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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 297

               Wednesday, 15 November 2000

Topics:

                 Hooray for Steve Wright!
                     Re: Video clips
                     barenaked truth
                     Happy Andy Day!
                Moment of earthly delight
                The Turkey and The Turkey
                      Strange siting
       YAZBEK peforms at the Knitting Factory 11/27
                          frogs
                         MOPTOPS!
                 KPEZ Tour Audio...TEST 2
                         Brrrrrp!
                 Re: A Farmboys Tamborine
                   I want my CD, NOW !
                Re: CDNow CDLater CDNever
                          10lbs.
                      Aimee and Ben
                   1st post/Dictionary
                       Secret Santa

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:41:54 -0800 (PST)
From: andrew sneddon <andrew_sneddon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hooray for Steve Wright!
Message-ID: <20001111184154.19537.qmail@web613.mail.yahoo.com>

Just finsihed dancing around the room with my confused
girlfriend to Senses Working Overtime on TOTP2.
Fantastic!

Andrew

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:24:04 -0500
From: MinerWerks <dminer@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Message-ID: <a04310100b632c40ad708@[63.23.163.186]>

In digest #6-294, Andrew Gowans suggested:

>In V.6 No.293 Mr Coolidge wrote about the use of video clips;
>
>>the only significant American video pioneer in the music business was
>>Todd Rundgren, who was using video to promote Utopia albums as early as
>>1982.
>
>Not to forget Mike Nesmith who created his hilarious 'Rio' video clip a few
>years earlier (@ 1977 ? - I'll dig out my old vinyl and check the date
>sometime). This also led to his 'Elephant Parts' special which garnered him
>an some awards (an Emmy ?). He also produced clips for Jimmy Buffett around
>then as well.

Nesmith's "Elephant Parts" (which includes "Rio") is dated 1981. The
DVD touts it as the recipient of the first ever Grammy for music
video. I suppose that particular clip may have been created earlier
and included in the long-form program after the fact.

>In all probability there is no definite originator of the video clip as a
>stand-alone product. The oldest 'filmclips' (pre-video) that I recall seeing
>are from around 1966-7, various Beach Boys from Pet Sounds, Pink Floyd'
>Astronomy Domine from Piper at the Gates of Dawn and (in Australia) The
>Master's Apprentices with Elevator Man.

I remember hearing about some very early precursors to today's "music
videos," even as far back as the beginnings of the "talkies." Aside
from working sound into features, I recall there were instances where
musical performances were filmed individually and put in something
like Nickelodeons...

Of course, if you want to talk about more contemporary "stand-alone"
music clips, in addition to the early ones you mentioned, The Beatles
did video tape some promos in 1965, around the time "Help!" was
released. By 1966, the Beatles and the Beach Boys had really jumped
into disjointed imagery and editing effects for these type of clips
(see "Paperback Writer" on the Beatles Anthology and "Sloop John B."
on the Beach Boys' "Endless Harmony" documentary).

= Derek =

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:54:19 AKST
From: "Patrick Adamek" <adamette1@hotmail.com>
Subject: barenaked truth
Message-ID: <F2743fzk76oJDEIXq2g00001cd4@hotmail.com>

Molly said in CHalkhills Vol. 6 #295:

>If this has been said before so bear with me.

>I just recently got into The Barenaked Ladies, and I noticed how >much they
>sound like XTC.  I love how their lyrics meld together.  Their
>lyrics to me are similar to XTC, they're very quirky, yet thoughtful.
>Take their latest single, "Pinch Me".  This song has XTC written all
>over it, at least to me.  I could picture Andy singing this song for
>some reason.

   I had the same type of experience with BNL about 3 years ago.  I went out
and picked up all of their albums, excited that I'd found a band that could
(?) hold a candle to what XTC is doing currently.  I listened for about 6
months and then...well...I just never turn to those CDs any longer when I
consider what to put in my CD changer.  To me, BNL is like XTC's not-as-good
cousin.  They are only o.k.  I would not run to a stereo to turn them off at
a party but they just lose something after 10 or 15 listens.  Now, compare
that to say...English Settlement...(which is completely unfair I know).  I'm
STILL discovering wonderful things about that album 20 years later!

those were my two cents on the topic.

