.

The Jazz Butcher Conspiracy : Gigs : 2000
13 - TT the Bear's, Boston MA
15 - Mohawk Place, Buffalo, NY
16 - The Beer Mug, Erie, PA
17 - Club Laga, Pittsburgh, PA
18 - Phantasy Nite Club, Cleveland, OH
19 - Magic Stick, Detroit, MI
20 - Schubas, Chicago, IL
23 - 7th St. Entry, Minneapolis, MN
25 - Gabe's, Iowa City, IA
26 - Inferno, Madison, WI
27 - Second Story, Bloomington, IN
29 - Hi-Tone Cafe, Memphis, TN
30 - 12th & Porter, Nashville, TN
1 - The Nick, Birmingham, AL
3 - Echo Lounge, Atlanta, GA
4 - 40 Watt, Athens, GA
5 - Cat's Cradle, Chapel Hill, NC
7 - Upstage, Philadelphia, PA
8 - Iota Cafe, Arlington, VA
9 - Maxwell's, Hoboken, NJ
11 - Mercury Lounge, NYC


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:29:40 +0100
From: Belinda Blanchard <>
Subject: LE
Message-ID: <>

Hey people

I must admit that I am about 3 weeks behind with
Chalkhills at the moment - what are you lot finding to
write about - has the new album come out already?  I am
more up to date with snail mail right now and wondered
if the last Little Express which we were told had been
sent out, has been sent to people outside the American
continent yet. How do I get hold of a copy in my hands
in London?!  I was/am a subscriber but would be willing
to send more postage money to Pete and June if
necessary. Has anyone else in Britain got their last
copy yet?  Oh I bet that's why there's about 3
Chalkhills a day right now because you're all
discussing the contents of it.  What else could you be

Anyway, yours in an LE-less sulk, BELINDA (Dom Is Mine)


Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:54:08 -0700
From: Ed Kedzierski <>
Subject: A modest proposal
Message-ID: <>

Ever since the Little Express left the station, I've had this idea that I
keep debating with myself whether to post to the list, for fear of being
accused of asking people who've already given so much to give more, but
that's not my intention. I'm sure that there are a number of us (like
myself) who are kicking ourselves over the fact that they put off
subscribing until it's too late. The idea is: has anyone approached them
with the idea of putting out a one-shot "Best of", perhaps solicited through
Chalkhills? This way, their efforts over the years would not be forgotten,
people who came in too late would get a glimpse of material that is rapidly
becoming legendary to XTC fans, and they could make a modest return on their
labour-of-love of the past several years. The "Best of" could be selected as
a combination of the Dix's favourites, band member favourites (present and
former) & maybe faves of long time subscribers. I'm sure that this would go
over very well; I've never seen a copy of L.E., can't really afford those
e-bay prices (which don't go to either the Dixes or the band anyway), and it
seems buying this would be like a way to pay them back for their efforts
(not that LE was anything but a labour of love), especially for those of us
who were too late. It certainly seems fairer to them than this stuff getting
scanned onto a web site someday (which seems more than likely, eventually).
As one of the reasons for shutting down was that they couldn't compete with
Chalkhills on the "timely news" front, this would be a great way to ensure
that the better non-news articles and interviews, etc. would be preserved
and enjoyed by more people.

I'm certainly not saying that this is anything that the Dixes are obligated
to do or anything like that & I know that they've already put in plenty of
hard work over the years (though I'm also sure there'd be no shortage of
volunteers and suggestions as to what should be included) - it really is a
suggestion made with the best intentions in mind.
So -anyone like the idea? Anyone who knows Pete and June Dix have any idea
if they're likely to be receptive? We'd all buy such a thing, am I right?
Let me know...
Ed K.


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