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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 41

                  Sunday, 12 March 2000

Today's Topics:

              The Current State of " Rock "
                        av2 names
                 irrelevant trainspotting
                Blue Vs. Green, 1x Vs.4+x
                        woe is me
                      Kevin Gilbert
               Re: Orgonemania & Steely Dan
               Re: Stop Press: new AV2 name
                      Aztec vs Mayan
                       XTC out West
                Gettin' high in New Mexico
                 feets don't fail me now
                   not a david oh flame
         can't think of a clever subject heading
             re: wasp star, av2, whatever...
                          WASP *
                      Wasp Star Wars
                      insert mother
                       av1 sighting
              News on a new XTC cover band.


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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:17:53 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: The Current State of " Rock "
Message-ID: <000601bf8af3$e65cf140$735791d2@johnboud>

Greetings on a snowy Saturday morning in pastoral paradise Kumamoto Japan

Would somebody please e-mail me off list and fill me in on the music " scene
" in America these days ? What are young people listening to ?
>From what I can gather from the kids here - who tend to mimic the Americans
in just about every way - hip hop , r & b , house , reggae , soul ; what
they call " black music " , is where it is at . I have seen several music
magazines on the shelves in book stores with titles like " Black Music
Journal " and " Black Scene " which are totally devoted to the
aforementioned genres . Very curious ...

nishimatsu-san  wrote :

 > A background music of Japanese TV CM (Shock-bootsu Mono-gut->ari : skin
care products made by Lion Co. sounds _so similar_
>to River of Orchid

Yes , my daughter mentioned this to me . I have yet to hear it , but
wouldn't be a bit surprised if it is a rip off of ROO . Bloody typical ,
actually . Back in the 60's and early 70's they had a genre of music over
here called " group sounds " . The record companies manufactured goofy
groups who sung current pop hits in the US in Japanese . The fans of course
assumed the tunes were original . I doubt very much that the writers of
these songs received any royalties from the big Japanese record companies
either .



Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:00:26 EST
Subject: av2 names
Message-ID: <>

In a message dated 03/10/2000 10:33:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<> writes:

<< >Personally, I don't care if Andy and Colin decide to name
 >the album *Dog Vomit* - if the music is still delicious, I'll
 >"consume" it...

  A title like Dog Vomit would be better than Wasp Star... >>

How about "Monkey Puss?"  Or "10,000 Nuns and Orphans...Eaten By Rats?"  With
a name like that, it'd have to be good!

J. D.

P. S. to Todd B. - "Wes said >I know what it's like to be dead"  Now THAT was


Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:47:47 -0800
From: "Jeannie" <>
Subject: irrelevant trainspotting
Message-ID: <>

Okay okay, I know that I am thus admitting guilt in actually watching this
musically irrelevant, stupid show, but "Dear God" was actually mentioned as
one of the top 'rebel songs of all time' on VH1's "The List." But, alas!  It
got beat out by a couple rap songs and Bob Marley for the top three spots.
What else is new!


Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:23:37 CST
From: "vee tube" <>
Subject: Blue Vs. Green, 1x Vs.4+x
Message-ID: <>

    Thank you! I bought a new PC last night and I'm gonna
try to convert a whole bunch of stuff to MP3,Up it to an
Idrive, or some other such site ,and give it all away!

  The input you fine dirt dwellers have sent my way is way
     liquid! Totally fluid! It trickles down my gills!


     I now ask all 'Hillers' to GIVE IT UP!!!!!!!!!

        OK! Maybe your Skank don't Stank!
             If if don't,KEEP IT!

     But if it do...

          Skank on mother F*ker!



Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:03:09 -0800
From: "Victor Rocha" <>
Subject: woe is me
Message-ID: <00b801bf8b30$3d6ce120$>

Hey Chalksters, I have a dilemma. John Relph's web site has Some Lovely (My
Brown Guitar) listed in the song tracks for "Wasp Star" . Mark Strijbos' web
site has it omitted.

is it or isn't it?

