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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 268

                Friday, 15 September 2000


                WRNR rolls a nice fat one
                You fill up my nutsack...
Check out
                Belew and Drums and Wires
                      horse spotting
            commercialization of beloved tunes
                        ank wotsit
            Now Let Me Say This About That...
Sad songs could possibly stimulate the lachrymal ducts...
                 Booze, Drugs and Madness
                      Re: Sad Songs
                In Loving Memory of a Name
       Those Pesky Mis-heard Lyrics...& Other Stuff
                       Season Cycle
                    Kraftwerk grammar
                   Sad Songs and Mummer


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:38:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Anthony <>
Subject: WRNR rolls a nice fat one
Message-ID: <>

John Peacock -- sounds to me like a nom-du-post Andy
Partridge would use, but I'll assume there's really a
guy named John Peacock --- writes in Digest 6-266:

P.S. Sad songs - am I right in thinking only one
person has mentioned a Randy Newman song? That man
writes the saddest songs *ever*. Personal sobfests
include Marie, Ghosts, Baltimore, I Think It's Going
To Rain Today. And how about In Germany Before the
War? Not most people's idea of a sad song, but it's

As I read that, what came out of the cute little Bondi
Blue speakers on my iMac? "Rollin'" by Randy Newman.
Sad as all hell, even if you don't have alcoholism in
your family. Which you do, of course.

WRNR-FM in Annapolis, Md., is responsible for rolling
"Rollin'" through my computer. The boys in the control
room are in the second hour of an extended set of
songs about marijuana -- or which might appear to be
about marijuana if you happen to be stoned. The
substance being abused in "Rollin'," for example, is
whiskey, unless I'm missing something.

Before "Rollin'," the boys played "Wake Up." I pulled
out *The Big Express*, read the lyrics, and didn't
find any drug references at all. Again, maybe I'm
missing something. Please advise.

Ohmigod! They're playing a song by Shel Silverstein I
haven't heard since 1978: "The Smokeoff."

And here's "Twigs and Seeds" by Jesse Winchester,
which some would consider an extremely sad song, if
we're still entertaining thoughts on that thread.

"Willin'." Gotta love a song that mentions your home

"Rainy Day Woman (insert some number here)." Isn't the
line "Everybody must get stoned" a prediction that
martyrdom is inevitable instead of a call to
intoxication? Or is Zimmerman trying to have it both
ways? Yes.

Back to Randy Newman for just a second. He won an
Oscar nomination in 1999 for plunking a sad song smack
dab in the middle of the funniest movie of the year:
*Toy Story 2*. And it worked, dagnabbit. Remember
Cowgirl Jessie's lament for the girl who outgrew her?

WRNR has shot its wad, dope-wise, and now is playing
Dave Edmunds, who knew the bride when she used to rock
and roll, and now, Long John Baldry, warning God, men,
and hamsters alike not to lay no boojee-woojee on the
king of rock and roll. Mighty goddamn fine. Thanks to
the Chalkhiller who apprised me of this excellent
station. The URL is:

Ryan "the Hamster from the Ministry" Anthony

An independent Internet content provider


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:49:44 -0400
From: "Todd Bernhardt" <>
Subject: You fill up my nutsack...
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Enterworks, Inc.


Concertgoer Jill E. Anne Oleson asked:
> But Where-0-Where was Chris Vreeland?  Still waxing rhapsodic
> about that Gabriel show in the Eighties?  I was there too and
> felt the lightning that can happen when an artist offers the
> power to the audience and they feel his trust and they return
> it with love and adoration.

