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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 61

                   Monday, 3 April 2000


                       rotate this!
                  rotate this! (part 2)
  (note to self: insert smartarse subject heading here)
                The Orchid show, yet again
               Setting the record straight
                    rockin' old farts
 Musical Spinach, or grinding sacred cows into hamburger
                       See Spot Run
            WS (AV2) japanese release and more
                    chewles schmewels
            Colin Count, WOMT & Bubble Erratum
         Careful with that Ax Herne/ Miles Behind
      HCU episode #4: Kinks are the Village Green...
                Re: "Scam Alert" et cetera
                 What was in my CD player


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Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 22:59:13 -0400
From: David Oh <>
Subject: rotate this!
Message-ID: <>

home player:

thomas dolby - the gate to the mind's eye
xtc - kings for a day (bootleg)
the who - who's next (not the 1995 expanded release)
brian eno - another green world
the dukes - chips from the chocolate fireball (an anthology)

car changer:

xtc - apple venus volume 2
eric johnson - venus isle
foo fighters - there is nothing left to lose
thomas dolby - retrospectacle
the who - live at leeds (the 1995 expanded version)
frank zappa - roxy & elsewhere ("i ate a hot dog, it taste real good!
korn - issues
red hot chili peppers - bloodsugarsexmagik
limp bizkit - significant other
brian eno - before and after science

portable player (for the subway - changes daily). for 00-03-31:

morning trip: red hot chili peppers - the uplift mofo party plan
evening trip: xtc - oranges & lemons (mobile fidelity sound labs gold disc)

 peace & xtc,



Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 23:06:29 -0400
From: David Oh <>
Subject: rotate this! (part 2)
Message-ID: <>

also available for the portable player and played on alternate days:

steely dan - aja
steely dan - two against nature

 peace & xtc,



Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:52:00 PDT
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: (note to self: insert smartarse subject heading here)
Message-ID: <>

Catching up with various points and thoughts of the previous week:

OK spoilsports - I WILL NOT read anything about the content of the new CD
until I have it in my hot little hands. Why do you guys feel compelled to
spoil that wonderful sense of anticipation? It's one of the few things that
makes life worth living these days.

* * *

I am reminded of "Human Alchemy" .... just when I thought life in Australia
couldn't get any more detestable, our vile stiking fascist government dons
the hood, lights the crosses, and shows it's true colours (red, white with a
big black swatika in the middle), proclaiming that that the forcible removal
of Aboriginal children from their families (usually referred to as The
Stolen Generation) never really happened ... well it did, but it was SOOOOO
insignificant - a teeensy weensy piddling 10% at best - so there you are,
you needn't care any more, because even if anything *did* happen it was
basically all legal anyway, and it was all done with the best
intentions, because of course who wouldn't prefer to live with a nice white

You'd better come and get me ASIO - cos if I ever see John Howard I'm gonna
fucking kill him. I can only echo the words of Frank Zappa:

"I may not be black, but there's a whole lotta times I wish I wasn't white".

* * *

Elton looks like Andy? I've heard some cock-eyed comparisons in my time, but
this one takes the cake. But I'm sure Andy was barfing along with the rest
of us as Sir Elton grovelled at Westminster during Diana's funeral. Goodbye
Yellow Brick Road, hello Brown Nose.

That being said, Elton DID make some great music, and was definitely a role
model for anyone who played piano, or was not tall and skinny, or didn't not
look like Robert Plant, or had fat little fingers (like me). He is,
regrettably, living proof of the thesis that we are only given a limited
number of good ideas in our lifetime, but his latter-day decline should not
overshadow his huge catalogue of fine work through the 70s.

* * *

This just in from Thomas Long <>

>The top ten currently annoying the wife:
>Smile - Beach Boys

Do you know something (or somebody) we don't, Thomas?

* * *

Life without the Kinks would not be worth living. Oddly enough, though, I am
reminded of a news item I heard, many years ago, that claimed "Waterloo
Sunset" ranked as the "favourite" piece of music for people commit suicide

* * *

Molly - Branson can kiss my arse too, although I'd be more than happy to
kiss that or any other part of his anatomy if was willing to pay for it.
Unfortunately this doesn't obviate the fact that Branson sold Virgin to EMI
several years ago for a vast fortune. He's scum, it's true, but the Fuzzy
Warbles fiasco is not really his fault.

