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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 36

                  Tuesday, 7 March 2000

Today's Topics:

                        wasp star?
                         Re: Homo
                      Re: Licking Up
                   I hate computers...
                Kevin Gilbert/Bull Origins
                      Seasons Cycle
                   International Top 40
                    He's gonna blow!!
 Wasp Star....what Andy said........or what's in a name ?
                       Re: Orgazmo
           "My Pink Half of the Drainpipe ....
            Off topic: That's the place for me
     Complete XTC concert in MP3 format - now online!
                an album by any other name
                       Re: Oh Dear


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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:12:15 -0500
From: "Kate Burda" <>
Subject: wasp star?
Message-ID: <005701bf8797$81be3140$>

Maybe it's only me, but I'm feeling a little disappointed with a title like


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:46:38 -0800 (PST)
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Re: Homo
Message-ID: <>

Gregory Sandoval <> plugged:
>A friend just gave me a birthday present of a Dear God 7" CD single with
>several instrumental tracks which I believe, but am not certain, comprise
>the Homo Safari set in its entirety. Can anyone confirm? I have no idea of
>this item's collectability, nor do I care, I thought it was just a great

You mean a 5-inch CD single, I believe.  And yes, those six tracks are
the Homo Safari series in its entirety.  It's pretty collectable,
although the original issue in the gatefold LP-style sleeve is rarer
than the later single in the slimline jewel box.

	-- John


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:49:04 -0800 (PST)
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Re: Licking Up
Message-ID: <>

Spat Dominic Lawson <>:
>Oh, take your tongue out of his arse for God's sake!

Hey Dom, it's good to hear from you!

	-- John


Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:22:38 -0500
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <>
Subject: I hate computers...
Message-ID: <>

Fellas and ladies,

Sometimes my personal replies to Peter Fitzpatrick get posted to the list!
Hooray for e-mail and sleepiness!

Does anyone know the date that the promo copies of "Wasp" will be available
in the U.S.?  Bowdoin's radio station is planning on getting one, and I want
to give them an expectancy...

Also -- Babybird's new single, "The F-Word," is due to be released soon.
Keep an ear out.


       Benjamin Gott . Loquacious Music . Brunswick, ME 04011
AIM: Plan4Nigel . Tel: (207) 721-5366 .
 Don't you know we're all light? / Yeah, I read that someplace...


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:11:58 -0600
From: "Joe Funk" <>
Subject: Kevin Gilbert/Bull Origins
Message-ID: <000a01bf87b9$2803cb20$7721fea9@jomama68>


I just thought I would query Y'all on a coupla' things:

I'd seen Kevin Gilbert mentioned in the digest before, but didn't have a
clue who he was...until now!!  I managed to get a copy of " The Shaming of
the True" (thanks Jill & Michael!!).  I didn't know what to expect....I was
literally floored!!!  The music, the story (Johnny Virgil.. what a tragic
figure), and the aura of this recording left me mesmerized!  Will anyone
with more info on KG please contact me off-line.  What an unexpected

Also, I also got my hands on a copy of " The Bull with the Golden Guts".
Can anyone tell me the background on these recordings;i.e. - when, where.
etc..  Goodbye Humanosaurus sounds like an early incarnation of "Then She
Appeared".  I was just curious because there is such a wide variety of
material on it.


Forward into the Past!!
Joe 'Don't you ever dare call me Chickenhead' Funk
Austin, Texas
""Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses!  Not from
some farcical aquatic ceremony!!"


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:31:37 EST
Subject: Seasons Cycle
Message-ID: <>

Hey Clan,

It's just too bloody beautiful in Chicago to be working.  It's 73 degrees and

Yesterday, in the sweltering 72 degree sun-shiney day, I was washing my
windows to remove the 2 years of grime, and actually broke a sweat while
washing them buggers;  and all the while, I thought it appropriate to pull
out the illustrious Apple Venus Volume I, and take a spin while cleaning.
This is the appropriate time of the year for this album in my Humble opinion.
  A lot like Skylarking.

