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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 292

                Saturday, 28 October 2000

Topics:

                  Man Machine No Mystery
                        Sgt. Rock
                    Thanksgiving song
                       xtc xmas cd
        looking for travel tips. (No XTC content)
ok, one final thought and I'll shut up about the religion issue already
                  Jus' lil ol' me again!
         Religion,Politics ....but no XTC...AGAIN
                  The Dead Chicken Test
               The Full Monty on Broadway!
                 Covers (was Re: Poozies)
                       Turkey Pluto
                     Mis-heard Lyrics
                   Partridge in Tape Op
                   Emitt Rhodes/Q?/Fano
                   bumbling towards XTC
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:02:30 EDT
From: Hbsherwood@aol.com
Subject: Man Machine No Mystery
Message-ID: <ce.c498a4b.2729f5e6@aol.com>

Rich Hamilton, in a wonderfully thought-provoking post, writes:

>The song ultimately succeeds,
>however, (is "sublime"), not as a result of what the look "means", but
>rather in what the look MIGHT mean. The purposeful ambiguity of the key
>phrase (its meaningless-ness) is precisely what seems to make it meaningful.
>Ultimately, the "look" raises more questions than it answers (as I think
>it was intended, but that's another issue....).

Well, that's what I get for posting contentiously about something as vague as
one artist's definition of something as vague as "God" based on something as
vague as a few lines of song-lyric...!

I don't agree that the Longing Look is ambiguous or deliberately meaningless.
As is plain, AV1 is chock-full of pre-Christian imagery, of Green Men and
Easter and Odin climbing Yggdrasil and sons dying so that fathers can be
born, flowers climbing erect, of applauding new life and the whole Golden
Bough ball of wax. Harvest Festival, the penultimate (not to say "climactic")
song on the record concerns itself once again with nature-worship, but this
time in a context where it's been robbed of its meaning by modernity (the
very same alienation from nature decried in "River of Orchids," in fact). The
Longing Look *re-infuses* religiosity back into the festival, revalidates the
pre-Christian notion that carnality is a manifestation of the very same
spirit that cycles the seasons and grows the crops--the same spirit, indeed,
that at *true* Harvest Festivals would send the young men and women of the
village scampering into the rye-fields for a little Sympathetic-Magic
rogering after a jolly goat-sacrifice or two.

(Not that there's anything *wrong* with that. I sometimes fear I missed my
era.)

>The bridge in the song is in stark contrast to the naive symbolism promoted
>by the festival ("What a year when the exams and crops all failed"),
>representing an aberration or arrested development of growth ("we all grew
>and we got screwed and scratched our nails").

(Quick note: It's "screwed and cut and nailed." The tree, once grown wild, is
tamed and made into lumber by an uncaring carpenter. Brilliant economy!)

I think your point actually buttresses my interpretation. By expressing it
this way, the singer implies that the failure to act upon the Longing Look
was the very agent that caused the crops to fail! Failure to act on the Look
caused misery in the life of the boy who received it--and now, just like a
mad dog, he's chasing his tail in a circle. Notice the masterful symmetry:
the fertility and abundance available to the beatified boy ("more than enough
to keep me fed all year") as opposed to the "failed crops" of the bridge,
when the Bestower of the Look has relinquished her gift.

>The "invitation in gold pen"
>comes "out of nowhere" to bring the song back to the verse and (this time)
>the ritual of marriage ("see that you two got married"). Apparently, the
>speaker is unaffected by this news as is indicated by his simple response,
>"I wish you well" (hardly the words of a someone in love).

Oh, here I disagree vigorously. These words are wonderfully psychologically
insightful: can't you hear the manfully swallowed lump in the throat, the
choked-back tear, the catch in the breath? This is the manly
"stiff-upper-lip" response to the devastating news: the Bestower is now not
only absent but irrevocably lost! He has always deeply regretted his failure
to act, and the wedding invitation is the final nail in the coffin that
contains the infinite possibilities that accompanied his youth. It is a sad,
sad moment.