Patrick

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:40:45 +0100
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Subject: Happy Andy Day!
Message-ID: <20001111233301.7DD2F3904E@mail.knoware.nl>

Dear Chalkers,

Britain is slowly sinking beneath the waves instead of ruling them,
and over in America the Republicans (sic!) seem hell-bent on
establishing a royal family, but there are more pressing matters at
hand!

Let's all congratulate ourselves with the umpteenth birthday of our
benevolent patron and prophet St. Andrew Of The Shed. May he live
long and prosper and all that...

I celebrated today with a visit to a large international record fair in
search of some XTC treasure. But the going was tough ans the
pickings were slim...

Combing the stalls for hours and hours did not bring up more than a
new edition of the Kings For A Day bootleg (with totally different
artwork and pretty silkscreened disk) and the Stupidly Happy promo
cdsingle.

I was just about to call it a day and go home unsatisfied when i
stumbled across a real "find"; two Portugese 7" singles (Sgt. Rock
and Senses) in good condition and at a fair price. Yummy!
The Sgt Rock is very welcome in particular, this Portugese pressing
with it's unique b-side tracklisting, was the only S.R. single still
missing from my collection. I always like it best when i can "fill a
gap" like this and of course i have a special bond with this release
anyway

So when i also managed to get back home just in time to record
XTC's mimed TV performance of "Senses"  from February 1982 Top
Of The Pops on TOTP2  i did feel very satisfied and almost in XTC :)

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse  www.come.to/xtc

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:15:54 EST
From: Jxnsmom@aol.com
Subject: Moment of earthly delight
Message-ID: <51.3535a76.273f110a@aol.com>

I just experienced a most delightful XTC moment (aren't they all?). I was
digging through my albums (I literally had to move a couch and battle cobwebs
to get to them...don't see them very often since the CD player came along) to
pull out some ELP, and what's just to the left of it but a used copy of
Psonic Psunspot. Now on any given day, this would be a happy occurence, but
it's even more happy because I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I OWNED IT!! I think my
brother bought it for my husband many years ago before we were married, and
he never got into it because it didn't say "XTC" on it, filed it away, and
then it got blended into the community album collection after the wedding and
carted to the basement. Here was this treasure all along, waiting to be
discovered on this fortuitous day! Needless to say, I didn't bother pulling
out the ELP, and the Dukes are on high volume!

Amy

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Date: 13 Nov 2000 06:17:02 -0800
From: unna@worldmailer.com
Subject: The Turkey and The Turkey
Message-ID: <20001113141702.24295.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net>

Hello Chalk Folk! Well, I can't resist nonsense. So, for your eating
enjoyment I humbly submit, to the tune of TWATM, The Turkey and The
Turkey!

I'll set the table if you fill the glasses.
I'll  slice the bread loaf if you'll the butter get.

I'll chop the celery if you'll peel the onions,
Take them both with bread crumbs and place them in the biiiiiiiirrrrd.

And if the oven won't hold our bird
If the oven won't hold our turkey
If the oven wont hold our bird
Then we'll use the barbecue.

If the oven won't hold our bird,
If we can't squeeze in our turkey
If the oven won't hold our bird
Then we'll use the barbecue.

(six, seven, eight!)

Turkey! Turkey! Turkey!
All golden brown, I love to eat the skin c my favorite!

Turkey! Turkey! Turkey!
White meat so lovely with a drop of gravy tumbling down

And running to my spuds. Gravy running round to meet the veggies.
Veggies mix with sauce! Eat some cranberry that's mixed with turkey.

And what made me think I'd keep them separate.
And what made me think they would taste better
If they weren't mixed up
Of course they'll get mixed uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup!

Turkey!

Happy Harvest Festival!

theunna

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:23:56 -0400
From: Andrew Boyle <uscolor@uscolor.com>
Subject: Strange siting
Message-ID: <v04210106b635fd85a8a8@[192.168.0.3]>

Hello all,

So, I am doing some surfing and, quite by accident, land on this page:

http://cartoonnetwork.com/spaceghost/reviews/010300/reviews.html

Scroll down to the 2nd review. I wasn't even looking for anything
close to this.

Odd. But funny.

