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Subject: Chalkhills Digest #6-5

          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 5

                 Monday, 10 January 2000

Today's Topics:

                    Re: Force Fed Cake
                        melt them!
                     I know! I know!
                        number 20
            A literary matter (no XTC content)
               Replies and recommendations
           Meccanic Dancing and band chemistry
                     Re: Best of 1999
                Re: German music question
                 Re: School Guide to XTC
                        O&L drums
                       Bill Nelson
            Something Fishy Or A Red Herring?
               Chalk-music for Chalk-people
                     paying attention
                  Grand XTC Get-Together


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Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:53:32 -0800 (PST)
From: pancho artecona <>
Subject: Re: Force Fed Cake

OK, I'll bite
Kevin Diamond says:

"is it just me, or does it feel like the public has
worse taste in music than in any other art medium?
Somehow good movies always seem to get an audiance
(although apparently Man On the Moon is doing
horribly) and good authors like Kurt Vonnegut, Tom
Robbins, Stephen King, etc...  are liked by lots of
people. But with music, there's so many people who
just buy into mechanically created, formulated, pre
meditated, uhhhhh...
something-else-that-ends-in-ated music... why is

Kevin Diamond

Oh Kevin, your age finally shows. The folly of youth
indeed. All I can say is that one man's pap is another
man's feast. Some classical music lovers an highbrows
probaly consider XTC crass and 'too popular'. And I
can assure you that there are many who think of Tom
Robbins and Stephen King as horrible 'pop' literature
not worth the paper it is printed on, or at least
quite subpar and sophomoric.....go sink your teeth
into Joyce or Pynchon or Faulkner or whatever. And
many others feel that most good films miss public
adulation by a longshot (look at how 'Felicia's Line'
is doing for example)
And what exactly is 'the public'. Is it that 'great
other' that I continually strive to detach from?

Whatever, I really like your posts and my intent is
only to throw a little wrench in the works. If you are
young and like XTC you are OK by me! I personally am
filled with paradoxes and dualisms and can appreciate
the high and the low. Just last night I went from
watching ER to reading Italo Calvino, so I am not
trying to speak from an ivory tower or
anything....plenty of assholes in academia mind you.
As I have grown older I have realized that life is
difficult and complicated and will never fit into easy
boxes. My only absolute is that there are no
absolutes, and even that I question.

Take care and sorry for the rant.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:05:46 -1000
From: "Jim Smart" <>
Organization: ksbe
Subject: melt them!

I just want to quote this here, because it's exactly what I was

>Thank heavens George is alright.  One thought that I had was that if it had
>been in America, the nutter would have had a gun and George would not be
>with us anymore.
>In this country at least nut-cases can't get hold of a gun so easily!!

Right on, David! Why can't I get people to see that point in my own



Message-ID: <005e01bf5972$526a3860$ce89b3d1@oemcomputer>
From: "Aaron Pastula" <>
Subject: I know! I know!
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:50:08 -0800

>To all those list lovers out there, the corporate alternative radio
>station in Seattle, 107.7 "The End", did a top 1077 list over the
>Like you can't guess what was #1 in Seattle...

"These Dreams" by Heart!!! Right?!!


Message-ID: <000001bf598e$3d726b00$31b59fce@default>
From: "Wes Hanks" <>
Subject: number 20
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:09:26 -0800

Oh, by the by...

The January 2000 issue of Uncut lists AV1 at #20 of their top 70 albums of

"Seven years on, free from Virgin, exit Dave Gregory, enter strings. A
magnificent realization of of the orch-pop tendencies hinted at on 1992's
Nonsuch and a gratifying indication that Andy Partridge's peculiar genius
remained undiminished by business, marital and health difficulties. Volume
2, the noisy guitar album, is due in spring 2000."

As a public service and debate fodder, here's their list...

