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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 64

                  Thursday, 6 April 2000


        Stop listening to weird music, quoth they
           I Actually Do Like The Grateful Dead
                     a brief rundown
                 How Bad Do You Want It?
                      All Wasped Up
               Setting the Record Straight
               Oranges and lemons and wasps
                       Sonidos Pet
                         Pee Yes
                Even CDs can have spoilers
                       Kinky WASPs
    Fire Work, my senses reeling and working overtime
                   The debate rages on
                        Wasp Star
                  ARGH!!!!! I forgot!!!!
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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:14:26 -0700
From: "Benjamin Adams" <>
Subject: Stop listening to weird music, quoth they
Message-ID: <>

Hello!  Having lurked for the last week, I finally feel able to jump into
the ongoing miscellaneous and sundry discussions taking place here.

First, to get this off on an XTC-related topic -- heh! -- I'm just wondering
how many folks here prefer AV1 or Homespun?  I largely prefer the versions
of the Andy songs on Homespun myself.  They seem to have a bit more
immediacy, while the orchestrated AV1 versions are almost too antiseptic.

Second, to hell with the mainstream -- don't ever let it get you in its
currents!  Recently my best friend -- with whom I used to haunt record
stores -- and his wife tried setting me up on a blind date.  Before I met
the girl in question, they pulled me aside and said, in essence: "For God's
sake, don't mention any of the weird music you listen to.  Be normal."

This was perhaps one of the most offensive things I'd ever heard in my life,
and I told them so in as polite terms as I could muster with steam coming
out of my ears.

"No, no," they said, "you have us wrong.  But if you mention bands she's
never heard of you could possibly scare her away.  Try to find other things
in common than music. and then, after a while, start introducing her to what
you like.  Pretend you like Faith Hill or something."

Ack.  For a bit it made sense.

Well.  I kept my mouth shut about favorite bands -- thereby losing one of my
best topics of conversation -- but it was all moot anyway.  The blind date
and I didn't hit it off.

There's no way I'll ever even consider following this advice again.  My
ex-wife was into off-beat music, which is how we met . . . and we're still
friendly, and we STILL talk music.  And whoever I hook up with next had
better be "weird" about music too.  = )

And currently in / recently have been in my changer are the following:

The Bolshoi: AWay (Best)
David J: Songs from Another Season
The Jazz Butcher Conspiracy: Glorious and Idiotic
Alex North: 2001 (Original, Unused Score)
The Loud Family: Attractive Nuisance
Robyn Hitchcock: A Collection 1981 - 93 (homeburned comp disc)
Devo: Through Being Cool (Best 1978 - 82) (homeburned comp disc)
Steely Dan: Two Against Nature
Peter Murphy: The Singles (homeburned comp disc)
Martin Newell / Andy Partridge: The Greatest Living Englishman
XTC: Homespun

Take care,
Benjamin Adams


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:17:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Al LaCarte <>
Subject: I Actually Do Like The Grateful Dead
Message-ID: <>


Q: What does a "Deadhead" say when he runs out of

A: Turn this SHIT off!



Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:55:33 EDT
Subject: a brief rundown
Message-ID: <>

  Heres my quick review of Wasp ( five ) Star. I listened all day yesterday
in headphones. I posted after my first listen so it wasnt very detailed. This
one will be a little more thorough.( Kind of )
  Playground--  You know my opinion on this one but I'll say it again---
Catchy as HELL. This should be a single somewhere down the line.
  Stupidly Happy---- A real head bopper. ANOTHER single.
  In Another Life--- Bouncy yet simple ditty from Colin.
  My Brown Guitar---VERY Beatles, Very good.
  Boarded Up----Another of Colins. Nothing like he's ever done. Very
interesting.  Almost spooky. It almost sounds like his swan song. ( Yikes! )
  I'm the Man Who Murdered Love---- A GREAT sing along. Catchy as HELL. ( see
a pattern? )
  We're All Light--- So far my favorite. I think its Wasp Stars "Then She
Appeared". This will have you dancin' all over. It makes me smile from WAY
DOWN DEEP. It actually has the same vibrato whistle thats in House of Pains "
Jump Around" but so help me , it friggin' works.
  Standing In For Joe--- Colins third. Another bouncy tune. Nuff said.
  Wounded Horse-- Andys drunken country song. I love it.
  You & the Clouds--- Another jazzy song from Andy. I can picture Bill Cosby
doing his little shuffle dance to this one. ( I DONT KNOW WHY!!!!!)
   Church of Women-- A mix of Books are Burning and Mr. Bigs " Just To Be
With You". Thats not a bad thing. It just sounds like youve heard it before.
Its still an excellent song.
    Wheel & the Maypole--- Two different songs in one. Part two is the best.
More Dancing!!!
  Overall , I give it an A+. Every song has some thing GREAT about it.
         Back to listening. Roger


