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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 4

                  Friday, 7 January 2000

Today's Topics:

                     Nigel In Canada
              Re: How Is Nonsuch Pronounced?
        Request for more sales data on XTC catalog
                       XTC reviews
                     Re: Best of 1999
             On why XTC never turned to shit.
           Wall Clocks and Herbert Groenemeyer
                  re: #6_3 and marillion
                    mannequin catwalk?
                Zorak reviews "Skylarking"
        Re: It's Not Your Granma it's your Grammy
    All things Marillion/Fish and none XTC (apologies)
                    Re: Melt the Guns
                    Stereolab fans...
                 Re: Hitch-Hiker's Guide
              A Recomendation and a Request
                   I Found an Old List


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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:30:25 +0100 (MET)
From: rappard <>
Subject: Nigel In Canada
Message-ID: <>

Got this from someone on the The The mailing list - 102.1 CFNY
(apparently a decent enough station) in Toronto has compiled a listers'
poll of the 1002 best songs of all time:

A certain quirky English band made #55 (Nigel), #296 (God), #740 (Senses)
and #954 (Pumpkinhead), proving that some Canadians beside David Oh have
impeccable taste in music (and while I write this, my mind conjures up an
image of David flooding the stations email box with entries - good job!).



Message-ID: <>
From: "another from kristi" <>
Subject: Re: How Is Nonsuch Pronounced?
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:27:52 GMT

>>>>>>On another subject created out of boredom- is
>>>Nonsuch pronounced "None-such"?  This is how VH1 said
>>>>it on the XTC- "Where Are They Now" segment (which I'm
>>>glad I taped!).

I believe it is pronounced none-such. In "Chalkhills and Children", it's
Andy who sings "some none-such (sp) net holds me aloft", and he pronounces
it just like that.


"Remember when you were with the Beatles and you were supposed to
be dead? That was a hoax, right?" ~ Chris Farley to Paul McCartney
"Look what I got for $1.85!" Damn!  "Never Pay Full Price!"
A Diary of Secondhand Shopping in the Modern Age"


Message-ID: <1D5033F5A9C85E4C861F053E637CB89F0747FB@postal>
From: Jill Oleson <>
Subject: Request for more sales data on XTC catalog
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:47:19 -0600

Since the last three XTC albums have been released
(Transistor Blast, Apple Venus, Volume 1, and Homespun),
several new Chalkers have confessed to having been reeled
in by one XTC album then subsequently purchasing the
entire XTC catalog.

All this has me wondering... What have the sales of older
XTC releases been like since the most recent three albums
were released in 1999?

Hope someone can give us some valid numbers,

Jill Oleson
Austin, Texas


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:29:57 -0600
From: "David R. Bauman" <>
Subject: Fish/Marillion

Hi everyone --

this is a message I sent yesterday to Mark, but I saw
a few other messages pop up with the same theme, so
I'll post it publicly.


Hello, Mark,

I'm an infrequent (at best) poster to Chalkhills,
so you probably won't know me.  Anyway, I saw
your question about former Marillion vocalist Fish
and will try to give you some information about
him.  I actually got interested in Fish and Marillion
about two years ago, near the time I started listening
to XTC, interestingly.  Fish has had a financially
spotty decade since he left Marillion, always seeming
to be just on the wrong end of luck.  He's released
five or six studio albums and a number of live albums
that are eagerly snapped up by fans.  His first solo
album, "Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors" seems to be
considered his best.  He released several less successful
albums before "Sunsets on Empire" in 1996 or so.
"Raingods with Zippos" (my personal favorite) followed
last year.  He toured through Europe almost nonstop
through the 1990s, from what I gather, though never
amassing more than a cult following.  His music is
a bit more hard-edged than that of 80's Marillion,
often with many elements of Scottish folk music, but
mixing genres, often very creatively.  I'm a member of
the Marillion/Fish mailing list (called "Freaks"), and
several weeks ago Fish posted to the list (he's a member
of it, as are several members of Marillion, which is
pretty nice) that he's going to ease up, if not halt
altogether, his live act, to concentrate on studio
albums and put more effort into a newly-burgeoning
film career.  It's a shame he's had such a tough
career; his fans are truly dedicated people, but
sadly, in the U.S., no-one's heard of him.