Reminds me of the time I saw PG at Merriweather Post Pavilion (north of
DC) on the "So" tour. He did his usual thing during "Lay Your Hands on
Me," and while he was getting passed back toward the stage, he passed
about 10-15 feet away from me (I was about 10 rows back from the stage,
slightly off-center ... yeah, yeah, I know, very little has changed
since then). Things were going swimmingly until, as he passed, I saw a
hand come up from the crowd and grab him very roughly by the neck and
dig in. As you can imagine, Gabriel got a very concerned look on his
face, and immediately reached down and disengaged his neck from the
aggressor's grip, but you've got to wonder how often crazy shit like
that happened during performances of this song. Unfortunately, Jill, it
wasn't all love and adoration, but in a way it makes me respect Gabriel
even more, since he was willing to take the risks involved to reach out
to his fans.

Either that, or he's a fucking lunatic for doing it.

> They were selling five different kinds of CDs at the
> California Guitar Trio's gig tonight.  Three were CGT's,
> including what they called a "bootleg" of one of their
> previous shows (Question: Can a group really "bootleg"
> their own material?  I mean if the group is recording
> it and selling it, how can it be a bootleg?),

Robert Fripp and Co. have started several enterprises meant to cut the
legs out from under King Crimson's bootleggers, whom Fripp despises as
mercenary bloodsuckers. The principle of the King Crimson Collector's
Club and Bootleg TV, according to Fripp, is this:

"Turn a seeming disadvantage to your advantage.
The greater the seeming disadvantage, the greater the possible

This is one of the reasons why I wish Andy and Colin would get moving
with the Fuzzy Warbles set, and why I was particularly disappointed to
hear that they wouldn't be able to use any Virgin-era stuff for the set.
It angers me to no end that companies and individuals are making money
off third-rate and worse bootlegs of demos (the foremost example being
the Extatic releases from Japan, but there are many more, as Chalkhills
shows), with no compensation for the band. Fripp and his label,
Discipline Global Mobile, are taking advantage of the direct-marketing
possibilities of the Internet, and beating the bootleggers at their own
game. Good for him, say I.

And still, more Jill:
> You know, the record companies made a huge mistake:
> They never bothered to build up customer loyalty.  They never
> promoted the names of their companies so you would be
> tempted to buy their entire line of products... they only
> promoted the music they thought they could make the most
> bucks from. Now that musicians are taking sales into their
> own hands, we customers feel no loyalty to the music companies
> at all and certainly no sympathy for those who promoted
> cashflow instead of promoting talent. They shall suffer a
> slow, cruel death for their deeds, I believe. And Napster
> is only a small part of that picture.  I raise a pint in
> toast of such changes.

This mistake may be even more costly when you look at the way the
industry is headed and the fact that many of the labels are starting or
considering "subscription" plans that would allow people to download
music from a label's catalog for a fixed fee. When I first heard of
this, I thought, "How stupid -- why would I restrict myself to buying
music from a particular label's roster of artists?" Jill is right --
there is no brand loyalty. For the most part, the labels' interests have
been completely venal and self-motivated. They haven't looked out for me
or for the artists I admire ... why should I look out for them? Better
to go directly to the source.

Glad to see all the UCB fans coming out on the list. As a former
sufferer of Little Donny Disease (magnimus-obliviophallocytis), it's
warmed the cockles of my heart to see the support gushing from the
fountainhead of fans out there in UCB Land. For those unfamiliar with
the disease, it's a genetic deformity of the nether regions (often
classified by scientists as a malady in the same family of afflictions
as Buster Gonad Syndrome) that can only be cured by repeated, painful
surgical procedures. But it's worth it if you want to ride a bike.

For more info on the disease and the Little Donny Foundation, visit:

Sax swing solo!


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:15:08 EDT
Subject: Check out
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Click here:
 In case y'all havent seen this----- The Moroccan goalkeeper. Thanx to Ten
Feet Tall in Italy


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:07:02 -0500
From: "Jan C. Harris" <>
Subject: Belew and Drums and Wires
Message-ID: <010a01c01ce4$65f74900$a2a6f5d0@janstrigem>

William MeltTheGuns Loring writes:  <<<<Adrian Belew with and
without The Bears: several times in Bloomington, IN.  He used to
often launch his tours in Bloomington, as it was close to home,
and a very receptive crowd. At least, that's what he told us.
Hung out with
him after the shows a couple of times.>>>

Actually, I was told by someone who played bass - working on his
MFA here at I.U., that Belew came here because of the music
school.  (where is home for Belew?)