>Instead, the
>speaker returns to the recollection of that look, which at this point seems
>to be the only shred of meaning that remains from the harvest festival
>of his youth.

An infant girl, when born, already contains within her body all the ova that
she will ever produce. That is to say, that all the possible children she
will or will not give birth to, are contained within her even as she herself
is being born. She is, in a way, a vessel that contains all her ancestors (in
her DNA) and her descendants (in those ova). She connects the future to the
past.

I find this to be a rather mystical idea: The jewel is in the lotus.

When this infant girl grows up, and bestows The Longing Look on some lucky
but hapless boy, she is playing out a timeless dance that is (or ought to be)
identical to that played out by her ancestors yea even unto the thousandth
generation, and that will be played out by as many generations of humans as
are lucky enough to inhabit this lovely planet after she leaves it.

I think Andy Partridge finds *this* to be a mystical idea--that women
participate in history in a way that is incomprehensible to men. I think that
this idea, which appears in his songwriting all the way back to "Down in the
Cockpit" (hell, "Battery Brides" touches on it), is central to understanding
him as an artist--and no doubt as a person as well.

I think that The Longing Look itself is an invitation--sure, in gold pen, why
not!--to Worship at the Church of Women:

     Now let's put things right
     Let's multiply
     The loaves and kisses
     'Til we have enough to love and eat forever

(There's that identity between food and love again! Was he perhaps weaned
from the breast too soon?)

Harrison "Suddenly I've got a yen for a Little Debbie Snack Cake" Sherwood

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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:31:46 -0400
From: Sylvan <psiogen@mindspring.com>
Subject: Sgt. Rock
Message-ID: <39F8B0D1.5E451BD@mindspring.com>
Organization: ttp://www.sportingnews.com/baseball/

Not sure whether this is common knowledge or not, but I just found out
that there was actually an old comic book put out by DC called Sgt. Rock,
a very silly war hero who went around killing hundreds of incompetent
German soldiers (although every issue ended with an anti-war message,
presumably to get the approval of the good censors at the Comics Code.)
The ancient issues I read featured some truly classic dialogue, including
possibly the funniest ever usage of the word "consternation". Well, that's
about it. Excuse me while I give Black Sea another spin...

--
Sylvan
"The hamster is still dead." --Leonard Nimoy

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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:48:25 -0400
From: "squirrelgirl" <squirrelgirl@hitter.net>
Subject: Thanksgiving song
Message-ID: <000201c03f9f$79f31e60$1a48c0cf@meredith-s>

Howdy 'Hillians!

Sung to the tune of Boarded Up:

Bake him up
Yeah we'll bake him up
Stuff him up
Yeah we'll bake him up
Mr. Turkey has had his day
No more with other Toms will he play
Put him in the oven and cook him today
'Cos we'll bake him up
Yeah we'll stuff him up
Baste and brown him up
Yeah we'll bake him up...

SG

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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:32:56 -0700
From: "Hiatt, Randy" <Randy.Hiatt@fsbti.com>
Subject: xtc xmas cd
Message-ID: <F34536084B78D311AF53009027B0D7EAE3DBC2@fsbex01.fsbti.com>

Derek,

Been away from the list ...

I might have a song to be added.  But first must consult the real musicians
I know (I'm a drummer).

Randy Hiatt

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 02:49:13 GMT
From: "Gary White" <garwhite@hotmail.com>
Subject: looking for travel tips. (No XTC content)
Message-ID: <F2632lisuJnOVHKgGca00001ab2@hotmail.com>

Hello fools on the hill.

I will be attending a conference in Minneapolis, first week of November. I'm
looking for some travel tips from the locals - so if your taste for food,
live entertainment, nightlife, etc...matches your taste in music (obviously
impeccable judging by your mere presence on this mailing list), drop me a
line off-list.

You'll know me by the Canadian Maple Leaf on my napsack.