1 Flaming Lips - Soft Bulletin
2 Shack - HMS Fable
3 Death in Vegas - The Contino Sessions
4 Beck - Midnight Vultures
5 Richard Thompson - Mock Tudor
6 Wilco - Summerteeth
7 Shelby Lynne - I Am Shelby Lynne
8 Basement Jaxx - Remedy
9 Bonnie 'Prince' Billy - I See A Darkness
10 Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros - Rock Art and the X-ray Style
11 The Chemical Brothers - Surrender
12 Macy Gray - Oh How Life Is
13 Mark Mulcahy - Fathering
14 TLC - Fanmail
 15 Smog - Knock Knock
16 The All Seeing I - Pickeled Eggs and Sherbert
17 New Radicals - Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too
18 Underworld - Beaucoup Fish
19 The Wondermints - Bali
20 XTC - AV1
21 Tom Waits - Mule Variations
22 Kate Rusby - Sleepless
23 Wheat - Hope and Adams
24 Super Furry Animals - Guerrilla
25 Matthew Sweet - In Reverse
26 Orbital - Middle of Nowhere
27 The Willard Grant Conspiracy - Mojave
28 Jim O'Rourke - Eureka
29 The High Llamas - Smowbug
30 Counting Crows - This Desert Life
31 Pavement - Terror Twilight
32 ODB - ***** Please
33 Freakwater - End Time
34 Beth Orton - Central Reservation
35 Leftfield - Rhythm and Stealth
36 Stereolab - Cobra and Phases Group Play Voltage In The Milky Night
37 The Beta Band - The Beta Band
38 Missy Elliott - Da Real World
39 Dwight Twilley - Tulsa
40 Iggy Pop - Avenue B
41 Ben Folds Five - The Biography of Reinhold Messner
42 Atari Teenage Riot - 60 Second Wipeout
43 Fountains of Wayne - Utopia Parkway
44 Mouse on Mars - Niun Niggung
45 David Bowie - Hours
46 To Tocco Rot - The Amateur View
47 Dot Allison - Afterglow
48 Plone - For Beginner Piano
49 Olivia Tremor Control - Black Foliage
50 Paul Westerberg - Suicaine Gratification
51 Kevin Rowland - My Beauty
52 Nightmares In Wax - Carboot Soul
53 Luna - The Days of Our Nights
54 Add N to X - Avant Hard
55 Lilac Time - Looking For A Day In The Night
56 Haig/MacKenzie - Memory Palace
57 Owsley - Owsley
58 East River Pipe - The Gasoline Age
59 Ben Christophers - My Beautiful Demon
60 Trashmonk - Trashmonk
61 Bows - Blush
62 Royal Trux - Veterans of Disorder
63 Alex Gopher - You, My Baby & I
64 The Make-Up - Save Yourself
65 Cousteau -Cousteau
66 Position Normal - Stop Your Nonsense
67 Scritti-Politti - Anomie & Bonhomie
68 Gorky's Zygotic Mynci - Spanish Dance Troup
69 Dave Alvin - Blackjack David
70 Mu-Ziq - Royal Astronomy

Wes Hanks

PS,  R.I.P. Don Martin, poit!


Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:49:08 +0100 (MET)
From: rappard <>
Subject: A literary matter (no XTC content)
Message-ID: <>

Kevin ( wrote:

> good authors like Kurt Vonnegut, Tom Robbins, Stephen King, etc... are
> liked by lots of people. But with music, there's so many people who just
> buy into mechanically created, formulated, pre meditated, uhhhhh...
> something-else-that-ends-in-ated music... why is that?
What's Stephen King doing in this list? He writes absolute trex, junk,
crap, garbage, trash, bilge, drivel, twaddle - "mechanically created"
comes pretty close, actually. As Truman Capote said of Jack Kerouac:
"That's not writing, that's typing."



Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 08:14:39 -0500
From: Todd and Jennifer Bernhardt <>
Subject: Replies and recommendations


Kristi said

> I believe it is pronounced none-such. In "Chalkhills and Children", it's
> Andy who sings "some none-such (sp) net holds me aloft", and he pronounces
> it just like that.

Andy pronounces it "non," not "none." That settles it, non?

Congrats to Rob, who revealed and asked:

> I'm getting married on the 22nd.... any ideas on XTC "marriage songs"? I've
> got a few clues, but would like some input. And yes, I exposed my fiancee to
> XTC and she really digs 'em.