* * *

Who the hell are Soul Coughing?

* * *

Wallace & Gromit content - one of the most delightful experiences of my life
was the Australian premiere of "The Wrong Trousers" at the Sydney Film
Festival some years ago. I have never, ever experienced such a collective
feeling of happiness. EVERYONE in the theatre was literally crying with
laughter by the end of the train chase (and it still brings a wee tear to my
eye when I think of it). There is something so ineffably sweet and English
about Nick Park's work. If a
bloated has-been like Andrew Loud-Wanker can be made a Lord, Nick Park
should be Emperor of Europe. AND you can watch it again and again and again
and again (my kids *DO*) and it still makes you laugh.

* * *

How the heck does someone get to meet Sam Waterson?? Was he nice? I love
"Law & Order" - especially Jerry Wisecrack ... err, Orbach. Has anyone else
seen Waterson in that hilarious SNL fake ad he did a few yers ago, where
he's endorsing "Old Glory Insurance" - life insurance for the over-60s to
protect them against robot attacks? Side-splitting.

"Old Glory Insurance - for when the metal ones come for you ... and they
*will* come."

* * *

Phil Collins - AGAIN???

* * *

Todd's "Nearly Human" is mighty, but the follow-up, "Second Wind" is
mightier still. I would willingly sacrifice any and all appendages to have
written the opening track "Change Myself". Plus it was all recorded live. He
is Godd.

* * *

OK I've done my dash. Now I need lunch.

Chalk on yas



Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 01:15:03 EDT
Subject: The Orchid show, yet again
Message-ID: <>

Hey Hillers:

The site has a press release that should let those who
are curious know about the Orchid Show. I originally found it under
the Chalkhills "What's New" section. Re: tickets- Anyone who wants to
order them might want to hold off until the middle of April, because I
attempted to buy some and was greeted by a plethora of D'oh-ness at
the Kitchen box office (they hadn't heard of it). I spoke to the "nice
lady" (File under 'Sweetums') who does publicity for this dance
company, and she told me to try again in a couple of weeks (probably
thinking I was a tad tweeky).

Wallace & Gromit rule! *Walkies!*

Love the "Pink Thing" porno flick idea. Maybe we could somehow make
this film, using the Chalkhiller funding idea put forth back in
February, ala The Blair Witch Project, only it would be "The Pink
Thing Project", and the proceeds we would use to purchase a very large
and painful implement to insert up Virgin's posterior in thanks for
their cooperation with XTC for the "Fuzzy Warble Project"!

                              Busily Projecting,


Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:32:24 -0400
From: "Mike Livingston" <>
Subject: Setting the record straight
Message-ID: <000001bf9d2d$fd7ed4a0$>

	Just to clear this up.... wrote on Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:56:49 EDT-
Uhhhh, I kinda hate Phil Collins.  While the Tarzan tune and the movie were
cool, they didn't come close to the Sara McLachlan tune/Toy Story II combo.
Sara's song is just SO perfect, it really tugs at the heart.  I realized
about half way through Toy Story II that my mouth was hanging open in
amazement.  I seriously believe that it should have been nominated for best
picture. <end>

	The song Sara McLachlan sings in Toy Story 2 was written by
Randy Newman.  It IS a great tune!!  Check out Mr. Newman's recent
album "Bad Love".  You'll thank me later...

 - Mike Livingston


Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 23:59:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: rockin' old farts
Message-ID: <>

Ah, I see from the last chalkhills that fomeone took
the following, written by me, seriously:

<< THe RollingStones are proof that there
should be a mandetory retirement age for rock stars.
At least those who are stuck in perpetual adolescence.

I was only half serious here. The phrase 'perpetual
adolescence' is key to my point. Saw John Lydon on the
Daily Show last week, and thought to myself 'my god-a
14 year old stuck in the body of a 45 year old man.' A
truly pathetic and embarassing sight.
Now I don't want to ever be accused of wanting people
to 'grow up'. I'm a big kid myself at 36. But, it is
possible to age gracefully, to accept the changes that
occur as one ages with dignity, to let those changes
reflect in your art...