I'd recommend any of the above albums as an intriguing
place to begin.  Nothing like XTC, but that's part of the
fun of music.

Actually, I'd really recommend most of Marillion's albums
since Steve Hogarth became vocalist in the late 80s.
They are a completely different style than with Fish,
and I think they'd appeal very much to an XTC fan --
very intelligent, complex, pop.  If you'd like any
suggestions from me, I'd be happy to help -- for comparison,
I'd say that Marillion and XTC are among my favorite
artists, along with mid-period (1974-78) Genesis,
and of XTC's albums, I prefer Apple Venus, Nonsuch, and
Skylarking above all others.

Hope that helps--


David R. Bauman


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:37:54 EST
Subject: XTC reviews

Here in Southern California, we have a couple of widely read free weekly
publications. One being the L.A. Weekly and the other is the New Times. In
their year end publications I noted consistently good marks for AV1.

BUT.... the coolest thing was seeing AV1 listed in one reviewer's list of
his top 10 films! Huh? Yup.

Film critic Gregory Weinkauf put AV1 as his #5 MOVIE of the year. Here is
what he wrote:

" 5. Apple Venus, Vol. 1, directed by XTC. All right, so, technically, this
album is not a movie. But it plays like a film festival! Slide this pop
masterstroke by remaining members Andy Partridge and Colin Moulding into your
player, close your eyes (unless you're driving), and try telling me that lush
songs like 'Frivolous Tonight', 'Green Man' and the brilliant 'River Of
Orchids' aren't swollen with more visual and emotional gratification than
you'd get from a week at the multiplex. Perhaps I'm commenting on the wrong
medium, but perhaps it's a bit snobbish to think so."

That may have been the coolest review I've read. Props to Gregory Weinkauf.
Keep him in your prayers tonight.

I'm getting married on the 22nd.... any ideas on XTC "marriage songs"? I've
got a few clues, but would like some input. And yes, I exposed my fiancee to
XTC and she really digs 'em.

Carson, Ca


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:19:27 EST
Subject: Re: Best of 1999

Well, I picked (surprise, surprise) Apple Venus as my best album of 1999
(changed my mind since the last posting on this topic). If anyone's
interested the UK website where the article appears is

Happy New Year everyone!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:23:24 +0000
Subject: On why XTC never turned to shit.

Whilst in general agreement that XTC have not turned to shit, I do think
that at times they have become a little inaccessible. Having bought and
played to death English Settlement, I remember waht seemed like an eternity
(OK, about 18 months), until Mummer arrived. I so wanted it to be good that
I went out and bought it the day it was released. I then spent about two or
three weeks listening to this and nothing else and telling myself that it
was brilliant. A few weeks later, I realised that this was not the case. I
was severely underwhelmed by it and didn't play it again for many years.
This so put me off that when Big Express appeared the following year, I
completely ignored it and lost sight of the boys for a while. Fast forward
to early 1990, when in search of CDs (yes, I had finally abandoned vinyl),
I came across Skylarking and thought, well maybe it was worth a try. Boy,
was this good, I had forgotten just how brilliant XTC could be. (This was
without Dear God!). Over the course of the next few months I started to try
and get all of XTC on CD. I found THe Compact XTC, and couldn't believe how
great 'All You Pretty Girls' was and rushed out to try and track down the
Big Express, hoping for more of the same. Once again I felt a little
disappointed with the end result. Another ten years has slipped by and now
I have all of the studio albums on CD and now finally appreciate both
Mummer and The Big Express, although they are neither of them immediate
choices if I want to listen to some XTC. (Mainly AV1 or Nonsuch these
days). I suppose my point in all this is that whilst XTC have not become
shit, they have, imho, done some slightly patchy stuff, but despite this
have come up trumps again after this, rather than going into decline.

For what its worth, my two faves of 1999 were Mule Variations/Tom Waits and

Counting the days until AV2 (Just over 100, if an April date is still the
exoected release date).