Andrew "No, I didn't have anything to do with the recount!" Boyle
Orlando, FL

But it is Democracy in action. Stop whining. Let the count finish.
Deal with the law and final results. Please.

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:42:06 -0700
From: Jillian Reitsma <jillian@war.com>
Subject: YAZBEK peforms at the Knitting Factory 11/27
Message-ID: <B635D86E.3A2C%jillian@war.com>

Hey everyone don't miss YAZBEK..

Monday, November 27th
KNITTING FACTORY
74 Leonard Street New York, NY
Call 212.219.3006 for more info.
9:00PM SHARP
$16adv/$18dos
ALL AGES

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 01:08:45 +0800
From: The Worrier Queen <myrone@tesco.net>
Subject: frogs
Message-ID: <3A10201C.EC5549A8@tesco.net>

yes frogs.

Gentle Chalkfolk

I've been playing ES recently and comparing the CD booklet
with my vinyl copy.  What happened to the band photos?

This isn't my question.

This is.

On Knuckledown Mr P is credited with "frog".

Now as Rory pointed out ages ago, there's a slight theme of
damaging animals: wounding horses and shaking up donkeys
come to mind.
Is a frog an exotic Patagonian nose flute or instrument of
another kind?  Or should we be sending around the RSPCA or
other animal protection agencies?

confused
Jayne the Worrier Queen
He Toi Whakairo He Mana Tangata: Where there is artistic
excellence there is human dignity - Maori saying
Salmagundie can be found at www.stas.net/myrone/shrine.html

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:32:09 +1100
From: "Culnane, Paul" <Paul.Culnane@DCITA.GOV.AU>
Subject: MOPTOPS!
Message-ID: <17E19E6D5085D41196240000E896881D146B33@g5dccbr0ms01.dcita.gov.au>

Folx

Have a look at the new Fabs' website (http://www.thebeatles.com) . It's
quite groovy. Takes a bit to get the hang of how all the elements work but
once you do it's got lots of stuff to explore. Alas, they haven't put the 24
video clips up yet, as promised.  But I guess they wanted to launch the site
to coincide with the release of the new album. Worth bookmarking to
eventually see the clips.

~~Paul McCulnane

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:10:58 -0800
From: "Wes Long" <wlong2@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: KPEZ Tour Audio...TEST 2
Message-ID: <002101c04e01$a84c9960$fb5b1918@carolina.rr.com>

Last we spoke the Nazi's at Xdrive shut down my attempt to provide the
masses with free XTC audio.  This is my second attempt:

http://www.myplay.com/mp/locker/tracks.jsp?sort=7&vw=rec

Give it a shot & let me know if it works for ya,

wesLONG

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:40:38 EST
From: KINGSTUNES@aol.com
Subject: Brrrrrp!
Message-ID: <f7.48ce8c1.27421c46@aol.com>

Chalkublicans,
Let me post this now so I don't have to agonize over it anymore!

We're All Stuffed!

Don't you know
'bout a zillion bites ago
Some bird cooked
Now they're calling us to the feast action
Don't you know
Thanks and Giving bites ago
Some Pilgrim cleaned his plate
And saw his reflection

Don't you know we're all stuffed
Yeah, I ate much someplace
Don't you know we're all stuffed
Yeah, I ate a fast pace
So you won't mind if I eat some more
Before indigestion gets rough
Don't you know on this holiday
We're all stuffed!

Don't you know
'bout the fingertips you lick
Is a universe of gravy
That thinks your real bloating
Don't you know
Just a couple more, you're sick
>From a celebration'ry bird feast
And your insides are jumping
Don't you know we're all stuffed
Yeah, I ate a fast pace
Don't you know we're all stuffed
Yeah, some rib sticker someplace
So you won't mind if I belch right now
We may hear the bowels recite
Don't you know on this holiday
We're all stuffed!

And I will take from you
What you can't finish now
And I'll leave nothing here
That you can't use upon your plate
I will take from you
What you can't finish now
And I'll leave nothing here
But yams and sauce a plenty
With the pee-a-ee-a-ee-a-ee-ee-eeas!

