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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 281

                  Friday, 6 October 2000


                     XTC in NY Times
                       Happy House
                    Happy Mummers' day
                     Re: frost circus
                      Mike Keneally
   A Rant About Radio, In Which I Say 'Fucking' A Lot.
           Nader and the rest a bucket of shi-
                      The other side
Feet of Clay / I'll see you and the wheel turn / The band
                    Lennon Remembered
                       School Terms
                    Son of Spam (I am)
                  Weird XTC sighting...
               **Crimson ticket for sale**
                    Wonderousful Site!
                         Cover Me
                   Crime and punishment


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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:32:01 EDT
Subject: XTC in NY Times
Message-ID: <>

Hello All.

In case nobody has mentioned it yet, the XTC book "XTC: Chalkhills and
Children" (I think that's the title - the one by Twomey) was spotted on page
A26 of today's (10/5/00) NY Times. Apparently Al & Tipper Gore were
campaigning in a bookstore in Ohio.  The picture has them in the music book
section, and guess which book is being displayed?

-Tom Griffin


Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:56:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Radios In Motion <>
Subject: Happy House
Message-ID: <380037287.970779379264.JavaMail.root@web190-iw>

Hi everyone!  I just wanted to say that I am moving in a week and I will
keep in contact better as soon as we move into our new house.  Sorry for any
delays (with CD's, etc) that I have caused.  Also, as soon as we move and
get settled in, I will send invitations to anyone who would be interested in
coming over this year.  We are thinking of some type of party this year now
that we have a new house.  I thought of something the other day; I wondered
what it would be like if certain collaborations happened between some
artists.  Here are a few that I thought would be great:

Captain Beefheart & Eugene Chadbourne
Lene Lovich & Dale Consalvi
Andy & Danny Elfman
Collin & Ian McCulloch
Robert Smith & Andy (my wife said that one, she thinks Robert tries to sound
like Andy, I never really thought of it that way!)
John Linnell & Robyn Hitchcock
Marvin Gaye & Beck (I bet that would have happened if...)
Frank Black & David J
Jerry Dammers & Angelo Moore
Douglas McCarthy & Chrissie Hynde (I just threw that in there to make it an
even number!)

Anyone else have some good collabs that you would like to see (or have saw).


Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:21:13 +0100
From: "Steven Paul" <>
Subject: Happy Mummers' day
Message-ID: <000c01c02edf$f46c5920$6782a8c0@me>

>I invite you all to join me in celebrating the very first Mummer Day in
>history on October 17, 2000.
>Debora 'only 16 shopping days left' Brown

I am so there, its on my calendar, on a post-it not on my desk and goodness,
I'll have to get an extra copy for home now.

By the way Debora, are we supposed to hand out pudding, meat or potatoes to
the wandering mummers?  I can almost remember -- but not quite.


Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:30:09 -0700
From: David van Wert <>
Subject: Re: frost circus
Message-ID: <p04330101b602d0fe23ed@[]>

From: Johan Ekdahl <>
>I was looking at a TV-program covering the flooding in northern Sweden this
>summer (bringing with it houses and bridges). To the pictures of two men
>sitting in a row-boat in a flooded river something familiar was playing...
>Frost Circus.
>Kind'o'odd. I've always heard FC as a rather humorous, and "bagatelesque",
>kind of tune. Not the kind of music You would play to pictures of a natural
>disaster (albeit w/o casualties). Still, in some strange way, it worked.

When I was in high school, our theatre performed Lanford Wilson's
disturbing, dream-like "The Rimers of Eldritch." Our director was
looking for a piece to play as sort of a signature for certain
transitions, but couldn't find anything she liked and so asked us
kids for suggestions. Everybody brought in something for her to
listen to, but Frost Circus what the only one she liked. Of course,
back in those days (before some of you whippersnappers were born) the
only way to get Frost Circus was on the back of the brand new Great
Fire 12" single (but that's okay because back in those days everybody
had a record player). Because it was a full sized record, she didn't
realize she needed to play it at 45 instead of 33. So she mistakenly
listened to it slowed down, loved it, and that's what we used. I
remember feeling very validated for my musical taste in a small east
Texas town in the bygone era when Journey and Alabama ruled their
respective Billboard charts.