He did masterclasses, and often recruited from the ranks of the
colleges.  The school and locals thought highly of him, because
he worked with the college kids significantly (and, from what
I've heard, paid better than Maynard Ferguson), gave them a
leg-up to being in the biz.  Not easy to do, when you've
graduated from a world class university, and every symphony or
jazz band, or whatever, only needs 1/10th of your graduating

I don't remember seeing him after 1995 or so.  I think that was
the last time he was here, but I could be wrong.  I might have
missed one in the past couple of years.  Another one of those
things that I keep meaning to catch, "it always comes around,
I'll get it next time."  I hear the painful memories here of
people who had the opportunity to catch XTC and thought the same

On another note - I finally gave Drums and Wires a first listen.
I like the sound and feel of it.  The vocals are *wayyyy* down in
the mix, I can only make out one word in 10.  Of course, of those
words I've heard, it doesn't seem as lyrically significant an
album as other, later albums, so maybe the muffled, fuzzy vocals
serve a purpose.

Some of it reminds me of the Talking Heads.  Interesting melody
works, on guitar and vocals.  Very off beat.

And - what are folks thinking of the "unreleased" Didn't Hurt A

It is kinda sweet, but it sounds very dated to me.  As if I were
listening to a 70's demo, not a 90's (or ots) demo



Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:33:57 +0000
From: The Worrier Queen <>
Subject: horse spotting
Message-ID: <>

Gentle Chalkfolk

can I send you in the direction of this URL
If you like it, please let the artist know.

Also while I'm plugging stuff can I mention "Green Man" by William
Anderson & photos by Clive Hicks.  Worth the money alone for the photos,
which include Green Women as well, some of which show the less benign
side of the Green Man.

Jayne the Worrier Queen

He Toi Whakairo He Mana Tangata
Where there is artistic excellence, there is human dignity.
Maori saying


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:09:09 -0500
From: "Jan C. Harris" <>
Subject: commercialization of beloved tunes
Message-ID: <015c01c01ced$494bb8a0$a2a6f5d0@janstrigem>

WROTE: <<<<But I still can't get over the "jingle" versions of
songs I already know (and enjoy).  <snip> my aural memory is very
persnickety - if a song is commercialized, I begin to feel like
I'm listening to advertisements on my CD player rather than songs
by bands.  Such is my oversensitivity...>>>>>

I think the worst of these for me was the taking of Generixis'
tune "Tonight Tonight" and making it into a Miller Beer

this happened at about the same time I went to the EVIL "We Can't
Dance" concert that scarred me for life.

The Miller Beer commercial just drove it home.  Go for the money,
guys, leave the musical integrity at home - in fact, discard any
members who might have any musical integrity, and just "go for
the gusto...."


Jan"don't need another satellite"Carol


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:22:37 +0000
From: The Worrier Queen <>
Subject: ank wotsit
Message-ID: <>

thank you, thank you to everyone who helped me with the anklung
and the guitar strings, I am pleased to award all you good people
(if you want it) with the Worrier Star.

Wear it with pride.
Jayne the Worrier Queen

He Toi Whakairo He Mana Tangata
Where there is artistic excellence, there is human dignity.
Maori saying


Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:26:40 -0400
From: "Neal Buck" <>
Subject: Now Let Me Say This About That...
Message-ID: <>

Molehills & Children of the Ministry,

Catching up yet again, I'll weigh in on some other threads:

