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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 283

                Wednesday, 11 October 2000

Topics:

               Better Listen To The Radio?
                       Remoulding?
              Insect Headed Washington Wife
                    Unsubtle Irony #3
           Red Brick Dream...and my Big Day...
               Wedding reception no-no's...
                    Art reflects life
      We've been meaning to talk to you about that..
                  A Cleveland I Will Go
                   Reminder to KG fans
                         Ok, fine
                   Re: Radios In motion
                      Re: Colin said
The Squanderer Returns, The Niceman Cometh, Return Of The Cack et
        re: "fuzzy warbles" -- 6 CDS?!?!?!?!!!!!!
           Now if we only had a dozen bagels..
                   Some animals is....

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:04:19 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Subject: Better Listen To The Radio?
Message-ID: <20001009235720.8D6A339006@mail.knoware.nl>

Dear Chalkers and Chalkettes,

Our mutual friend, the venerable and slightly Oriental Mr. Sushiman
made a good point:

> You have the CDs , right ?
yes.
and quite frankly: IMHO anyone on this list who doesn't deserves to be shot
on sight.

> Why waste your time listening to radio stations that play stuff
> you can listen to at home ? Seek stations
> that will expand your musical mind ...

Why waste your time with radio at all ?

I just don't bother with radio anymore; i've already passed that
station (pun! pun! pun!) years ago
Why should i ? Those two or three surprising records a day don't
outweigh all the crap, or the pointless phone-ins, or the blabbering
dj's. Honestly, i'd rather play English Settlement for the 11.384th
time.

BTW: all the above applies even more strongly to TV

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse  www.come.to/xtc

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:04:19 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Subject: Remoulding?
Message-ID: <20001009235721.83DD439006@mail.knoware.nl>

Dear Chalkers,

Just one more thing and then i'll leave you in peace (promise)

> And "Travels in Nihilon" with cello lines could give a real dark,
> menacing feel! Valkyres move over!!!

Hands off!
All due respect to everybody else but before we go any further i'd
like to claim T.I.N. as mine. i've already been working on a rough,
yet dark and menacing version some time ago and i simply must
have the chance to contribute this one if we go ahead. Yes, i insist!
I never do but now i just have to, capice?

But I'll make up for it and volunteer to take care of one or two
orphans as well, the songs nobody wants (or dares!) to do. My
Weapon, X-Wires or even Bungalow - perish the thought :)

BTW: if we really want to do this, we'll have to set up a web page &
headquarters and appoint an executive producer(s) to oversee the
whole mega-project. Any volunteers? Instant immortality offered for
the right candidates!

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse  www.come.to/xtc

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:04:19 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Subject: Insect Headed Washington Wife
Message-ID: <20001009235715.9242939007@mail.knoware.nl>

Dear Chalkers,

Tom Griffin spotted a train:

> the XTC book "XTC: Chalkhills and
> Children" (I think that's the title - the one by Twomey) was spotted
> on page A26 of today's (10/5/00) NY Times. Apparently Al & Tipper Gore
> were campaigning in a bookstore in Ohio.  The picture has them in the
> music book section, and guess which book is being displayed?

Spooky... almost as spooky as Tipper herself.
Where's Frank Zappa now his country really needs him?

But seriously: can someone please scan & archive this picture?
i'd _love_ a copy for my collection of xtc-related oddities

On a similar note: i spotted John Otway, singer on the Johnny
Japes' "Buster Gonad" single, who appeared as a 'Mystery Guest'
on the Beeb's Never Mind The Buzzcocks quiz show, hosted by
former Swindonite (sic!) Mark Lamarr.

The Beeb's also launching a new regional service called BBC
South, targetted at Oxfordshire and Swindon. The introductory
'leader' started off with an aerial view of a familiar hill-side carving
shaped (and hung) like a horse... uncensored this time.
(ref. Chalkhills picture archives to see how Dobbin's "thingy"
disappeared when our Heroes performed Ball & Chain on UK TV)

oh, i'd love to be running up that hill again and bust some clouds!
that place is truly awe-inspiring with a strange sense of magical
timelessness, as if untouched by the herds of sheep and the hordes
of ramblers in their brightly coloured rain garb.