But Andy should sue her for royalties.

David van Wert  <>

"Is it hot in here or is it just me?"
Richard Nixon, 1999


Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:54:33 EDT
Subject: Mike Keneally
Message-ID: <>

I've a terrible confession  to make.  I've been bad.  I've been away for a
while, so I don't know if this has been mentioned.

Mike Keneally, the amazing musician who is mentioned by name in "Song
Stories" (which gives this post its XTC content), has just released a new
album called "Dancing."  Don't let the title put you off.  This album is full
of joy, but not the fluffy kind.  This may be Mike's best, as well as most
accessible, album to date.  Personally, I hear the XTC influence on
"Backwards Deb," though Mike denies it was conscious.  The rest of the album
is a mind-zinging mix of Miles, Zappa, STP, and who knows what else.  I can't
recommend this album strongly enough!  If you can't find it at your local
Tower, you can get it from his website (

J. D.


Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:40:25 -0400
From: "Duncan Watt" <>
Subject: A Rant About Radio, In Which I Say 'Fucking' A Lot.
Message-ID: <>

Jim "Groove Disques" <> laid upon us, re: how Y100
won't play XTC, because they don't have a Top 40 hit:

> Sadly, the station manager of Y100 is right on the money.  At this point,
> it's not fair to blame it on radio.  Blame the masses, and don't tell me
> they need to be forcefed the cake they prefer.  They really like the crap
> they buy.
>Why should they go out on a limb for a band that hasn't
> produced one single as popular as - hell - mediocre McCartney singles, like
> "With a Little Luck"?  We should be thankful that new XTC albums even get
> released on major labels.

Mister, I think you're missing the point as you roll over onto your back and
Accept The Stroke. I'll give you stations like Y100, which I'm assuming is a
Big Ass Commercial Station, Hell-bent on making Money, and only Money,
regardless of whatever Crap it must spew to get It. But where are the
high-quality commercial music stations? Couldn't it be possible to make a
decent living running a decent high-quality radio station? Are you telling
me you couldn't get ANY advertisers to pay for airtime on a station
targeting people over the age of 19 who hate Celine Dion? It's GREED, plain
and simple. MANY more advertising dollars are available for teen-pop and
Streisand than anything else, so why run a high-quality station when all you
had to do was slip in a little Britney... and triple your money! Which, to
be fair, begs a mention of the few-and-proud who at least attempt to stand
astride both shores, like WXRV(92.5FM), around here(Boston), a commercial
station which will play almost anything(including 'Stupidly Happy' and even
album cuts, and Zappa, and Neil Finn, and Richard Thompson, and... ) during
it's Free-Form Lunch Hour and Free-Form Friday Nights. There's PROOF of the
public's demand: it exists, here, now! Why not somewhere else?

So... "it's not fair to blame it on radio"? Of course it is! How do you
think the 'masses'(which is a truly short-sighted view of music listeners,
mister record-label guy) got to likin' the Crap in the first place? Lack of
a viable choice, that's how, duh! Endless tie-ins between music and teen
products! An insatiable advertising industry intent on making everyone over
the age of 20 feel old! Music as product, disguised as 'art'! Carson Daly as
Style-monitor is how! If it sells more than anything else, it's Good.
Everything else, including second- and third-place sellers and down, or last
week's masterpiece, is USELESS. What a piece of crap!

And now, the list of point-making metaphors:

-Wonder Bread(a USA thing) is way cheaper to make than decent bread. If the
Wonder Bread people took over the entire bread industry through
conglomeration, eliminating the 'masses' taste for all things Breadlike
three generations back, would you blame THEM?

-I like good coffee, and I'm willing to pay extra for it, esp. when
presented with the alternative. There's a lot of Me out there, we're just
scattered around more, and not so easy to target. But we're great customers
when you find us.

-There's a little cafi/lunch place around here called The Green Bean. The
very fact that they attempt to put out cool, interesting food keeps people
coming back. They're not making a ton of money, but they're not going out of
business, either, and they're doing what they set out to do. Kind of like a
Certain Quar-... I mean Tri-... I mean Duo from Swindon... The people at The
Green Bean could use Wonder Bread, and make more money, but they Don't, Todd
love 'em.