Well, you've obviously got impeccable taste in bands and women, so here's
my recommendation: Wrapped in Grey. When I got married, it was our first
dance -- wonderful to waltz to, and the lyrics are beautifully appropriate
and hopeful. I also printed the lyrics on the back cover of our program
(with proper credit to the writer, natch).

Carrie said:

> besides, if a bunch of teenyboppers decided xtc rocks in that way, i'd
> shudder my way to an early grave and turn in my guitar at the national center
> for disillusioned musicians.

While I, on the other hand, would cheer the band's prosperity, knowing that
they'd use the money and success to fund future efforts. I trust them to be
true to their art.

Garret asked:

> I was listening to O+L last night and I was wondering is the drums on the
> album were done by a drum machine or a person.  Anyone know?

A person -- Pat Mastellotto, to be exact. That's not to say that they
didn't use a lot of technology, but that's Pat doing the
banging/triggering/etc. He's now part of the new King Crimson "double duo."
(In Fripp logic, is XTC a "double single"? Or a "single double"?)

Finally, Harrison Sherwood recently did me the favor of pointing me in the
direction of a couple of our own Duncan Watt's toones, and so I'm pointing
the list there. Check out:

Good stuff.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 07:22:38 -0800
From: awa <>
Subject: Meccanic Dancing and band chemistry

Steve Oleson wrote on Sunday, 2 January 2000:

> I think that Andy saved his life, and XTC, by getting out of the tour bus,
> and returning to Swindon. By doing so, he avoided much of the mind-bending,
> soul-destroying, influences that suck the life out of artists: the
> adulation/contempt rollercoaster of the press, the milieu of deceit and
> distrust that comes when people become famous, not to mention the lack of
> good food and rest that is essential to "feed the machine".
> How many times have we seen artists lose their focus, and become parodies of
> themselves? Thank Andy for having the wisdom to avoid the trap, and thank
> his fans for having the patience and understanding to stick with him through
> it all.

This is so true, especially in this age when very recently Black
Sabbath, The Who, Kiss and Sex Pistols have toured.

It's just that the first era, White Music-Black Sea, is XTC as a band in
so many ways.  Maybe it's because that when Andy was thinking in terms
of XTC as an actual band which plays the songs live, there was more
actual BAND chemistry in the performances of the songs.

When I listen to Meccanic Dancing now, it just sounds so exotic.  There
is no band that sounds that at ease with themselves that I can think of.

That song always reminds me of the earliest extreme pleasure emotions--
like being a little kid high on Hawaiin Punch causing trouble with my
friends, first time drunk and/or high, first kiss/sexual experience.
That's why Colin's map of Swindon in Go2's colorful insert is so
important to those songs:  That whole second album is very 'firsts'
oriented.  They may not have been seasoned or wise but I thought of XTC
as the best band in the world at that point.

Now, I consider XTC to be among the best song writers and recording
artists in the (Western) World.



Message-Id: <>
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:45:37 -0500
From: Pete <>
Subject: Re: Best of 1999

Know what I think is the best album (that I've heard ayways) of 1999 is?
KORN's "Issues". Really!


Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:52:24 -0800 (PST)
From: relph (John Relph)
Message-Id: <>
Subject: Re: German music question

james isaacs <> asked:
>I read in "Song STories" that some member of XTC worked with the
>German music superstar, Herbert Groenermeyer, between Nonsuch and AV1.
>Does anyone know who it was, what they did, and if it was released?

Andy Partridge worked on an English translation of Herbert
Groenemeyer's album "Chaos".  That version of the album was released
in the UK in 1996.  Visit for more

	-- John


Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:55:27 -0800 (PST)
From: relph (John Relph)
Message-Id: <>
Subject: Re: School Guide to XTC

"Simmons, Jonathan S." <> asked:
>A few digests ago someone made reference to an impending book/CD release
>called "A School Guide to XTC."
>Can anyone out there confirm, deny, or offer further (relevant) speculation
>about this?

This does exist.  There is currently a copy up for auction on eBay:

I don't have many details, but it is listed as a "sonic book", which I
think means it's a book which is actually a CD-ROM.  Text in English
and Italian, so maybe it's an Italian "official bootleg".  The tracks
are pre-XTC (Starpark, Helium Kidz).