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:35:10 -0500
From: "Toby Thomas" <>
Subject: How Bad Do You Want It?
Message-ID: <003a01bf9ef3$06f19380$478f9cd1@silvermoon>
Organization: Prodigy Internet

from the Audities List:

Todd Rundgren is selling his Prophet 10 that he bought for XTC's
 Skylarking record.  That's all he ever used it for and they just found
 the thing in an unmarked case in his storage room.  It's on ebay at the
following url

The item number is:  300730977

Hey.... check out Chalkhiller Jim Smart's 3Tripper Waituke CD at . Great stuff!


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:43:46 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: All Wasped Up
Message-ID: <>

"Wasp Star" by XTC. Three Words. SH*T F*CKING H*T. Can't wait to hear
it for a second time!

Let's face it, guitars rule.




Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:47:26 EDT
Subject: Setting the Record Straight
Message-ID: <>

>From: "Todd Bernhardt" <>
>Subject: Sounding off

>First of all, I'd like to remind Day Video Productions' publicist that
>my preferred nom d'amour for all film-related press releases is "T.
>Bonehard." Check the contract, pal.

And was there ever a less appropriate pseudonym? Time upon time, filming
ground to a halt as Bony Boy exhausted fluffer after fluffer, all the while
cramming Cheetos into his maw and getting Day-Glo orange gunk all over the
talent. He'll never work in this town again. (Oh, as if he ever *did*!)

>In fact, I've never really understood the whole Beach Boys/Brian
>Wilson-as-icon thing. Yeah, they've got good vocals and a defined style,
>but IMO none of their stuff Rocks.

You stick to the Cheetos and Freshen-Up gum, Bony. Leave the difficult matter
of good taste in music to the grownups. You know, the ones who can work up
a... Oh never mind...

Seriously, though, you have to compare Pet Sounds to its 1966 contemporaries
to appreciate what a mindbogglingly innovative record it was. It's not
*supposed* to Rock, that's kind of the whole point. It's a lunge toward
adulthood, toward the notion of Pop Song as Art Object. It's also a
declaration of independence from the strictures of two-guitars-bass-drums, a
manifesto that the musical palette of a pop song could include any
instrument, any sound, any damned thing the Artist wanted it to. Brian Wilson
didn't invent this idea, by any stretch, but consider: The Mothers of
Invention released Freak Out, their first album, four months after Pet Sounds.

It isn't so much his voice-leading skills, (although these are truly
amazing), and the Big-Assed Beach Boys harmonies are certainly a major
selling point, but what makes me a staunch member of the "Brian Wilson is
God" school is his ability to write an achingly gorgeous melody and couch it
in a harmonic setting of a sophistication and deftness that leaves nearly all
of his contemporaries in the dust. Even the Beatles were not in this league
in 1966. Wilson's amazing talents were evident long before Pet Sounds, and if
you analyze even the "dumb surf music" that most people associate with the
Beach Boys you'll find chord changes and harmonic settings that twist the
usual Brill Building/Spector formulas of the time into these amazing,
intricate, glowing pretzels. Listen with a sympathetic ear to 1964's "The
Warmth of the Sun," listen to what he's doing with the chords: Our Swindon
Kapellmeister would be a humble daisy indeed if he could write one song so
deceptively simple and beautiful (as I'm sure he himself would tell you).
Hell, listen to the chords behind "Surfer Girl" and see what he does with
that archetypal Fifties I-vi-IV-V7 doo-wop progression: for grins, compare it
to the chords of the Fabs' "This Boy"--another interesting reworking of the
doo-wop cliche--you'll see a glimmer of the roots of their legendary
transatlantic rivalry.