And, there are a few rock stars who have aged
gracefully. Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, Van Morrison,
Joni Mitchell spring to mind instantly.

So, no. Age dosen't really matter. Being a doofus like
John Lydon or as asshole like Mick Jagger does.

By the way, there was an interesting article in the NY
Times today (Sunday, 4/2/00) about artists growing
older and how it affects their work. Well written and
insightful, it's worth tracking down.


Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:48:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: Musical Spinach, or grinding sacred cows into hamburger
Message-ID: <>

Trashing sacred cows-now this is fun!

I came of age musically during the tail end of Punk,
and grew used to trashing old 'dinosaur' bands (many
whom I later came to like). It was definately us
against them back in those days (actually it was ME
against EVERYONE ELSE where I grew up-small town Mid
Michigan didn't produce too many punk fans).
Anyways, here's my list of musical spinach-those
sacred cows I'm suppsed to like, but can't see the

1.  Grateful Dead-I've tried. More than a few times.
Completely pointless and boring far as i'm concerned.

2.  Lou Reed. The Velvet Underground are OK, but I
can't stand the vast majority of Lou's solo work.  Who
ever told the man he could sing? THEY WERE WRONG!

3.  Marvin Gaye's What's Going On? sounds like the
same song over and over to me, and it's a dull song at

4.  Alex Chilton-Like Flies on Sherbet. To many, a
brilliant masterpiece of self destruction. To me, a
sad sloppy reminder of wasted (and I do mean WASTED)

5.  Frank Zappa. Again, I've tried, even harder than I
tried with the Dead. Just don't get the point. Zappa
the person had interesting things to say. Zappa the
muscician bores me.

6.  Pink Floyd-I own a copy of Dark Side... that I
never play.  Thw Wall is really boring, overblown
psychobabble wrapped around a few mediocre tunes.

7.  Paul McCartney-the flaccid solo years. Loved this
stuff when I was a kid, now I don't know what the hell
I was thinking. Most of his work is pretentious,
average at best bland pop. And please, Paul, stop
writing "classsical" music! Just stop. Please! You're
making a fool of yourself!

8. Replacements-the band that supposedly gave proof
that the '80's didn't totally suck sounds to me like
the same unfunny joke told over and over again.

9.  George Clinon-A friend of mine was at a party in
Ann Arbor about 12 years ago when George Clinton
walked in with a cassette of music he claimed that
Prince had sent him. He put it on, and trashed it, of
course inviting similar-minded comments from the
others at the party. Surprise, surprise when those
very tracks wound up on the next George Clinton album,
writing credited to George, not Prince!
That isn't why I don't like his music, I just like
that story. I don't like his music for the same reason
I don't like most of the stuff on this list-it's
pointless, boring, and overrated.

I'll probably think up some more later, I have to go
to sleep now. need to adjust to daylight savings time.


Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:19:55 +1000
From: Kimball Duncan <>
Subject: See Spot Run
Message-ID: <>

Books? Now you you want books?? OK I'll give you my five most recent:

"Arabian Sands" - Wilfred Thesiger
Fascinating account of his travels in Arabia in the 1930s by one of the last
great British Bwanas. Big Willy was one of the the first three Europeans to
explore Arabia's "Empty Quarter". (Megaspy Kim Philby's dad was another).
Thesiger is especially notable for his great respect for the customs and
lifestyles of Bedu tribes with whom he travelled, and he always made a point
of living and travelling as one of them. He hates modern innovation and
despairs of the destruction of the traditional way of life. He also
travelled extensively in the Iraqi Marshes and his memoirs of those trips
are now (thanks to the noted social engineer Saddam Hussein) among the few
records of the Arab people who lived there.

"Longitude" - Dava Sobel
Bloody interesting little read about a big subject. John Harrison
(1693-1776) was a self-taught mechanical genius who solved the biggest
technological problem of his day - determining accurate longitude at sea -
by inventing not one but FIVE of the world's most advanced chronometers - as
well as inventing caged bearings AND the bi-metallic strip along the way.
Well I guess they didn't have TV back then ....