Well, if everything works out as planned i should be able to go and
live there in about 25 years from now (deo volente). But if i win the
Lottery, make an illegal fortune or find a wealthy Swindonite who'd
keep me as her gigolo i'll move there straightaway. Any offers?

yours in xtc,

Mark S. @ the Little Lighthouse  www.come.to/xtc

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:28:59 -0600
From: KirK.Gill@equifax.com
Subject: Unsubtle Irony #3
Message-ID: <85256974.0060517B.00@noteswetc15.fin.equifax.com>

I remember hearing that John Lennon had been murdered while driving home
from work at a local repertory theatre. I was in high school at the time,
11th grade, and was participating in a program at the theatre that allowed
us to see the shows free of charge and to interact with the actors, etc.,
in exchange for our work as ushers. That particular night I was
transporting a carful of young ladies, fellow ushers, who were talking and
giggling and enjoying themselves as the news came over the radio. The loss
of someone like John Lennon is incalculable to some of us, where it barely
scratches the surface for others. As I pulled the car over to the curb
with tears in my eyes, the young women in my car, while concerned about me
and my state of mind, weren't particulary affected by the fact that this
particular person had been eliminated from their lives.  The laughing, the
giggling, the talking continued, and I stared blankly through my
rain-spattered windshield as pain, grief, loss, rage, irritation, and
understanding all simultaneously vied for my emotional attention.  I've
never forgotten that feeling...........

I find myself already wanting more new XTC music. AV1 was nourishment for
a racked and ravaged XTC-seeking beast. AV2 was a wafer-thin mint.

Please sirs, I want some more.............

k

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:34:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dorothy Spirito <spiritod@techmail.gdc.com>
Subject: Red Brick Dream...and my Big Day...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.10010101425180.4159-100000@esun2028>

Okay; this has nothing to do with the aforementioned song.  I just wanted
to contribute to the Futurama thread.  I watched the very first episode,
and did an ROTFLMAO at one scene-- where the robot lifts his arms skyward
in response to having a weapon aimed at him, and a brick falls from his
nether region.  *Great* visual joke!

I'm back; I'm in wedded bliss; I'm catching up on aaaaaall the chalks
since 9/21.

Virtual champagne for everybody!
--Dorothy.
(In the alarm clock: Wasp Star.)

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:52:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dorothy Spirito <spiritod@techmail.gdc.com>
Subject: Wedding reception no-no's...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.10010101448370.4159-100000@esun2028>

Smudgeboy wanted to know what "classic" dance floor fillers we would NOT
allow the DJ to play.  Having just been wed, I can answer this easily.
We told our DJ not to play the Hokey-Pokey, the Bunny Hop, the Chicken
dance, nor ANY Frank Sinatra.

--Dorothy.

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:11:17 +0000
From: The Worrier Queen <myrone@tesco.net>
Subject: Art reflects life
Message-ID: <39E3CC29.56EBBF73@tesco.net>

Hello, is there anyone out there?

Look I'm sorry about the death thing.
And global warming.
And Dear God.

No I'm not about Dear God.

Mark made a interesting point:
> Wouldn't it be a better
> idea if we all contributed something (a song, a poem, any work of
> art) inspired by and / or in return for their songs?
>
> Let's take all the "official" XTC originals, divvy them up between us
> all and get those creative glands working!  perhaps we can really
> surprise our Heroes with something personal and original instead of
> embarrassing them and ourselves with second-hand interpretations.
> Just a thought... any takers?

Come on gentle Chalk Folk - there's so much talent out there that we
could fill a couple of web sites.  I'm ready to give it a go and if
anyone
decides to do it I'm willing to help.

