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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 27

               Wednesday, 16 February 2000

Today's Topics:

                   re red dwarf/swindon
                       strange folk
                   Chalkhills / Freaks
                    Re: Chalkhills #5
                        Green Man
           Traveling to Toronto (a little XTC)
                       Colin's muse
                        Kate Bush
                      contest entry
                   Little Express news
                Bodysnatching Colin's Muse
                     I can't bone her
  Sorry folks, the show's over, the monkey's dead......
                    What's the Budget?
                 Yer Left (or Right) Knee
                   XTC Listening Party
                      Near Sighting
              they're missing the inter-play
                       Franco Turra
                        XTC is #33


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Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:24:06 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: re red dwarf/swindon

a special thank you goes out to andrew hawkes for the heads up on the red
dwarf episode with the swindon reference. i just saw that particluar
episode not 10 minutes ago and it was really funny.

your description of the episode was spot on, although i was wondering when
the reference was going to surface, not realizing it would be the last line
spoken. i thought i had missed it...

thanks again, andrew.

btw: the actress who plays kochanski? what a babe! schwing!
ah, sorry 'bout that... i lost me 'ead...

xtc content: i can't wait any longer for apple venus volume 2! c'mon andy
and colin, please hurry it up, will you?

 peace & xtc,



Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:49:26 +1100
From: Sebastien Maury 02 9950 3315 <>
Subject: strange folk
Message-id: <E271IIA2K0H6*/R=A1/R=ABCNET/U=MAURYS6G/@MHS>

Hi Phil,
Nice list, and fascinating to read.
I believe Michel Polnareff was a cross-dressing French "folk" (for
want of a better word) singer of the 70s (& 60s?). The music is from
that Aznavour/Barbara (*not* the nosy one)/Sinatra melange of croony
chanson folk crossover. Clear as mud? My parents used to have a garish
record of his stuff a while ago, so I must check out this tribute
album. Sounds wild!


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:49:24 EST
Subject: Chalkhills / Freaks


I didn't see the "Freaks & Geeks" episode but reading all the
descriptions of it got me thinking...

I wonder if there is an e-mail address that we could all write to the
network (is it NBC?) with letters of support for their song selection
during this show.  Perhaps congratulating the person(s) who thought of
putting "No Language In Our Lungs" into this show.....blah blah blah.

Why?  Because they deserve it (and it might happen again).

I will look for something and encourage fellow chalkers to do the same.

~~Jim "waiting for AV2, demo-less, and proud of it" White


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:24:09 +0000
From: Brian <>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills #5


Eddie St. Martin wrote:

> I wanna read a post by Sir John Relph
  Who runs this Chalkhills list all by himselph,

  I gotta read the one by David Oh,
  He had some trouble spelling once,U no,

  And then onto the one by Miss Fanton,
  Who's usually ravin' while she's rantin'

  I'll then take in a post by "winky fish",
  He served us Turkey Pluto on our dish

  Next peruse the one by young Ben Gott,
  Who likes this XTC band quite a lott,<

I haven't made enough noise around here to get included in such tip o'
the hat lyric prose...
Shame on me! :-)

But if we're gonna parody "Mambo #5" XTC-wise, shouldn't we start out
like this?

"One, two, three-four-five
Senses working overtime so c'mon let's ride..."

-Brian Matthews


Message-ID: <000901bf73ee$112f81c0$>
From: "J Bogner" <>
Subject: Green Man
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:41:31 -0500

Hello all . . .

In Chalkhills Digest #6-26 :
Steve Pitts said:

>In fact, if I ask any of them, including the three year old, what
>they'd like to listen to the answer is most likely to be 'the green
>man' as all other possibilities put together.

The same goes for my two daughters (ages 7 an 9). "The Green Man" is a big
In fact, they know all the words and love to sing-a-long. If this song is
that catchy and memorable to children (and to most of my adult friends as
well) - why didn't TVT capitalize on the primal 'hook factor' and push the
hell out of it  ?
Oh yeah, don't even get me started the aborted video.