Gary

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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:04:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com>
Subject: ok, one final thought and I'll shut up about the religion issue
Message-ID: <20001027030425.9783.qmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com>

already
Thank You Marty van Rappard for posting a response to
sushiman's charge that I was prejudiced to label that
book (whatever the hell it's called) 'possibly
biased'.

you said everything I wanted to say, in nearly the way
I would have said it.

Had I not been overtired and overworked when I read
that one, I may have answered it myself.

'nuff said, i'll take a vow of silence on the
god/religion issue. Won't wear a tonsure, though.

Tyler

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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:18:15 -0400
From: "Brian" <mattone@bhip.infi.net>
Subject: Jus' lil ol' me again!
Message-ID: <000901c03fc4$8cde6960$760bffd1@Brian>

Tschalkgerz!

>I don't give a rat's ass what your views on religion or lyrics are --
>you have as much right to them as anyone else. But you should treat
>others as you expect to be treated ... in the interest of maintaining
>SOME civility.

>Or you should just shut the fuck up.

Or not.
Read on.

>Still, things are calming down, thank God (or not). Sorry, couldn't
>resist!  That was a joke, OK?

OK!

>To which BM replied, in #5-176:
>>Man, Curtiss, did you ever listen to (or read) the lyrics to "No Thugs In
Our House"?
>>They are quite clear on the matter.
>>Juvenile delinquency of the typical order, with Judge Dad yanking No.1
>>son's ass out of the fire.<

>Hmmm ... little tolerance, it seems, for Curtiss' "personal take on XTC
song lyrics."<

Granted... but in this case, am I not in the 'right' with the
interpretation?
Apparently I was 'wrong' before, but near as I can tell, I was 'right' that
time.
If I can be 'wrong' about song lyric interpretation, then so can someone
else.

-Brian Matthews
http://www.stonetrek.com
Insistence ain't existence.

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:25:54 +0100
From: davebancroft@cwctv.net
Subject: Religion,Politics ....but no XTC...AGAIN
Message-ID: <082183020091ba0DTVMAIL12@smtp.cwctv.net>

hi chalkhillers,must some of you stoop tothe two things that cause
unrest in theworld.  If the boys could knock out analbum every two
months,I'm sure that would keep the drivelmongers away from this
digest.one can dream

kind regards, DAVE

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:35:45 EDT
From: Chauncy14@aol.com
Subject: The Dead Chicken Test
Message-ID: <10.40f3f95.272aecc1@aol.com>

Hello Chalk-clan,

I could not resist sending this to you all, just hoping this breaks the ice
on certain tensions on the digest.
-------------
To describe the importance of careful follow-through on safety programs,
Thomas Krause told the story of the Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA)
"dead chicken launcher."

The FAA uses the launcher to test windshields of planes to make sure they
won't break if they hit a bird (in flight).

The contraption works well.  Which is why British Rail decided to borrow the
contraption to make sure railroad cars had strong windshields too.

Workers at British Rail launched a chicken, but it crashed through the
windshield and an electrical panel before coming embedded in a wall inside
the train's cockpit.

Surprised, BR asked the FAA to investigate what had gone wrong.

The FAA wrote up a report in one sentence:  "Always thaw the chicken!"
------
Jamie Lowe:  Thank you VERY MUCH for the XTC demos on CD-R you sent me.  I
can't thank you enough!  I am really enjoying The Red Lion Demos and songs
like "Down a Peg," "Don't want to be here," "Ship trapped in ice," and
"Prince of Orange."  Wonderful stuff.

Cheers from Chicago,
John Gardner

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:43:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ira Lieman <ilieman@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Full Monty on Broadway!
Message-ID: <20001027174400.24017.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all...

The Full Monty, music and lyrics by Chalkhillian David Yazbek, opens
this week on Broadway...and the New York Times LOVED it. This is
usually a good sign. It gives high marks to Yazbek's music on keeping
the audience involved even when the script gets a little kitch-y.