"The Prize" - Daniel Yergin
BIG read about an even bigger subject. Yergin's book is the definitive
history of the oil industry. The one that Libertarians wish had never been

"Million Dollar Movie" - Michael Powell
He should be one of a "Big Three" of British directors (with Hitch and
Lean), except that hardly anyone knows who he is. Brilliant and
idiosyncratic writer/director who was just too much his own man ever to play
the studio game; he paid the price but made some classic films along the
way, "Peeping Tom" being perhaps his best.

"His Masters Voice" - Jim Keays
Jim was the lead singer of "Australia's Rolling Stones", The Masters
Apprentices. His rambunctious memoirs are a must-read for anyone interested
in the hidden history of Australian/NZ rock of the 60s and 70s. (What IS the
problem with Mojo magazine and Aussie music, anyway?) Worth the purchase
price if only for Jim's hilarious account of his first LSD trip.

Haven't really been in a fiction mood for the last few years, sorry.

* * *

The Good, The Bad and The E-Street Shuffle, Revisited

Herne doesn't like:

"Exile On Main Street" ... yeah, like we should all make such "overrated"

"Velvet Underground and Nico" ... no, no, no - you're confusing it with
"White Light, White Heat". THAT'S the crap one.

But Herne, dear lad ... what, pray tell, is wrong - exactly - with Syd's
Pink Floyd, Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac or PG's Genesis? (All of whom I must
say reside in my own musical pantheon).

You just said that to annoy me didn't you? Are you seriously trying to tell
me that "The Final Cut" is better than "Piper At The Gates Of Dawn"? That
"Wind And Wuthering" outclasses "Selling England By The Pound"??

[pause to fall off chair laughing]

Ahhh, The Doors. What IS the problem here people? I see they got a major
drubbing in a recent Mojo review ... "emperor's new clothes, etc etc".
Methinks ye all take dear old Jim FAR too seriously. I think that he has
more in common with Morrisey than one might imagine (and I mean that in a
nice way). There's much more humour in the Doors music and lyrics than Jimbo
gets credit for (and don't forget that Krieger wrote his fair share of the
catalogue). But with a pompous ass like Ray Manzarek as the self-annointed
spokesman, no wonder we get the wrong view. Listen to "Absolutely Live" The
guy was basically into having FUN.

And now on to the Big Question

>If they're so brilliant...why haven't I ever heard them on the radio?

(Try asking Andy Partridge that question - to his face.)

Ahhh so THAT'S the BIG QUESTION, is it? Gee, all this time I've been
wasting, thinking it was "Why does suffering exist?" or "Why should I go on
living?" or "How could they kill all those innocent people?" or "What is six
times nine?"

Answer: CONFORMITY. People - critics, DJs, programmers - like to think they
are "hip", "with it", "in the know". And they don't like admitting that they
dig things which are perceived as "uncool". I have endured howls of derisive
laughter, Bruce, for admitting that I like Genesis, Yes and the Canterbury
bands like Gentle Giant and Soft Machine. I have weathered endless
vituperation because of my devotion to the music of Frank Zappa and Neil
Young. People look down their noses because I dare to wonder why no-one
likes Janis Joplin anymore.

Likewise, I am scorned by the "in crowd" for not liking rap or techno, for
daring to assert that Beastie Boys, Love, The Grateful Dead, Bruce
Springsteen, Nirvana and Pearl Jam are, at best, blindingly average and, at
worst, just a load of old cobblers.

I think I see what you're getting at Herne. As a friend once said to me - I
don't have a problem with people who *honestly*, genuinely like any kind of
music, even if I don't like it. I do have a problem with people in positions
of influence falling into like with whatever is seen to be fashionably
"cool" - even if it really isn't - and putting shit on things they say are
"uncool". People vote with their wallets anyway, to some  extent.

The dangerous part is that the record companies and the mass-media are only
going to get closer and closer and more and more conformist as time goes by
... because they are all going to be one big company soon, if they aren't

What the hell am I talking about?