Message-ID: <22AA6F41BBBBD21193030000F877AAD6106418@ns3.mbk.rpl>
Subject: Wall Clocks and Herbert Groenemeyer
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:48:10 +0100

Hi and a happy New Year to everyone,
James asked in #6/3 for the album from Herbert Groenemeyer. He has been a
singer in vain for many years in the late 70ies but a well known actor. That
changed with the success of the German movie "Das Boot" (The Boat). I think
it was also well know in the U.S. by the - at that time internationally
unknown - director Wolfgang Petersen. Groenemeyer played the role of the
Nazi war correspondent aboard the German submarine during World War II.
Juergen Prochnow played the role of the Captain, the so-called "Kaleun".
Following the movie was the career of a German singer/songwriter in the
upcoming German New Wave in the early 80ies. Groenemeyer made a few albums
with English lyrics, with the collaboration of Peter Hammill, and with Andy
Partridge for an album called "Chaos". Is it worth the money? Well - many
people in Germany say: Groenemeyer cannot sing. Also a fun record by some
other singers was made, called "Groenemeyer cannot dance", because of his
strange live behaviour on stage. The English albums were hard to find ever
on the German market because of the production for overseas. But I think the
foreign market was not much interested in him - so those records sank into
oblivion. I.M.H.O. the earlier German songs are listenable but it'is also
true: he cannot sing!
Another thing I recognized browsing through the offers on Ebay: I could not
understand that there are people who spent so many bucks in those XTC wall
clocks. Someone produces those simple clocks and then he put those cover
images on it. Is it legal - what is the profit of the band from that? I
think nothing. And I do not think that this is fair. If you're really
interested in things like that try your skills, make a scan of the cover
and do it for yourself - that's cheaper.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 06:47:08 -0800
From: dan phipps <>
Organization: cic
Subject: re: #6_3 and marillion

good to see marillion (and fish) mentioned in the
latest issue.  i too have his "internal exile"
release along with "vigil in a wilderness of mirrors."
both of these albums are awesome, in my opinion.

fish has one of the most distinctive voices i've
ever heard on record...very similar to peter gabriel's
during his stint with genesis (in other words, when they
were *good*).

i'd love to get some actual marillion within my
music collection, but their stuff is just so damned
hard to find.  (aarrgghh!!)  can anyone help me here?

the band have a new album now, i believe, called
"" (only a matter of time -- watch
out, j_tull!!), and i've read nothing but good
reviews on it.  can't wait to hear the new fish
release, if indeed he's actually recording again.
(he can play the rather elusive gentleman, too,
when he wants to!)

yep, glad to see marillion and fish mentioned...

be well --

/Dan Phipps <>

"I would have made this instrumental,
 but the words got in the way."
(Andy Partridge)



From: Dorothy Spirito <>
Subject: mannequin catwalk?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.10001070908300.1613-100000@esun2028>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:18:01 -0500

Christopher wanted to know what a "mannequin catwalk" is.

I'll take a crack at an answer.  The catwalk is the stage runway that
models at high-powered fashion shows strut.  Models, when in full array,
are unrealistic ideals of humanity -- living mannequins, displaying
outward 'perfection'.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 09:01:22 -0600
From: Peter Mullin <>
Subject: Zorak reviews "Skylarking"


Check out:
for a pithy review of one of our favorite platters..."you will all
dampen your khakis"!

Peter Mullin
Just another orchid in the river...


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:37:17 EST
Subject: Re: It's Not Your Granma it's your Grammy

from kev. d (yo homie what up my man) on 1/7:
<< there's so many people who just buy into
mechanically created, formulated, pre meditated, uhhhhh...
something-else-that-ends-in-ated music... why is that? >>

yay i have something to say! (revel revel revel) ok, well, the backstreet
boys are a product that the music industry has produced, and the audiences
teeming with twelve year old teeny boppers experiencing what may be their
first unfulfillable crushes are the consumer group to which these bands (or
nonhuman cute-bots like britney spears!) are being marketed. so... i guess
music is the art for the masses, having been embraced and produced by the
underclass throughout time... in fact, controlling its production by the
lower classes is one way that people (ie. african-american slaves in the
south) can be supressed. or oppressed or whatever.
but hey, i'm sure there's just as much commercialism and other nasty things
in other art forms... graphic design for example, for commercial purposes
anyway. but you can't compare van gough's starry night with some guys chef
boyardee can label, and you can't compare xtc to the backstreet boys, or
their fan bases!
plus, this is america, and the backstreet boys are pretty sickly american boy
next door or in the backstreet or something stereotypes. much like how some
excellent foreign movies can have a hard time getting the publicity they
deserve, so too do some import bands! it's the part that sucks about
consumerism. it seeps into every aspect of our lives, but hey, i wouldn't
change it for the world.
besides, if a bunch of teenyboppers decided xtc rocks in that way, i'd
shudder my way to an early grave and turn in my guitar at the national center
for disillusioned musicians.