Victor Rocha


Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:56:32 -0800
From: "Aaron Pastula" <>
Subject: Kevin Gilbert
Message-ID: <002001bf8b40$15e8a840$5e87b3d1@oemcomputer>

>First of all, glad to see all the talk about KG ... RIP, Kev. Yeah, his
>cover of "Back in NYC" kicks, and those interested in hearing more
>should hear the live version of "Lamb" (the album, not just the song)
>that Kevin's band Giraffe did for ProgFest '94. Well done and lots of

Yes yes yes.  I haven't heard the studio version of "Back in NYC," but the
live "Lamb" by Giraffe is incredible.  I dare say that I like KG's version
of "Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging" better than the original...

For those who haven't heard Kevin's tunes, you're doing yourself a real
disservice by not checking him out.  It tears me up sometimes to think of
the things he could have done...



Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:56:42 -0800 (PST)
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Re: Orgonemania & Steely Dan
Message-ID: <>

"Ralph Simpson DeMarco" <> wrote:
>After the shooting, Burroughs went right to
>the police, where it was determined to be an accident.
>Only heard a bit of new Steely Dan.

Has anybody mentioned that the name "Steely Dan" was coined by William
Burroughs in his book "Naked Lunch"?

	-- John


Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:46:07 -0800 (PST)
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Re: Stop Press: new AV2 name
Message-ID: <>

"Simon Deane" <> wrote:
>Judging from all the furore here, it would seem that the new name for AV2 is
>going to be "Wasp Star". Not that anyone cares what I think but (before I
>hurry on to something better) it strikes me that "xux ek" would be a much
>more fun name. It's from the original Mayan according to Dominic and
>"Chalkhills", and it sounds a damned sight less like some shite heavy metal
>effort.  Incidentally, how do you pronounce that?  "Sucks egg"? Any Mayans
>on this list?

I'm not Mayan, but I believe X is usually pronounced as "sh".  So "Xux
Ek" would be "shoosh ache".  One of my favorite stories from friends
visiting the Yucutan is the one about the sign "XAOR", which appeared
on the door to the shower.

	-- John

P.S. Sounds like somebody needs to go to the dentist: "Xux Ek".


Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:11:42 -0700
From: Phil Corless <>
Subject: Aztec vs Mayan
Message-ID: <>

I'd thought our friends down in Mexico would be writing in
to correct everyone..... but I'll do it for them.  The Aztec
and Mayan civilizations were not the same thing.   The Aztecs,
or Mexica as they called themselves, dominated the area around
what is presently Mexico City.  Their capital city was Tenochtitlan,
which was completely leveled by the gold-seeking bastard Cortes.
The Spanish priests came along later to make sure the damage was
permanent.  The Mexica spoke Nahuatl.

On the other hand, the Mayans dominated the Yucatan Peninsula
and surrounding regions.  Their "golden age" of pyramids and temples
came long before the Mexica (Aztecs) were around.  So, the two
civilizations were separated by both time and distance.

As far as I know, the two languages, Mayan and Nahuatl, are
completely different.

Now you know more than I do.


Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:37:35 -0800
From: "Wes Hanks" <>
Subject: XTC out West
Message-ID: <000001bf8b78$359a3c20$30b59fce@default>

Dog Vomit Purchasers,

The latest issue of Uncut has yet another account of XTC on the road. This
time their travelogue is from Texas westward during their 1980 US tour.
After reading this, you will be amazed that they toured as long as they did.
One of the gigs mentioned is for Houston's Rock Island. See evidence at:

The sound system was so horrible that they cancelled that show and played
instead at the Cowboy Club. The club manager upon hearing their reasons for
cancelling, stated "But the Police played here". Prompting Terry to reply,
"Just because the Police played every fucking chicken-coop in the west,
doesn't mean we have to." The best anecdote is their reaction to the
following at the Cowboy Club:
'Suddenly, the [PA] music's switched off, there's a drum roll and a rifle
shot. Everyone on the dancefloor freezes, the men whipping off their hats
and holding them over their hearts. The Texas flag is unfurled over the
crowd and everyone starts singing "The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You".
Evidently, its closing time. "Fuck me," says Chambers. "'Ave these people
never heard of a cheerful 'Time, gentlemen, please'? Fuckin' gunfire and
flags, what's that all about?"

