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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 51

                  Tuesday, 28 March 2000

Today's Topics:

                      What's On.....
                         ian dury
                      Digging it up
                        the Kinks
               Re: What's in my CD player?
                 What's in my CD player?
                 Amiee Mann at the Oscars
                   AV1 in the air again
     Ween mentions XTC in new article - I'm In Heaven
                    The day I met Andy
                 What a newbie listens to
                       Musical Bum
                   XTC Listening Party
               Making Plans For Nigel cover
       residents/my cd player/av2 anticipation/etc.
                        AV2 & PBP


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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:15:43 +0100
From: "Adrian Ransome" <>
Subject: What's On.....
Message-ID: <007701bf9820$f17f7220$c5927ed4@atidy> in-car entertainment system.......
Mogwai- EP
Mogwai- Young Team
Mogwai- CODY
Crowded House- Afterglow
Aimee Mann- I'm With (Dave Gregory?) Stupid
Teenage Fanclub- Bandwagonesque
..but it's a bugger to drive & change tapes at the same time!

By the way, are there two Doms or one with two addresses?

Adrian "Blue Chemotherapy Wig" Ransome


Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:15:45 +0100
From: "chris browning" <>
Subject: ian dury
Message-ID: <000301bf982b$80a6e460$536e883e@pbncomputer>

very off topic, but still...

a moment's tribute to the very very great ian dury who has finally lost his
battle against cancer and polio. what a man. i shall miss him deeply. am
listening to "new boots and panties" in memoriam.

very sad



Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:27:42 -0800
From: Ed Kedzierski <>
Subject: Digging it up
Message-ID: <>

In 6-49, Mr. Sherwood said:
"Somebody mentioned a French Trombone a minute ago: Can you people NEVER LET
Obviously, I probably shouldn't ask, but I'm going to anyway. What the hell
was this (apparently dreaded) "French Trombone" thread? I've seen this pop
up a few times, sometimes implying an old thread that apparently went way
out of control. If you don't want to go into it, or are afraid that talking
about it will drag it out of the grave, crawling with maggots and eager to
eat our brains, can someone at least point me to the general era that it can
be found in the digest back issues? (I managed to find a couple of the
oft-mentioned "Dear God Wars" on my own, but don't feel like another random
fishing trip).
Morbidly curious,
Ed K.


Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:40:12 -0800
From: Ed Kedzierski <>
Subject: the Kinks
Message-ID: <>

In 6-48, Will wrote:
"Having known nothing from the Kinks except You Really Got Me, Lola,
Come Dancing, and the other big singles, I heartily, heartily, OH SO
HEARTILY have five Kinks albums to recommend, which I've dived into
over the past three months with almost uninterrupted relish, every XTC
fan will enjoy getting Kinktified, methinks:

Will's Must Owns By The Kinks

1. Something Else
2. The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society
3. Arthur or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire
4. Part 1 Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround
5. Muswell Hillbillies"

To which I say: congratulations on one of the great musical discoveries that
one can make. Having come from somewhat the opposite direction (my
Kinks-mania preceded my being an XTC freak), I can't see loving one group
without also loving the other (it was a review that made Kinks comparisons
that inspired me to buy Black Sea many years ago...). I'd personally
probably replace "Lola" with "Face to Face" ("Lola" is oddly enough one of
the Kinks Klassic albums that I never quite got fully behind, though
"Apeman" is as much a classic as the hit in the title) but to each his own.
As far as later stuff goes, nothing is really entirely without at least one
song of merit (or decent Ray lyrics if the musical side doesn't quite do it
for you), but you might want to test some of it on used vinyl before you
spend a lot of money on the 70s stuff (provided you've done the right thing
and kept your turntable). A lot of the stuff in the 70s onward suffers from
too much of a "Regular Rock" sound, which I, probably unjustly, tended to
blame on Dave (Ray could do no wrong...). Your safest bet is probably to
proceed gingerly ahead in chronological order. The "Preservation" rock opera
set is actually not that bad if you've got the patience for the forced
continuity songs (apparently when they toured for those albums, they
actually expanded to a full theatrical company with characters, costumes,
etc.- that horde of people you see on the cover of part 1 is actually "the
Kinks" as configured at the time). "UK Jive" from the late 80s (early 90s? -
I'm at work & not near my records) was a distinct improvement over the stuff
right before it, though still not in the league of their classic stuff
(avoid "the Road" and the vile "Rock n' Roll Cities" - Dave's worst song -
at all costs). As far as stuff before this period/list of albums, I'd
recommend a compilation covering the essentials (See My Friends, I'm Not
Like Everybody Else, Dedicated Follower, etc.) rather than the albums
(beware of British invasion R&B cover filler).