and now for something completely different,


Message-ID: <0D276A818C6BD311848A0008C70890E25988DC@USINTEX02JFK>
From: "Cerquone, Suzanne" <>
Subject: All things Marillion/Fish and none XTC (apologies)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:16:13 -0800

Jeff wrote:

 >>My question exactly. He did put out a solo album shortly after leaving
Marillion say around 1987 or 1988. It was the same good stuff that you spoke
of but I have not heard hide nor hare from him since. Perhaps this has
something to do with the fact that I stopped looking. I would venture one of
our European friends might be able to help with the answer.<<

This American can answer.  Fish has put out many solo albums: Vigil in the
Wilderness of Mirrors (his best), Internal Exile (quite excellent, too),
Songs from the Mirror (cover songs, and damn awful), Suits (also not to my
liking), Sunsets on Empire (quite strong, produced by Porcupine Tree's Steve
Wilson) and from 1999, Raingods with Zippos (weak, IMO).

Fish is pretty much giving up touring in 2000 to devote time to a fledgling
UK acting career, but he is doing some US dates this month.  Check out for more info.

Chris Coolidge wrote:
>>I'd lost track of them after 1994's Afraid Of Sunlight, which I heard one
song from
and it sounded like they were trying to make a sequel to U2's
Zooropa. <<

Wow, I'm a huge Marillion fan and I never saw the connection.  Thankfully,
since I hate Zooropa and I love Afraid of Sunlight.

>>For those who like the idea of a cross between the most
recent King Crimson lineup and later Boomtown Rats(kind of), '93's
Brave might be your cup of tea.<<

Uh, not really.  There's nothing remotely close to King Crimson in
Marillion's work.  Fripp would probably agree with me.  Still, I'll give you
the Boomtown Rats (the "kind of" stressed strongly).   Brave is indeed
Marillion's finest work with Hogarth on lead vocals.

>>Hogarth has a bit more of an angel with a dirty face kind of voice, and
brings a bit more sex appeal
into the band for the benefit of the female fans(and gay male too,
presumably!). He is quite a handsome guy, really.<<

I concur.  He's quite the "total package," as they say.



Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:24:39 -0600
Subject: Re: Melt the Guns
From: William Loring <>
Message-ID: <>

Christopher R. Coolidge wrote:

> I'm glad George is alright, but until we figure out a way to keep
> guns out of the hands of scumbuckets without stepping on the rights
> of responsible citizens, I would recommend that any public figure
> concerned about being shot by a stalker
> buy a gun and learn how to use it. Then again, Rosie O'Donnell and
> Babs Streisand can afford expensive bodyguards.(and Babs has James
> Brolin to protect her!)

So, your thought is that the solution to the problem of too many guns is to
have more guns. Makes perfect sense to me.

Do you honestly think that John Lennon (or George) might might have saved
himself if he had had a gun? What makes you think he would have been able to
shoot first? Were his attacker's intentions made that clear? Did he come up
to John waving the gun around, and saying "look out, I'm going to shoot you

Having guns around certainly didn't help James Brady. Not only did he end up
crippled for life, but the President he was with got shot too. This
president still didn't come to his senses and _do_something_ about the
insane number of guns in this country. Of course all of this happened within
spitting distance of more defensive firepower than most of us will see in a
lifetime. What good did it all do?

I am speaking to Justice League of America
The US of A hey you, yes you in particular...

...and if you listen quietly,
you can hear them shooting from grave to grave.

Melt the guns, melt the guns, melt the guns and never more to fire them.
Melt the guns, melt the guns, melt the guns and never more desire them.

William Loring


Message-Id: <>
Date: 07 Jan 00 15:53:15 -0500
From: Jennifer Ralston <>
Subject: Stereolab fans...