Andy B.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:52:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Molly Fanton <>
Subject: Traveling to Toronto (a little XTC)

Next Friday, I'm planning on going to Toronto for the very first time
by myself.  I'm trying to find out what to do.  I know I want to do
some shopping.  I'm staying at a hotel in downtown Toronto in the
theater district.  So do you have any suggestions on what to do?
Also, do you think they would have any different XTC CDs in Canada.
What I mean were there any XTC albums that were only released in
Canada and not the US?


Molly's Pages


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:27:55 -0500
From: Eric Loehr <>
Subject: Colin's muse

In Chalkhills Digest #6-26, John Boudreau said:

> How many of Colin's tunes will appear on Vol. 2 ?  As long as he is content
>to contribute a tune or two to future projects we have no reason to worry
>about the the boys splitting up methinks .
>I worry ever so slightly that IF I am right and Colin has lost his muse ,
>will that cause him to eventually lose interest in working with Andy
>in the future ?

Hmm, an interesting theory;  I guess I assumed it was more a case of Andy
being the dominant (use as many senses of the word as you like) songwriter
and Colin not being able to get more than a tune or two on each album
because Andy had so many more good ones which *he* wanted on the album.
More a case of Andy stifling Colin's muse rather than him (Colin) having
lost it.   Just a theory....

Davidoh later said:

>so, if there are any newbies (male *and* female) out there who own musical
>instruments and want to be included....

Are we talking having both male *and* female body parts or parts of
personalities, or what?  Oh. You meant *or*. Never mind.  ;-}}

Eric, who is not a newbie, and isn't male *and* female, but who has his
mother's hair and his father's personality, and  promises to give them back
really, really soon.


Message-ID: <000301bf7a4c$5e1e2400$92ef31d4@e.e>
From: "John  Bartlett" <>
Subject: NLIOL
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:39:05 -0000

David Oh said :-

""no language in our lungs". this, for me, is the centre-piece of the album
and one of andy's finest moments as a songwriter. i really cannot express
properly the impression that this song left on me when i first heard it; it
was an instant classic. "

I believe Harrison Sherwood dissected this song rather well about a year
ago... I have to agree with Davids' sentiments. I've been following XTC for
21 years now, and IMHO, this is still the best thing they've done.
However, for all the fine lyrical cleverness, Chambers makes this track for
me. Next time you listen,check the power of the drums.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:19:55 -0700
From: Mark Newberg <>
Organization: @Home Network
Subject: Kate Bush

Hey all!

Have you ever dusted off an old favorite cd of yours and been reminded
that it was once your favorite. As I type 'Hounds Of Love' is in the
old player. I just love the drums in 'Running Up That Hill'.

Which brings up my question: Has XTC ever recorded with any other big
named artist or used anyone as backup vocals?

I do not own every XTC disc and so I don't know. Please do not berate
me for being ignorant.

Carpe diem,

Mark Newberg
If I could I'd make a deal with God
and I'd get him to swap our places.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:43:04 EST
Subject: contest entry

gee... I sent this the other day,but it never showed up on chalkhills. it is again, I hope it doesn't show up twice,as once is far more
than enough.

my contest entry

 I knew a fish who could TUNA BASS guitar,
 while PERCHed on one fin.
 He worked for SCALE, without FLOUNDERing.

My take on Colins recent output... It seems, at least while reading Song
Stories, that he basically didn't write songs while THE STRIKE was ongoing.
It isn't that he couldn't, just that he didn't.

  To me , Andy writes songs because he can't help himself, it is just too
much an integral part of him.

   Colin, on the other hand seems to write them when he needs to.To some
extent , at least. For instance, I think he also said in the book that he
only had one song laying around for 25 o'clock, as he wasn't expecting to be
doing any recording anytime soon. just some thoughts...

                                                       eddie st.martin


Message-id: <>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:22:39 -0500
Subject: Little Express news
From: (Joe Jarrett)

For all of you who subscribe to the Little Express: I was talking to Peter
Dix two nights ago and he told me he is in the process of sending out the
last issue of the LE. After 18 years he's packing it in. He regrets having
to take this step but after lengthy discussions with his partner (June,
his wife), they decided they have no other alternative.