Ed K.


Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:59:41 -0500
From: "Brian" <>
Subject: Re: What's in my CD player?
Message-ID: <007601bf98f8$8fb6daa0$28e59cd1@Brian>


My frequently-listened-to CD list, for what it's worth:

Owsley - I've seen this discussed here, so maybe it's not news... but it is
Leftfield - 'Leftism'
Juan Carlos Esquivel - 'Space Age Bachelor Pad Music' - straight from the
age of stereo hi-fi... awesome!
The Cardigans - 'First Band On The Moon' - these folks sure do know how to
write hooks.
XTC - 'Black Sea' - yep, this one's been hitting the beam again, and it's
still one of the best.
XTC - 'AV1' - oh, of course!
They Might Be Giants - 'Apollo 18' - perrenial fave.
LVX NOVA - Joe Satriani meets planetaium music
'The Inevitable' Squirrel Nut Zippers - too much fun!
Rise Robots Rise - the first one, I believe, with the black, white & red
cover with figures. Very interesting stuff.
Keoki - 'Ego Trip' - next best thing to clubbing...

-Brian Matthews


Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:42:03 +0000
From: Jayne Myrone <>
Subject: What's in my CD player?
Message-ID: <>

Hi everyone - decided to stop lurking & let you know what's currently
being played here:

Grant Lee Buffalo: Mighty Joe Moon & Jubilee
Placebo: Placebo & Without You I'm Nothing (one of the very few good
things about MTV
for me is the "Vertebrae" station ident. that uses "Nancy Boy")
James: Laid
Julian Cope: Floored Genius
David Byrne: Uh-Oh
Janacek: Sinfonetta
XTC: Nonsuch

well nothing more to add
waiting impatiently for AVII

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always shall.
Mark Gertler


Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:37:49 -0600
From: "Robert Kulick" <>
Subject: Amiee Mann at the Oscars
Message-ID: <>

Hi Chaulkies...

Slightly off topic, but given the frequency of Dave Grgeory on her
disks, I wondered what anyone thought of Aimee Mann's performance on the
Academy Awards last night....

Personally I have always dug her music since the Til Tuesday days and
in fact almost bought the Melrose Place soundtrack (never found it
however) for her and Letters to Cleo. I know Dave Gregory performed on
"I should have known", and was sort of wondering if it could have been
him playing guitar alongside Aimee, who was just a little too close to
the microphone and a little too overwhelmed, I thought, by Phil,
Sarah/Randy, Gloria and good ole Robin Williams (Blame Canada indeed!).

Anyways, I welcome comments as those of us who don't have generous
Aunties sit on our hands and await the Wasp Star becoming visible on the



Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:47:31 EST
Subject: AV1 in the air again
Message-ID: <>

It's happened to me too: after a good 2-3-4 months with little or no
interest in AV!, suddenly spring is bursting out and I can't get
enough of it-- River of Orchids & Co. must be seasonally activated,
because it is in my player every day, and I'm crankin' it for the
world to enjoy...

Preservation 1&2 -- thanks, Mr. Diamond, I'll check 'em out...