Back to Pet Sounds: "God Only Knows" is Wilson at the height of his awesome
powers. The melodic setting of the verse instills a tension that grows with
each line: each of the first three lines is unresolved, they visit
neighboring keys, meandering, always hinting at the tonic but always avoiding
the explicit statement. But just when the anxiety produced by this
uncertainty becomes (literally) unbearable, the dam bursts and relief flows
over us like divine providence:

D/A           Bm6
If you should ever leave me

[In a lesser song, this would be the *second* line--the IV degree of the
scale traditionally answers something stated over I in the first line. It
leads us to believe, wrongly, that the home key is D. Anxiety is introduced
when the rest of the verse belies this, hinting at A instead.]

F#m F#m7                F#m6/A
Though life would still go on, believe me

[Rationalization. The A bass hints at a solution, a cadence, but supplies

E/B        Cdim
The world could show nothing to me,

[Anxiety is cresting! I'm Brian Wilson! Bow down before me, puny human!
(Note: That diminished chord will later become an Andy Partridge staple: cf. "
a little frightened" in Then She Appeared)]

E/B                A#m7-5
So what good would living do me?

[A#m7-5!!! A half step up from the implied tonic! What the hell key are we
in?!?!? Tense, really tense, like a really tense thing!  Fuck it, I'm taking
the pipe!!! Goodbye cruel world!]

A          E/G#              F#m7
>God< only knows what I'd be without you

[*There's* that A major!!! Brian sez it's OK; You can take your head out of
the oven now.]

A-and look at the word that introduces the long-awaited cadence! That's some
tight shit, Bucko. Note also that that last line doesn't *really* resolve;
the F#m behind "without you" points right back into the irresolution. This
anxiety/relief cycle continues until the round that provides the fadeout,
when at last the oscillating emotions reach something resembling peace. This,
Todd, Rocks.

Compare it to the end of "Church of Women"--oops. Not supposed to talk about
that yet. Sorry.


>Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 05:16:53 -0700
>From: Herne <>

>1.) Patti Smith---she allegedly screwed Mick Jagger, her near OD
>inspired "Wild Horses".  She wrote Dancing Barefoot

I was getting a little eye-weary, paging down at lightning speed past all
those WIMP lists, and I missed this the first time around.

Herne, people will probably buttonhole you and wag a reproachful finger in
your face pointing out that the OD that inspired "Wild Horses" was Marianne
Faithfull's, not Patti Smith's, but you and I know just how wrong they all
are. It wasn't Marianne Faithfull, it was Marianne Partridge; it wasn't Wild
Horses, it was Your Dictionary; it wasn't Mick Jagger, it was some geezer on
a playground with a bike; it wasn't an OD, it was just a nasty cold; and it
wasn't "screwing," it was "making sweet, sweet jungle love." Other than that,
everything else is right.

You're thinking of the Patti Smith who married ex-Soft Boys bassist Richard
Hell, with whom they formed the original, pre-Bono U2 and had an
international hit with "Stop! in the Name of Love," produced by (Hey! XTC
connection!) Elton John's drummer Gus Dudgeon. After Hell's death in 1992,
the peripatetic Patti, daughter of early-television pioneer "Buffalo Bob"
Smith, wrote several episodes of the Star Wars sequel, Babylon-5. She can be
seen nowadays as the center square in the New Hollywood Squares, making
scathing puns and reciting off-the-cuff free verse. She last used heroin in
1986, but since has been going "clean for Gene" (Simmons, her new paramour).

As far as I know, Ms. Smith always wrote sitting down and fully shod.