Or if Harrison's original idea takes off, I'll give my best on a
version of Wounded Horse.  Someone find me a broad minded gospel
choir please and check if I can be prosecuted for trying to carry a tune
without an accompanying bucket.

Or even Dear God.

Jayne the Worrier Queen

He Toi Whakairo He Mana Tangata
Where there is artistic excellence, there is human dignity.
Maori saying

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:40:00 EDT
From: NORDIC68PJ@aol.com
Subject: We've been meaning to talk to you about that..
Message-ID: <42.bc7432f.27152d00@aol.com>

I feel a twinge of nausea - roll over me
It sits on the plate -  watching me
look at those beady little black eyes
It's taunting me
It's been so long since
I can no longer remember when
Freaky jelly - your a sham
The last name I could call you is Ham
 Damn you Spam!!
Damn

   If I were a rapper I would be out of a job wouldn't I?

 Boss: "Yep, Mr. smarty-pants thinks he's some kinda fancy rapper"
 Me:    "Wait, wait.. I can explain"
 Boss: " Sorry, Smarty but we don't think lightly to you makin' fun o' spam.
You jus' take your Spam hatin' ass outta here."
 Co-Workers: "SPAM HATER!!!"
 Boss: " There's no room for Spam hating in rap music. For your transgression
against us we deem you imperfect and sentence you to an eternal spam jobs."
             {{ Swirling dark abyss  - no light - only Spam }}

   To Jayne the Worrier (about Spam) Queen-  Someday when your not looking
someone ( and I'm not saying It'll be me) will smear Spam on you.. yes,
someday I will...um.. I mean someday someone ( not limited to or personally
knowing me) will get you back for breaching the Spam subject.

  Rory Wilsher - Thanks for the "Boxing match". AV1 vs. WS will go down in
history as one of the greatest fights the world has never seen.

  SmudgeBoy - Great idea to suggest that we come up with a set list for the
new and improved XTC live show. The only problem I seem to have run up
against is that my list changes daily. Soon, very soon I will decide. When  I
do decide on a set list you can be sure I won't be happy with that one either.

  Duncan Watt - Radio stations looking to make money?!  Mass mentality mind
probing ?!  The few (the proud) looking for a good radio station?! They are
churning out the same ol' tired boring crap?!  Say it ain't so!  How can this
be?!
  Hmm. Oh, wait. That's right we're in America aren't we?
  OKAY All you other countries line up in back of the USA and do what they
are doing. Good now sleep..sleep.. very quiet now..yes.. that's it.. render
yourselves useless.. think of Spam.. (oops)..
   (In the immortal words of Sister Mary Elephant [and Andy!]).. WAKE UPPPPP!!
  Duncan my good man, you are so F***ing right on!!

   Two good shoes do not make a right. (right?) - your bloody well right!
                                                    Nor

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:32:47 -0400
From: Molly Fanton <mollyfa0000@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: A Cleveland I Will Go
Message-ID: <39E3FB7F.94DC9107@worldnet.att.net>
Organization: AT&T Worldnet Service

NON-XTC CONTENT
I'm going to be coming to Cleveland next Friday to meet with some friends.
We're going to go to The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and other places.  I
can't wait.  Sorry Cleveland area Hillians I won't have time to visit, but
maybe sometime we can have a get together.

XTC CONTENT
I'm going to try to convert my friends into the XTC religion (snicker).
I'm making the ultimate greatest hits cassette to share with my friends.
I'm going to pick my fave songs from the band.  So by the end of the trip
we'll all be "Stupidly Happy".  :)

Molly
XTC Song of the Week: "Helicopter"
Non-XTC Song of the Week: "Moon Over Parma" - Drew Carey

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:25:30 EDT
From: Jxnsmom@aol.com
Subject: Reminder to KG fans
Message-ID: <66.82e3e0d.2715a82a@aol.com>

Dear Chalkhillers who are also on the Lawnmower list:

Knowing I got to Kevin Gilbert through this list, Herring405 has asked me to
gently remind you XTC/KG fans to send in your top 5 KG song list to him. He
said he was hoping to hear from more of the XTC fans on this topic.