Quote from the article that's too long to post here:
"Mr. Yazbek's ambitions are not lofty. He isn't trying to reinvent
the organic musical or to out-Sondheim Sondheim. His formula is to
infuse variations on top-40 styles, from the 1950's to the present,
with Broadway brassiness. This gives his songs an air of immediate
accessibility, even recognizablity. But they aren't the blatant
pastiches that the numbers in, say, "Grease!" are."

Read the full review (free registration required) at
http://nytimes.com/2000/10/27/arts/27MONT.html
and I'll post my own review after I get a chance to see it.

Later,
-ira

BTW: Joe Jackson's new "Night and Day II" is really cool. :)

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:46:00 -0400
From: Andrew Boyle <uscolor@uscolor.com>
Subject: Covers (was Re: Poozies)
Message-ID: <v04210103b61f96df8392@[192.168.0.3]>

Up for air!

> Well S, I have heard a couple of XTC covers and I tell ya I will see
> your Poozies and raise you "Making Plans for Nigel" by the Burning
> Heads.

> Good lord man, I had the sad misfortune to be browsing on everybodies
> favorite "file sharing" website,and came across a lamentable version of
> "Nigel" by none other than that meek mannered and humble chap...Robbie
> Williams.

I, too downloaded all of it. I have to keep it! I love things so bad
they are at least interesting. It is pretty limp. I guess you could
at least say it is still a little flattering.

Now, when you are done laughing, I raise and see you:

Pitchshifter - Making Plans for Nigel
Primus - Making Plans for Nigel
Primus - ScissorMan
Crash Test Dummies - Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead

A bit of fun.
__________________________

Thanks to those who clarified the school system for me. I think
America would do well to adopt a separate track for those who just
cannot excel in academia and just wish to get on with their working
lives as early as 15.
__________________________
Guess what I almost have in my hands?

Andrew Boyle
Orlando, FL

Bummmmmmmble!Nova (I am too tired to be clever. Sorry.)

P.S. To Sir Demon Brown: THANK YOU! I have made my own sleeves for
Drunken Sessions and Live in Amsterdam and am really enjoying the
files.

Back under!

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:34:39 GMT
From: "Xteve X" <xteve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Turkey Pluto
Message-ID: <F585nWGsRw17kCiULm9000034e6@hotmail.com>

With hearty apologies to Mr. Partridge, here goes:

I've got the giblets if you've got the gravy
I've got the stuffing if you've the turkey's neck
I've got the yams if you've got the taters
Kids out to play and I'll to it that they don't buuuuuurn

And if the pot won't hold this bird,
If the pot won't hold this bii-i-ird
If the pot won't hold this bird,
Then we'll roast it in the ground . . . .what a meal!

I've got the Cowboys, if you've got the Lions,
I've got the point spread if you've the kicker's name
I've got the beer if you've got the glasses
Get fairly drunk, then pass out from tryptopha-aaaaane

And if the pot won't hold this bird,
If the pot won't hold this bii-i-ird
If the pot won't hold this bird,
Then we'll baste it til it's brown . . . .what a meal!

Jell-O! Jell-O! Jell-O!
In cubes or molds you wiggle round, in colors streaming
Jell-O! Jell-O! Jell-O!
In red or green you're rarely seen at tables to-daaay
And now the grace we say . . . .yes,
Now the grace we say,
Murmurings an hour or two long
Words of thanks we pray,
Hunger in us building, it's so strong
And what made me drink that last Corona?
And what would I give to get near sober?
Was my wife so peeved?
When I drooled upon her slee-e-e-eeve?

Jell-O! Jell-O! Jell-O!
With fruit or nuts or carrots peeking,
Jell-O! Jell-O! Jell-O!
With Cosby's aid we soon will say no-waaaaay
To pumpkin pies today . . .Land O' Lakes and sugar in the crust
Petit fours brought in, now I feel I am about to bust,
And what made me take my belt asunder,
Open up my pants and belch like thunder,
What a feast to please . . .even crackers and the
cheeee-eeeeeee-eeeeeee-EEEEEEEEEZE

Jell-O . . .