Harrison "Go on--ask me another one!" Sherwood


Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:26:13 -0500
From: chris vreeland <>
Subject: Waiting
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Vreeland Graphics

Top Ten Ways I'm Killing Time While Waiting For Wasp Star:

10. Eating.  From the Vegitarian Epicure: Iced Cucumber Soup and

9.  Counting the hours until Satan's Little Helper, the Apoplectic
Poodle next door dies of a heart attack.

8. Reading. Okay, HONEST, I just picked this book up three days ago,
with no Idea I'd find this. Imagine my suprise:
		He came out glassy-eyed and calm, and sat down under his
 		burning lamp. The sunlight poked feebly behng the drawn
		"Say, why don't you fellows try my orgone accumulator? Put
		some juice in your bones. I always rush up and take off
		ninety miles an hour for, the nearest whorehouse."
		(..........) Old Bull thought his orgone accumulator would
		be improved if the wood he used were as organic as
		possible, so he tied bushy bayou leaves and twigs to his
		mystical outhouse.
		- Jack Kerouac, On The Road 

7. Petitioning my guru for premission to change my mantra from "Thud!
Thud! Thud!" to "Innervisions! Innervisions!"

6. Hammering Veal from the Golden Calf. Two critical faves I just don't
get: Metallica, and Oasis.  Mediocre musicianship, banal songwriting and
arrangement, hackneyed and trite lyrics, both of them.

5. Going in deep, dark holes in the ground.

4. Listening to the demos for AVII over and over again, and sqinting in
order to make them sound more "produced."

3. Joining the Kevin Gilbert digest, so I have one less off-topic
subject to bother you-all with.

2. The Regret Show- thar special period between two and four am where
I get to relive everything I've done wrong while lying on my back in the
dark. This week's episode: Why Why WHY! did I blow off walking across
the street on my birthday in 1981 and buying a ticket at the door of
Palmer Auditorium for the Police and XTC?

1. Obsessively compiling top-ten lists.

Seeking the catharsis only a new XtC album can bring,



Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:29:04 -0400
Subject: Oranges and lemons and wasps
Message-ID: <>

Hello Chalksters,

?d like to thank ?vee tube? for posting the Acoustic Tales
listening to it reminded me how great those Oranges and Lemons songs
are. I often feel that album is the ?one that got away,? and would benefit
greatly from less fussy production. In the book Song Stories, Andy is said
to commend producer Paul Fox for being sensitive. The book explains
further that, in truth, Fox indulged Partridge?s every idea with exacting
detail ? and it shows.  Hearing those 6 O&L songs stripped down to 2
acoustics and a 12-string uncovers their compositional beauty in a way
I?ve never experienced.
          Truthfully, I feel the same way about Mummer and The Big
Express, but for a different reason.  With a few exceptions (e.g. ?Love on
a Farmboy?s Wages,?) those albums suffer in hindsight from dated
sounds, i.e.: cheesy synths and drum machines.  Attention today?s
hitmakers: If you want your album to sound old in 5 years, bow to the
gimmicks du jour (low-fi and electronica bleep mavens note.)  It's a shame
because, of course, under that production are great songs.
          Listening to Acoustic Tales also brings Wasp Star to mind;
many of the WS songs are much simpler than the O&L batch (e.g.:
?Stupidly Happy;?  ?Boarded Up;?  ?I?m the Man Who Murdered Love;?
?Wounded Horse.?)  Judging from the demos, the production will be sparse
and strong, which means the album should hold up well.  I?m not saying
one is better than the other ? it?s like comparing oranges and lemons ?
but a little simplicity never hurts.


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:11:44 -0300
From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?U2ViYXN0aeFuIEFk+nJpeg==?=" <>
Subject: Sonidos Pet
Message-ID: <000a01bf9f19$bcd2e5c0$fa750ac8@sebasaduriz>

Tod said:

<As for killing off sacred cows, IMO you can't do much better than "Pet
<Sounds." I bought it about two years ago because so many artists I like
<have cited it as an influence.

<I listened to it. A lot. I *tried* to like it -- really, I did. But I
<didn't. I ended up giving it to my brother, who's a fan.