	-- John


Message-Id: <>
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 14:58:20 -0500
Subject: O&L drums

>I was listening to O+L last night and I was wondering is the drums on the
>album were done by a drum machine or a person.  Anyone know?

Pat Mastelotto (of Mister Mister fame, now with King Crimson) played the
drums on O&L; he used a mix of a traditional drum kit, samples, and
electronic drums. I think that Pat plays nearly all electronic percussion (a
"Roland v-drums" kit) nowadays in Crimson. I prefer acoustic percussion,
myself, but the occasional electronic stuff isn't bad (particularly on "Poor
Skeleton Steps Out").



Message-ID: <>
From: "Brian Young" <>
Subject: Bill Nelson
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:18:41 EST

Hello fellow Chalkies,

I recently had the good fortune to acquire a live Bill Nelson show from a
place called Keystone in Palo Alto, California in '80 or '81. Evidently it
was broadcast on the radio.  I've seen Bill N. mentioned on this list
before, so I thought someone might know something more about this show.  The
songs were:

Sleep Cycle
Boom year ahead
Don't touch me, I'm electric
Brand New World
Rooms with brittle views
A kind of loving
Furniture Music
Do you dream in colour?
Eros arriving
Youth of nation on fire
Out of touch
Decline and fall
Stay young

Anyone who knows about this show, please email me off list. Sorry for the
waste of bandwidth.

This tape reminded me of how much Bill Nelson's group Red Noise sounded like
early XTC.  Was he really influenced by our boys? Even though at that point
he was several albums into a career?




From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:29:42 +0100
Subject: Something Fishy Or A Red Herring?
Message-Id: <>

Dear Chalkers,

> As for Hogarth, XTC fans might be aware of Dave Gregory's fretwork on
> his solo album a few years back. Haven't heard the album yet,

perhaps you should, certainly if you like Marillion. it's quite
enjoyable and a bit experimental, not your usual run-of-the-mill has-
been rock schlock.

And, needless to say, DG's guitar parts are excellent and well worth
buying the cd for.
Artist: h. (aka Steve Hogarth)
Album: Ice Cream Genius

More info can be found in the "Others" section of the Dave Gregory
discography at

Perhaps this is also a good time to remind you all that a new Pick of
the Month - Miss January 2000 - can be seen on the Guitargonauts
site since January 1st. And there's more to come "real soon"...

Mark Strijbos


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:19:03 EST
Subject: Chalk-music for Chalk-people

Hiya Kids:

All the talk about the Sugarplastic a few months ago prompted me to
dig out my copy of Bang The Earth Is Round, what a wonderfully goofy
album.  If anyone doubts their fascination with around
for thier website, it has a blurb on the main page regarding an April
fools joke they ran which stated their new drummer to be Terry

Anybody got copies of the earlier Sugarplastic release?  I'd love to
hear it.

Noticed a few folks posting their fave films of ' I the
only person left cold by The Insider?  C'mon....the acting was great,
but the film moved SO slowly.  I found myself constantly anticipating
the great scene to come, but it never did.  Hmmmm, trying to recall
the last time I enjoyed a movie with Al Pacino in it.

Anyone get into the Sopranos last year?

If you're looking for rare XTC, I've probably got it:



Message-Id: <>
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 16:19:21 -0800
From: Bob Estus <>
Subject: paying attention


Can anyone else here confess of an XTC induced absent mindedness?

I seem to have a reoccurring problem. When ever I'm adrift in my car,
mostly when I'm not on my well worn rut between the office and home, I sail
past my exits. This can cause U-turn nightmares that can add 5 nautical
miles onto a journey or lateness on top of retardiness. In an extreme case
I flew all the way to work before I received a nagging kick in the butt
from a little boy, in the kiddie-car-seat behind me, who was supposed to be
dropped off at his Grandma's house. Embarrassing to say the least! When
ever I suffer one of these collapsed attention spans I poll myself as to
what I could have been so distracted by (News: Holly Victoria Partridge to
supply additional vocals for "Playground" on Apple Venus Volume 2).
Usually, 9 out of 10 times, it's something Xtc related. Either I'm lost in
the music pouring out the speakers and grill of my automobile or dreaming
about future releases. It's especially distracting to be trapped between
Two Venuses like this, wouldn't you say? While I'm off rebuilding my bridge
I caution lack minded people not to pilot a vessel while similarly

must focus,

Excuse me please...
Would you tell me how to get to the Soviet


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:30:07 +0100
From: "HowTired" <>
Subject: Homespun