Don't you know 'pon the pile of food in sight
We dove with knife and fork and too soon we're unable
Don't you know Thomas Turkey's skinned and light
We're picking at our teeth as soon as he's left the table
So you won't mind if I leave you now
And maybe go to sleep for the night
Don't you know on this holiday
We're all stuffed!

You know what you ate               (And I will take from you)
Is no longer on your plate
And if you just had some more
You'd be falling on the floor
If it's more than a lot                   (What you can't finish now)
You'll be running to the pot
And the stuff just pours out!
Oh, we're all stuffed!
Pump me now
Just pump me now!
******************
And while we're on the subject of indegestion:

(Sung to the tune of 'Happy Days Are Here Again!')

Happy days will have to wait!
Who it's gonna be is up for debate
While the ballots sit locked up in a crate
Happy days will have to wait!

Why waste our time to stay up so late
We could do much worse than procrastinate
No one worth a damn is a candidate!
Happy days will have to wait!

Bush and Gore are all we could find?
We must all be out of our minds!

So while we wait for the brother's state
To decide for us our great country's fate
Please excuse me while I regurgitate!
Happy days will have to wait!
**************************
Mangia, Tom Kingston

I've had eight years of Clinton, now I'm Bushed (?!?!?!?!?)
Or would I rather be Gored.....
Maybe both turkeys should be........STUFFED!

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:48:54 EST
From: Sampleant@aol.com
Subject: Re: A Farmboys Tamborine
Message-ID: <36.dfd269b.27421e36@aol.com>

Does anybody know if it was Andy or Dave playing tamborine on Love On A
Farmboys Wages. Thanks Ant

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:03:46 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <aso1@mocha.ocn.ne.jp>
Subject: I want my CD, NOW !
Message-ID: <000001c04df8$ddd31400$635791d2@johnboud>

Brent Dougans had a heapful of trouble with CD NOW . I had my share of
trouble with CD Universe and as a result will no longer deal with THEM .
They would not exchange a defective video I got from them , and then
promptly refused to respond to my emails ( I am in Japan which is why I did
not phone them ) . They completely cut off communcation until months later ,
when they emailed to inform me that their Mastercard files had been gotten
into by hackers and it was " possible " that MY info was now in the hands of
crooks !

Sushiman

"There is nothing which has yet been contrived by man by which so much
happiness is produced as by a good tavern or inn".
Samuel Johnson, 1776

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:30:07 -0600
From: "Damian Wise (Foulger)" <damian@imclaser.com>
Subject: Re: CDNow CDLater CDNever
Message-ID: <3A11061F.490.371477@localhost>

Brent wrote about CDNow giving him the run around.  In
CDNow's defence about the same time that Brents hassles
began, I used a $10 off offer from CDNow and received my
merchandise without any problems.  Just thought that I'd let
people know.  I have no affliliation with CDNow, yadda yadda
yadda.

Dames tWd

Omnis Fecit Luce Amplificator a Stimulato Emicando Radiorum

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Date: 15 Nov 2000 06:07:39 -0800
From: unna@worldmailer.com
Subject: 10lbs.
Message-ID: <20001115140739.12752.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net>

Dearest Chalkopolitans, I was recently lucky to hear WRNR Annapolis,
MD play "Castaway on a desert island..". The joy I felt inspired me to
share some love with my favorite people - YOU! So, here is a two-fold
post - part bumble nova, part nagging health reminder! To the tune of
Playground, I submit to you "10lbs."

I reach up, stretching sideways
then stretch down to reach my toes again.
Then repeat the whole procedure,
take a breath and then repeat again.

10lbs.
Must lose 10lbs.
The holidays are coming
With all the cakes and goodies.

10lbs.
Must lose 10lbs.
Come on and lets get ready
Get ready for 2 months of fooooooooood.

Watch the pies get carried out (1 by 1)
Leaving you with barely enough room to breathe.
Thanksgiving leads to Christmas time.
To celebrate we all have to eat - and have seconds, please.

So be sure to raise your heart rate.
And be sure to keep your muscles stretched.
Maybe build a calorie deficit.
At least make sure that you can see your feet.

10lbs.
Nearly 10lbs.
That's the average weight gain
From eating my Mom's cooking.

10lbs.
Don't want 10lbs,
Of holiday butter and sugar.
Please help me maintain discipline.