<In fact, I've never really understood the whole Beach Boys/Brian
<Wilson-as-icon thing. Yeah, they've got good vocals and a defined style,
<but IMO none of their stuff Rocks. If I'm going to listen to the Beach
<Boys, I preferred them filtered through the genius of Andy Partridge.


This is my first time to this list which I've been reading and enjoying for
the last six months ( I'm from Argentina, 34 year's old and big fan for XTC
since the early eighties).

Only one thing to say: Thank you, Todd.  I believe you earned me a lot of
worrying, asking me why I didn't catch along with Pet Sounds  ( I finally
had it by Christmas, after years of promising me I would get into the album
which featured the original version of God Only Knows, that got Mc Cartney
wanting to make Sargeant Pepper's and that inspired some of XTC's greatest
stuff). I will try a bit more, but I think Pale and Precious will remain my
favourite " Beach Boys's" song.

Having also enjoyed the recent lists, this is my modest contribution:

- Apple Venus I: The more I listen to it, the more it grows in my affection.
At first I thought this would be something complementary to XTC's main
stuff. Now I'm starting to believe AV I it's one of the band's best records.

- Peter Townshend, The Best Of: Having heard very little of Ray Davies, this
has been my english composing reference.

- Adriana Varela, Cuando El Rio Suena: Local tango singer, here mixing
classical tango songs with modern murga and candombe.

- Stevie Wonder, Talking Book: recently acquired; great, great music.

Thank you all and excuse any english mistake I make,




Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:19:56 EDT
Subject: Pee Yes
Message-ID: <>

Hey: Who caught Lou Reed on Letterman last night? I don't care what a bunch
of Internet geeks say: That was utterly spellbinding.

Harrison "I came I saw, I declared martial law" Sherwood


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:01:33 -0400
Subject: Even CDs can have spoilers
Message-ID: <007e01bf9f39$c3068580$acfda4d8@default>

> As the
> song goes into its middle eight Andy screams "IT'S THE MIDDLE OF THE

Gosh, thanks for ruining the surprise for the rest of us.

-- Francis

"Hey!  What do you think of that?"
   -- XTC


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:45:51 -0700
From: "Drew MacDonald" <>
Subject: Kinky WASPs
Message-ID: <000e01bf9f48$502ab0e0$>

It's good to see a significant XTC/Kinks fan-overlap on this list, since
both bands are among my all-time favorites.

Kinks content: Los Angeles-area Hillers/Kultists will want to check out a
gig this Saturday (April 8)by the Well-Respected Men, a Kinks cover band
featuring Brian Kassan of Chewy Marble. They're playing at 9:30 at the Hound
and Fox pub in Studio City, Ventura Blvd. just west of Vineland. Admission
is free.

XTC content: I don't know about the rest of you, but the wildly-divergent
early reviews of WS on this list (and others) only INCREASES my
anticipation. Unqualified raves from everyone would almost have been
predictable, but now that we've got people who seem to hate the disc, I
REALLY can't wait to hear it myself!



Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:16:10 -1000
From: "Jim Smart" <>
Subject: Fire Work, my senses reeling and working overtime
Message-ID: <>
Organization: 3Tripper

Thanks Mark for posting that songbook. I've heard of it, but never had
a chance to see it till now. My favorite misprint is listing Andy as
the author of Nigel.

And thanks to the many Chalkies who wrote to tell me what a
Catherine's Wheel is. The consensus so far is that it is a word for a
spinning wheel type of....*Firework* Now, it is possible to postulate
that Andy wanted to "sort of" name Apple Venus after a lyric from
Nonsuch by using the term Firework instead of Catherine's Wheel, in
the same way Wasp Star is another name for Venus. Like a clue for us
to follow up on. Somehow I have this shady feeling that even naming a
pinwheel firecracker got its name (well, in the UK and Australia and
NZ, apparently) from something else, like mythology or the Bible
(well, those are the same thing, I know). Is it like a Jacob's ladder,
or something from a story? Who was Catherine, anyway?

Jim "are you reeling in the ears?" Smart


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:16:16 -0700
From: "John Keel" <>
Subject: The debate rages on
Message-ID: <01b701bf9f50$662a1fe0$>

Hi kids!