First and foremost, "Wasp Star" -
I love it! I was afraid after AV1, that XTC would not rock anymore. Thank
God I was wrong! However, 20/20, blah, blah, blah... I think WS should've
been released first. Once people knew that XTC were just as good as they
remembered (and with the 7 yr. hiatus buzz), WS would've been more of the
smash it should have been. And then, by releasing AV1, XTC would have the
"Oh, and they branch out & play serious music, too" credentials. Oh well, as
long as the boys (and I) are happy, that's what matters.
Favorite tracks - "Stupidly Happy", "We're All Light", "You and the
Clouds..." Can you tell I need a dose of joy? Too much Korn in the diet, I
Actually, I like 'em all, tho' "Wounded Horse" is my least favorite. I
appreciate it,

Playing in the various stereos -
TR - "One Long Year". Todd doing what he does best, mining various musical
styles - and doing it better than most who only do one. Love his Hawaiin
version of "Bang the Drum All Day", complete w/"Lion Sleeps Tonight"
Doors - "Complete Studio Recordings Box Set". Bought it 'cuz I'm a
completeist w/box sets. I hate "Best of..." ones, I only buy sets that
feature whole albums. I was never particularly into the Doors, but I figured
this was the best way to check 'em out once & for all (I know, I know...
it's just the way I am!). Well, luckily, I've really enjoyed them all so
far. No, Jim Morrison is not God (Hey, I'm a Todd fan - that space is
reserved! ;-}), but his lyrics are more interesting now that I have some
perspective, and the music's great, too! I just know there are Doors fans
out there ready to come out w/ the "Duh!" reply, well hey, it's progress.

Speaking of the Doors, I've got a question - Years and years ago ('74/'75)
WHFS used to play a short "medley" featuring an Alice Cooper snippet ("...
You can turn me off...") and then a song that I thought was by the Doors
that went, "I'm drunk, I'm lonely, I'm horny, I'm cold; Don't you know, life
ain't so easy when you're on your own..." Anybody know anything about this
song? Is it the Doors, or someone who sounded like them? Or was I just
stoned (see last post)?

Sad songs -
I don't know, when a band does nothing but sad/depressing songs (much of the
early Cure, Smiths/Morrissey, Korn, etc.) it's hard for me to pick anything
by them, probably 'cuz they have a numbing effect. A song is often sad to me
when I know that the musician/lyricist is capable of happiness, too. Once
again, I'm a geezer compared to a lot of you, so forgive some moldy
"Talking Old Soldiers"- Elton John
"Parallel Lines"- TR
"For No One"- The Beatles
The whole "Green Thoughts" album - The Smithereens (they probably belong on
the above list, but there were extenuating circumstances - read on...)
OK, here's the other addendum: There are songs that aren't intrinsicly sad,
but because they were associated with a lost love, or other sad occasion, I
feel sad when I hear them. Actually, all the songs above, except the EJ one,
have those attachments as well.

More concerts -
Worst Weather: Grateful Dead, MPP summer '84 (?), I was never a DeadHead,
but a friend gave me a free ticket. I was working at Waldenbooks across the
street from the Pavillion, wearing my shirt & tie, etc. It started raining,
I (of course) got stoned, loosened my tie, rolled up my shirt sleeves & pant
legs, and pretended I was at Woodstock - I hardly saw the band. The only
problem was, that when it was all over at 11pm, I was wet, it was cold, and
I had to walk home. I had pneumonia for about 2 weeks afterwards - thought I
was gonna die!
Worst Supporting Bands: The Cramps, opening for the Police; and Mott (the
bastardization of The Hoople after Ian left), opening for KISS (it was a
3-band show, Styx was the opener. I know I should go to a 12-step program
for this, but I actually liked them at one point.)

You know what? The Mac version of Outlook Express 4.5 doesn't have a spell
check feature - huh!

Hey, I'm feeling more caught up all the time,
The poster formerly known as "New Town Animal",


Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 02:32:21 GMT
From: Jennifer Geese <>
Subject: Sad songs could possibly stimulate the lachrymal ducts...
Message-ID: <>

Hello, Chalkers and Chalkettes!

