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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 71

                  Monday, 10 April 2000


bitching about the web/bitching about bitching (metabitching?)
                an indie artist speaks up
    Re: Spector did not "save" the "Get Back" sessions
                   This shit is silly.
                    Sad, sad, napster
                  RE: Say NO to Napster
           Re: Can't find Wasp Star on Napster
                     XTC on Fright-X
             Well, the shirts travel well...
                      Core Business
                   more praise for GEB
               Old Andy Partridge Inteview
           Keeping secrets and arriving trains
                     Catherine Wheel
                 Joe Funk and Everything
                      Spoiled alert!


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Super-tuff / But also tender.


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:15:57 -0400
From: "Michael Versaci" <>
Subject: Asphyxiation
Message-ID: <000001bfa236$8257d070$6001a8c0@mtwe50004>



Ahem. Sorry about that...

Chris Coolidge yet again sullied the list with his biological need
to confess his wife's love for Air Supply:

>My wife and I share very little common taste in
>music, we unite at the more poppy end of my taste
>(Blondie, B-52's, Beach Boys, Talking Heads),
>otherwise she's big on The Carpenters,
>Air Supply,
>Barry Manilow, etc.

When I met my wife, I said, "I'm really into XTC," and she said ,
" 'English Settlement' is one of my favorite albums."

Music is quite important to me, and while I'm sure that
Mr. & Mrs. Coolidge are enjoying a wonderful life together
discussing the I.R.S. and the 2nd Amendment while listening to
"Down In The Cockpit" segueing into "Every Woman in the World,"
seamlessly drifting into "I Write the Songs," I count myself as extremely
lucky because we are as happy as Albert & Victoria, relaxing in front of a
sipping red wine, discussing Richard Dawkins' "Unweaving the Rainbow" and
Carl Sagan's "The
Demon Haunted World" and listening to "Melt The Guns" followed up by
Kevin Gilbert's "When You Give Your Love to Me" and Steely Dan's "What a
Shame About Me."

Stick to your guns, Benjamin.

Michael Versaci

"I'm sick of hearing about sadness
I'm sick of violent crime
I'm sick of angry militant lesbian feminists
I'm sick of imperfect rhyme

I've always heard that we should love one another
And what a fine example we will be
Maybe we can start a trend or something
When you give your love to me
And maybe then we'll get our friends together
And they'll all get along famously
I think that everyone will feel much better
When you give your love to me
There'll be global peace and religious tolerance
All men as brothers in a world that's free
There'll be a perfect cosmic harmonic convergence
When you give your love to me"

    -- The late, great Kevin Gilbert

"Hit me with your rhythm stick
 Two fat persons click click click
 Hit me! Hit me! Hit MEEEEEEEEE!"

    -- The late, great Ian Dury


Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:44:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: bitching about the web/bitching about bitching (metabitching?)
Message-ID: <>

I agree with everything Digitalmaster said about out
of date web pages and pages that lack content. It's
all anoying!
 I think that it may be due to a big shortage of
competent web designers more than it is due to to a
'penny wise, pound foolish' attitude, but I may be
wrong. ANyways, If you want a good paying job, learn
to design web pages-people will be standing in line to
hire you!

Dunks responding to my very short little anti-Beach
Boys post:

Get over it, Tyler.

Damn! I can rant for two paragraphs about the Rolling
Stones and recieve several private e-mails supporting
my views, but one tiny  and innocuous post about the
BB's gets a sniping reply. Don't think I'm the one who
needs to get over it!
Perhaps if I had trashed them like I trashed the
Stones it would have been ok. But, truth be told, I
have much more respect for Brian Wilson than all the
Stones put together, even if I don't appreciate his

Dunks, I reccomend a double shot of tequila (100%
agave, of course) and Black Sea on the headphones.
It'll make you feel a lot better, trust me!


Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:27:31 -0700
From: (becki digregorio)
Subject: an indie artist speaks up
Message-ID: <>

in a recent 'hills posting, "Digitalmaster" writes about how unfair this
napster deal is for established/signed artists, arguing:

<snip> "For independent artists, this is fine, they are use to not making
money.  But don't punish "major label" or "established" artists because
they you feel its ok to steal music."

as someone who released a cd independently (and spent a small fortune doing
so), i can't help but take minor offense at this statement.  it sounds as
though you're saying it doesn't matter if one "steals" money from an
independent artist because they don't make the "big money" anyway.  pardon
me, but the way i figure it, an indie artist deserves to make what they can
_precisely_ because they usually foot the entire bill to release such a cd.
they don't get big advances from a record company, don't get a budget for
promotion and marketing, and usually have to work a regular day-job just so
they can put their music out.  every time someone buys a copy of their cd,
it makes a big difference, both financially and emotionally.

there are some amazingly talented indie musicians out there -- kindly give
them some respect.  believe me, it's tough-going on your own.

thanks for listening (reading),


"my mind is a bad neighborhood that i try not to go into alone."
-- anne lamott



Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:47:39 +0200
From: "Franz Fuchs" <>
Subject: Re: Spector did not "save" the "Get Back" sessions
Message-ID: <001201bfa219$685bec00$41e246c3@franzfuc>

"Benjamin Adams" <> wrote:

>The "Martin mix" of the GET BACK album has been available for years in a
>pristine CD bootleg, and one listen shows that it would have been a
>perfectly valid version of the material for relase.

I thought that it was engineer Glyn Johns who mixed "Let It Be". Or are
there actually *three* versions (Spector/Martin/Johns) ?
Quote from Thomas Ott's "Let it be released":

"The EMI engineer Glyn Johns produced and mixed "The Beatles -- Get
Back, With 11 Other Songs." George Martin was largely absent from the
"Get Back" sessions and twice in January and May, 1969, Johns presented
the Beatles with finished mixes of the album and twice they were

Although Lewisohn would later give credit to Phil Spector for reworking
the "shitty" tapes into "Let It Be," it must be noted that Spector was
really wanted only by Lennon. The idea of "Get Back" was getting back to
the group's rock 'n' roll roots, something that was lost in the
kitsched-up Spector version that McCartney was furious with. The Johns
mix was raw but powerful and featured different performances of "Don't
Let Me Down," "The One After 909," and "Let It Be."

The unreleased album also contains a soulful take of "Save the Last
Dance For Me" and a tune called "Rocker." The front cover, a reprise of
the Beatles first record for EMI, was eventually used for the
million-selling, two-record set, "The Beatles 1967-70." "

Franz Fuchs


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 09:51:44 EDT
Subject: This shit is silly.
Message-ID: <>

Fellow Chalkgeeks:

Background info:
I spoke of TMW Murdered Love and said: As the song goes into its middle
eight Andy screams (six words) Francis took exception to this, saying:
Gosh, thanks for ruining the surprise for the rest of us. If I
disappointed anyone, I do apologize. I'm not attempting to spoil any of
the fun....just to release some of my joy. Sorry folks. I'm just elated at
the moment.

Okay, so Brian Matthews writes:

I was also one of the ones who complained. Your above commentary
notwithstanding, you've blown it for a few of us here, I'm sure..

WHAT?  Okay...I've apologized for spillin' the beans about a very, very,
very, very minor portion of the new XTC album.  Christ, the lyrics have
been printed out for quite a long time on the Chalkhills site for everyone
to read.  You make it sound as if I've ruined the listening experience for
everyone.  I assure you that you will be able to listen to the entire disc
twenty times over and still constantly find something new in it.  A friend
of mine emailed me about this silliness saying that he'd listened to the
new album many times and hadn't even noticed the line that you're under
the assumption is the cornerstone of the entire album.  This shit is
silly.  You don't know anything about the music, the arrangements, all of
it will be a shining miracle to your ears, yet you're hanging your hat on
6 words that are actually not that noticeable.  No one gets upset when
someone dissects the WHOLE FEEL of a song, but everyone loses it when a
few lyrics are written down.  Strange, to me the song is more important
than those six words. THIS JUST IN: Andy actually makes some other sounds
on the disc too.  I promise you all, by the time the last notes of Man
Murdered Love spill out of your speakers, you will have forgotten what I
wrote.  If you're still simmering over it after the song has ended I
suggest you up the dossage on your medication, or at least have your damn
ears checked.



Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 09:30:49 -0700
From: Richard Pedretti-Allen <>
Subject: Sad, sad, napster
Message-ID: <l03130300b5165b0592a1@[]>

>>You really are very, very sad.  I'm glad that you dislike Wasp Star for
>>the simple reason that you are selfish and don't respect XTC enough to
>>contact to alert them to copyright infringement (which is
>>something that they ask of everyone to do).

Brian wrote:
>Waitaminnit... maybe I'm missing something here, but why does Napster need
>to be told by anyone that they are involved in copyright infringment?
>Unless this Napster bunch live in a hole in the ground (and with net
>presence I doubt it), they are fully aware of such matters, especially if
>they ASK people to tell them if they are doing so... but the whole thing
>sounds kind of dumb.  Pick on Carl maybe, but don't drag up this Napster
>nonsense to do it.

I wasn't dragging Napster into any "nonsense" but simply stating that they
need to be notified when someone has illegally posted on their website.

It would require a legion of site police to monitor illegal postings.
Napster does virtually nothing to catch copyright violations on the front
end (essentially because it would be so easy to circumvent their efforts).
Instead they rely on site visitors to tell them when a copyright has been

I am not trying to infer any irresponsibility on Napster's part.  Even if
Napster suspected illegal posting, they'd never admit it and will simply
remove the offending files when notified.   -When Notified-

If you have a failsafe way to run an operation like that, let's write up a
business plan and get funding!

Richard "Two by four-ded up" Pedretti-Allen


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:17:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: dAVe burlingame <>
Subject: RE: Say NO to Napster
Message-ID: <>

Molly Fanton mused:

:Boy, that sounded very hypacritical of me to say that,
:since I tape stuff off TV and CD/Cassette.  I think we
:all are hypacritical when we say "Oh you're thieves
:when you use Napster, because you're stealing.",
:because we ALL videotape stuff offf TV and we ALL tape
:stuff off of radio/CD/audio cassette.  So we should
:bow our heads down in shame for what we are doing.

sorry, i don't buy that.

i can make copies of whatever comes into my home: tv, radio, whatever.
it's not illegal, and falls under "fair use." the problem is with any
further distribution.

as far as napster, it's quite unfair to jump down the throat of the
program. it falls in the "guns don't kill people..." court. it's not the
program, but what people do with it.

i also jump at the chance to sample stuff via mp3. i don't give a crap [or
even two] about the origin of the mp3: if i like it, i'll get a legit
copy, or even several. face it--there aren't many avenues where one can
sample the music before purchase. online (cdnow, etc.) give you a max of
thirty seconds for maybe half the tunes. some record stores (chains
especially) let you sample an entire cd, but only the first ninety seconds
of a song. other store will let you sample only certain releases. if a
particular cd hasn't already been put into the bin, you're out of luck.
a store that lets you sample any cd for as long as you like is a rarity.

of course, i buy all xtc stuff regardless of whether i hear any snippets

anyone who would settle for the sound quality of an mp3 over
'uncompressed' music is nuts.

i'll listen to whatever mp3s i want, in whatever venue i choose. my
conscience is clear.

keep in mind that if the recording industry had its way, we would all be
forbidden from making any copies of anything--radio, tv, whatever. even
your taped compilations of things you already own would be against the

anyway, i'm done for now...



Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 15:25:59 EDT
From: "garret harkawik" <>
Subject: !!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <>

I have officially converted one person into an XTC fan!!!!!!!! My
friend who i let borrow Chips from the chacolate fireball just bought
it and says he is going to buy oranges and lemons too.


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:41:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: (Moore's Code)
Subject: (none)
Message-ID: <>

Much of the new Bart Starr CD resembles Sting and/or Tears For Fears.

Rock out, guys!


A wise man once said, "Shut the hell up about it until it's released!!"
That's like questioning JR not to post the songlyrics onsite yet,
"spoiling" it for us....

Hey you kids! PIPE DOWN!!

Pupil Haze,
Little Elian


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:56:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Can't find Wasp Star on Napster
Message-ID: <>

Well, after hearing that Wasp Star was about on Napster I finally
installed the software, just to get a little taste before I pick up my
2-3 copies on release day. I have no ethical problem with this -- the
only reason we're waiting now is for the record company to work up the
promotion, etc., and I'll still buy anything that's put out (even a
virgin version of fuzzy warbles). I don't think napster itself is
inherently the problem. Those who would use Napster and not pay for
stuff they like to support the artist are the same people who would
make tapes and not pay or buy used cds (which I do) and not pay
anyway. The people who like supporting artists will use services like
Napster as an enhancement to their buying and shopping processes, not
as a substitute for paying for music.

But now I go onto napster for two days, and NO Wasp Star to be found
anywhere! Ah well, I'll have to keep living off the tasty scoops of
review here at the Chalkhills list.

Better go check again, my demo cd is sounding more and more muffled to
my longing ears...

Best, Will


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:15:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: pancho artecona <>
Subject: XTC on Fright-X
Message-ID: <>

Don't think anyone has mentioned this, and if they
have, then I apologize for repeating.

I read an interview of the lads in a magazine called
Fright-X which I only bought because Andy and Colin
were on the cover. The mag was terrible and the
interviewer sophomoric, but Andy was still nice to him
and said a few things I had never heard before (mind
you, I am far from a completist). Namely, that he
learned a lot of licks from listening to the Grateful
Dead because 'Jerry Garcia was slow and painful that I
could sort of learn and play along with him. It was
like Play along with Uncle Jerry'. He also stated that
he was heavily influenced by the guitar player called
Ollie Howsell from a band called PATTO 'I never heard
a guitar as inventive as that, the songs aren't great
but the guitar playing stands on its own'.

If anyone has access to this band, please contact me,
I'd be curious to hear this Ollie dude.

On my cd player-
Inca Campers- Freaks of Nature
Thy Womb Jesus- Rosary's Child
Lardo Love-Fat
1.3- College Days
The Nubiles- Starting to Foam
Los Van Van- Grandes Exitos

Anyway, regardless of what happens, WASP STAR will
always be the rats p(s)aw as far as I am concerned.



Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:54:32 -0400
From: Dorothy Spirito <>
Subject: Well, the shirts travel well...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.10004091748150.5436-100000@esun2028>

Jim Smart lamented that he wore his Chalkhills shirt all over California,
and no one said 'hi' to him about it.

I wore mine to and from Rome, Italy, and no one said 'hi' about it to me,
either.  Drat.  However, I *did* get a couple of folks interested in
checking out XTC, after explaining what it is.

Spreading XTC,
(luuuuved Italy, BTW)


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:56:44 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Subject: Core Business
Message-ID: <>

Dear Chalkers,

Our mutual friend Peter F. has been blessed again:

> for the collectors among you (Hi Mark !) it is a 'real' CD (not a
> CD-R) with a full colour label and cardboard sleeve. The cover is
> black (none more black !!! geddit ?) with what looks like a coloured
> x-ray of an apple....Andy drew a face in it "hope you like it" (as if
> !)
> Does anyone (Mark ?) want me to scan this and put it online ?

As if you need to ask...

The debate rages on:

> How many of those Chalkhillers who have already
> blessed us with reviews of WS, positive OR negative, actually PAID for
> the copies they heard? [...]