So, I love all the varied opinions being discussed about "Wasp Star" since
my initial posting last week.  Obviously I'm both disappointed and
incredulous at those who don't find the album exhilarating, but to each his
own.  I hope it grows on them and I can't wait to hear the demos (PLEASE
release another "Homespun" for Vol. 2) to see what I missed.

I thoroughly enjoyed Jim Smart's review and agree with him on most all
points.  One thing that I did yesterday was to make a cassette for my car (I
don't want to replace the original stereo in my '83 280ZX) of my faves from
Volumes 1 & 2, and they compliment each other so well that it makes them all
sound even better (again, the demos may have been all mixed up anyway so
this may not be anything new to some of you).

The tracks fall out like this: "Playground", "I'd Like That", "You and the
Clouds", "Easter Theatre", "Stupidly Happy", "River of Orchids", "Your
Dictionary" (the demo from "Homespun"), "Wounded Horse", "Harvest Festival"
and ends with "The Wheel and the Maypole".

Then, just for fun, I filled up side 2 of the tape with miscellaneous
favorites: "Grass", "Are You Receiving Me?", "It's Nearly Africa", "Rocket
from a Bottle", "Mayor of Simpleton", "Blame the Weather" (God, I love that
song and can't believe it was only a B-side), "Wrapped in Grey", "Earn
Enough for Us", "Don't Lose Your Temper", "Roads Girdle the Globe (the live
BBC Radio version), "Love on a Farmboy's Wages" (I wanted to put "Scarecrow
People" here but didn't have time) and closed it all with "Snowman".  All in
all it's a fabulous tape.

And great news about "The Man who Murdered Love" being the first radio
single.  Like I said, it was my initial favorite song and I'm glad it's
going to hit the airwaves.  Again, I just hope the lunatic fringe don't
capture it as another reason to blame all the youth gun violence on the
arts.  It's called IRONY folks; look it up.

As always, thanks for listening!


"Mama, how I wish I was a virgin, worshipping my ignorance of the world."
Crack the Sky, "Virgin . . . No"


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:28:35 EDT
Subject: Wasp Star
Message-ID: <>

While I appreciate everyone's opinion about each song, etc. on Wasp Star
maybe we could hold it until after the official release. This will allow all
of us to approach the material fresh. I don't know, I just kind of feel left
out of the loop here. I'd like to approach the material fresh without any
preconceived notions about "being disappointed with the material."

I always have approached each release without any preconceptions. I'm just
happy that they're releasing another album so soon and hope they can keep up
the pace because of the backlogged wealth they accumulated during their time

OK, so I'm being cranky! When I heard AV1 was going to be released I didn't
listen to the demos for quite some time so that I might approach it with a
fresher point of view.

It ain't worth much, but that's my opinion on the matter.



Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:22:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Molly Fanton <>
Subject: ARGH!!!!! I forgot!!!!
Message-ID: <>

I'm totally forgot about the listening party Wednesday night.  I'm SO
sorry.  I was watching Joesph and the Amazing Technicolor
Dreamcoat/Requim special on PBS.  (PLEASE NO ANTI-WEBER COMMENTS).

I've decided to reschedule the Dukes of Stratosphear listening party
for next Wednesday.  Please forgive me.  I do feel really bad.  I'll
just redo my
site. (
Sorry for the inconvenience.


Molly's Pages


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:32:33 -0500
From: "Jamie Lowe" <>
Subject: Chicago Alert
Message-ID: <00ca01bf9f78$d9e7c400$ba5b1a3f@unlpm>

Chicago Chalkholders:

Send your E-mails requesting Wasp Star to  my current
favorite song is Wounded Horse a bluesy number unlike anything you've heard
from the lads but that's one of the reasons we love them!  Also,  Jim wrote
in the CH#6-63.  These are also Radio ready and I agree:

>1. Playground (AP)
>2. Stupidly Happy (AP)
>6. The Man Who Murdered Love (AP)
>7. We're All Light (AP)
>8. Standing in for Joe (CM)
>10. You and the Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful (AP)

Our train is coming! And what's on it is all fine!
Jamie Lowe


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