When they first started they were the only source of inside XTC news. But
with the advent of the Internet and all the websites about the band, they
know they cannot compete. The Internet is so fast that by the time they
talk to the band, get the news, write it, publish it and send it out, they
are months out of date. Now much of the news about XTC is released by Andy
through friends who then post it to Chalkhills. In addition with the loss
of Dave Gregory the Little Express lost their most reliable source of info
and pictures. Dave used to make sure the Peter was kept informed and
supplied with candid shots. So sadly the LE is going to die. It will just
be an important historical footnote to the band's career. For those of us
who have all or most of the issues, they will remain as accurate documents
of the band's history.

Andy, Colin and Dave could not have had more dedicated and loyal
supporters if they hand picked them. From the day that Peter and June
approached the band backstage after a concert at Massey Hall in Toronto in
1980, they have continually protected, defended, supported and promoted
the band for eighteen years. They are both very shy, unassuming people
with a passion for XTC. They refuse to blow their own horn. They have
thoroughly enjoyed the years they put in as they had the opportunity to
meet the band on many occasions, and other luminaries connected to the
group. But the part they enjoyed the most was the connection they felt
with the fans they made contact with through the mail and by phone.

I for one would like to express publicly my sincere gratitude to Peter and
June for their years of unselfish work. You can only imagine the thousands
of hours they put into their magazine: interviewing, writing, publishing,
compiling, and writing individual letters to anyone who took the time to
write to them. And all this while working regular jobs and raising three
children. Remember before eBay there was the LE Classifieds, they only way
to find like minded fans. It is through Peter and June that I first got
information, addresses for other collectors, and made many valuable
connections to other XTC fans. Don't forget that Peter and June organized
and ran the very successful Canadian edition of the XTC Music and Friends
Convention in Barrie. They were also the people who released Jules Verne
Sketchbook, Windowbox and The Bull With The Golden Guts.

I hope this doesn't sound too much like a lecture. But I couldn't let the
demise of the Little Express and recognition of all the effort put forth
by Peter and June go unheralded. It was one of the finest fanzines ever
written about any band. If any of you feel so inclined you can still reach
them the usual way. The post office box number will remain active for the
foreseeable future.

I think they deserve a loud resounding round of applause for all their
work. Thank you Peter and June for a job incredibly well done!!


Message-ID: <81CC73FC2FACD311A2D200508B8B88AA07F3EE@KURION_EXCH>
From: Jill Oleson <>
Subject: Bodysnatching Colin's Muse
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:33:14 -0600

Cajun Sushijohn wrote that he thought Colin's muse
had taken a hike since the release of "Nonsvch."
I'd counter, however, with the notion that Colin has been
bodysnatched by none other than Mr. Anthony Newley.

In listening and reading to Andy's descriptions of AV1
around the time of the album's release, he repeatedly made
the comment that much of their new music was influenced
by "show tunes."  To me, Colin's contributions to AV1 sound
the most like show tunes.  In fact, they sound to me as if
they should be part of a stage production featuring the unique
vocal interpretations of Mr. Anthony Newley.

Now all I can think of is that for some people, their muse looks
like Sharon Stone, but for Colin, it's Anthony Newley...hmmm...
watch the old "Dr. Doolittle" movie and you'll hear for yourself
what I mean.

Jill Oleson
Austin, Texas
[Note:  I've got a new email address.]


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:52:39 EST
Subject: I can't bone her

and I never will


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 00:08:06 EST
Subject: Sorry folks, the show's over, the monkey's dead......

To all the great XTC fans who have made our existance possible....we are
sorry to inform you that the Nigels have disbanded.  Drummer Tommy Joyner
has gone off to tour with Digable Planets, Kieran Mulvaney and Timothy are
planning to tour and are writing the next album for their band, Gabriel's
Horn, and Kevin Cavanaugh has built his film-making empire.  To all those
who have supported us and came to our June 5th, 1999 show, thanks you.