Now back to your regular programming.

Amy

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:15:47 EDT
From: Jxnsmom@aol.com
Subject: Ok, fine
Message-ID: <66.82e3e0c.2715a5e3@aol.com>

Brian keeps it going:

<< We're all atheists.
 There are about 2500 deities of some sort that we know of that have been
 believed in during recorded human history. And I'd bet the vast majority of
 you believers out there don't believe in 2499 of them. The only difference
 between you and me is that I don't believe in 2500 of them.
 I think you probably get my point. >>

I get what you're trying to say, but I don't agree, and here's why:

1. According to the dictionary, an atheist is "one who disbelieves in or
denies the existence of God or gods." Therefore, anyone who believes in ANY
God or gods cannot truly be an atheist, because he believes in at least one
God or set of gods. My feeling is an atheist believes in no God or gods at
all. Other religions may call me agnostic or an infidel because I don't
believe in God in the way they have chosen to understand it, but I don't see
how I can be called an atheist if I have at least some kind of belief in a
higher power.

2. Actually, the difference between you and me is I believe in one of the
2,500 concepts of a higher power, and you don't believe in any higher power.
Those 2,500 labels for a supreme being are all human ways of trying to grasp
the same thing, in my opinion.

Religion is a personal thing, and I don't care what you believe, and I'm not
out to convert anybody. I just don't appreciate being called nonsensical
(which is why I responded in the first place ) or an atheist (which is why
I'm responding now) or in some way considered inferior to you in intelligence
(yes, I noticed you labeled your post "the thinking side." )

Amy

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:20:32 -0400
From: "Brian" <mattone@bhip.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Radios In motion
Message-ID: <004701c0338e$6ad524e0$910affd1@Brian>

Tschalkgerz!

I said:
>>No, I do not believe in in an afterlife, or a supreme being. It's as much
>>nonsense as we know the gods of the Romans or the Greeks are.

So Tom K. tells us:
>Nonsense means to me that it makes no sense.  But who's to say for sure?
I direct your attention to "The Fire From Within" by Carlos Casteneda.
Whether there is truth to it or not, it does offer tantalizing
possibilities outside of the rigid Judeo-Christian framework.  There is
definitely a lot we do not know, we are just infants spiritually.  And
tales of heaven and hell are just our children's fairy tales.  And Castenda
is NOT new age!  The booksellers just don't know where else to put his
works.<

NEWSFLASH:
I know where: the circular file.
Carlos Castenada and his supposed 'experiences' have been shown to be a
fraud.
Thanks, but nice try.
Not.

XTC content: I'd like to know where my copy of 'Chalkhills & Children'
disappeared off to... been gone a long time.

-Brian Matthews
http://www.stonetrek.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:44:47 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <aso1@mocha.ocn.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: Colin said
Message-ID: <000101c0338d$8e97eb20$7d5791d2@johnboud>

Imanol Ugarte translated this from a Spanish mag . Colin said :

>(Nonsuch) Although it sounds strange, Nonsuch is one of our
>better discs for me, if not the best one.

Just like to chime in with dittos . Lovably faulty , all in all a
magnificent ride though the XTC stratos with a host of some of the best XTC
tunes ever , and The King Of Skins Dave Mattacks propelling the ecstacy
space shuttle .

Sushiman

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:43:03 +0100
From: Lawson Dominic <LawsonD@parliament.uk>
Subject: The Squanderer Returns, The Niceman Cometh, Return Of The Cack et c
Message-ID: <4782AD6ADDBDD2119B570008C75DD5C1BD540F@mgmtm02.parliament.uk>

etc etc
>>Where the fuck is Dom? I could use a little help here... Seesh!