         Reply to:   Stereolab fans...
Alec wrote:
>There's also the '60s Psychedelic vocal group called The Free Design
> Definitely look
>for some Free Design to hear Stereolab in the late '60s. Seriously.
>It's cool that there are XTC fans who appreciate Stereolab.  I wonder
>what Andy and Colin think of them.  I bet they sound too "borrowed" and
>unoriginal for Andy to tip his hat even slightly.

I couldn't comment on that part...but for anyone here who is a fan of
Stereolab, it'd be well worth your while to check out a Spanish band called
Le Mans...  brilliant stuff, and they manage to out-'Lab the
'Labs. Crazy. Look for a CD which combines the albums 'Le Mans' and
'Entresemana'. I now listen to that more often than Mars Audiac Quintet...

More XTC next time! Probably.

And day grows darker now, everywhere,

Pedant P.S. to friends, family, colleagues, businesses, and publications:
Whether you think it's the end, the beginning, or limbo, the word
'millennium' has two n's in it.


Message-ID: <>
From: "garret harkawik" <>
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:24:29 EST
Subject: Re: Hitch-Hiker's Guide

Molly said:

>Whoo hoo, Hitch-Hiker's Guide!!!!  I love that show.

I just finished reading "Mostly Harmless" which is the last book in the
Hitch-Hiker's Guide book series and I just thought i'd say that I thought
the way Douglas Adams ended the series was dissapointing.

I was listening to O+L last night and I was wondering is the drums on the
album were done by a drum machine or a person.  Anyone know?

And in response to all those people who said I was wrong about the
definition of Jealous I must say that I probably was wrong.  My mom(Who likw
steven paul is a lawer) told me that that is what jealousy really meant.
and just because its in a dictionary doesn't always mean its right.  I
remember one time, I was argueing with my friends brother about whether or
not irrigardless is a word (and of course anyone with half a brain knows it
isn't).  We went to a dictionary and it accually had it in there!

Garret "If I lived in Nebraska i'd be old enough to drive" Harkawik


Message-Id: <>
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:29:05 -0800
Subject: A Recomendation and a Request
From: "Diamond" <>

Hello Chalk-mates

    First off, I'd like to recomend a band that I found on For
those of you with MP3 capable computers, i suggest that you download some
music y a band by the name of The Fullerenes. They're really quite good,
they're like a mix off new wave, Nerd Rock, and Power Pop. Kind of like Devo
meets TMBG meets Blur. To here some music from them, go to MP3.Com and just
search for the Fullerenes. I recomend the songs Not My Girlfriend, Pity Sex,
Micky's Got A Hold On Me, Glamour, and Lowercase. I'm sure you won't be
dissapointed. Also, in a little while, my and will have music up on
I'll keep you posted as to when I put the music up.

    Now the request. I've promised myself not to listen to any songs from
av2 before the album comes out, so I'll be surprised, but I'd be interested
in hearing some of the songs that DIDN'T make it onto either AV's, A.K.A.
the Surprise Demo Outfit. If anone can help me with any of these tracks, I'd
be extremely thankful. Any other demos you could supply would be great, too,
of course.

Kevin Diamond
"la la la la la la"
    - every song by Blur (almost)


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:16:13 EST
Subject: I Found an Old List

Upon cleaning off my desk this New Year's, I came across an old list on a
topic that was widely discussed earlier in the year, the perfect XTC tribute
album.  Not knowing what else to do with it, I will force it upon all of you.
 I wish all Chalkhillers and happy, healthy and prosperous 2000.


1.  I'd Like That -- Barry White
2.  Humble Daisy -- Duo: Kenny Rogers / Barbara Streisand
3.  Optimism's Flame -- James Brown
4.  Wake Up -- Bread
5.  Funk Pop A Roll -- Barry Manilow
6.  English Roundabout -- Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass
7.  Ladybird -- Van Halen (w/ David Lee Roth)
8.  Chalkhills and Children -- George Clinton w/ Parliment Funkadelic
9.  Somnubalist -- Rush
10.  Pulsing, Pulsing -- Frank Sinatra
11.  Complicated Game -- Mel Torme w/ the Hollyridge Strings
12.  Train Running Low on Soulcoal -- William Shatner
    (...think I'm goin' SOUTH...for the WIN-ter...)

With warmest regards,
Former Bassist David


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