Why should radio "go out on a limb for a band that hasn't produced one
single as popular as - hell - mediocre McCartney singles, like "With a
Little Luck", as the record-label guy asked? Because that's their FUCKING
JOB! Because WONDER BREAD FUCKING SUCKS! And there's PLENTY of people out
there who would happily sit through ads to listen to the other stuff, if
radio wasn't so FUCKING GREEDY.

Your Fucking Pal Duncan Watt

ps Where the fuck is Dom? I could use a little help here... Seesh!

pps Oh, and Vreeland... rock on, mister... high-five, bro. Don't even get
me started about the Frat Days... ahh, Heffenreffer...

email me:
surf me:


Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:33:42 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: Wakarimasen
Message-ID: <003401c02fab$56011b00$7e5791d2@johnboud>

From: Judee Ross <>
Subject: Re: Philly Radio

In response to the person who listens to Y100 in Philly....CHANGE
>I listen to WXPN 88.5...not only have they been playing TMWML and
>Stupidly Happy before they were officially released, but I hear at
>least one older XTC song a day!

You have the CDs , right ? Why waste your time listening to radio stations
that play stuff you can listen to at home ? Seek stations that will expand
your musical mind ...



Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:36:41 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: Nader and the rest a bucket of shi-
Message-ID: <003501c02fab$5875c480$7e5791d2@johnboud>

Chris "get me a bucket" Vreeland wrote :

>ps- Americans- register and vote, please. And while you're at it,
>consider voting for Nader.

I considered it for a second , and decided to watch Mr. Smith Goes To
Washington on election day . Everybody in Amnesia ought to do likewise .



Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:54:21 EDT
Subject: The other side
Message-ID: <>

To the Worrier Queen:

I have total and complete confidence that we aren't "merely mortal," and
though others call it "nonsense," those of us with deep faith can assure you
otherwise. That doesn't take all the fear away, but for me it's an absolute
given that the light of the soul is not extinguished by death.

I know this isn't the forum for lengthy discussions on this topic, so now
you've heard two views of the situation and we can leave it at that. Any
further discussion should be off-list, in my opinion.

I wish you peace during this challenging time.



Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 13:20:45 +0000
From: Robin Poole <>
Subject: Feet of Clay / I'll see you and the wheel turn / The band
Message-ID: <>

Rory's Challenge to rework XTC songs in a different style
period...Groovy man!

Well, "Your'e the Wish You Are I Had" could be given a AV1 treatment,
bags of strings to give it a Beatles "Hello Goodbye" quality perhaps (The
start of the chorus in it's current flavour already has the same feel of a
speeded up "Across The Universe"...[See you out there someday JL]
don't ya think?)

And "Travels in Nihilon" with cello lines could give a real dark, menacing
feel! Valkyres move over!!!

And acoustic to electric transformations..what would Barry Andrews, A
Theremin and "White Album" frenzy do to "River of Orchids", "Great Fire"
or even "Living in a Haunted Heart"? Burn!

And an acappella version of "Bungalow" and an "musicbox" bastard
child of "Frost Circus" and "Making Plans for Nigel" would

As for the most amazing XTC live reformation concert (15 songs, 3
encores, Andy , Colin , Dave and 3 others) Wow...tricky!

Here goes...

1. Stupidly Happy - get em warmed up
2. Making Plans For Nigel - Keep em warm
3. Respectable Street
4. All of a Sudden (It's too late)
5. Great Fire
6. Are You Receiving Me?
7. Knights in Shining Karma
8. King for a Day
9. You're the Wish You Are I Had (Time for a quick clothes change..)
10. The Mole From the Ministry
11. The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead
12. Summer's Cauldron
13. Grass
14. Towers of London
15. Senses Working Overtime


1. Rook
2. Love on a Farmboys Wages
3. The Wheel and the Maypole (Everything decays...and so must end)

Venue: The Roundabout in, it's not a club or posing palace,
just the roundabout in the middle of Swindon...or in some converted
Railway sidings and storage near Swindon station or perhaps the
Natural History Museum in London. Near the "Vale of the Horse" would
be most appropriate as an outdoor venue, don't ya think..?!
X-Stock...theres a thought..