Not because I had to clean my windows, but because of the awakening of life
in it's transition from winter to spring. The whole *Easter* Theme.  Even the
bulbs below my front picture window are now beginning to peak out and
un-earth themselves....ah yes, walking on my hands into London...

I just can't listen to this album at any other time of the year though.  I
over-heard it after it's release one year ago (Happy Anniversary!) and it
really became dormant through summer, fall and winter.  Now, it's all I
listen to from the band.  Although, that was a lie, I have been rehearsing on
the kit to Black Sea, but enjoying the music in a different way, as opposed
to just listening to AV II and cleaning house....

This years purchases have been strange for me.  I have become a total and
unequivocal X-Files Mythology - junkie.  Watching re-runs and the weekly
show.  So I bought the score to the X Files Movie.  Mark Snow scored it and
produces most if not all of the shows' music.  It's just brilliant!  Mark
Snow is just brilliant.  His music is sooooooo emotional that you cannot help
but *FEEL* how the actors feel at a certain point in the show; besides which,
it's just so creapy that you feel a chill down your spine in addition to the
emotional connections you make with the actors.  Ok, done gushing now.

So after listening to that score for 56 times, which is a complete symphony
with synthesizers, I got the soundtrack from the movie next.  Then I fell in
love with a Foo Fighter's tune and had to go out and buy that CD, with the
original song on it, I think it's called *Walking away from you.*  Brilliant

It's funny how these things *domino* there way into to your catalogue, and
how your money keeps popping out of your wallet.

Picked up Homespun this year too.  I like it, but prefer the original.  I am
one of the 50% of the XTC clan who could take it or leave the demos I guess.
At least I have a copy and the proceeds went to the band.  I don't think
there is any band either from today or yester-years that I would acquire a
demo from other than XTC.  If that says something, then I guess I must be ok.


Bummer about the May 2000 release of AP II, or WASP STAR, or *Our Shiney
Hearts.*   I was thinking after listening to Vol. I, that the new album ought
to be out soon, until I read a few Chalk Digests this morning.  Oh well.  I
have waited a year, and can wait a few more months.

I hope this finds you all well, and in good spirits awaiting the new Album.

Best Regards,
John Gardner
Sunny and warm Chicago


Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:37:58 -0500
From: Mark Newberg <>
Subject: International Top 40
Message-ID: <>
Organization: @Home Network

One of the TV cable stations I can get here in Pittsburgh, Pa is The
International Channel where they show different nationality programming
without subtitles. It is very interesting watching a Chinese soap opera and
not knowing what they are talking
about it. It is also interesting to watch music videos from other cultures
and in languages other than English.

We complain about English bubblegum, synthesized music, but I have seen
French and Chinese/Japanese bubblegum, synthesized music being sung by boy
groups and hip gyrating twenty-somethings.

Just thought I'd make an observation,

Mark Newberg

Do I have to tell the story of a thousand rainy days since we first met,
It's a big enough umbrella but it's always me that ends up getting wet.


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:58:54 -0800
From: "Hiatt, Randy" <>
Subject: He's gonna blow!!
Message-ID: <>

Ed Kedzierski wretched:

"What's New" section of the Web site has me dumbstruck.
The record company wants a title change?
Which of the three record companies?
All of them?Where's this from?
There's been no digest for nearly three days
All this just fills me with worry.
I'm sure the last thing anyone wants to hear about is new label troubles,
after everyone thought that that sort of thing was done with once Virgin was
out of the picture,
especially if it means a more stressed-out Andy (and possible tensions
within the band as aresult, even though I know that that sort of
speculation isn't particularly cool...).
The possibility of a delayed release date was almost enough to make me cry
"NO!"  And the list... it seems like an awful long time since the last
Has the posting volume really been that low, or is the list in trouble?
I'd hate to have de-lurked just in time for everything to come to an
end...Also, I've been reading some back issues from last year, and
amdisheartened by the people who don't seem to be around
anymore... Whateverhappened to Amanda, the number one Dave fan? And I
haven't seen anythingfrom Dom for several digests now ...Concerned,Ed K.