You may love treats but they'll never love you!

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:09:16 -0500
From: "Benjamin A. Gott" <bgott@bowdoin.edu>
Subject: Aimee and Ben
Message-ID: <B6381F5C.2458%bgott@bowdoin.edu>

Gang,

There's an Aimee Mann interview in The Onion's AV section:

[ http://avclub.theonion.com ]

There are also new Ben Gott MP3s at MP3.com:

[ http://www.mp3.com/BenGott ]

Ain't I shameless?

I'm playing "Skylarking" now on the big stereo in our living room, and my
three suitemates are *all* singing along.  In fact, Chad was just dancing to
"Grass" (a song that I thought was pretty un-danceable, but what the heck do
I know?)

-Ben

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:25:02 -0700
From: Angie Kelson Packer/Shaun Packer <nick@aros.net>
Subject: 1st post/Dictionary
Message-ID: <3A12D4FE.5C9A73F0@aros.net>

Good snowy morning (at least from here!). Virgin (is that a bad word
here, as in V. records <G>) post after lurking for a bit.

There's been much discussion about the power of the "longing look,"
which is powerful indeed, but what about AV1 "Your Dictionary" final
line, "and our marriage be undone."I got all teary-eyed first time I
really heard it. The marriage is not simply over, but completely
undone. When something is over,it still exists even in an imperfect
state. When something is undone, all that it has created disappears.
If I were to knit a sweater and was done with it, if I finished it,
I would have a (very probably misshapen and unwearable) garment. But,
if I undid all my knits and purls whatever I had made would physically
disappear. And that, to me, is tragic, the thought that an intimate
relationship, and all it entailed is --poofc just gone. Or is all
this way too obvious?

A twist on the "Harvest Festival" thread, it is currently my 6-year
old daughter's favorite song and she repeatedly belted out the
chorous at her first grade class harvest festival party, which
replaced the traditional Halloween party banned by our overly
conservative PTA. My 5-year old is partial to `the Peter Pumpkinhead
song' and has taught what he makes of it to his 2-year old brother.
The two of them  jump on my bed, singing, and I haven't the heart
to tell them to knock it off. Methinks there might be something
amiss with my parenting skills <G>. Sorry, I know people with small
children are incredibly obnoxious.

I'm glad for this site, and the sometimes vigorous discussions!
Forgive me for rambling, and any other missteps. I've had way too
much coffee this morning. Bad Girl.

Yrs
Angie

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Date: 15 Nov 2000 12:54:24 -0800
From: unna@worldmailer.com
Subject: Secret Santa
Message-ID: <20001115205424.23920.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net>

Dearest Chalkoholics,  Tis' the season to Bumble Nova! And, while this
one may be a bit on the sour side, it's meant to be light and
airy. Set to the tune of "Church of Women" I give you "Secret Santa".

A gift for a gift and a dis' for a dis'.

Merry Christmas I'm your Secret Santa I bought you a gift for under-er-$15.
Hope you like it c 2 for 1 at Rite Aid c I'm keeping the other-er-er.
Wrapped it up, wrapped it up, had no time to wrap it up,
So I used the Rite Aid bag.

I'm in my wallet counting.

Want to end this thing called Secret Santa.
Want to save my money for my families gifts.
Want to end this tradition,
Want to give gifts when I want to give them.

Secret Santa is forcing the feeling of Christmas and loving-ing-ing.
Dollar limit so low anyway that it's best to buy nothing-ing-ing.
Feels so wrong, feels so wrong, cuz' we never got along,
But it's your name that I drew.

I've got this smile I'm faking.

Want to wish you a fantastic Christmas.
Want to give the gift that always reminds you of me.
I'm your Secret Santa Claus.
I'll buy the best damn gift I can, for $15!

A gift for a gift and a dis' for a dis'.
I want to end this farce of Secret Santa's giving gifts!
And stop acting like the Christmas season revolves
Around office co-workers!

So let's get things right!
We never liked
Each other but let's fake it
For the sake of
This here office party.

Thanks friends! Your indulgence is greatly appreciated!
(XTC content? I'm currently overplaying "Push me off to start the fun,
on a bike ride to the moon!")

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