Message-ID: <001401bf7595$05042d80$1597143f@unlpm>
From: "Jamie Lowe" <>
Subject: What's the Budget?
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:39:16 -0600

Greetings Chalkers:

In song stories Neville Farmer wrote on page 282 that AV Vol. 1 was
produced with a "realtively small budget ".  Does anyone know how much
it cost?  Or better still does anyone know the budget for AV Vol. 2?
Please mail me privately if someone can provide an answer(s), thanks.


"Opportunities are often the things you haven't noticed the first time
around"  C. Deneuve


Date: 12 Feb 2000 22:30:20 -0000
Message-ID: <>
From: "Murgatroyd Llewellyn" <>
Subject: Yer Left (or Right) Knee

Starship Sherwood,
may I have your attention for an aeon? An acquaintance of mine, Cato
The Elder Jr. III, recently and unwittingly walked through a
theirsfield in Saigon, Texas. Upon its relatively safe return to the
Mother Trailer it found more than a dozen Cartesian Hunk-A-Delics
lodged between its toes. Now, since you seem to be the detainer of a
wealth of mundane experience, I ask you most disdainfully; should my
acquaintance try to reasonable with them or turn them into a tennis
Thank you darling,
Murgatroyd Llewellyn

XTC content: Bonus track on AVII for the really friendly hangers-on
will be "In A (Or Multiple) Badger(s), With Love (Reprise)". Now prove
your really friendliness, or you won't get the bonus track, for all I
care, Esq.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:55:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Molly Fanton <>
Subject: XTC Listening Party

I was thinking of maybe starting up the listening parties again for
XTC albums.  The only problem is I don't have all of their albums.  I
don't have White Musi or Go2.  I have the rest of their major albums.

I was thinking of having the listening party in Talk City, so
everybody has a chance.  If you're interested in wanting to
participate go to to sign up.  I was thinking
of having the listening party Wednesday nights at 10pm EST.  I won't
start until February 23 though.  The first album will be Drums and
Wires, since I don't have their first two albums.  If you have any
questions, please e-mail me privately.


Molly's Pages


From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 01:26:34 +0100
Subject: Near Sighting
Message-Id: <>

Dear Chalkers,

I'm sorry but i have to be the bearer fo this sad news.

Last week BBC Breakfast News had a feature on the imminent
closure of the Chipping Norton studios where (XTC content!)
Nonsuch was recorded.
The owner was interviewed for a bit and said that the digital age was
forcing him out of business.

I'm sure there must have been some other reasons too but he must
have a point. The proliferation of sampling, sophisticated audio
software and 'heavy' PC's must be eating away at the margins of
lesser known studios all over the world

But i digress... (i know, i should cut down on those funny cigarettes)

Anyway, they also mentioned that the whole studio would go up for
auction. They didn't give any details about it but it's probably not on
eBay :)

Perhaps this is _the_ chance to pick up a unique XTC trophy; i know
i would love to get my sweaty palms on a microphone or two.

yours in xtc,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse


Message-Id: <>
From: "Hiatt, Randy" <>
Subject: they're missing the inter-play
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:07:57 -0800

SushiMan wondered:  I worryever so slightly that IF I am right and Colin
has lost his muse , will thatcause him to eventually lose interest in
working with Andy in the future ?

It may be the result of a "band" drying up... or the effect (or lack of) of
not enough inter-play between the boys.  It's one thing to sit at home and
write tunes and quite another to get together and play them live, between
themselfs at least.

  I think the lack of live play has caused them to go within for inspiration
(not to say there is anything wrong with that), at which point it becomes
pointless to include the other.  Each could hire all the musicians they
wanted to play the parts allready defined in their vision.  Look at Andy's
complete demo capability.  Though Colin adds great bass parts, his initial
influence is not the same as it was when all the boys got together and
rehearsed as a live "band".