Personnel...besides the three wisest of men....predictable I know but
Barry Andrews to help with the bells and whistles, Terry Chambers for
the boom and energy to contribute anything musically, but
to see things unfold in the closest possible location. Selfish, but hey,
wouldn't you?

R :o)


Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:37:14 EDT
Subject: Lennon Remembered
Message-ID: <>

> This may be a delicately macabre thread idea, but maybe a good
>  cartharsis and a good tribute to Lennon's memory for the anniversary.
>  (60 years!  It makes my head spin!  The Beatles turning 60!)  Anyway,
>  maybe those of us who remember that horrible night could relate their
>  tales.  You know, where were you, what were you doing, how it affected
>  you.

Just got back from am catching up on the latest thread...

Watching Monday Night Football. Don't remember who was playing but I do
clearly remember Howard Cosell mentioning that John Lennon had been shot.
Cosell didn't have any other details so I stayed glued to my t.v.

Had to revise my article on Lennon's Double Fantasy which was scheduled to
run the  within a couple of days. By the way the Beatles Anthology book just
came out as well as a new version of the Rolling Stone book Lennon Remembers.

What I remember most clearly after that is the media's insensitivity to both
Yoko and the surviving Beatles.



Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:20:14 -0400
From: Andrew Boyle <>
Subject: School Terms
Message-ID: <v04210100b603710d8128@[]>

Hello again,

Like a good little Hiller, I was given a gift certificate to Amazon
and quickly ordered my Chalkhills and Children and Song Stories
(still on order, of course) and the Punk Diaries (still to read and
listen-nobody ever told me there were CDs with them!).

Great book.

The purpose of this post, however, is a question about some English
terms for school levels. Though I consider myself an Anglophile, I
have never heard of the terms "Forth Form" and "O Level exams"

We have K-12 and college and SATs to get into college. How do these
relate over the pond?

Feel free to email of post, though someone else in the States might
enjoy the knowledge as well.


Andrew Boyle
Orlando, FL

"A BUMBLE-ling Buzz Lightyear was aided by Ranger NOVA to defeat the
evil Zurg."


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:36:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brown <>
Subject: Son of Spam (I am)
Message-ID: <>

My favorite Caledonian, Jayne, hath suggested:

<<In celebration of Darlin' Deb's hard work in winning all that spam & to
celebrate Mummer Day can I suggest a few party foods.

How about some Spamish Rice, Spambled Eggs or even Eggy Cheese
Spamwich Sandwich.>>

Spot on, mon petit!  Mummer Day + spam.. the perfect marriage of art and
commerce.. A whole spamtastic theme!..  and since we will need some sort of
media coverage to get this Mummer day project off the ground, I suggest we
ask Spam Donaldson to drop in and cover the festivities.. oh, and a
sprinkling of celebs at the gathering wouldn't hurt the cause..  How about
Jean-Claude Van Spamme? ..Spam Elliot?  ..Spamela Anderson(Lee)?

My first smile of the day, care of Jayne's pearl:

<<(and yes I have been known to be just a bit economical with reality from
time to time)>>

Jayne, you really *are* The Queen <G>

Hugs and kisses!

Debora Brown


Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:00:20 -0400
From: "Benjamin A. Gott" <>
Subject: Weird XTC sighting...
Message-ID: <>


So, I strolled into Applebee's (your friendly neighborhood chain restaurant)
for a cheap bite to eat last night, and what song did I hear playing over
the P.A. system but "Making Plans for Nigel"!  Isn't that *weird*?  Yeah.  I
thought so, too.

I must add my tuppence in praise of the new Sugarplastic album.  "Dunn the
Worm" is probably (definitely?) the best song that Ben has ever written.
"Talk Back" is fantastic, too.

Can anyone give me a condensed list of Prefab Sprout dos and don'ts?  I just
ordered "From Langley Park to Memphis" on the strength of "Cars and Girls"
and "The King of Rock 'n' Roll"...Where to from there?  (Remember, I don't
give a shit about Radiohead-esque experimentation...If I want strange,
goddammit,  I'll look for strange.  All I care about is these days melody,
baby!  And jangly guitars, and pumpin' synths, and all that stuff...)