Seesh y'self, cack-face! I'm just a-lurkin' and a-smirkin' over here in this
dark, squalid corner of the world...obviously I've been keeping up to date
with the digests, but I've been otherwise engaged in an almost offensively
intense fashion recently. If anyone cares, I just got a new job as News
Editor at Kerrang Magazine...OK, not standard reading matter for XTC fans,
but at least three of you will have heard of it I'm sure...and have been
fairly hysterical for the last couple of weeks. I don't start for another
fortnight, but it's all a bit exciting so forgive me if I talk even more
bollocks than usual.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I loathe commercial radio with a passion. Any
attempts to justify its vile and caca-flecked vapidity will be treated with
contempt. Brighton (centre of the universe, fact fans) has its own radio
station - Surf FM - which has its moments...there's a cool, eclectic show
called Totally Wired which plays everything from indie nonsense & dance
music through to Beefheart and Sly Stone, and there was a cracking world
music show on Sunday afternoons (although it seems to have vanished)...loads
of Cuban & African tunes - ideal for a spliff & a sunny day...on the whole
though, it's the same ads-interspersed-with-shit-chart-music formula which
people seem to like to so much. Personally, I think the whole point of being
a passionate music fan is that you need not rely on radio & TV for new
artists and music...get off your fat, scabby arse and do some
scouting...commercial radio is for people who want to drown out the tedium
of their lives with some inoffensive, meaningless, background chuntering,
always played at a volume somewhere between barely audible and non-existent.
It's for people who hear, but don't listen. For fuck's sake, why bother with
your CD collection if you're happy with a medley of arse-candy prescribed by
some numb-nuts with eighteen different PR todgers jammed up his holiest of
holes? Eh? EH????

>>XTC's one of my alltime favorite bands.

Name, Tom Kingston. Specialist subject, stating the bleedin' obvious. Mind
you, the man has taste.

>>But nothing this year I've heard is
as gorgeous as "A Long Day's Life" by Kevin Gilbert.

I refer the honourable wind-bag to my previous response. Again, you can't
fault his logic...of course, the most KICK-ARSE thing I've heard this year
is "Ad Astra" by Spiritual Beggars, quite possibly the best hard rock/heavy
metal album of the last twenty years. No shit - it's a stormer! And quite
gorgeous, in a funny kind of way...

Incidentally, any Cheryl fans out there will be interested to know that I'll
be having lunch with the poor, unfortunate woman tomorrow...I will,
naturally, be bringing chloroform and gaffa tape with me. Cackle.

>>Who's been telling you about my dietary habits, Mr. Watt?

Oh come on! Everyone knows you're Virginia's most notorious coprophage, and
don't you deny it, Mr Poopy!

>>Can anyone give me a condensed list of Prefab Sprout dos and don'ts?

Yes. Buy "Swoon", "Steve McQueen" (or whatever it's called outside the
UK...you know, the one with "When Love Breaks Down" on it), "Protest Songs"
and "Jordan The Comeback". The greatest of these is "Swoon", although there
will be those who bemoan the lack of straightforward tunage. Ignore such
nonsense, for 'tis a classic. There is no Cost me |2.99 on vinyl from
Woolworths, back in 198cough and worth every penny. As far as don'ts are
concerned, I wouldn't worry...it's all good. I didn't get the most recent
album...my heavy metal licence would be revoked forthwith...but I hear good
things about it. Besides, apart from an unfortunate incident involving Jimmy
Nail and a crocodile (at least I think that's what it was), Paddy McAloon is
an astonishingly consistent songwriter. Find me another Napalm Death fan who
agrees and I'll buy you a hand shandy.

[collaboration]
>>Frank Black & David J

I want some of your drugs. They must be ever so good. A surf version of
"She's In Parties" anyone? A Bowie-fied trot through "Bone Machine"???
Actually, now I think of it, Frank Black would have made a great
Bubbleman...(come on pop kids, keep up!).

>>Robert Smith & Andy (my wife said that one, she thinks Robert tries to
sound
like Andy, I never really thought of it that way!)