Geeze ED!!  get back into the Orgone-Accumulator!!  NOW!!!

The new album title(s) suck but I don't care.
Who cares about the bassist for Wings anyway.
Thanks Peter and Mitch for the updates... I live for that stuff on this

Randy (who has never measured Dunks and is convinced he doesn't exist) Hiatt


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:36:04 -0800
From: Peter Fitzpatrick <>
Subject: Wasp Star....what Andy said........or what's in a name ?
Message-ID: <B9B4268C8F87D11195DC0000F840FABE12AF70EF@DUB-MSG-02>

I don't believe there was any "pressure" from any of the 3 labels to change
the title of the album.
The impression I got from Andy was that this was their collective decision -
it made sense to him.
He said something about it being their last chance with radio.

Wasp Star is Aztec for Apple Venus (at least I *think* that's what he said)


Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:07:37 -0800
From: "Diamond" <>
Subject: huh...
Message-ID: <>


Paul McCartney's publishing company MPL Communications North America and his
London spokesman, Geoff Baker, are denying involvement in a McCartney
tribute album that Internet reports say is to be released on an undetermined
independent label. The reports say the album will have tracks by Brian
Wilson, Foo Fighters, Neil Finn, Matthew Sweet, Ben Folds Five, and others.
"We are not mandating or working on any current Paul McCartney tribute
record," says a source at MPL. Baker says he is not aware of the record,
adding, "and I don't think Paul is either."
Andy Partridge of XTC, who according to reports had covered "Uncle
Albert/Admiral Halsey" for the set with a guest vocal by John Cleese, denies
any involvement in the project. "This is really annoying," he tells
Billboard Online, "because I had about six requests to do this and I just
tore them up. We don't want to get involved in any tribute records."
Partridge added that XTC last week completed its new album, to be titled
"Wasp Star (Apple Venus Vol. 2)" and released in May on their own Idea label
via Cooking Vinyl in the U.K. He describes the set as "a lovely row."

Kevin Diamond
"The universe does not have laws, it has habits, and habits can be broken."
            -Tom Robbins


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:39:49 -0800 (PST)
From: pancho artecona <>
Subject: Re: Orgazmo
Message-ID: <>

Hey all,

for what its worth, most psychiatrists are a bit
loony. Freud used to faint when in the presence of
people he felt 'threatened him' and he had a life-long
inability to visit Rome, he'd start having panic
attacks at the thought of approaching said city.

While many did think that Reich was a bit of a loon,
he is sort of the precursor of the various
'body-oriented' psychotherapies such as Breathing,
Rolphing and Primal Screaming among others. I guess
his most salient contribution was to look at the whole
body as opposed to just the brain as the source of
'psychic' conflict. You could say that while Freud
gave us the Oedipal Conflict, thanks to Reich we can
go around hitting chairs with styrofoam bats and
scream at the top of our lungs.

And Dunks bit about Burroughs was rather funny
methinks. Just because you are a great writer doesn't
mean you're sane. I do agree with WB about the
salutory effects of heroin though, the only problem is
all the crap that its cut with >; ) ........if only I
could get my hands on some of that pure stuff........

Anyway, back to the nod, it keeps me young.



Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:13:50 PST
From: "Duncan Kimball" <>
Subject: "My Pink Half of the Drainpipe ....
Message-ID: <>

... separates me from you"

Uh-oh - I've done it again!

>From: Nick Howorth <>
>Subject: Hi! Adolf Hitler on vibes....

>Hi Kids!
>          I'm World War Two's Adolf Hitler ...


Well Nick, you did give me a laugh - which is evidently more than I gave you
- and I appreciated the Bonzos reference. (Actually I recently saw a
fantastic clip of them doing "Canyons Of Your Mind" on the BBC ca. 1969,
which was utterly lovely. Dear old Viv.) I take your point Nick, though I'd
have to say that the comparisons to Hitler, Jorg Haider and Pinochet are,
shall we say, a tad hyperbolic?