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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:42:43 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <rory_wilsher@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Mis-heard Lyrics
Message-ID: <20001027234243.24630.qmail@web1501.mail.yahoo.com>

Hillsters

Sir Smudge Of Croydon opined:

>A final point, I think the lyric is either:
>
>"We all grew and we got screwed and cut and nailed"
>
>or
>
>"We all grew and we got screwed and curtain nailed"

Yes! Yes! Yes! This is what I heard for AGES! Then I
discovered Chalkhills lyrics page, and got the right
one! Still trying to figure out exactly how you would
use a "curtain nail".

Not wishing to sound curmudgeonly, and ever mindful of
"netiquette", I'd like to point out that when quoting
XTC lyrics it's not TOO difficult to check out the
lyrics page on Mr. Relph's wonderful site. In this
case, however, I think a few of these are appropriate:
;-) ;-P. You're extracting the urine, ain'tcha?

Oh God (sorry, we're not supposed to be mentioning Him
now), you've got me started...

The (mis-heard) titles of Skylarking:

Sumner's Cauldron: Sting's forays into the Amazonian
rain forest end in tragedy at the hands (mouths?) of
cannibals...
Arse: describes U2's output since "War". "It would
shock U2...(thanx, Jayne!)" - not enough to record a
listenable album, apparently.
The Eating Place: a song about a restaurant.
That's Nearly Super, Supergirl: Whilst "Superman" is a
fairly appalling film, "Supergirl" must be charting
high in the "Worst Films Of All Time" category.
Redeeming feature: Peter Cook camping it up as the
baddie.

Editorial Interruption: I had loads of these for
Ballet For A Rainy Day. In the end, I couldn't choose
between these two, so (ya lucky devils!) you get
both...

Rally For A Mainland Gay: The Hebridean gay community
(membership: 1) marches for consummation.
Chalet For A Rainy May: A typical sojourn at Butlins.
1000 Elm Fellers: The ancient art of carving a
boyfriend out of elm wood is experiencing a revival,
apparently.
Fees On Cycle: A new government initiative to impose
road tax on bicycles was unveiled today. Who's pushing
the pedals? Why, it's Gordon "stealth tax" Brown, of
course! (Oo-er! A bit of politics there!)
Churn Enough For Us: In this, AP eerily predicts the
butter shortage caused by his 2000 lyric recommending
its use as a building material for churches.
Aaaaarrghhh! Religion again!
Pig Tails: A celebration of bizarre hairstyles.
Another Bakelite: A collector of antique radios gives
us an insight into his world.
Germaine Smiled: Yes! The Hebridean gay community (see
"Rally For A Mainland Gay") caught the attention of a
girl in an Edinburgh bar. OK, hands up - how many
assumed she was a feller?
The Man Who Sailed Around His Coal: The difficulties
of building a boat in your back yard are well
documented - particularly getting it through the door
to the sea, post-construction ("Shit. I never thought
of that.") Where there's a will there's a way, and
this guy obviously excavated a small lake around the
coal shed in order to sail his boat.
The Man Who Failed A Round In Seoul: The unfortunate
tale of a Korean golfer who simply couldn't hole out
on the 18th. He's still there.
The Man Who Failed A Round In Seoul (part 2): Ordered
a huge amount of drinks then realised he'd left his
wallet at home.

"Ed" again: there's hundreds more of these!

Dyeing: All my clothes are the WRONG COLOUR.
Artificial Bonfire: In a moving lyric, CM describes
the scene when he plugs in the Christmas tree
lights...

"Ed" (for the last time): there's no "Dear God"
because it's NOT ON THE FREAKIN' ALBUM!

But, since you insist...

Dear Bod (approximately 1.3 people will get this...and
they'll be ROTFLTWPTOUTD**)

Go on! Insert these titles in the appropriate place as
you're singing along to Skylarking! (Don't tell me you
don't do this in the privacy of your own home, car,
subway train, public... * see below) Hear great music
and increase your happiness quotient at the same time!
What was best of all, of course, is that it's
ABSOLUTELY FREE!