By the way, the remastered version of Village Green has "Days" and
"Autumn Almanac," which within the last two years Andy said was "the
greatest song ever," but I've never heard it because it was only a
single! Looks like I'll be shelling out $15 for a new copy of Village
Green. Works out nicely, my current one has a scratch anyway and it's
all mono (in a bad way), looking forward to hearing the remastered,
stereo mix. or perhaps not, depending on what they did to it...

Oh, AV2, hasten thyself to me...



Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:23:35 PST
From: "Edward Sizzorhends" <>
Subject: Ween mentions XTC in new article - I'm In Heaven
Message-ID: <>

Hey Chalksters,

Any XTC/Ween fans should be interested in this article in the latest
Billboard Magazine.

In it, Aaron Freeman (aka Gene Ween), talks about their new single being
released March 21 from the release of "White Pepper" due May 2nd.  The
section reads as follows:

*****"Perhaps the biggest suprise on "White Pepper" is the first
single,"Even If You Don't," an up-tempo, piano-driven ballad that Freeman
likens to XTC. Elektra has high hopes for the track which wowed unsuspecting
Radio programmers during a recent industry listening session."******

I get really excited when a band I like compliments or steals (both good in
my book)from another band I like.

Maybe this will do well and radio will become more receptive to the REAL
THING when Wasp Star is released.

By the way, anyone not too familiar with WEEN, that have written them off as
just a goof-off band, could not be further from the truth. These guys make
excellent music and are very big fans of music themselves.

It kinda reminds me of how a lot of people just thought Frank Zappa was a
weirdo, when in reality, he was a weirdo-genius.:-}

But anyway, Ween tipping their hat to XTC....I'm living in good times,

Best wishes,
The Skylar King


Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:47:27 -0600
From: "Paul Averitt" <>
Subject: The day I met Andy
Message-ID: <007201bf9847$060bcd80$17292cd1@louie>

I'm new to the list, and I've lurked long enough! Here's the deal...
I was in England recording a new album with one of my groups (The Volares).
We had Martin Newell in on the 13th of this month to do a lead vocal, some
backing vox and some guitars. We had recorded a cover of Before The
Hurricane for a Newell tribute CD that's coming out soon, and we suprised
him with it at the end of the session (he loved it!). "You MUST send this to
Andy", he said. Martin is a great guy and very talented.
The next day was our only day off, and we wound up driving up to
Henley-On-Thames, then Oxford, then up to Uxbridge (saw the ES horse!), and,
since we were so close, decided to drive on in to Swindon. We had drinks at
a pub, and decided to find Andy's house. We knew the address (we've been
distant associates with him for some time), and now was the chance to make
We got to the house, and my associate Bucks turns to me and says, "Now Paul,
you KNOW I'm gonna knock!" So, we knocked, and there's Andy Partridge, in
the flesh, asking us what we were doing there! We explained who we were, and
that we didn't want to bother him, and he said, "Well, I'm just finishing up
this book review. Come in."
... and I'm thinking, "COME IN???!!!???!!! What the HELL?!?!"
He shows us the house, pours us some wine, and says "Shame your timing isn't
better. Three days from now I could've given you an advance copy of the new
album. But I have a CD proof of it, if you'd like to hear it."
We went over which tracks I'd heard the demos for and not, and he sat us
down in his front room.
Now, get this. Usually when a new XTC album comes out, I lock the door, put
the phone off the hook, pour a cold drink, pull out the lyric book, settle
in front of the sound system, and have what I always considered a PERFECT
first listen to the new album of my obsession.
Andy Partridge has tarnished that experience forever!
Imagine sitting in Andy's house, on Andy's couch, listening to the new XTC
It was the best!
Afterward we sat and talked about what we were doing, their label problems
(Virgin still sucks), and The Beatles. After a while, Andy said "Are you
guys hungry?"
So, we walked round the corner to this great Chinese place called Connie's
(Connie herself is a sweet lady. Visit her when you can.) We had a great
meal and talked about everything! We got on great! He is very disarming and
cordial, and seemed genuinely interested in what we do, and was humble yet
proud at the same time of the new music! We made a new friend!
Oh, did I mention we met his daughter Holly? She's very sweet.
Anyway, we went back to his house, and he played us all sorts of cool stuff.
He played us the Yazbek albums and showed us the tin soldier collection and
I got to strum on his Martin acoustic! It still has a piece of paper taped
to it with the songs for the medleys for the radio tour on it!
The house is modest... he is no rich rock star! But he has the place decked
out with lots of lovely art and artifacts. He is a lovely guy. And Funny!!!!
When we left, he made us promise to send him the Newell cover. We thanked
him and floated all the way back to London!
That was on the 14th. I was back in Texas on the 16th, and I must say it's
mindbending to think that I really made it to Swindon and had an audience
with the great man himself!
Thanks for listening.
Paul Averitt