I think this is a sad yet logical result of this kind of evolution.  At
least we have 2 great song writers and I'll allways buy whatever they do
together or solo or with others, but I think their "band" greatness was
fuled by their live time together.

My wish is to have them do the reunion thing someday...even if they hire a
handfull or two of backup folks to pull it off, in a small studio with their
closest friends so not to freak out Andy (and DVD'd).

Randy Hiatt
"Remember when you were with the Beatles and you were supposed to be dead?
That was a hoax, right?"
Chris Farley interviewing Paul McCartney on Saturday Night Live


Message-Id: <v04220809b4cfd386204a@[]>
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:12:02 -0600
From: Olof Hellman <>
Subject: Franco Turra

Is that Andy singing italian?  Franco Turra really does have the XTC

- Olof

Olof Hellman
Northwestern University,  Dept. Materials Science & Engineering


Message-ID: <>
From: "Ralph Simpson DeMarco" <>
Subject: XTC is #33
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:50:05 PST

Dear Chalkers:

Ok, it's another list, but our boys are on this one! The weekly New York
City paper, The Village Voice, has just released this year's Pazz & Jop Poll
(no that is not a typo). Out of dozens of music critics and staff writers
they compile the best of the previous year's music. Out of #1161 slots to
place in, XTC Apple Venus Vol. 1 made #33 (And Homespun made #423!). After
being MIA for 7 years and getting no air-play on the radio and no play by
club DJs, I'd say placing #33 is pretty damn good! Here is just the top 40:

1. Moby: Play (V2)
2. Magnetic Fields: 69 Love Songs (Merge)
3. Beck: Midnite Vultures (DGC)
4. Flaming Lips: The Soft Bulletin (Warner Bros.)
5. Tom Waits: Mule Variations (Epitaph)
6. Rage Against the Machine: The Battle of Los Angeles (Epic)
7. Fiona Apple: When the Pawn... (Clean Slate/Epic)
8. Wilco: Summer Teeth (Reprise)
9. Beth Orton: Central Reservation (Arista)
10. Mos Def: Black on Both Sides (Rawkus)
11. Randy Newman: Bad Love (DreamWorks)
12. The Roots: Things Fall Apart (MCA)
13. Macy Gray: On How Life Is (Epic)
14. Nine Inch Nails: The Fragile (Nothing)
15. Handsome Boy Modeling School: So...How's Your Girl? (Tommy Boy)
16. Prince Paul: A Prince Among Thieves (Tommy Boy)
17. Basement Jaxx: Remedy (Astralwerks)
18. Steve Earle and the Del McCoury Band: The Mountain (E Squared)
19. Fountains of Wayne: Utopia Parkway (Atlantic)
20. Me'Shell Ndegeocello: Bitter (Maverick)
21. Mary J. Blige: Mary (MCA)
22. Built To Spill: Keep It Like a Secret (Warner Bros.)
23. Sleater-Kinney: The Hot Rock (Kill Rock Stars)
24. Ol' Dirty Bastard: N***a Please (Elektra)
25. Ibrahim Ferrer: Buena Vista Social Club Presents Ibrahim Ferrer
(Nonesuch/World Circuit)
26. Eminem: The Slim Shady LP (Aftermath/Interscope)
27. Kelly Willis: What I Deserve (Rykodisc)
28. Richard Thompson: Mock Tudor (Capitol)
29. Pavement: Terror Twilight (Matador)
30. TLC: Fanmail (LaFace)
31. Chemical Brothers: Surrender (Astralwerks)
32. Everything but the Girl: Temperamental (Atlantic)
33. XTC: Apple Venus Volume 1 (TVT)
34: Old 97's: Fight Songs (Elektra)
35. Underworld:Beaucoup Fish (V2)
36. John Prine: In Spite of Ourselves (Oh Boy)
37. Robbie Williams: The Ego Has Landed (Capitol)
38. Dr. Dre: Dr. Dre2001 (Aftermath/Interscope)
39. Kid Rock: Devil Without a Cause (Atlantic/Lava)
40. Santana: Supernatural (Arista)


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