My position? To quote a former history teacher of mine: "I disagree with
what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it. However, I
also defend MY right to say you're a bloody idiot for thinking so."

Am I closed-minded? I don't think so. I *am* an atheist, a cynic and a
skeptic (in the James Randi sense of the word). For some odd reason I tend
not accept at face value ideas which fly in the face of reason, common sense
and the laws of physics. No god, no master, magic doesn't happen.

I don't claim to know everything (yet), but I do claim to know a silly idea
when I see one, and Orgone Energy is right up there. I would never dream of
FORCING someone not to believe in such things, but I confess that it still
bugs the hell out of me that so many people can be sucked in by such
palpable nonsense, and I'm not afraid to say so. If that offends people, so
be it. Their views offend me likewise. As Big Bad Bill himself drily
observed (and you have to imagine this being expressed in Burroughs' own
dessicated drawl):

"Frankly, it's a fact that most people are stoopid."

So why does it bug me? Because I look to the bottom line - somewhere,
sometime, you find out that it's nothing more exalted than a con-trick. 99%
of the time it's about exploiting people's naivete to get money out of them,
or to exert some other form of control over them (Jonestown, Waco, Heaven's
Gate, bla bla bla). Actually I think it was unfortunate that Reich was
persecuted the way he was; he seemed harmless enough, especially when
compared to some of his more energetic contemporaries - like well-known
lifestyle consultant and hypnotist L. Ron Hubbard (Flame away, babies).

Auras? Telepathy? Faith healing? Levitation? Shucks, who am I to judge? Hey,
let's just throw 500 years of painstaking scientific endeavour out the
window and go with any old load of cobblers that some delusional con-artist
can dream up. It's just plain frustrating. Imagine how much the study of
pre-Columbian cultures would have benefitted if all the money that Erich Von
Daniken fleeced out of the  public with "Chariots Of The Gods" had been put
into archaelogical research?

Now, I don't blame people for wanting to believe in mystical or magical
ideas. The world is an ugly, dangerous, frightening, confronting place. Bad,
horrible things happen at random, every day. Just the other day a woman in
Sydney was stung to death by a swarm of bees, in the yard of her inner city
home, and her 12-month-old baby barely escaped death after being stung over
200 times. People seek refuge from such things, understandably, and try to
find a rationale (even though there isn't one) and some means of protecting
themselves, illusory though it may be.

I don't think that's wrong in itself. What I DO think is wrong is that there
is always a hard-core of mongrels (though I don't necessarily count Reich as
one of them) who seize on this and use it for their own gain. Yet, again and
again, I find that any attempt to challenge this situation is typically
characterised as a cruel, means-spirited, even fascistic attack on the very
people that are being exploited.

It's not about trying to *force* people to change their beliefs - it's about
trying to get people to realise that what they believe has no basis in fact,
and that they are being taken advantage of. Why is that such a bad thing?



Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:39:40 +0000
From: John Peacock <>
Subject: Off topic: That's the place for me
Message-ID: <>
Organization: The Nice Organization


> What do people think about the new Steely Dan disc? I like "Janie Runaway",
> "Gaslighting Abbie" and "Two against Nature", however I get a lot of 'shades
> of Kamakiriad' out of it.

Well, I *liked* Kamakiriad (after a hiatus of about three years when I
didn't even think about it - it sounds a lot better to me now than when it
came out), but I like Two Against Nature a whole lot more. It's one of
those records where I'm attracted to different tracks at different times -
at the moment it's West of Hollywood. I like What a Shame About Me hugely,
too. It's in my 2000 Top Ten, and it's only the 7th of March.

Oh, and I think Wasp Star sounds like a Robyn Hitchcock song. Probably a
very good Robyn Hitchcock song, though.


In the spirit of shameless self promotion, my songs may be found at:
"sell yourself, sell yourself, expect nothing" as a sage saith.


Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:59:43 -0800
From: Craig Vreeken <>
Subject: paranoid....much?
Message-ID: <>

Ed Kedzierski was dumbstruck by the lastest news.