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Visit the doublepluspop website at
and the Volares website, found at
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:20:34 EST
From: "J. Randles" <>
Subject: What a newbie listens to
Message-ID: <>

Hi all,

just wanted to introduce myself to the list- just joined last week sometime.
I'm also kinda new to XTC. I guess that means I don't have all their albums
or all the lyrics to their songs memorized- yet. *g*

Do you want to know the XTC albums I have or don't you? If you don't, sorry.
I'll list anyways. *clears throat* Drums and Wires, White Music, Black Sea,
The Big Express, Skylarking, Oranges and Lemons, Nonsuch, and AV1. so I
don't have too many more to go.

I'm anxiously awaiting the new release in May- have been listening to AV1 a
whole lot since I got it, and can only imagine what the new one will be. :)

And in reply to the question:

>>What are all you freaks listenin' to?

here goes:

Beatles- Live at the BBC, White Album
George Harrison- Dark Horse, Extra Texture, Somewhere in England
Beck- One Foot in the Grave, Odelay, Mutations, Mellow Gold
Paul McCartney- Tug of War
XTC- AV1, Big Express, Drums and Wires
Various Artists- Millennium Hip-Hop Party
Splinter- Harder to Live

I guess you can see I'm a definite Beatles and solo Beatles fan. Certainly,
there's never a time when I'm not listening to George somewhere- in my car
or apartment. :)

So that's about it, I guess. Nice to meet you all and hope I'll be able to,
if not participate in intelligent discussion here, at least learn and stand
quietly by until the part of my brain not filled up with Beatles info is
filled up with XTC info- *L*



Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:02:18 -0800
From: Ed Kedzierski <>
Subject: Musical Bum
Message-ID: <>

In 6-49, the Skylar King touched on an issue that has been stuck in my craw
for a long time. In a little note leading up to his list of recently-in-play
favourites, he said:
"(and note when I say Albums - I don't mean vinyl - I mean it as a
of recordings presented as a whole)
This has probably been said before (or perhaps argued about; I've read a lot
of back issues from before my time but haven't come across anything relating
to this) and is somewhat off-topic, but it's bugged me for quite a while,
and it's something I usually jump on (in regular face to face conversation)
when the topic comes up, so here goes:
Yes! An "album" is a collection of songs or pieces of music that are
packaged together! An "album" can appear in a number of FORMATS, such as
"VINYL LP" (what most people are thinking of when they think they're being
clever correcting you with "don't you mean CD?"), CD, Cassette, a box of
goddamn Edison cylinders, or a directory of sound files on a hard drive or
network somewhere for that matter. It just pisses me off no end to see those
damnable ads where the old guy says "album" to be snottily corrected to
"CD". If anyone tries this on you, just scream "AN ALBUM IS AN ALBUM IS AN
ALBUM", DAMN YOU!!" then grab the tip of their nose between your teeth and
refuse to let go until they admit that you're right. (I haven't actually
tried this myself; let me know how it works out. ;-) )

XTC Content: Can't wait for the new ALBUM. I've got a friend in Japan who
I'm asking to keep an eye open when the ALBUM comes out early there (as well
as the Japanese version of the Homespun ALBUM). I'm now totally fine with
the new ALBUM title. AV1 was a great ALBUM, wasn't it?