More Valium please ....



Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:34:10 +0200
From: Johan Ekdahl <>
Subject: WS (AV2) japanese release and more
Message-ID: <>

Assorted notes:

Nishimatu wrote:
>The Japanese release of AV 2 is dated on 17th May.
OK, now I want to hear "Aprilsfool!". No? Oh, well...
Michael (Versaci)! That was real fun! Honest!
Best laugh for weeks, that was!
Off topic: The passing of Ian Dury - Sad news, indeed...
His stick still hits me!
And Jill did it!
>Molly, you are busted.
Oh, yes! Never expect Your C-hills acts to be forgotten! (-:
Off topic (2): How 'bout we meet somewhere in the middle
and agree that Stones Exile would have been better off
as a single LP?
Revolving in my CD-player: Nothing for the moment. I spent the
night between friday and saturday with my oldest "musical
friend" and some others drinking too large amounts
of malt whiskey and playing Kinks, Jethro Tull, David
Sanborn, Little Feat, The Who... We ended up with a non-revolving
CD-player and a slightly revolving room.
The last thing revolving in my player was the latest
16 Horsepower-album.
Currently reading: John le Carre's "The Spy Who Came Of Age"
in swedish translation.


Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 06:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: nross <>
Subject: chewles schmewels
Message-ID: <>

Dude... I think the first bursting gum was Freshen Up.

It was greenish... the center was sickeningly sweet.
It tasted nothing like cum, mind you.

Freshen up. I stand by this answer until proven wrong.
If proven wrong, humbly I'll admit.

XTC? wha?

Nicole's internet music station:


Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 08:33:28 PDT
From: "Ralph Simpson DeMarco" <>
Subject: Colin Count, WOMT & Bubble Erratum
Message-ID: <>


How many songs on the new CD are Colin's? Is it only two again? I find that
albums like Skylarking, where Colin's songs are integral to the theme
instead of just standing apart from Andy's, are stronger albums. Perhaps
that's why TR chose the songs he did for the album. For those of you who
have heard the CD, do Colin's songs stand alone - or do they complement

Also: Thinking about WIMP, I think that once a month we should all send one
post regarding WIMP because it's a great way to share musical suggestions.
Also, I was thinking about what's on my turntable since I have a larger
vinyl collection than CD. I often listen to my XTC vinyl instead of my CDs.
It just sounds different. A lot of the music I have on vinyl is not
available on CD - Harry Nilsson's catalogue on CD is really abridged for
example. Until recently, some Kinks titles were not officially on CD either.
So, perhaps some of us could offer WOMT lists occasionally.

Oooops! I goofed. For the record, my last post was about a product called
Bubbleyum (which I think is not around any more - apparently like Hubba
Bubba). I don't know anything about Hubba Bubba - but I think it was just
another copy of Bubbleyum (the first soft out-of-the-package gum that I know
about). So, you can all rest easy, and know that this error has been



Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:42:39 -0500
From: "Joe Funk" <>
Subject: Careful with that Ax Herne/ Miles Behind
Message-ID: <000f01bf9d7a$f5732c00$7721fea9@jomama68>


I am usually a bit more tolerant, but.....

Herne <> ranted:
>my list of sacred cows that I don't care about or find overrated:
>9.)Syd Barrett era Pink Floyd,  Peter Green era Fleetwood Mac and Peter
>Gabriel era Genesis.

#1: Ask just about any modern Blues/Rock guitarist their list of influences,
and if they don't list Peter Green they are probably lying to ya'!
#2 Peter Gabriel era Genesis overrated?!!  Have you even listened to any of
it?  Listen to "Supper's Ready" or "Cinema Show", and then justify your

>If they're so brilliant...why haven't I ever heard them on the radio?

Yeah, just like we hear such a wide variety of all the great XTC tunes on
the radio.....I guess our boys just aren't that brilliant!  I haven't heard
them often enough on the radio..........

URRRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!   What a bunch of crap!...........
Scott Barnard <> wrote:
>4. Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis. The Glowering One was infinitely better
>when he had 'Trane and the Rhythm Section to kick his ass. This and
>Gilberto/Getz are the worst things to ever happen to Jazz.