        Benjamin Gott . Bowdoin College . Brunswick, ME 04011
AIM: Plan4Nigel .                     .
   You can feel it all over / You can feel it all over, people...


Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:08:50 -0800
From: William Loring <>
Subject: **Crimson ticket for sale**
Message-ID: <>

For Sale: 1 ticket to see King Crimson

Where: Park West Theatre in Chicago

When: Wednesday, November 1st, 2000 7:30pm

How much: $35.00

I really want to go to this show, but must take a business trip at that
time. If you're interested, please e-mail me, and we'll work out the


William Loring


Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:24:05 EDT
From: "Paul C" <>
Subject: Wonderousful Site!
Message-ID: <>


I've recently visited your site and I'd like to say that it's a wonderful
resource. I've been a XTC fan since 1986 and the information on it is very
nicely displayed.

Question: The RS reporter in one of the articles you have says that 25 songs
were presented to Rundgren for Skylarking, and that he picked the 14 or 15
softest of them. Do you have any idea what happened to the other ones? I
know a couple are on Rag Bone, but what about the rest? Do you have any idea
where I can find these songs??

ANy info would help! Thanks!



Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:01:16 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Subject: Cover Me
Message-ID: <>

Dear Chalkers,

And now for something completely different:

> Honkin' smart Harrison Sherwood <> ponied(pony-d?)
> up, re: Cure fans' assembly of covers of all 431 songs the Cure ever
> recorded:
mmm... this really calls for a clever snide regarding the relative
ease of covering the Cure catalog as opposed to XTC's but i'll leave
that to others...

> > So: Who up for, it, gang? Every single XTC song ever done--gotta be
> > a piece of cake, right?
just hold y'r ponies there, Doc !
ain't no such thing as a piece of cake here in Beatown

> Now *this* is a GREAT idea. I'll bat clean-up.

Euh... but isn't it a bit silly and utterly pointless to repeat their
(both XTC and the Cure fans) performance? Wouldn't it be a better
idea if we all contributed something (a song, a poem, any work of
art) inspired by and / or in return for their songs?

Let's take all the "official" XTC originals, divvy them up between us
all and get those creative glands working!  perhaps we can really
surprise our Heroes with something personal and original instead of
embarrassing them and ourselves with second-hand interpretations.
Just a thought... any takers?

PS: made myself a Tshirt this afternoon that sez:

  H A P P Y
(in BIG print)

plus "with the new XTC album 'Wasp Star'" in fine grey print
underneath. Am i sad or what? Your answer on a postcard to the
following address:

Mark Strijbos


Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:01:16 +0200
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Subject: Next!
Message-ID: <>

Dear Chalkers,

Somebody wanted us to know that

> The new Radiohead album is really rather special you know, especially
> the last track which is probably the most gorgeous thing ever.

no it isn't, not even by a long shot. wanna know why?

Keeping the faith,

Mark S.

Mark Strijbos


Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:31:49 +0000
From: The Worrier Queen <>
Subject: Crime and punishment
Message-ID: <>

When I read that Mark Chapman's request for parole was turned down my
reaction was "Thank god."

I want him to be put away for a very long time.  You see I think that
having to live with what he's done is a much harder punishment than
'legally' killing him.

My "the day John died" is very simple.

I was fourteen years old and John Lennon meant the Beatles, Give Peace
a Chance & that song they played every Christmas.

I had gone down with a virus or 'flu type thing and needed a lot of
looking after, so I was taken into my parents room for the night.  My
Dad got up at 5:30 every morning and he had a clock radio to wake him.
The news was on every half hour, so when the clock started up the
first thing I heard was that Lennon had been shot and was dead.

I'd had a bad night, coughing and feverish, so I thought it was
something I'd dreamt, but every half hour there it was again.

Hard to believe he would be 60 now.

Jayne the Melancholy Worrier Queen

He Toi Whakairo He Mana Tangata
Where there is artistic excellence, there is human dignity.
Maori saying


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