Sorry if I'm beating a dead thread (or Wounded Horse), but
I'm catching up on my 'Hills and wanted to add my votes for
sad songs.  Without further adieu, here's my list, bearing
in mind that it takes a lot for a song to make me cry, or
even feel sad:

Julie - Merril Bainbridge
He Went to Paris - Jimmy Buffett
Spilled Perfume - Pam Tillis (what can I say, country was
all my parents listened to, and I still like some of it!)
Something to Remember - Madonna
Close Every Door - Andrew Lloyd Weber from Joseph and the
Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat
    Say what you like about ALW - I enjoy his work, and I
get goosebumps every time I hear "Just give me a number
instead of my name.  Forget all about me and let me decay."
Special thanks go out to whoever mentioned "Gethsemane"
from J C Superstar, too.  It doesn't make my list of sad
songs, but it's definitely on my list of most powerful
songs written.
Silent All These Years - Tori Amos

And the #1 sad song on tonight's countdown:

Promise to Try - Madonna.  This was the first song that
ever made me cry, and it still has that effect on me every
time I hear it.

In other news, I want to send big thanks out to everyone
who has recommended artists on the list in the past years.
I've picked up many of the recommendations because of
Chalkhills (Yazbek, Ben Folds Five, The Negro Problem (hate
the name, love Joys and Concerns), and most recently, Aimee
Mann) and have been very pleased.  Next up: Kevin Gilbert.
It sounds like TSOTT is the universally recommended first
album, am I correct?

Finally, I had to share my "I am SOOOO stupid" concert
experience, in the hopes that someone will finally absolve
me.  Shortly after Ben Folds Five released their first
album, they toured, as artists usually do.  I was overjoyed
to find out that they were going to be at the State Theatre
in Detroit, which is only about 2 hours south of where I
live.  So, I rushed right down to my local Ticketmaster
outlet and bought 2 tickets.  Then I set about the more
difficult task of finding someone to attend with me.  To
make a long story short, most of my friends do not share my
musical tastes, the one who does was either unable to go or
didn't want to (I can't remember which) and I chose not to
go because I didn't want to go alone.  I've been kicking
myself ever since.

And, one last thread here (hey!  Bear with me, I only post
about twice a year :)  My goofiest misinterpreted lyric
ever has got to be:

      I shot six holes in my freezer
             -- Jimmy Buffett, Boat Drinks

That's how the lyric goes, no problem.  The problem lies in
the fact that every time I hear it I think of Mr.
Margaritaville himself standing in an industrial sized
freezer *golfing*.  My brother and I were listening one day
and I commented on it.  He looked at me in shock for almost
a full minute then said,  "With a gun, you idiot!"  I love
my brother.

"Get the golf clubs, honey, there's a Little Caesar's down
the road I've been dying to try!"


Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:14:12 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Booze, Drugs and Madness
Message-ID: <l03130300b5e510ac877d@[]>

>Soundtrack for Nightmare Descent Into Booze, Drugs and Madness:
>Most definite winner here:
>Aladdin Sane, David Bowie.

  No, "Heroin," The Velvet Underground. The most eloquent song on the
subject, IMHO, somehow managing to both glorify and repudiate the
experience. For an interesting alternate take on the song, try covers by
Roky Erickson and Maureen Tucker for contrast.

Christopher R. Coolidge

Homepage at


Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:26:48 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <>
Subject: Re: Sad Songs
Message-ID: <l03130301b5e5138532da@[]>

>P.S. Sad songs - am I right in thinking only one person has mentioned a
>Randy Newman song? That man writes the saddest songs *ever*. Personal
>sobfests include Marie, Ghosts, Baltimore, I Think It's Going To Rain
>Today. And how about In Germany Before the War? Not most people's idea of a
>sad song, but it's *devastating*.