>There's been no digest for nearly three days and
>usually (it seems) there's a more detailed post on the list before news
>like this goes onto the site...
>All this just fills me with worry.

Really?  Why should it?

>I'm sure the last thing anyone wants to
>hear about is new label troubles, ... especially if it
>means a more stressed-out Andy ... The possiblility of a delayed release
date >was almost enough to make me cry "NO!" out loud;

Heavens to Betsy!  You'd have thought someone told you that that mole on
your arm was incurrable cancer or something.  It's only a new CD!  You
waited 7 years for the last one.  Another month won't kill ya.

> And the list... it seems like an awful long time since the last
>digest. ... is the list in
>trouble? ...I'd hate to have de-lurked just in time
>for everything to come to an end...

Oh, now the list is in trouble.  The sky is falling!  It's the end of the

>Whatever happened to Amanda, the number one Dave fan?

Abducted by aliens.

>And I haven't seen anything
>from Dom for several digests now ...

I'm sure you will after this post.

>Ed K.

Ed, Ed, Ed.  You need to lighten up, buddy.  Let's have a little
perspective. The new CD will be out soon enough and I'm sure it will be
great and well worth the wait.  In the meantime, listen to something else
and be thankful you aren't dying of some horrible disease, locked up in
prison, or a citizen of Chechnya.
Craig Vreeken


Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:57:45 -0800
From: Ed Kedzierski <>
Subject: Orgonemania
Message-ID: <>

It seems to me that the mention of an interesting bit of mid 20th century
pop-psychology history (which is how I've always viewed the Reich/Orgone
thing) is growing into something much nastier than is really merited.
First of all, I don't particularly believe that there is such a thing as
"orgone energy" flowing around that can be collected in boxes. On the other
hand, there is a certain degree of merit to Reich's ideas concerning
repressed sexuality being the cause of some personal and social problems,
particularly at the time he first introduced them. He certainly didn't
deserve the ferocity of persecution that was dealt to him, which was more
rooted in the morals of the time than any passion for the preservation of
scientific truth. Duncan said something about orgone being the biggest crock
since crystals and feng shui; fair enough, but you don't see books on these
subjects being burned and their proponents thrown in jail. Perhaps in a
moment of levity you might say "yeah, burn all that crap", but who really
wants such an ugly scene to actually happen? The old goat was locked up in a
particularly excessive and brutal fashion (which is usually what a lot of
people have a problem with, more than any loyalty to his theories, though
there are still adherents). Taking Burroughs' endorsement of orgone as a
strike against it on account of his being a wife-killing junky seems besides
the point; you don't read Burroughs to look for role models. Even his
"non-fiction" is more often read for "look at the crazy shit this guy got
into" than "what would be some good things to get into?"
Of course, comparing someone to Hitler for saying any of this does seem a
few miles off the mark...

Ed "Mr. Wishy-washy windbag" Kedzierski

PS. Please excuse the panicky tone of my last post.


Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:57:49 GMT
From: "Riccardo Bachman" <>
Subject: Complete XTC concert in MP3 format - now online!
Message-ID: <>

Thanks to the goodwill of fellow Chalkhills member Kevin Keeler, the
complete 16 March 1982 XTC live performance in Genova, Italy is now online

Thanks to anybody who contacted me to offer help, web space etc.

Once again, I'm not interested in swapping/trading tapes or live CDs, so
although I appreciate feedback on this initiative, don't bother asking me
to send you a copy of the concert on CD.

If you want to have the concert on disc, it's easy enough to download the
files, convert them back to wav files and put them on a CD-R (though
you'll probably need two discs: total time is over 81 minutes).

I'm pretty sure I've got Andy Partridge's interview for the UK audio
magazine SFX somewhere in the house. Is anyone interested? I can try to
find it and give it the MP3 treatment as well...

Enjoy the music.