Another Terry Tale is when they reach LA they attended a party hosted by
David Byrne. Terry was observed talking with Brian Eno. Terry was asked the
next day what they were talking about. "I asked him if he had a
bottle-opener", Terry says, "and I get a lecture on the history of the
fuckin' world. After about three quarters of an hour, I had to ask him to
speed things up a bit because we still hadn't got to the bit about the Earth
cooling. "Ere", Chambers says then. "Pass us that beer while the bastard's
still cold, will you?"

Wes "Its never closing time here" Hanks


Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:17:30 EST
Subject: Gettin' high in New Mexico
Message-ID: <>

Ed Kedzierski wrote:
Taking Burroughs' endorsement of orgone as a strike against it on account
of his being a wife-killing junky seems besides the point; you don't read
Burroughs to look for role models.

Prompting Ralph Simpson DeMarco to write:
OK, I know this may be besides the point but "wife-killing junky"?   I suggest
you read the amazing authorized biography by Ted Morgan called "Literary
Outlaw".  The night in Mexico when he accidentally killed her, he and some
friends were all very high... I missing something Ralph?  If he was very high when he
"accidentally killed" his wife it appears that "wife-killing junky" may just
be the shoe that fits.

Christ, I'm sooooo high right now........hey honey, bring me that gun and an
apple.  Thanks....uhhhhh, I mean....sorry.



Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:23:23 -0600
From: RNV <>
Subject: feets don't fail me now
Message-ID: <>

>>>Anyways, no description of it being specifically a
foot wart (or any REAL wart, for that matter).<<<

Actually, if it's a synonym for plantar wart, it would have to be a foot
wart, since "plantar" is from the Latin for sole of the foot. So it's
not spelled "planter."

God, I'm such a pedant.

NV (third from left, holding eel)


Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:20:40 -0600
From: RNV <>
Subject: not a david oh flame
Message-ID: <>

>>>it strikes me that "xux ek" would be a much more fun name.
Incidentally, how do you pronounce that?  "Sucks egg"? Any Mayans on
this list?<<<

Funny you should ask. I'm not Mayan, but I play one on TV. Also, I've
read Tintin's "Prisoners of the Sun" dozens of times.

It *REALLY REALLY* is the Mayan name for Venus and it's pronounced
SHOOSHEK. Read Charles Olson's "Mayan Letters" some time (New
Directions, reprinted in U of Cal's "Collected Prose").

NV (his mark)


Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:32:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: can't think of a clever subject heading
Message-ID: <>

Kevin Diamond asks:
Also, I just heard this recently, and was wondering if
anyone here could verify. Someone told me the #1 best
selling album ever was... the  eagels' greatest hits?
That seems really weird to me. Could this be true?

Don't seem weird to me. DOES seem like proof that most
people have their musical taste located up their

Actually, I thint it's true. Recall reading it
somewhere recently. For a while, the best selling
album was the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack. That
was usurped by Michael Jackson's Thriller, which held
the top spot until last year, when the Eagles took
over. Appearently, it sells very steadily as  a back
catalog item, and took 15 years or so to become the
all time beat seller.
Similar things have happenrd before. Wasn't Dark Side
of the Moon on Billboard's top 100 chart for 10 years
or something? Seems odd to me that a record that
existed mainly as a soundrack to teenage pot parites
in the '70's could chart for so long...


Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:56:51 -0500
From: Danny Phipps <>
Subject: re: wasp star, av2, whatever...
Message-ID: <>

who the fuck CARES what the actual title is of the next xtc

it's a NEW XTC album, fer crissakes!!  that's what matters!!!!!!

get over it........jeeez!


"i would have made this instrumental, but
 the words got in the way."  (andy partridge)


Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:38:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: WASP *
Message-ID: <>

Wasp Star-
that sounds like a 70's glam rock/pop sort of title to
me. Like it should be the title of an old lp by Sweet
or something.
Maybe they can toss off a cover of 'Love is Like
Oxygen'  or 'Little Willy' for a bonus single

Little Willy-sounds like a personal problem to me!


Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:49:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Susperia Five <>
Subject: Wasp Star Wars
Message-ID: <>

Hola Chalkies
I must say I dig the name of the new album.  It sounds
vibrant and innovative, something that's always been
synonymous with XTC.
It also sounds like the title of a sci-fi movie.  Who
knows ~ maybe Andy and Colin will be in the next "I Am
Sci Fi" short on the SciFi Channel, displaying their
out of this world talents. ;-)

The value of anything is how much it hurts ~~ Shriekback


Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 02:34:46 +0000
From: John Peacock <>
Subject: insert mother
Message-ID: <>
Organization: The Nice Organization

> John H. Hedges said:
> And don't forget, the Soft Boys (Hitchcock's band during the 70's) did an
> album called "A Can of Bees," and there was also a song on his "Fegmania!"
> LP called "Insert Mother."

Being the pedant I am, I must point out that the song in questions is called
Insect Mother (as i am sure you are aware).

However, Insert Mother is also a very good name for a song.

Do you think it's possible that when we are all experts on mayan cosmology,
Andy will change the title again and we'll all have to go out and do more
research into an even more obscure subject?


In the spirit of shameless self promotion, my songs may be found at:
"sell yourself, sell yourself, expect nothing" as a sage saith.


Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:06:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Howorth <>
Message-ID: <>

Please shut up about the f***ing Orgone Accumulator or
go to the bloody Hawkwind site!!! I thought this was
supposed to be an XTC newsgroup not the f***ing
egomaniac paranoid self-help group. Everyone can and
will believe what they want Dunc (including so-called
'Scientists' - 'dark matter' what 'New Scientist'
magazine called one of science's most exotic
'imaginings'- hey it's invisible, you can't see it or
measure it - give me a f***ing break!) and nothing you
say or do is gonna change that so shut the f*** up or
I will be forced to taunt you a second time.

'We are what we pretend to be' - Kurt Vonnegut


Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:14:18 -0600
From: "William Sherlock" <>
Subject: av1 sighting
Message-ID: <>

While looking for Discwasher fluid (found it, surprised that it still
exists in this sterile CD era) I ran across a "High end
audiophile" store. In their music section, listed first, is none other than
XTC's Apple Venus Volume 1. I guess even stereo nerds like good music.

Thanks to all who responded ( and e-mailed me) especially Smudgeboy (what's
with the nom de internet?) with the explanation for "verrucca's with a
drawing pin". And you're right Mr. Smith, I do kind of regret asking now.
That reporter must have been truly desperate for the interview to have sat
through that bit of minor surgery. It must have been a major piece of
"buttlickery"! Right on, Dom

Bill Sherlock

...swimming out alone against this tide. New Model Army


Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:26:57 -0800
From: "Diamond" <>
Subject: News on a new XTC cover band.
Message-ID: <>

Hey, all.

    I just got wind that there's a new XTC cover band. It's an
all-female-vocal a cappella group based in The Vaticin, made entirely out of
Sisters and Mothers of the catholic church. Apparently, they're going to be
calling themselves Nun-such. Needless to say, they will NOT be covering Dear
God. More news as this unfolds.

Kevin "What's in a name besides words and spaces" Diamond
"The universe does not have laws, it has habits, and habits can be broken."
            -Tom Robbins


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