Albumly yours,
Ed K.


Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:41:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Molly Fanton <>
Subject: XTC Listening Party
Message-ID: <>

I just wanted to remind people about this week's XTC Listening Party.
This week it's for, "The Big Express", and I'm having it in the room
called, xtclisteningparty.  For more details go to:  I hope
to see you all there this Wednesday at 10pm EST. :)


Molly's Pages


Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:09:10 EST
Subject: Making Plans For Nigel cover
Message-ID: <>

I didn't see this one in the FAQ...

I was kicking around Napster last night and did a search on Nigel and
came back with a cover version by a band called Pitchshifter. A little
further research found their web page where you can download the mp3.

It's heavy.

Here's the link...



Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:43:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: residents/my cd player/av2 anticipation/etc.
Message-ID: <>

responding to various things read here:

The XTC are the Residents idea:
Sorry, I like my friend's theory better (that The
Residents are Van Halen)
Someone wrote about how awful the Rez's Wormwood tour
Coulden't agree more! Caught it here in Chicago. It
was boring, pointless, and sad, especially considering
how great Cube E and the 13th Anniversaty tours were.
What's in my cd player? I have a 5-disc changer. In it
now are:
1.  Brahms piano Quartets (my partner put this one in)
2.  Talking Heads-Remain in Light (still sounds fresh
and good)
3. The Harry Partch Collection Vol. 2 (one of my
4.  Joni Mitchell-a bootleg cdr of a live acoustic gig
from 1995., Great! (e-mail me if you want to trade for
a copy of it)
5.  John Oswald-Plunderphonics cd (traded for this
too. also Great)

Needless to say, I don't listen to it on shuffle!
AV2 anticipation:
While I'm starting to sweat in anticipation, I will
say that I was much more excited about AV1. Maybe as
the release date draws closer I'll get worked up more.
Worked up about other things at the moment (I'm in the
running for a great new job, should find out next

Last year was a good one for music, with XTC, and Tom
Waits to look forward to. We've got XTC again this
year, who else? I hear rumors of Kate Bush, Suzanne
Vega and k.d.lang, artists who'd have me running
full-tilt towards the nearest record store on release

Speaking of new music, has anyone heard the new Patti
Smith and Joni Mitchell cds? The NY Times was gushing
big time about the new Joni a few weeks ago, comparing
it to Billy Holiday's Lady in Satin
One last thing,: New stuff on my trade list, check it
It was Chalkhillers who got me started as a tape
trader, and all my best trades are from people on this
list, so I welcome trades from you.


Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:54:49 +0100
From: Belinda Blanchard <>
Subject: Namecalling
Message-ID: <>

Hey gang

I'm about ten lists behind but just started reading
about the reactions to the name Wasp Star.

The Italian for Wasp is VESPA hence the name of those
nasty little annoying scooters that go
"Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz beeeeeeeeeep" all the time and
take up all the spaces in the proper MOTORCYCLE parks
in London, the Vespas being mostly ridden by kids who
don't train properly and give the rest of us two
wheeling properly trained fraternity a bad name.

Talking of bad names - um - What was my question
related to that? I've forgotten now. Damn.



Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:09:08 -0800
From: "Russ Reynolds" <>
Subject: AV2 & PBP
Message-ID: <>

I just got my advance copy of AV2 today (is this old news already? I haven't
read a digest in some time. That's my wife's domain).  1 listen, first
impression: not impressed, seems much weaker overall than AV1.  Only 1
listen thus far, however.  A couple of the songs that I thought were weak on
the demos actually come off better on the CD.

Also got to spend a few hours in Pac Bell Park today.  1 trip, first
impression: it's where I want my ashes scattered.

Let's rank today's finds:

1. Pac Bell Park  (A+)
2. Apple Venus 2 (C+)

I reserve the right to re-evaluate both at the all star break, however.

-russ (wife's name withheld)


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