No offence to your esteemed superior segment, but Robert Smith sounds
nothing like Andy. For a start, Robert Smith can't sing (all part of his
charm...see also John Lydon, Mark E Smith, Joe Strummer etc etc) but also
Andy could never be accused of doing the whiny, sub-goth warbling thing that
financed Smith's hairspray habit for all those years...of course, Robert
Smith did save the world once - 'nuff respect!

..and finally, from the day before my birthday (where's my card? my gifts?
flamboyant displays of affection?? Pah!)...

>>I can evenstart to handle some of that early noise, er, MUSIC from White
Music.

Ooh yeah, "White Music" is such a noise-fest isn't it? Eat your heart out
Venom, think again Merzbow, run for the hills Discharge...and so on.
Honestly, you lightweight!!!

Onwards to Planet Rock!!!

Dom "Lay down your soul to the gods, Rock and Roll!" Lawson

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:14:17 -0400
From: "Daniel Phipps" <phipps@schoollink.net>
Subject: re: "fuzzy warbles" -- 6 CDS?!?!?!?!!!!!!
Message-ID: <002e01c033af$12530d20$6f8c04d8@pavilion>

in the last chalkhills digest that arrived today (thanks so much, john!  i'm
back!!!), the infamous mitch friedman (xtc fanatic extraordinaire!) informed
us all --

> Contrary to what's been reported lately on the pages of the Chalkhills
> "What's New" section, "Homegrown" is coming up soon and Virgin is doing an
> XTC box set. Not only that but the 6cd version of "Fuzzy Warbles" is
> becoming an increasingly better possibility with each passing day. I know
> this because Andy told me so and even went into some detail by sending me
> a cassette with some of the newly remastered demos most likely to be
> included.

> While he assured me that I had 99% of what was on the cassette already, he
> was wrong. I was surprised to hear demos for "Great Fire" (sounding
> vaguely "Dachau Blues"y), "In Another Life" (with all different lyrics),
> "King For a Day" (very sparse), "Garden of Earthly Delights" (more
> different lyrics and a thrilling loopy bouquet of a solo), "Way of the
> World" (a song Colin forgot he even wrote), "Howlin' Burston" (a radio ID
> Andy did for local dj Alan Burston which sounds remarkably like Howlin'
> Wolf), and a whole assortment of ones we all know from the past that have
> been fantastically cleaned up and remixed like "Young Cleopatra", "That's
> Really Super, Supergirl", "Rah Rah For Red Rockinghorse", "Broomstick
> Rhythm", "Mayor of Simpleton", "Me and the Wind", "Disque Bleu", etc. . .
> He also sent me the live version of "I Don't Want To Be Here" which will
> be coming out on an AIDS benefit compilation and this one sounds superb.

> "Homegrown" will be different from "Homespun" in that it will be greatly
> expanded and showcase lots more in the way of earlier and rougher versions
> of the songs in addition to the finished demos. For instance, there were
> about 6 totally different, even in the melody, demos of "I'm the Man Who
> Murdered Love" (one sounding like Joni Mitchell) before the version we
> know. Some parts of those others will be on "Homegrown" for example.

> Don't ask me about release dates for all these projects. I didn't ask him
> and I don't think he knows anyway.

xtcillians, this right here is the reason i love being a part of this
mailing list!!!  mitch, you are THE MAN!!  thank you so much for informing
us about what's happening with "fuzzy warbles."  i almost pissed on myself
though when i read that this boxed set is supposedly going to be 6 cds!!!!
man oh man!!  knowing this, i now simply cannot wait to purchase this one,
dude!!  damn!  6 cds of xtc demos and other rarities?!?!?!  i love
it...simply LOVE IT!!!  :-)

i hope andy agrees that these recordings are perfected and cleaned up
enough to warrant a release date soon.  he doesn't know how close to the
skin i've already chewed my fingernails waiting in anticipation for this
special, special treat from the band to the fans.  send it on, mr. p!
we'll accept it all gladly!