  Oh G_d. I forgot about him. All those above are definitely weepers, but
he topped himself on his most recent, Bad Love, with "I Miss You," an
incredibly poignant one in which he actually writes about himself, which he
rarely does, it's apparently about his ex-wife "up there in Idaho" which is
where she moved with his kids after they split up. In the late 80's he
couldn't resist being savage and angry like any typical angry divorced
dad("I Want You To Hurt Like I Do"), but this time he's sad and contrite
and fully realises there's nothing he can do to bring her back, but he
can't help but be brutally honest.("I miss you/I'm sorry, but I do.")

Christopher R. Coolidge

"A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has
10 GREAT laws.  A Good law protects me from you.  Laws against murder,
theft, assault and the like are good laws.  A Poor law attempts to
protect me from myself."  - Unknown


Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:18:44 +0900
From: "John Boudreau" <>
Subject: contest
Message-ID: <000a01c01d8e$5efeeae0$6b5791d2@johnboud>

Konnichiwa Chalksters ,

Feel like having a little fun ... Will reward some unseen face out there  in
the mad world with a present of my choice ( music of course but NOT XTC I am
afraid ) for firstly  , naming the actor or actress who uttered the
following lines in a 1950's movie , and secondly for naming the movie . The
* second * correct answer wins ! Good luck !

>>" To those of you who do not read, attend the theater, listen to
unsponsored radio programs or know anything of the world in which you live,
it is perhaps necessary to introduce myself. My name is Addison DeWitt. My
native habitat is the theater. In it I toil not, neither do I spin. I am a
critic and commentator. I am essential to the theater -- as ants to a
>>picnic, as the boll weevil to a cotton field."



Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:37:07 EDT
Subject: In Loving Memory of a Name
Message-ID: <>

I just wanted to second Tom K (KINGSTUNES)'s mention of this song.  I am
normally not a big fan of XTC's slower/softer stuff, nor am I emamored with a
lot of Colin's stuff, but this tune is severely under-rated.

I find that over time this song gets better and better, regardless of how
simple it may be, and how un-inspired the lyrics seem to be.  And, it fits
nicely into my sad song list.

Finally, where's Molly?

-Tom G.


Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:54:39 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <>
Subject: Those Pesky Mis-heard Lyrics...& Other Stuff
Message-ID: <>


Yes, time for me to contribute to this intermittent

Before I discovered the wonderful world of Chalkhills,
and with the benefit of the incredibly informative
booklet in AV1, I had major difficulty with Easter
Theatre. OK: laugh, cry, point, but the best I could
come up with was... (drum roll)...

Enter Easter and she's dressed in yum yums

Enough, already.

Yeah, Mr Partridge is not at his most articulate in
enunciating the words "yellow yolk".

Catching up on Marriage & Divorce, I completely forgot
to mention Dear Madam Barnum. Shame on me. Who asked?
Joseph Easter, I think.

Innit weird having no petrol? Sadly, my company has
organised car pools so I still have to go to work.
What's more annoying is that I have to get up even
earlier than normal so the guy who gives me a lift can
pick me up and the rest who're on his route. Bum.

But only for a coupla days. Yes, I feel I now need to
issue the obligatory holiday warning, and tell y'all
that I'm outta here for a fortnight. So I won't be
posting (much! I may catch up on the Hill from time to
time) for a while. I'll be introducing certain
denizens of the Southern Hemisphere (or at least the
other tourists in the hotel room next to mine) to the
delights of XTC, and some other bands I like (Midnight
Oil & The Whitlams spring immediately to mind), played
loud late at night. No, not going to Strylyer, but
that other beautiful country, South Africa. Are there
any SA 'Hillers? If so, mail me privately if you're in
Cape Town or surrounds.

Enough for now. At least it started on-topic.

Rory "Hearing the dandelions roar" Wilsher


Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:38:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <>
Subject: Season Cycle
Message-ID: <>


In 6-253, Smudge Boy asked:

"In fact, this has long been a bug-bear of mine -
surely there's enough "seasonal/pastoral" related
stuff by the boys to make a cracking "Best Of" type CD
entitled something like "Seasons' Cycle"."