* If you're brave enough to do this in public, those
looks you're getting definitely ain't "longing" - more
along the lines of "who is this weirdo?" and "where's
the emergency exit?" However, those shirts with the
extra-long sleeves are quite comfortable, and as for
that nice soft wallpaper...

** Rolling on the floor laughing their wretched pie
traps off until they're dead

Regarding Rich Greenham's contribution in 6-290:
Bwaaah-haa-haa! Obviously there's some competition out
there for funniest man on the Hill. This should be
encouraged - let's hear from the rest of you. So far,
you're 2 rounds ahead. Love your work, and no way have
I "had sufficient"! But expect me to come out fightin'
next round!

Anyone who could make sense of my last post (or indeed
this one), please let me know and tell me what it
means ;-)

Shutting my WPT for now...

Rory "of course, we were verr' verr' drunk" Wilsher

SYWPTYRP - ancient Chalkhill saying

p.s. Community Service Announcement: The South London
Chapter of Chalkhills (known membership: 3) is
proposing an inaugural meeting. Venue: Croydon -
Monaco, Coast, Spreadeagle (famous for being thrown
INTO), or similar. Lurkers - contact me off-list.
Posters - (Yes, this means YOU, Smudge & Steve (if
you're still in the area, and indeed on the Hill - not
seen you around lately)) mail me off-list to arrange a
day.

p.p.s. All the parantheses match to a zero sum. This
means:
(i)    I'm very good at English
(ii)    I'm a computer programmer
(iii)    I'm completely anal
(iv)    All of the above

and the correct answer is, of course, (iv). Thank you,
and goodnight.

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:43:30 -0400
From: Groove Disques <info@groovedisques.com>
Subject: Partridge in Tape Op
Message-ID: <4.1.20001027223604.009827a0@mail.digiweb.com>

I've been busy lately and scanning my Chalkhills digests, so forgive me if
this is redundant: There's a great interview with Andy Partridge and the
band's home studio in the new issue of Tape Op.  I especially enjoy this
interview because Partridge isn't putting on his typical new record
promotion/industry bitching show.  If you've never seen Tape Op, it's an
excellent bi-monthly magazine that answered a longtime prayer of mine: it's
a recording magazine geared toward home recorders and studios outside the
mainstream.  Topics are discussed in lay terms, there are photos and
stories throughout are about affordable home equipment rather than the
latest 96-track board that Phil Collins uses to record his home demos.
Best of all: Tape Op offers a FREE SUBSCRIPTION in the US!!!  Their website
is www.tapeup.com.

Jim
www.groovedisques.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:52:13 EDT
From: WESnLES@aol.com
Subject: Emitt Rhodes/Q?/Fano
Message-ID: <c5.a805300.272ba76d@aol.com>

Howdy thar Chalk-folk:

Ever hear of Emitt Rhodes?  NO? Hmmm, do you like Mac?  How about Big Star?
You a fan of purty Beatle-ish music? How 'bout purty Beatle-ish music that
was made the same time the Beatles were makin' purty Beatle-ish music? Tired
of all the questions?  Well, check out Emitt Rhodes' 1970 self titled LP @
http://www.emittrhodes.net, with snips available in both mp3 and fake audio.
It aint gonna change your life but it's very much worthy of a listen.  Why
didn't this dude's tunes get covered, smothered and chunked with critical
accolades?...well, they sorta did.  Uh, but...the Beatles were doing it
first, better, and at about the same time.  Kinda hurt his cause.

Ahhh...and yet I've still not hit on the tangle of nerves that I hinted at
with the Q? My Q? is this:  I just converted to a digital cable connection,
and although I don't miss AOL..I do miss the AOL mail system.  I've tried the
Netscape and Micro Explorer emails and I'm not diggin' it baby. Suggestions?