PS: maybe everyone already knows about this but I just noticed:
Wolkswagen's newest TV ad campaing for their car 'Lupo' features Frivolous
Tonight as its soundtrack. The ads have been running constantly on Italian
TV in the past few days on all major TV networks. I hope this brings a lot
of exposure (and royalties) to the band...


Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:37:16 -0600
From: "RNV" <>
Subject: an album by any other name
Message-ID: <>

hey all---

I've been lurking for a while and now that we're getting our knickers in
a knot over the new album's title, I thought I'd share my own tale of
deceit, unrequited love that ends in tragedy, and revenge from beyond the

Way back when, before AV1 had appeared, there was talk that it was going to
be called FIRE WORK. (Remember?) Well, I must say, that would have been a
great name for the upcoming rough-n-tough AV2/Shiny Wasp Heart (or
whatever). But what would I have liked to see as the title for the CD
currently and lovingly referred to as AV1?


Think of it. Lush, exotic, mysterious--perfect for the songs of AV1. But
that's not all. It carries on the grand but not very well-documented XTC
tradition of paired titles, of which there are quite a few. To wit:

drums & wires
oranges & lemons
generals & majors
paper & iron (notes & coins)
ball & chain
jason & the argonauts
me & the wind
pale & precious
punch & judy
chalkhills & children

ALSO--and here's the kicker--it's culled from the VERY SONG that broke
Andy's patience w/ Virgin and started the whole strike-thing in the first
place: the last single, smothered in the cradle.... How's that for
symbolism. But of course, I didn't actually tell anyone (except my friend
Jason, who's out there lurking right now, even as I type--hiya Jason--who
thought I should write Andy personally and tell him my idea or at least
canvas Chalkhills, take to the barricades, and generally raise a ruckus),
and now it's too late. But I assure you, unless AV2's new alternate title is
really really cool (and I confess I think "wasp star" is at least kinda
cool), the tapes I make for the car with be labelled "Parrots & Lemurs" and
"Fire Work".

Oh, and did I ever tell you about the time I bought "Song Stories"? Probably
not. Anyway, the news about Dave dropping out had been official for some
months, I think, when Song Stories was released. I rushed to the nearest
barnes & noble (an uncharacteristically small one--not even a coffee shop)
and, breaking my
"I-will-never-buy-anything-from-a-predatory-chainstore-ever-again" rule,
snatched up the only copy they--or any bookstore in a fifty mile

Now here's the weird thing. It was sort of defective. The cover of the book
is coated with a thin plastic sheet, which peels off a bit along the edges
as you read it. If you have a book like this then you know what I mean. But
mine must have been at the end of a production run or something, because
there is a strange translucent blue band running vertically down the front
cover. The blue part is not adhesive, and you can get a finger under it.
Also, it obscures Dave almost completely. If I were to peel off this
plastic, all the images would come partly off, rendering them almost
unrecognizable--except Dave. If I leave it (which I have), only Colin & Andy
are visible. Ooooh spooky. It's like that old rumor that if you soak the
cover of your Rubber Soul LP, Paul's face will come off. I knew someone who
tried this--after 1980--and *John's* face came off instead....  Okay, repeat
after me: I Buried Paul. 28 IF. I Am The Walrus--No you're not said Little

my shoe is off my foot is cold
now my story is all told



Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:03:09 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: Re: Oh Dear
Message-ID: <>

>From: Lawson Dominic <>
>Subject: Oh Dear
>>>to andy partridge - thank you so very much for allowing us that rare
>opportunity to meet you, to ask our questions and for your
>Oh, take your tongue out of his arse for God's sake!

dom, you are just unbelievable! silent for all these weeks and then
surfacing only to (once again) berate me for... for.. what? being thankful?
was that really necessary?

perhaps this is another example of your "humour", but i have found most of
your comments during my time here on chalkhills to be nothing less than
arrogant hostility.

why the hell you are even on this list, one that celebrates a band that
promotes tolerance and understanding, is beyond me. my only conclusion is
that you get some perverse thrill out of castigating other people from the
safety that distance and anonymity provides you.

grow up!

 peace & xtc,



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