I disagree.... Sketches of Spain stands as an exemplar of all that is good
about jazz. It is a model of cultural cross-pollination, innovation and
communication, capturing two of music's most distinctive artists ( Miles
w/Gil Evans ) at the peak of their powers.  Ever heard of Kenny G.?

Joe "The Guaranteed Eternal Sanitarium Man" Funk
"Ah, now then, did you write this the shed?""


Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 22:40:36 -0700
From: Herne <>
Subject: HCU episode #4: Kinks are the Village Green...
Message-ID: <>

I've finally gotten around to exploring the Kinks and I must say that
Village Green Preservation Society is one of the greatest albums I have
ever bought.  Actually I didn't buy it.  It was a birthday gift from my
brother who had been tipped off to it by THE BIG TAKEOVER's Jack Rabid.
I know it's been said before around here but I must say it again.  Read
THE BIG TAKEOVER!  It comes out roughly twice a year and is stuffed to
the gills with cool music recommendations.  His raves about the Kinks
and a Ray Davies interview in the Winter 98/99 issue drew my brother's
attention.  I had heard from the people round here that the Kinks were
worth exploring more deeply and now I see why.

 I can see why many XTC fans...including XTC themselves are into this.
I liked this from the very first play.  After listening to it, I really
don't know why I haven't been listening to it for years.

The odd thing about this reissue is that it has the original mono
version and the US stereo version which is truncated and has different
songs.  Frankly I can't imagine ever not having "Animal Farm" so I'm
glad I got this version of it.  Standouts abound.  Do You Remember
Walter, All of My Friends Were There and Starstruck come to mind.
"Days" seems like a lost classic rock staple...something they forgot to
add to the list after Lola.

To think that for all these years, radio would have us believe that
their only three songs were All Day and All of the Night, You Really Got
Me and Lola.

I recommend it to all those of you who are into XTC and the like.  I'm
looking forward to going through all their other stuff...Arthur is next.

Next episode:  I finally take the plunge and try to fathom another XTC
influence...Captain Beefheart.


Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:30:23 -0700
From: Richard Pedretti-Allen <>
Subject: Re: "Scam Alert" et cetera
Message-ID: <l03130300b50dd58abab6@[]>

I've had some dialogue with "vee tube" and it appears that he got his hands
on a REAL promo as opposed to the BOGUS one sent to me by TVT!


According to vee tube, the "official" promo CD is now out there.  This is
the copy that will ship to radio stations, et cetera.  The CD-R copy that
people like Mitch and *a**i*o* **e**oo* received is the promo sent to
magazines (who need more lead time) and people who have connections on the
"inside", prior to available artwork.

I only pointed out the danger of buying one of the paper label promos
because it would be VERY easy to duplicate.  So just don't get suckered.
The "official" promo obviously would be considerably tougher to faithfully

As everyone knows, Wasp Star does not have Dave Gregory on it.  I have a
feeling that many Chalkhillbillies will blame Wasp Star's simplicity on
being Daveless.  Sorry, to a major degree, that ain't it.  The songs are no
great departure from the original demos and the songs were written before
Dave left.  So my summary is that what is on disc was the original intent,
regardless of who might have been available to play a part (well... there
is that one guitar solo that starts out with... oh, never mind).

As for a review of the CD, would "sort of moronic and thrilling on a really
basic level" be a harsh thing to say?

Richard "I'm guilty, I'm guilty, I'm guilty" Pedretti-Allen

p.s. The quote in the last sentence is Andy Partridge talking about Wasp
Star.  So there.


Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:41:00 -0400
From: "Todd Bernhardt" <>
Subject: What was in my CD player
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Enterworks, Inc.

No, I'm not going to give you a damn list.

Reason #649 why I love my wife:
I came home from work the other day, and popped open the CD player to
put a disc in -- that's right, it plays *one* CD at a time, and I don't
use the damn remote, either -- and found myself looking at _Homespun._

I closed the tray
Then I hit play
She didn't even mind hearing it twice that day

Lucky, ain't I?
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