Well, i haven't gotten a promo copy of WS (yet) but for AV1 i did get
a free cd prior to the general release so i could put up MP3's on the

Coz that's how it works: people who get these discs are usually
working in the media (jocks, reviewers etc) and "pay" for them by
doing something in return, or they have done something for the band
in the past. TANSTAAFL !

And don't worry: i also bought something like 18 copies of AV1 just
like i will buy each & every release of Wasp Star i can get my hands

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:11:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: more praise for GEB
Message-ID: <>

FIrst I recommended Godel, Escher, Bach, then someone
else (I forget who commented:

To put it succinctly, it is a  comparison/contrast
of these 3 great minds;  Godel: Mathemetician, M.C.
Escher:Artist,   J.S. Bach:Composer. < (Was that too
condescending?). Anyway, without going  into
too much detail, it goes into varying depths of the
mathematical  principles
used in each man's craft.  Great Stuff!  Listening to
Bach's " A  Musical
Offering ", with it's 'endlessly rising canon' will
never be the same  after
reading this book...
Godel, Escher, Bach is all that and more! It's a
lenghy discussion of artificial intelligence,
emergence theory, psychology, language and syntax, and
many other subjects presented in a cross-discipline
manner. On top of that, it's written very well.
Lively, engaging, not at all dry, full of humor, lots
of Lewis Carrol-esque wordplay, self-referential
structures, major experimentation with the actual
structure of the writing, etc. etc. This sprawling
book is one of the funniest, most difficult, most
thought provoking books I have ever read. At times
hard to understand, other times it's almost
simplistic. A first-rate mental workout. I cannot
overestimate the major impact its had on my own
creative work. Highest recommendation!

XTC content: ummmmmm, well, sets see...
I think Andy would like this book as well.


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:36:05 -0700
From: "Victor Rocha" <>
Subject: Old Andy Partridge Inteview
Message-ID: <002301bfa252$772b2f00$>

I found this old Andy interview in a San Francisco newspaper:


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:10:43 -0400
Subject: Keeping secrets and arriving trains
Message-ID: <001d01bfa257$4fbffd60$2ee07ad1@default>

Jim wrote:
> 2. writing about it on the digest....hmmmm....some people enjoyed hearing
> about it, while others are furious that their surprise is being ruined.

Well, even I, the first complainer about Wes's post, don't usually feel
annoyed about people posting their comments on Wasp Star.  I just can't see
how someone saying "You know what?  This is a *really* catchy song!" or
whatever gives anything away.  ("Oh heavens, now when I listen to that song,
I won't have that moment of wondering whether it will be catchy or whether
it will be dreck."  Well, *of course* it's going to be catchy.  It's an
*XTC* song.  Or, as Warren put it: "Telling me about a song doesn't give
away any surprises because email has no actual pitch to it.")  Still, I
think a bit of circumspection may be called for, because I do feel that
Wes's post, for instance, was rather similar to giving away the punchline of
a joke.

A couple people wrote:
> >               My own Personal 'Wasp Star'. Since I am one of the
> >'disappointed' here, I've come up with a song list I'd DIE to see as an
> >XTC album-
> I think # 11 could be "Everything" from "Bull".  Probably Andy's most
> beautiful song to never make an album.  Period....

Yes; add "Everything", substitute "Young Cleopatra" for "My Train is Coming"
(which I've never particularly falls under "basically acceptable
but not stellar" for me...and which I can't quite understand why Andy's kept
trying to use somewhere or other when he's had such better unused songs
lying around), and you've got yourself quite an album there.