With some surprise I realize that nobody has pointed out yet the utter
inutility of the "homespun" CD.
I bought it with some expectations, having liked so much AV1, but it ended
up as a big disappointment. The songs are mostly identical to the finished
versions (excluding Colin's songs and some very small bits here and there),
and the most interesting part of the album are by far Andy and Colin's notes
on their songs on the accompanying booklet. There was no need at all to
publish an album for that.

Well, I don't see any artistic intent in "homespun". Although the songs are
still beautiful, I think there was no need for an album like this: I'd still
rather listen to them on AV1. And you don't *hear* the work that has been
performed on each song: you just *read* it on the booklet.
I can very well see the economical motivations, though. They must know XTC
fans are very loyal and willing to buy almost anything after so many years
of absence. As someone has already noted, costs for this CD are almost zero,
and although the CD was released at a budget price, it remains a mere
commercial operation.

And please, don't even try to compare this to the Beatles' Anthology: those
songs were long expected, and time put a fascination on them by the time of
their publication. Imagine if the Beatles had published the sessions of "Sgt
Pepper's" in 1967. Sounds absurd, huh ?
Eveybody could have said that they had turned into shit 5 years before their
time. :(



Message-ID: <004601bf5ac6$4d25a380$2690bc3e@debraedm>
From: "Debra Edmonds" <>
Subject: Grand XTC Get-Together
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:22:51 -0000

Hi Chalkies

A few digests back, Mark Strijbos mentioned having a grand get-together
here in Swindon sometime in the Summer months to celebrate 25 years of XTC.
Well, I think that would be a really great idea, and I am certainly willing
to help him organise it.  I am quite happy to do the tour of Swindon for
you all.

If any of you are interested, please let Mark know at

Also, I promised to check-out Andy's Christmas decorations for you all,
didn't I.  Well, he had a Christmas wreath hanging on the left hand side of
his front room wall, a Christmas tree in the back centre of the same room,
and hung around the ceiling were big green bushy garlands, which looked
really nice.  (Mind you, I only drove past a couple of times in the
daylight, so couldn't see in properly, so I wasn't able to get exact
details - like what colour the tree lights were, etc - sorry!!)

If you have a few minutes to spare, go to and
check-out Dave's latest interview that appeared in yesterdays Swindon
Evening Advertiser (Saturday 8th January) - Mark and I get a mention!!

Maybe I'll see you at the party then??

Bye for now.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 21:42:42 -0500
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <>
Subject: Braggphine


Isn't "We're All Light" a great song?  I think so.  Lately I've been
listening to a lot of Dukes, too, and I'm more and more amazed with
Andy's ability to vocally mimick just about anyone (take "Pale and
Precious," for example).  Does anyone know, by the way, if Ian Gregory
was ever asked to join the band?  His drumming with The Dukes is pretty
good (at least in the opinion of a non-drummer!)

I bought Billy Bragg's "Don't Try This At Home" today, and I'm poppily
impressed.  Johnny Marr, Michael Stipe, *and* Peter Buck all making
appearances?!?  It's almost too good to be true!

I've got an advance copy of Morphine's new album, "The Night."  It's
pretty good, if you like Morphine...

"Magnolia" is a pretty good movie, if you like movies.  Actually, it's
spectacular.  Go.  See.  Enjoy.  Aimee Mann does the songs.  Also, Fox's
new sit-com "Malcom in the Middle" is quite funny -- and They Might Be
Giants does all the music...


     Benjamin Gott . Loquacious Music . Brunswick, ME 04011
AIM: Plan4Nigel . Telephone (207) 721-5366 . Mobile (207) 798-1859      .


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