am also "xtc-atic!" about this forthcoming "homegrown" thing!!  man, i just
can't get enough of this band...

so......wahoooo!!!  mitch-ster, news of this quality makes it all
worthwhile to be part of this wonderful circle of special friends of "the
swindon two!!"

thank you again for the info...  :-D

(those "warbles" seem to be getting fuzzier -- and now closer!! -- by the
minute!)

i'm history --

/dan  <phipps@schoollink.net>

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:35:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: brown <mb2@deltanet.com>
Subject: Now if we only had a dozen bagels..
Message-ID: <200010111535.IAA19794@mail2.deltanet.com>

<<<< >I invite you all to join me in celebrating the very first Mummer Day in
 >history on October 17, 2000. >>

To us Philadelphians, Mummers' Day will always be January 1.

MJC>>

..Philly..hmmm... home of the famous cream cheese, right? <G>
..spread it thick, kids!

Hope you all have made plans to celebrate The Day of Mummer (October 17)..
Me?  I have invited the neighbors over to pop the cork on a fine bottle of
wine, and a liberal helping of that master work, Mummer!! .."Hark, the
herald Mummers sing.. listen to the Wiltshire kings!.."

Today, boys and girls, we will learn about the region of Wiltshire-

A mainly agricultural county in the South of England, Wiltshire covers an
area of 1,343 square miles and has a population of 555,000.

It has its administrative headquarters at Trowbridge with the cathedral city
of Salisbury, and the towns of Swindon and Wilton, famous for its carpets,
being other major centres.

Wiltshire has, in Stonehenge, probably the most famous prehistoric site in
Britain. Said by many to have originally been built for long forgotten
mystical ceremonies Stonehenge graces the Salisbury Plain. The Plain itself
has been a training ground for the British Army since the Napoleonic Wars.

Along with this scenically beautiful area Wiltshire also offers Marlborough
Downs, Savernake Forest and the rivers Kennet and the Salisbury and Bristol
Avons as other physically attractive locations.

The county lists as its main products, wheat, cattle, carpets, rubber and
engineering...   AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, XTC!..

6 days and counting,

Debora Brown
-Dom, we could use a *rude* post right about now-

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:42:29 -0400
From: "Roger Fuller" <fullerfamily@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Some animals is....
Message-ID: <000d01c033bb$65438a80$bfdf143f@hp-customer>

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 09:26:24 -0400
From: "Brian" <mattone@bhip.infi.net>
Subject: The thinking side
Message-ID: <000f01c03062$319a54e0$690affd1@Brian>

Tschalkgerz!

Amy tries to help:
>I have total and complete confidence that we aren't "merely mortal," and
>though others call it "nonsense," those of us with deep faith can assure
you
>otherwise. That doesn't take all the fear away, but for me it's an absolute
>given that the light of the soul is not extinguished by death.

>I know this isn't the forum for lengthy discussions on this topic, so now
>you've heard two views of the situation and we can leave it at that. Any
>further discussion should be off-list, in my opinion.

Because Andy P. himself is purportedly a non-believer, I think a certain
amout of discussion in this area IS on-topic... I mean, I've read talk of
all sorts of other XTC arcana that has little to do with music-making (such
as Andy's soldier collecting). If John R. e-mails me personally and tells me
to shut up, I will, but until then...

...............................

Brian,

does this we can also talk about citizen disarmament and abolishment of
voting, as well as the insignificance of democracy, all of which AP has
either advocated or espoused in interviews in the past? In our lovely,
happy, diverse world, no solution or value is equally valid in every
situation or place. Our ideas and beliefs may work fine for us where we
might live, but not for others in the UK, where he is from, or elsewhere.
And vice versa.

Fair's fair. Or- as John Relph has already mentioned to us, we'd best leave
the political stuff at the door. Or is some (political) animals more equal
than otherz?

Roger

on the rekkid playa: "I'm Gonna Booglarize Ya, Baby", Captain Beefheart

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