Well, you know me (vaguely), I can't resist a
challenge like that. Seems to me that XTC didn't
really get into this kind of stuff until ES at the
earliest c if anyone can contribute earlier stuff, go
ahead! Some of these are REALLY tenuous connections!
Where I've felt it necessary to explain, I've done so.
Actually, that last sentence is entirely redundant, so
here goes attempt numero uno:

Pastoral (but not seasonal-specific)

Yacht Dance (OK, not actually pastoral, more nautical.
But the theme and melody are precursors of Mummer,
IMHO. I think this song could easily have fitted on
Down In The Cockpit
Love On A Farmboy's Wages
Deliver Us From The Elements
Season Cycle
Earn Enough For Us
Green Man


Jump ((really bad) pun- no other connection!)
River Of Orchids
Ballet For A Rainy Day
The Ballad Of Peter Pumpkinhead (Jesus/Easter theme)
I'd Like That
Easter Theatre
Season Cycle


Melt The Guns (Well, it gets hot in summer. Everywhere
except UK! ;-))
It's Nearly Africa (A continent renowned for hot
Me and The Wind
Shake You Donkey Up (reminds me of A Midsummer Night's
Summer's Cauldron
Humble Daisy
Fruit Nut
Season Cycle (hmmm...)


All You Pretty Girls (dunno why. I always associate
bad North Sea conditions with autumn)
Seagulls Screaming Kiss Her Kiss Her
The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul (v. autumnal
Sacrificial Bonfire (autumn is bonfire season)
Wrapped In Grey (autumn mists)
Harvest Festival
Season Cycle (you can see where I'm going with


Washaway (this could only be set in winter: steaming
up windows, boiling cabbage)
I Remember The Sun (for all you Scandinavians!)
The Ship Trapped In the Ice
Season Cycle (Duh!)

Rory "Can't find the salt and pepper" Wilsher


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:12:59 +0200
Subject: Kraftwerk grammar
Message-ID: <0006800030975393000002L032*@MHS>

Hi Hillers,

I actually read a bit of #267 (wow!) and found this in an exchange between
D.V. and John:

>You realise, of course, that it's "Fahren, fahren, fahren auf den Autobahn"
>or grammatically correct equivalent ("Drive, drive, drive on the

The grammatically correct equivalent would be:
Fahren, fahren, fahren auf *der* Autobahn.

"Den" is accusative for masculine nouns, "der" is *dative* for *feminine*
nouns (such as Autobahn).

Here in Germany, people who are so nit-picky about things like this are
called "Korinthenkacker" (look it up with the Babel Fish, maybe it'll come
up with a good translation...).  So, with that:

Korinthenkackerische Gruesse,

- Jeff


Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:04:19 +0000
Subject: Sad Songs and Mummer
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My nomination for Sad Songs would probably go to Soldier's Things by Tom
Waits, mind you I could probably add a dozen more by the same man. Somehow
he manages to get away with stuff that would sonud mawkish and sentimental
if done by anyone else.

As for Mummer, the talk recently prompted me to give this one another
listen just last night. What a treat it was, I had forgotten how fab this
album is. I remember buying on its day of release way back in 1983 and
feeling a little Disappointed with it. I suppose it was something of an
anti-climax after ES. Anyway, back to the plot, I listened to both albums
back to back and was surprised to find myself enjoying Mummer far more than
ES. It really does seem that, with the passage of time, ES would have
benefitted from being a single album. As for Mummer, highlights for me are
Beating of Hearts, Love on a Farmboy's Wages, Great Fire, Human Alchemy
(spooky, atmospheric and disturbing in equal parts), Ladybird, In Loving
Memory of a Name (love the drum fill towards the end) and Funk Pop a Roll.
In fact, it seems like most of the album. I think this one is due for a bit
of a run in my CD player.




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