OH..down the Fano jingle from the Fano site (you can get to it thru
Chalkhills)...it's pure Partridge my friends. The man's purty damn good at
doin' the jingle jangle thang. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

These are words with a twang this time,

wesLONG

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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 05:59:12 EDT
From: Saints3Den@aol.com
Subject: bumbling towards XTC
Message-ID: <69.c55549b.272bfd70@aol.com>

hello chalk folks!

 long time no post...I was waiting out a couple of months to make an impact
with

  BUMBLE NOVA!

 SO... thanks John Relph for allowing it

  thanks vee-tube for thinking of it

 and, what the hell, thanks Sir Demon Brown. (for all you do, this entry is
for you)

    My exhibit :  Grinch Stole Christmas

     A Giesel for a Giesel
     But a Seuss for a Seuss

    Grinch Stole Christmas
    Is shown in the winter
    But not in the summer-er-er

    Grinch Stole Christmas
    Is great animation
    Filmed in Technicolor-or-or

    Like the Whos, like the Whos
    He is nothing like the Whos
    He has garlic in his soul

    He's on Mount Crumpet,thinking

    Want to turn on
    How The Grinch Stole Christmas
    Want to watch it
    'Til my sled goes spinning around
    Want to turn on How the Grinch
    Let me turn on How The Grinch Stole Christmas

    Grinch Stole Christmas
    Is smiling while stealing
    Stockings from the mantle-le-le

    Grinch Stole Christmas
    Will snuff out the flame
    And then take the whole candle-le-le

    Like the Whos,like the Whos
    Will he ever like the Whos
     In his heart an empty hole

    He's on his stomach, slinking

    Want to turn on
    How the Grinch Stole Christmas
    Want to watch it
    'Til my sled goes spinning around
    Want to turn on How the Grinch
    Let me turn on How the Grinch Stole Christmas

    A Giesel for a Giesel
    But a Seuss for the Seuss

    He's taking the Whos stuff from
    The walls,the doors
    The floors and
    throwing them on the roof

     Stop trying to swipe all
     Their Who-Hash and wine
     And admit you're just a troll

     Now go put things right
     And re-supply
     The toys and Roast-Beast
     'Til they have enough to play and eat forever

    For MAX... and Cindy-Lou Who              eddie st.martin*

  * apologies to andy partridge & dr seuss  for screwing with both of your
works.
   also' to any of you who are against bumble nova and/or turkey pluto , you
bunch of humorless  bumbling turkeys.

  STINK,STANK,STUNK,OUT!

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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:32:59 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <aso1@mocha.ocn.ne.jp>
Subject: Buy Acid
Message-ID: <000101c040b1$c907e220$6e5791d2@johnboud>

M. Rappard said :

>basically what's Tyler is implying is that while the title of said book
>has an air of impartial, objective research to it, the name of its
>publishing firm betrays otherwise. Would you think "God: Real or >Hoax?"
>by the International Communist Publishing Company is objective?

Would you think " Communism : Good or Evil ? " by the International
Communist Publishing Company might contain a little bias ? Sure ! But you
would probably read it anyway .

> Please get off your high Christian
>horse

When did I ever say I was a Christian ? You assume too much Sir ! Just
because I read a book published by a Christian firm automatically makes me a
CHRISTIAN ( someone who believes Christ is the Son Of God ) in you book ?
Like Tyler , your own prejudice shows when you make statements like that .
You assume only a Christian would read Stroble's book , indirectly
dismissing it from a non-Christian's consideration .  I read everything from
Burroughs to the Bible ; to Mein Kampf and Daisetsu Suszuki , and everything
in between . No WARNING labels on any .

>Fallacy #3: in what way
>exactly does this show Tyler's prejudice?

If I had recommended the fictitious book mentioned above ( Communism - Good
or Evil ) , would Tyler have
written in to the list saying the publishers were Communists and therfore
may be biased ? Me thinks not .

All I did was recommend a book . I receieved several emails off list from
folks who either have read the book in question , or are going to check it
out . Tyler should have addressed his comments to me directly , as these
other people did , then Rappard's castigation of me would have been avoided .

Apologize to all for taking up the space .

Sushiman

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