-- Francis

"The hole in the sky where the sunshine comes in -- it dries up the land as
it mucks up your skin."
   -- Kirsty MacColl


Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 13:44:05 CDT
From: "Andrea Rossillon" <>
Subject: Catherine Wheel
Message-ID: <>

Hey, I haven't been reading the list lately, but I caught some that seemed
to be discussing what a Catherine or Catherine's wheel is, and someone
replied that it was a fireworks wheel.  which is certainly true, but I don't
know (since I haven't been reading the digests) if someone had also posted
the origins of _that_ name:

from her website,

St. Catherine of Alexandria
Feastday: November 25

St. Catherine of Alexandria, Virgin and Martyr whose feast day is November
25th. She is the patroness of philosophers and preachers.

St. Catherine is believed to have been born in Alexandria of a noble family.
Converted to Christianity through a vision, she denounced Maxentius for
persecuting Christians. Fifty of her converts were then burned to death by

Maxentius offered Catherine a royal marriage if she would deny the Faith.
Her refusal landed her in prison. While in prison, and while Maxentius was
away, Catherine converted Maxentius' wife and two hundred of his soldiers.
He had them all put to death.

Catherine was likewise condemned to death. She was put on a spiked wheel,
and when the wheel broke, she was beheaded. She is venerated as the
patroness of philosophers and preachers. St. Catherine's was one of the
voices heard by St. Joan of Arc.

Maxentius' blind fury against St. Catherine is symbolic of the anger of the
world in the face of truth and justice. When we live a life of truth and
justice, we can expect the forces of evil to oppose us. Our perseverance in
good, however, will be everlasting.

...and 1600 years later I choose her name as my confirmation name (as
opposed to the better-known Catherine of Siena) because my friends and I all
tried to find the coolest saints to name ourselves after.  So, the patroness
of philosophers and preachers, hmmmm, can we tie that in to XTC's songs and

And who was Maxentius?



Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 15:30:56 PDT
From: "Edward Sizzorhends" <>
Subject: Joe Funk and Everything
Message-ID: <>

Hey XtCers,

I would agree with Joe "Probably Andy's most beautiful song to never make
an album.  Period...." Funk.

"Everything" is a beee-you-tee-ful piece of work.

Oh and by the way,

For gosh's sake won't you put your Napsters down, boys.

Napsters down
Please don't steal
Soon enough you'll be hearing
The Maypole and the Wheel
Napsters down and wait for it!

one  bright  morning  XTC  might  end    with   a
big  bang   and    you'll   never   get   yourself    another   chance.

put  aside the   bandwith   and   give some   band a hand with
paying the bills

You know we'll have it soon and it will be sweet
it takes a  little cash to  supply the   beat,
soon all of us  will
be  up   on  our feet   and  dancing.

So for My sake won't you put your Napster down , boys

(and I promise not to do any more song parodies)

Peace and non-copyright infringement in the Kingdom of....
The Skylar King.

P.s. (yes, I know it's The Wheel...oh nevermind)


Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:37:59 EDT
Subject: Spoiled alert!
Message-ID: <>

Hi Chalkers--

Molly sez:

> I very highly doubt the people who have already got
>  Wasp Star will shut up.  They don't have any
>  consideration for us folk who don't have it.  They're
>  too excited to notice how very rude it is to spout out
>  about the album WHEN IT HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET!!!
>  Nobody has listened to our please, they just bitch
>  about us bitching about it.  They don't give a flying
>  f*ck for what we think.  Yes, we can scroll down, but
>  that gets real tiresome.  So again people who have
>  gotten Wasp Star either from that rip off Napster or
>  by getting a promo copy.  SHUT THE HELL UP UNTIL THE
>  ALBUMS RELEASE!!!!!  Thank you for that.

Hey, hey. You don't speak for everyone who doesn't have it.
I am a definite "have-not" and don't expect to be a "have" until
at least May 30, since I'm travelling the week before. But I'm
*loving* reading people's reviews (positive and negative - hope
those negatives turn positive!). In fact, I've just been skimming the
digests of late and reading *only* reviews and other news about
the new album. So please keep quiet (as in: don't shout) and scroll
down. No matter how tiring it is to you scrolling finger.

--Melissa "spoiler warnings allow the best of both worlds" Reaves


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